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5 deaths...

topic posted Thu, September 6, 2007 - 11:46 AM by  Alchemy
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Sorry to be morbid... but I really want to know. 5 people's lives ended this year at Burning Man, a record, and I want to know how it happened. I know of the one suicide and also heard of someone whos ear was entirely ripped off in a biking accident (did he survive?)

What were the other deaths? Anyone know who is willing to share?
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  • Re: 5 deaths...

    Thu, September 6, 2007 - 11:48 AM
    I've only heard of one death.
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      Re: 5 deaths...

      Thu, September 6, 2007 - 12:03 PM
      2 murders, 1 suicide, and 1 OD are the rumors that I heard...
      • Re: 5 deaths...

        Thu, September 6, 2007 - 12:49 PM
        I can see the OD in the hot desert sun all day and the drugs some do, but murder, on the playa. WOW!! More info........ I want to hear the real story on this one.
      • Re: 5 deaths...

        Thu, September 6, 2007 - 1:49 PM
        the two murders is false, it was just a rabid group of cultish peace-pushers who jumped a couple of people who joked about burning the temple down early.
      • Re: 5 deaths...

        Mon, September 10, 2007 - 1:44 PM
        Spreading rumors off "murder" is irresponsible, and does nothing but propogate the myth of the BM darkside.
  • Re: 5 deaths...

    Thu, September 6, 2007 - 12:10 PM
    I only know of the suicide. I also heard that a parachuter came done real fast, I haven't heard anything about their status though.
    • Re: 5 deaths...

      Thu, September 6, 2007 - 12:12 PM
      the parachute came DOWN real fast....

      friggin' dyslexia.....
      • Re: 5 deaths...

        Thu, September 6, 2007 - 12:18 PM
        I've only heard of 4 deaths in the city limits of BRC ever, including the suicide.
        the Black Rock Beacon reported this on Thursday after the suicide. People have died in car accidents on the highways outside BRC however.
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          Re: 5 deaths...

          Thu, September 6, 2007 - 12:26 PM
          Like I said rumors is there somewhere to check the facts?
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            Re: 5 deaths...

            Thu, September 6, 2007 - 1:21 PM
            Talked to several rangers wandering through the hostel post-burn.

            THE ONLY DEATH WAS THE SUICIDE.

            The skydiver was able to deploy his emergency chute.

            What happens on the highway before and after the burn should not be counted, since too many people revert to their default mentality when they are off the playa.

            VBS
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              Re: 5 deaths...

              Thu, September 6, 2007 - 1:43 PM
              So nobody broke their neck at Thunderdome?
              • Re: 5 deaths...

                Thu, September 6, 2007 - 8:07 PM
                no. The man that fell from the thunderdome did NOT DIE, he was air lifted out though.


                Officially there was only 1 death at Burning man (that was the suicide) all other deaths were actually declared in Reno... so there is that.

                There was
                1- Suicide
                2 & 3- Art Car Accidents
                Number 1- a girl miscalculated trying to Jump onto a moving artcar and got caught under the wheel
                Number 2- was a person who was tripping on LSD on the playa WITHOUT Glowy shit. and became a speed bump
                4- was a possible OD- There was a girl who came in out of the dust storm on Thursday an collapsed in someones camp.

                The fifth... I do not remember at the moment. I recieved all my information from the person who got the calls down in medical.

                Thanks. What a bummer about people dying out there. But please spread the word. DON'T Be a DARK TARD. Make sure your friends and yourself are WELL lit at night. some of these deaths were avoidable.

                We are responsible for ourselves out there.... Please, take care. Light up, use EL-WIRE, use GLOW Sticks (poor man's EL)
                Decorate your Bike, your head, your ankles... make yourself visible.
                • Re: 5 deaths...

                  Fri, September 7, 2007 - 1:52 PM
                  Actually, I was in the med tent when the girl that got hit by the art car came in. I talked to her and she is fine, just has a really ugly leg now. She was trying to move her bike out of the way of the art car and her boot got hung up on a piece of metal on the car. It drug her leg under the car. They stopped the car on top of her and a bunch of guys lifted up the car and dragged her out form under it. Her thigh was mangled bad, but nothing she wont recover from. There was also an elderly woman that had a heart attack and was air lifted out, she too was lived.
                  I was in the med tent because I had a head on collition on my bike with a darktard on her bike. She is fine, I have a fractured ankle. That happened on wednesday night. Thank god my friends all had rickshaws to take me around in. I still had a fabulous burn, even on crutches!
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                    Re: 5 deaths...

