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Are there any other Empire Store virgins here? Does anybody remember his or her first time at the store? Was it everything that you imagined it would be?
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Re: I've never been to the Empire Store
Sun, November 2, 2008 - 3:53 PMi have never been thru Empire. I come to BM from the north.
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Re: I've never been to the Empire Store
Sun, November 2, 2008 - 4:22 PMof course i have never been to the empire store, i am radically self reliant..... -
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Re: I've never been to the Empire Store
Sun, November 2, 2008 - 5:07 PMwhich means i go to wal-mart
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Re: I've never been to the Empire Store
Sun, November 2, 2008 - 5:08 PMOne Winter, when we had a DPW Ranch (2002), I lived for Jackie's chili at the Empire store.
Once a week.
Yep.
That place was special to me in a time and place in life.
KK
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Re: I've never been to the Empire Store
Sun, November 2, 2008 - 9:14 PM>Are there any other Empire Store virgins here? Does anybody remember his or her first time at the store? Was it everything that you imagined it would be? <
Hey Josey,
Do YOU remember the first time you found out that Green Tortoise wasn't about kissing your enchanted little ass just because you paid the same fare as everyone else for a ride to the playa.
And how you screamed like a school girl when you were reminded that just because you paid your money it didn't necessarily get you out of sharing in the collective responsibilities of going with a group.
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Re: I've never been to the Empire Store
Sun, November 2, 2008 - 10:15 PM> Hey Josey,
> Do YOU remember the first time you found out that Green
> Tortoise wasn't about kissing your enchanted little ass just
> because you paid the same fare as everyone else for a
> ride to the playa.
Back for another round, Badger? Got tired of trolling the PETA tribe?
As usual, your grasp on the facts is weak, probably deliberately so. For those who are wondering what on earth our friend Ray Russ is babbling about, here is a full account of the trip he is speaking of ... either url will do ...
www.freewebs.com/josephdun...toise.html
web.newsguy.com/commonsens...rtoise.html
and here's a rebuttal to some of the rationalizations offered by somebody who would probably like to be Badger's friend
www.geocities.com/commonsen...toise.html
Short form: I have a condition, which seems to be relatively common among Jewish populations, called "Celiac Disease" aka Gluten Intolerance. In advance, I contacted the Green Tortoise, explained my circumstances, and asked them if they could accommodate this condition and provide me with meals that would not make me violently ill. They said they could and made a commitment to do so.
They got my money, and then, once I got there, I found out that they had lied. They did not live up to their commitments; practically everything served was breaded or floured in some way. I got to do a lot of fasting, for about a week. In principle, since this was breach of contract, I could have sued them and probably would have succeeded in collecting, but instead I opted to simply publish my side of the story and warn others with Celiac to not do business with the Green Tortoise. This is known as "writing a consumer report"; simply tell what happened and let others make an informed decision as to whether or not they wish to do business with the firm in question.
If Badger really seriously believes that expecting people to live up to their commitments constitutes a demand that they "kiss one's enchanted little ass", then at best the boy has some serious growing up to do, if not a crying need for psychoactive medication. Which, considering the context in which this exchange is occuring, would have to be viewed as being a real possibility. How on earth does one look at a thread about the grocery store in Empire, and see justification for dredging up a meritless complaint about a truthfully written consumer report and travelogue written ... is it seven years ago, yet?
How does one seriously argue that this is anything other than harassment for its own sake? Aside from noting that it is also libel and defamation of character, etc. etc. ...yawn ... and that this isn't the first time he's tried this with me on Tribe, or that I'm certainly not the only person with whom he's played games of this nature, game which he never plays with any particular subtlety. Since it is now 11:55 in the morning my time, and I really have better things to do with my time than knock heads with this idiot, I'll simply cut and paste part of my response from the last time Badger decided to do a little cyberstalking.
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Badger writes:
> Anyone here not familiar with the OP need only Google
> this guy to see how obsessive someone can get
> about any/everything.
