BM2010

topic posted Tue, November 3, 2009 - 11:04 AM by  Bob Noxious
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never to early to get it started.

If you hear somebody yell "DUCK" at burning man next year...


for goodness sake, GET DOWN!
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Bob Noxious
Nevada
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  • Re: BM2010

    Tue, November 3, 2009 - 2:49 PM
    GOOSE!
    • Re: BM2010

      Thu, November 5, 2009 - 2:58 AM
      has any body seen my unicorn around here!?
      • Re: BM2010

        Thu, November 5, 2009 - 8:24 AM
        Is that YOUR unicorn that keeps pokeing me in the butt?
        • Re: BM2010

          Thu, November 5, 2009 - 1:30 PM
          Nah, it's Rhino's very own horn. I hear all the other Rhino's refer to his as Stubby Nubby :P
          • Re: BM2010

            Thu, November 5, 2009 - 2:34 PM
            Narwhal!
            • Re: BM2010

              Thu, November 5, 2009 - 4:39 PM

              So who's bringing the unicorn and narwhal bacon next year?
              • Re: BM2010

                Thu, November 5, 2009 - 5:40 PM
                Sadly, not I.....not even Duck bacon......Im so bummed already that I wont be making it next year. If I could, I would! Cannot wait to get back in 2011!! I think it will be good to take a break anyway, rev up for a totally rad 2011.

                However, for Reno Decompression and at Las Tortugas halloween fest in Yosemite, I met amazing burners and its crushing to know that I cant visit their camps next summer.

                I will have to smoke myself in maple I guess.
  • Re: BM2010

    Sun, November 8, 2009 - 9:11 AM
    i'll be back in 2012......if there is anything to get back to...


    <ducks>
    • Re: BM2010

      Sun, November 8, 2009 - 7:48 PM
      actually there will be a lot more to get back to in 2012.
      in 2010 Bm is doing away with their LNT policy so we can
      start leaving our couches and "art" out there.
      I thinks its great, this should've happened years ago.
      everything will be so much easier if we can just leave our trash out there where it belongs!
      MOOP Saves!
      • Re: BM2010

        Sun, November 8, 2009 - 8:32 PM
        You support the idea of the landfill out there at Winnemucca, don't you? You just don't want to carry your MOOP that far? Is that it, Bob?

        Duck season in Missouri starts soon. I'll nail one with you in mind.

        Be vewwwy vewwy quiet, Bob.....we're hunting DUCK! To be served with ASPARAGUS!
        • Re: BM2010

          Thu, November 12, 2009 - 3:16 PM
          <One state’s trash …
          Promisingly for Nevada, planned show plant aims to turn waste from other places into energy
          By Stephanie Tavares - LV Sun

          Californians are planning on dumping more of their garbage in Nevada, and federal law says Nevada can’t simply ban it, officials say.

          So Gov. Jim Gibbons and others are proposing that Californians pay for a state-of-the-art recycling and waste-to-energy plant that could turn that garbage into much-needed revenue.

          For starters, Nevada might be able to pull out recyclables and sell them on the market. However, San Francisco has a mandatory recycling program, so it seems unlikely that many recyclables from there will be left in the truckloads driven across the state line.

          Another option, and one looking increasingly attractive, is to use the trash to create valuable fuel, electricity and biochar, a highly porous charcoal made from organic waste.

          It’s not a far-fetched idea. Cities across the country burn their trash for energy. But it comes at the expense of air quality.

          A group of Las Vegas investors say they have the perfect solution — a technology that turns garbage into energy without the usual air pollution. Concord Blue Energy is importing components for a 250-kilowatt chemically processed waste-to-energy demonstration plant that it plans to operate near McCarran International Airport.

          This plant, in Paradise township, would be the first U.S. demonstration site. The company says it already has potential customers from throughout the nation lined up to fly in and check out the demonstration project.

          Clark County officials are handling the final stages of permitting, and the company expects the plant components to arrive from India by the end of the month. The plant should be operational around the beginning of 2010, they say.

          Concord Blue is the American licensee of a German operation that has plants operating in Japan and India. It also has a demonstration plant in Germany.