                    Mon, September 10, 2007 - 12:30 PM
                    WOW! Now THAT is an inspiring story, amidst all the complaining. You of all people SHOULD be complaining. Thank you for that!
                • Re: 5 deaths...

                  Mon, September 10, 2007 - 4:24 PM
                  Are you saying that if a person dies in Reno as a result of an injury at BM it does not count as a BM death? I can guarantee that the deaths as a result of an injury at BM are indeed BM deaths regarldess of expiration location.

                  Just like any other event. Die in Reno and you indeed die in reno - Cause of Death "...injury sustained at Burningman..."

                  later
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                    Re: 5 deaths...

                    Mon, September 10, 2007 - 4:53 PM
                    eric, I view it as you do. If a person dies from something that happened at BM the death counts on the BM tally. I'm not sure if the Org tallies it this way or not, but they should. My question earlier was trying to get at that and I got flamed by Sasquatch for it.
                    • Re: 5 deaths...

                      Mon, September 10, 2007 - 5:13 PM
                      actually, your view is not shared by government, or any organization out there. there is a reason why you hear the term declared dead.

                      remembering back to the 94 woodstock with two official deaths and 15 (i was hanging out with medical personal at the time) total if you include the number declared dead at the hospitals.

                      but please continue to demand that they account for every bad thing that happen to anyone whether it be on site or off.

                      taz
              • Re: 5 deaths...

                Fri, September 7, 2007 - 9:41 AM
                >So nobody broke their neck at Thunderdome?

                You're probably speaking of the guy who fell and was *so* fucked up that 8+ medics had to restrain him - after he pissed himself then took a shit and - I swear - picked it up and ate it saying "What are you gonna do NOW?"

                He was evacuated by chopper and 51/50'd.

                (So you still wanna be a Ranger?)
                • Re: 5 deaths...

                  Fri, September 7, 2007 - 11:57 PM
                  <He was evacuated by chopper and 51/50'd. >

                  No he wasn't. I forget what they call it in Nevada.

                  (okay, minor technicality indulged in for the joy of once in a while correcting Badger.)
                • Re: 5 deaths...

                  Sat, September 8, 2007 - 12:28 AM
                  As friends of the jumper we're looking for the guy who took a video of him jumping off the dome--does anybody have any information about this? We know it exists, but connections were lost between us and the guy who shot the video. By the way, our friend did not break his neck, just 10 vertebrae--and luckily is not paralyzed.
                • Re: 5 deaths...

                  Sat, September 8, 2007 - 12:04 PM
                  What is being "51/50'd"?
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                    Sat, September 8, 2007 - 2:04 PM
                    51/50d is being sent to a mental ward. In california.
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                    Re: 5 deaths...

                    Sat, September 8, 2007 - 7:39 PM
                    it's a California Welfare & Institution Code

                    tinyurl.com/y2y66

                    basically, a psych hold because one is believed to be of danger to self or others.

                    I think in Nevada it's called a Med 2000 or some such.
                • Re: 5 deaths...

                  Sun, September 9, 2007 - 11:32 PM
                  i saw a guy get hit by the things that hold the harnesses.. or it brokeand he fell and hit his head...i dont remember him getting up and doing anything, though. the person in front of me said they saw lots of blood on dudes head.after that they were like no more thunderdome and we left because that was pretty much a buzzkill. i hope he was ok... could that really be the same dude that ate his own shit?> was that later?
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                    Re: 5 deaths...

                    Mon, September 10, 2007 - 12:14 PM
                    Probably not the same dude since it was actually the entheon dome, not the thunderdome, where this incident occurred.
                • Re: 5 deaths...

                  Mon, September 10, 2007 - 12:22 PM
                  Badger, sorry I never ran into you onplaya, we need to hang out next year. DaMongolian and I Rangered the guy from the Entheon dome. And yes, Rangering is FUN! :)
            • Re: 5 deaths...

              Thu, September 6, 2007 - 1:47 PM
              Very that is settling. I might of witnessed taht skydiver, and I was worried about them.

              Rumors like this are horrible, and I too do not count highway deaths as deaths in the city either.

              I mean, where the fuck did the murder rumors come from??????
              Besides the suicide I heard of no other deaths, and was really happy to hear that of course. VERY sad for the man who took his own life (he was friends with many of my colorado familiars who dont attend)
              • Re: 5 deaths...