Really? Let's take a look at obsession, shall we? Like the time you harassed a total stranger on a forum which I had avoided for four years at that point (more like six, now), because you couldn't accept the fact that I hadn't returned
eplaya.burningman.com/viewtopic.php
continuing a fight over causes that you and your little friends had latched onto that were stupid beyond belief. Somebody who was truly obsessive would probably have bothered to flesh some of this out at some point since 2002, and if need be, I have the downloaded material to do so, but here's a little taste:
commonsense.artshost.com/Burni...g.html
Lurking out of what can only be termed "perverse curiosity" over the years, I listened in as some of your friends started complaining about how they were being driven off by the "trolls" now inhabiting the current ePlaya, ending the grand old days of that forum, but the simple sad reality is that under any sane definition, you and your friends were trolls, and the grand old days have seriously benefitted in popular memory from being as well obscured as they have been. Seriously, how do you justify behavior like this
www.geocities.com/antistoic...h-joy.html
in which somebody ended up being rewarded for his would be efforts to raise consciousness about Burning Man in Chicago with death threats because he didn't fall for a prank? Or here, where, having found that you had run low on nontrolls to bother, you turned on one of your old friends (Kinetic) and decided to fill your empty hours by terrorising him with a shot of his home from orbit? Unsuccessfully, by the way.
eplaya.burningman.com/viewtopic.php
And now that you find me in a place where I like those I've met and the feeling seems to be mutual, you feel you have to put a halt to that. Not even because I disagreed with you six years ago, but because six years ago, as some of your fellow trolls were playing the ever popular sock puppet accusation game, I was suspected of being somebody who had disagreed with you. Typical nonissue: I was accused of being somebody who dared to suggest that "just ask them to turn it down" would not be an adequate solution to the problem of loud sound camps. How's that been working out for you?
I'm guessing that your would-be hate campaign will prove to be about as successful as was your attempt to bully a cancer patient on ePlaya, but if not, so be it. You're not just a creep, you're one of the most blatantly obvious creeps I've ever encountered online or off, the sort of person who once made the Net a place where people felt the need to adopt fake identities for the purposes of safety and who, if the Net hadn't been invented, would probably while away his time through the placing of obscene phone calls. If somebody wants to join in on the harassment in order to make nice with somebody who acts as you have been acting for years, you're welcome to him, or her.
Thanks for dropping by.
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Oh, and while we're at it, Badger writes
> Google 'Joseph Dunphy' and understand the meaning
> behind the line "It must suck being you."
Why not? Let's do that
www.google.com/search
and see what comes up.
1. Monday Never Comes - a personal blog, as much about Centrist politics as anything
joseph-dunphy.blogspot.com/
2. Joseph Dunphy's Cowboy Wannabee Site - mainly Southwestern photography
www.freewebs.com/josephdunphy/
3. A flickr photostream
www.flickr.com/photos/joseph_dunphy/
4. A flickr profile
www.flickr.com/people/joseph_dunphy/
5. A personal homepage ring
r.webring.com/hub
6. Another personal homepage, mostly slightly off-color fiction
users.ntsource.com/~tractatus/
7. My homepage update list
tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/J..._Dunphy/
8. My profile on MyBlogLog
www.mybloglog.com/buzz/memb...ph_Dunphy/
9. My Blogger Profile
www.blogger.com/profile/12...98718044156
10. A professional information page about yet another person named Joseph Dunphy. I think he's a financial analyst of some sort.
ideas.repec.org/e/pdu84.html
What we find is that I like to blog, cook and snap g-rated photographs, and that there are a bunch of different people named "Joseph Dunphy". My, how shocking. If you dig deeper, you'll eventually come across a page written by one of Badger's friends in which the guy takes a few paragraphs to say "I don't like him", while conveniently leaving out any specifics that he could be pinned down on, and somebody else who wishes to keep the word alive that back in the 1990s, I dared to question some of the philosophical assumptions of popular Christianity. Me and a few hundred million of my closest friends at this point, but why obsess on reality?
Badger certainly never will. So, that is what that is about. Somebody tosses out the line "google this guy's name", and counts on knee jerk reactions to that line from people who won't actually do the search. It's an insane line in general, because any idiot can write a page saying anything, and usually will - so what would unfavorable listings prove, other than the fact that somebody was being attacked - but in my case, you barely even get that. One gets photomanipulation, site reviews, the occasional recipe, semi-snarky blog responses like this one
www.longtail.com/the_long_...t-80014181
and remarkably little drama, for the excellent reason that when I see people start to act like idiots, I've learned to shrug and walk off. But our good friend Badger wants to bluff and see who's going to fall for it. It'll be interesting to see if anybody does.