          Unlike most waste-to-energy or biomass plants in the U.S., these plants do not burn waste in furnaces. Instead, they use a system in which the waste is decomposed through pyrolysis, which involves heating organic materials to a point where elements are separated, allowing ethanol, hydrogen and other valuable gases to be extracted. The system needs outside fuel (usually propane) to start the plant up, but after that, biochar fuels the process.

          The system is considered environmentally friendly because it disposes of waste without generating massive greenhouse gas emissions or mountains of fly ash. A full-scale plant (about 20 times larger than the demonstration plant headed for Southern Nevada) has about the same emissions as a small car, Concord Blue says. The byproducts of the chemical process are a small amount of ash, which can be sold to cement manufacturers, and biochar, which is selling for about $150 a ton to compost makers and coal plants that burn the char for fuel.

          Garbage-to-energy plants are considered renewable energy operations in Nevada thanks to changes made during the past legislative session. The plant planned for the Las Vegas area could consume one to three tons of garbage daily, depending on the type of waste fed into the system.

          It is exactly the kind of thing lawmakers want to have in Northern Nevada, says Sen. Randolph Townsend of Washoe County, the GOP’s senior state lawmaker on energy issues.

          Nevada is already a dumping ground for California. A dump near Reno takes in about 275,000 tons of trash from California each year. And there are permits for two other California dumps on Nevada soil. But Northern Nevadans have had their fill of their neighboring state’s garbage. San Francisco-based waste company Recology’s plan to haul up to 4,000 tons of trash a day and dump it near Winnemucca in exchange for about $1 million in annual fees has run into strong resistance. Locals fear the dump will put their underground water supply at risk and pollute their air, Townsend says.

          “These waste-to-energy plants are a way to get rid of the trash in a way that makes sense,” Townsend says, noting that getting trash from California would just boost the economies of scale for Nevada waste-to-energy plants. “There’s value to this but the window of opportunity for Nevada is fairly small because everybody else is going to be looking at it as well. We should pursue this.”

          Gibbons says he will propose legislation to reward waste managers for increasing recycling and for energy recovered from waste. He would also like to see incentives and tax abatements for recycling-related businesses that relocate to Nevada and low-cost financing for the construction of waste recovery facilities.

          “We can conserve natural resources, create clean energy and create jobs by looking at landfills not as places where we bury our trash, but as places where recycling and energy recovery begin,” Gibbons says.>
          • Re: BM2010

            Thu, November 12, 2009 - 4:22 PM
            The biochar plants have some interesting by-products as well, depending upon what goes into them.
            There's a pork producer's consortium right now that are pyrolitically treating pig manure to make asphalt oil. It's one smell or another, any way you look at it.
          • Re: BM2010

            Thu, November 12, 2009 - 4:50 PM
            This is the realization of a process I first read about in Discover years ago,
            thermal depolymerization, aka thermal conversion. The pilot plant was
            built here in Philadelphia and I believe Con Agra uses this to process
            turkey and chicken carcasses into oil and carbon.

            I'd like to see more of this in PA. We import more trash than any other
            state, mostly from NY. Who knows the long term effects of all those
            upstate landfills on the Delaware and Susquehanna watersheds.
  • Re: BM2010

    Mon, November 16, 2009 - 5:06 PM
    I would be going, and saving up now if i wasn't on probation FOR THE NEXT YEAR, which is 2 years in my time. That was one of the biggest bummers I thought about.
  • Re: BM2010

    Thu, November 19, 2009 - 2:01 AM
    Come on people. All this energy about ducks. Really! This thread is vapid and counterproductive. Why not throw all of this extra energy you all seem to have on projects like Burners Without Boarders, or helping put solar on schools in Gerlach? How about volunteering or using your extra time writing letters to your congress people? Better yet, go outside and plant a garden. Maybe you'll even see a duck fly by while you are doing something more productive and helpful to society - outside. If you all love ducks so much, why don't you fucking get a duck tattoo or something.

    Sorry to fly off the handle here, you guys just struck a nerve. I haven't decompressed fully and am a bit edgy.

    Peace Out,

    Love and special burn harmonics,

    Jango

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