                Thu, September 6, 2007 - 1:53 PM
                >>I mean, where the fuck did the murder rumors come from??????

                They might've been reading this novel:
                www.amazon.com/Man-Burns-...451-1198516
                • Re: 5 deaths...

                  Thu, September 6, 2007 - 1:56 PM
                  I don't have the facts to back it up but from reliable sources in my own camp it was as I know...

                  1 Johnny on the spot guy who's hose got loose cut his neck and the raw sewage had gotten into the wound, he originally did not die but did later.

                  1 girl on a bike ramp

                  an art car accident

                  the suicide

                  and there was another but my brain is too fried right now to remember
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                    Re: 5 deaths...

                    Thu, September 6, 2007 - 2:00 PM
                    oh I remember now, the other was an accidental death.

                    apparently there was a fight the person tripped and fell backwards onto some rebar.

                    so yeah that is 5.

                    we had one of the doctors hanging out with our camp
                    • Re: 5 deaths...

                      Thu, September 6, 2007 - 2:29 PM
                      I wonder. Why isn't all this publicized? I saw the suicide in the news but nothing else.
                      • Re: 5 deaths...

                        Thu, September 6, 2007 - 2:44 PM
                        Because most of it is rumors.

                        There's been very few deaths on the playa.

                        1996: motorcyle drives over tent. (next year is the first year the city has roads)
                        2002?: Dave Train drives over woman who is getting off art car
                        2006: Fire performer has heart attack
                        2007: Guy finds tall tent and rope

                        These are the only deaths where someone has been declared dead on the scene (on playa).

                        There have been numerous other deaths resulting from burning man, such as wacko diving into fire in 2002, fire walker stepping on hot nail from the burning dice casino, some guy doing a swan dive off of scaffolding...

                        For every actual death, there's always many more rumors (such as the porta potty incident, rebar accident, murder...)

                        And every year, someone dies driving up that damn 447. Not necessarily on the way to or from burning man, in fact the org has lost several volunteers weeks out of the event because of the drive.

                        And then the very unspoken about incidents. Every year, there's always several people who can't handle the post-burn come down, or realize they don't want to go back to reality camp, and decide to kill themself once they get back home. Post-burn suicides off playa actually top the list of cause of death.

                        And why don't you see it in the press? If you have to ask that question, you're clueless. Burning Man is about self-reliance. It's not about an organization baby sitting everyone. It can be a dangerous place. Read your ticket! We push ourselves past our limits every time we go out there. It's not a habitat very conducive to humans. And of course the organization that could be held responsible does not want to take on the liability. Would make much more sense for them to say they are creating an environment where people can come hang out, drop acid, do other heavy drugs, and have sex all week.

                        If you keep going to burning man, both before and off the playa, I highly suggest you make "Staying Alive" your #1 priority. Safety is always in the front of my mind when I am on the playa. Seems like common sense, huh? But unfortunately, not enough people are doing this.
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                          Re: 5 deaths...

                          Thu, September 6, 2007 - 7:36 PM
                          I'd never heard of a wacko diving into a fire or a fire walker stepping on a nail before. Can you link us to info on these?
                        • Re: 5 deaths...

                          Fri, September 7, 2007 - 8:52 PM
                          My good friend Adam Goldstone died last year - 4 hours after arriving on playa - of an unreported heart condition. He was aware that his days were numbered though and wanted to be on the playa in spite of the risks....
                        • Re: 5 deaths...

                          Mon, September 10, 2007 - 12:25 PM
                          The Swan Dive off scaffolding... Are you talking about 1999 that happened in the Church of Mez camp,. because that guy lived...
                      • Re: 5 deaths...

                        Thu, September 6, 2007 - 2:45 PM
                        Because most of it is rumors.

                        There's been very few deaths on the playa.

                        1996: motorcyle drives over tent. (next year is the first year the city has roads)
                        2002?: Dave Train drives over woman who is getting off art car
                        2006: Fire performer has heart attack
                        2007: Guy finds tall tent and rope

                        These are the only deaths where someone has been declared dead on the scene (on playa).

                        There have been numerous other deaths resulting from burning man, such as wacko diving into fire in 2002, fire walker stepping on hot nail from the burning dice casino, some guy doing a swan dive off of scaffolding...

                        For every actual death, there's always many more rumors (such as the porta potty incident, rebar accident, murder...)

                        And every year, someone dies driving up that damn 447. Not necessarily on the way to or from burning man, in fact the org has lost several volunteers weeks out of the event because of the drive.