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Re: I've never been to the Empire Store
Sun, November 2, 2008 - 10:42 PM<drool>
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Re: I've never been to the Empire Store
Sun, November 2, 2008 - 10:53 PM> <drool>
> <slobber>
> <snore>
Considering your role in some of the aforementioned drama, Mr.Stahl, I'm not surprised that you'd want to feel that way about it but again, we have you and your friend Raymond spamming an unrelated thread to revive seven year old arguments in which you and your friends were blatantly in the wrong.
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Re: I've never been to the Empire Store
Mon, November 3, 2008 - 8:36 AM
Joseph, I guess it was just a matter of time before you came slithering back here....
stalker, n.
Add: [3.] b. A person who pursues another, esp. as part of an investigation or with criminal intent; spec. one who follows or harasses someone (often a public figure) with whom he or she has become obsessed. -
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Re: I've never been to the Empire Store
Mon, November 3, 2008 - 9:01 AMoh, *that* Joseph.
jeezus dude, you're showing up here again? Don't you know enough to be humiliated?
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Re: I've never been to the Empire Store
Mon, November 3, 2008 - 4:21 PM> Joseph, I guess it was just a matter of time before
> you came slithering back here
Actually, Badger, I've been on Tribe for a little under a year, now, and spent a fair portion of that time on this group, often on threads you yourself have been frequenting, so when I first read that "slithering back" comment, my first thought was "where has he been". I've never left Tribe, so how could I come back to it? But obviously, I didn't understand your depth of feeling:
> spec. one who follows or harasses someone
> (often a public figure) with whom he or she has
> become obsessed.
In other words, aside from the "public figure" part of that, somebody who acts as you've been acting lately, and really, for the last few years, as it turns out, judging from how desperate you were to find me on ePlaya two years ago. How could I not see? I've been such a cad. You've been the woman scorned. It explains everything.
But justifies nothing.
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Re: I've never been to the Empire Store
Tue, November 4, 2008 - 7:08 AMSooooo, how bout those Red Wings?
Sail Man
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Re: I've never been to the Empire Store
Tue, November 4, 2008 - 8:13 AM<<...spamming an unrelated thread to revive seven year old arguments in which you and your friends were blatantly in the wrong. >>
Man, I can tell that, once again, I missed some good shit, back in the old days...
Yep...tribe....burningman....everything was better before my time....
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Re: I've never been to the Empire Store
Tue, November 4, 2008 - 8:14 AM...even the empire store...all I got there was a stolen gas cap!
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Re: I've never been to the Empire Store
Tue, November 4, 2008 - 9:01 AMwe'll be expecting a revisitation of that incident in a few years, Neon. -
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Re: I've never been to the Empire Store
Tue, November 4, 2008 - 10:08 AMGood. then everyone will see how much better it is NOW!
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Re: I've never been to the Empire Store
Tue, November 4, 2008 - 12:26 PM1990
Got a few cans of chili beans, a 12 pack of generic beer, toilet paper and ammunition for a .38 -
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Re: I've never been to the Empire Store
Tue, November 4, 2008 - 1:03 PM> Got a few cans of chili beans
Have any left? Bob could use a snack.
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Re: I've never been to the Empire Store
Tue, November 4, 2008 - 3:10 PMMy first visit to the Empire Store was in 2007, monday afternoon post event. I bought a coke and a cheeseburger from the booth outside the store, and after eating the aforementioned cheeseburger in about three bites I went into the store to have a look around and buy a pack of smokes. I'd run out in line for Exodus and some hippie lady gave me a couple of American Spirits. I liked them so I bought a pack in the Empire Store that day, and I've smoked them ever since. Everyone was friendly and nice, even though there were a couple locals outside who looked like they would have cheerfully shot us all and left our bodies in the desert for the coyotes to clean up, given half a chance.
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