                        And then the very unspoken about incidents. Every year, there's always several people who can't handle the post-burn come down, or realize they don't want to go back to reality camp, and decide to kill themself once they get back home. Post-burn suicides off playa actually top the list of cause of death.

                        And why don't you see it in the press? If you have to ask that question, you're clueless. Burning Man is about self-reliance. It's not about an organization baby sitting everyone. It can be a dangerous place. Read your ticket! We push ourselves past our limits every time we go out there. It's not a habitat very conducive to humans. And of course the organization that could be held responsible does not want to take on the liability. Would make much more sense for them to say they are creating an environment where people can come hang out, drop acid, do other heavy drugs, and have sex all week.

                        If you keep going to burning man, both before and off the playa, I highly suggest you make "Staying Alive" your #1 priority. Safety is always in the front of my mind when I am on the playa. Seems like common sense, huh? But unfortunately, not enough people are doing this.
                        • Re: 5 deaths...

                          Thu, September 6, 2007 - 5:00 PM
                          The woman who was run over died in 2003.

                          And there are people who die because of burning man.
                          The man who died from burns at the Dice Burn, and others like him.
                          I have heard of others, including a heart attack in 2001.
                          If someone incurs a fatal injury and dies after being shuttled out of the event...
                          I do believe that should still count.
                          Death because of Burning Man.
                          Just because BMorg scoots their butts out the door before they die ON playa, its still death due to Burning Man.
                        • Re: 5 deaths...

                          Thu, September 6, 2007 - 7:19 PM
                          I realize there is a rhetorical and political pull to downplay the number and severity of grave incidents.
                          And I think that, overall, there are no more deaths than would happen in any other city of equal size.

                          BUT THIS BULLSH**T throwing around of rumours is a MORONIC GOSSIPY INDULGENCE!!

                          "I heard from a really together dude at the Sparks Kmart that... "
                          " I hurdit frum a Ranger, maaaannnn!!!"
                          ... ad nauseaum...
                          Critical thinking, folks! Critical thinking...

                          There are a lot more deaths up there than are publicly acknowledged by the bORG. There have been deaths by way of DPW trailer accidents, heat-assisted heart failures, several plane crashes, deaths by burns (some drug enabled), the assault/manslaughter episode last year, OD's, and all the traffic accidents in and out of the event (which have to be faced, taken seriously, and counted). Traffic/transportation is part and parcel of the life of any city; BRC is no different. It's part of the price, the risk, and the peril of city making: Those deaths are as "accidental" and as related to BRC as commute fatalities are relevant to city planning here in "civilization."

                          FYI... to get a more unvarnished perspective on the event, secure yourself a little entree into the aristocratic circles of the organization and their radio channels and get a lot of reliable inside info that is otherwise is kept quite close to the vest: Perimeter supervisors, emergency services dispatchers, Comm center techs, etc.. not to mention the First Camp Jokers and the Department heads that make up BRC's Mount Olympus.

                          Better yet, just go to the Washoe County Coroner's Office and get the records
                          and dump all this gossip, jerk-off rhetoric and voyeuristic clucking.
                      • Re: 5 deaths...

                        Thu, September 6, 2007 - 7:45 PM
                        I wonder. Why isn't all this publicized? I saw the suicide in the news but nothing else. >>

                        How would that make anyone money?
                        • Re: 5 deaths...

                          Fri, September 7, 2007 - 9:45 AM
                          >I wonder. Why isn't all this publicized? I saw the suicide in the news but nothing else. >>

                          It usually *is* publicized but most often after the event in the newspapers. Sometimes it makes the Reno paper or the info is released by the BLM. Not really sure what publicizing it *at* the event would do other than providing grist for rumor and miscommunication. Besides, there's really no way to get the message out other than the few 'papers' that get printed up during the event.
                          • Re: 5 deaths...

                            Fri, September 7, 2007 - 12:12 PM
                            Hey, Badger, what's wrong with the few "papers" that get printed up during the event?
                            • Re: 5 deaths...

                              Fri, September 7, 2007 - 3:53 PM

                              "Hey, Badger, what's wrong with the few "papers" that get printed up during the event?"

                              Not saying there *is* anything wrong with them. My experience has been that by the time the information is out there the papers have already been printed and waiting another 24 hours to get the word out kinda makes for an 'old news' sort of story. Besides I've never spoken with anyone doing any of the papers (Black Rock Gazette, Piss Clear, Spock Mountain, etc.) who ever claimed that their purpose was specifically about providing news either from inside the event or outside. Most of them seem to me to be about humor, commentary and satire.
                    • Re: 5 deaths...

                      Thu, September 6, 2007 - 4:00 PM
                      > 1 Johnny on the spot guy who's hose got loose cut his neck and the raw sewage had gotten into the wound, he originally did not die but did later. <

                      - His name was Smiley and he did NOT die. His hose EXPLODED and he was covered with shit, but all in all he was very good humored about it, alive and well and receiving gifts as of Monday on BMIR during the white out storm.

                      The suicide is true. I heard a lot of rumors, but can't confirm anything else. Unless those rumored deaths all happened on Monday, I doubt the reports to be true or they would have wound their way through media mecca, where I was stationed.
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                        Re: 5 deaths...

                        Thu, September 6, 2007 - 7:38 PM
                        lalindaloca,

                        I'm glad he's ok, but I heard a radio announcement saying his neck was cut. Was that just hype?
                    • Re: 5 deaths...

                      Thu, September 6, 2007 - 4:19 PM
                      Please keep in mind that doctors gossip too. Unless it was in the afterburn report (which hasn't been put together yet) or the person you were talking to was actually there when they died, it can't be confirmed as truth.

                      The suicide, obviously that one is true because it has been confirmed by multiple sources. I would personally take all the other death rumours with a big grain of salt for now.

                      Mockingbird
                      • Re: 5 deaths...

                        Thu, September 6, 2007 - 4:32 PM
                        if they did NOT die within the city limits of BRC, it doesn't count. Play again.
                        • Re: 5 deaths...

                          Thu, September 6, 2007 - 4:52 PM
                          The sewage hose exploede from a beer bottle... NOT an explosive devise. Those pumps are powerful and the hoses get alot of use. One moron throwing a beer bottle into the JOTS is what caused the worker and a few other to get coered in shit!
                        • Re: 5 deaths...

                          Mon, September 10, 2007 - 3:54 PM
                          So, if you shoot me on the CA/NV border from the CA side, and I stumble back a few steps and fall down dead in NV, are you saying CA wont charge you with murder?
                    • Not true, NOT five deaths....

                      Thu, September 6, 2007 - 5:28 PM
                      Lil' Shadow.... you are talking about injuries that happened on playa, you are not talking about deaths. I work for ESD and am a medical supervisor and was involved in much of what is being discussed here and can tell you, with assurance, that the only documented death on the playa this year to date was the young man's suicide on Thursday morning. Period. EVERYTHING else is rumor. Don't succumb to rumor. And, all of y'all, don't spread rumors unless you have actual, verified facts in front of you (in which case it is not, then, rumor...).
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                    Re: 5 deaths...

                    Thu, September 6, 2007 - 4:16 PM
                    They guy from the porta potty was interviewed on brc radio during exodus, he was ok and didn't not die, just got his dentures knocked out.
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                    Johnny on the spot neck wound guy

                    Mon, September 10, 2007 - 12:01 AM
                    I heard announced at Center Camp that the Johnny on the Spot clean out service guy actually had his hose explode because of a bottle that some punk-ass dropped in a toilet. The bottles are big enough to get in the hose, but then they clog the vacuum and make hell for the guys who help keep Black Rock City a sanitary place. They were imploring folks to PLEASE dont ever put stuff in the toilets that didnt pass through your body. Spread the word and help promote peace for the poop-scoopers.
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                    Re: 5 deaths...

                    Mon, September 10, 2007 - 12:36 PM
                    Correction to the JOTS guy: there was an announcement at Center Camp about this. Someone threw a beer bottle in the PortoPotty. It jammed the hose and caused it to rupture. VERY avoidable.
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                Re: 5 deaths...

                Thu, September 6, 2007 - 2:45 PM
                No the murder death rumor was spread by a lady at the temple burn she really seemed to know what she was talking about and claimed to be with the ORG I still took it as rumor though.
                But also wanted to ease MY fears, thanks.
                I am really glad to hear this is not true...
                • Re: 5 deaths...

                  Thu, September 6, 2007 - 3:45 PM
                  And looks like I missed a couple of heart attacks:

                  Read this and remember, if you are in you're 60's, have not exercised in years (other than to fetch a beer from the fridge or lift a frying pan full of bacon), a chain smoker, and not in the best shape, well, burning man might not be for you.

                  www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi
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                    Re: 5 deaths...

                    Thu, September 6, 2007 - 4:07 PM
                    there was a heart attack victim who was VERY young in 2005. however i believe it was an undiagnosed heart condition, which probably would have happened anywhere/anytime around then... age/shape may have nothing to do with it sometimes.
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    Re: 5 deaths...

    Thu, September 6, 2007 - 3:55 PM
    I wonder how many people died in US cities of populations around 48,000 that week.
    • Re: 5 deaths...

      Thu, September 6, 2007 - 4:01 PM
      "1 Johnny on the spot guy who's hose got loose cut his neck and the raw sewage had gotten into the wound, he originally did not die but did later."

      I heard this at BM. I heard though, that a JOTS worker was cleaning a pot and someone had put something explosive in the pot, and it blew up as he was cleaning. He was taken to the hospital in reno, but i didnt know that he died. It didnt seem like a rumor when I was out there.
    • Re: 5 deaths...

      Thu, September 6, 2007 - 4:01 PM
      yeah, exactly...considering our size, risk-taking activities, the weather, the relative lack of comfort and medical equipment, etc, we do very well

      of course, burners probably skew towards healthy and young, but still...
    • per capita death rate in U.S. cities

      Thu, September 6, 2007 - 8:49 PM
      From the various statistics I have been able to find, the average number of deaths in the U.S. is 2 per 100,000 people per day.

      If the total person-days on the playa is about 200,000, then one would expect 4 deaths during the week.

      This number needs to be reduced to account for the fact that most deaths occur among the old, frail, and sick -- a population that is not attending Burning Man.

      On the other hand, people attending Burning Man are exterting themselves in 100+ degree temperatures, there are 50 degree daily temperature swings, dehydration is common, and people are taking risks they would not ordinarily take.

      Given all this, it is difficult to translate normal death statistics into the Burning Man context.
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        Re: per capita death rate in U.S. cities

        Thu, September 6, 2007 - 9:56 PM
        >Of course we obliged with tall tales of autoerotic asphixiation, ramp o death mishaps, anal sex declarations, and the Temple being torched on tuesday.<

        now, that's the spirit!
    • Re: 5 deaths...

      Thu, September 6, 2007 - 10:37 PM
      The US mortality rate is 816.7 deaths per 100,000 population. Which comes out as 1.07 deaths per day in 48.000 people. So in that sense we're ahead of the curve.

      Then again considering the BRC age distribution and health state at the start of the week, I'm seriously doubt we're on the happy side of the statistics.
      • Re: 5 deaths...

        Fri, September 7, 2007 - 8:57 AM
        but then you also have to take into account how risky it is just being on the playa

        i think we do very well all things considered

        i mean, you'd expect someone dying everyday just from putting LSD, beer, and flamethrowing cars in the same city
    • Re: 5 deaths...

      Wed, September 12, 2007 - 2:24 PM
      I know that when they used to have massive joint military forces exercises in the east of western europe back in the 80s that there with 100,000 troops there for 3 weeks they have an "allowable" death rate of 15 people per exercise. If you make that comparable to the 50,000 at BM for 1 week then that equates to 2.5 deaths per Burning Man.

      Ok, so on a massive military exercise you've got lots of guns, tanks and other things but you also don't have the drugs, heat and other aspects of BM.

      I can't remember what proportion of those 15 deaths were from official activities and what were from driving accidents, but like in the British military on operations today (i.e. an organisation having a large number of people in an unfamiliar place dealing with various influcences) by far the largest cause of death is driving accidents...

      My apologies if people feel the above isn't relevant, but in terms of congregations of huge numbers of people for specific time periods then it felt relevant. :)
  • Death takes a holiday?

    Thu, September 6, 2007 - 4:00 PM
    Consider what a potential accident-waiting-to-happen BRC is with its towers, fires, jungle-gyms, storms, art cars, lack of street lighting, et al. Add a sleep-deprived populace in full-tilt celebration mode day and night. Now marvel that there aren't many, many more deaths each year.

    Does any city of 45,000 go seven days without a single murder, suicide, accidental, health or drug-related death?

    We think of death as wrong, bad, tragic, and preventable, when in fact death is the single most dominant fact of life. We’re all going there, and some of us happen to go while we're in BRC.
    • Re: Death takes a holiday?

      Thu, September 6, 2007 - 4:12 PM
      Potty Boy, not dead

      2 sucides, not one, they were several days apart.

      No murders that I've heard of, tho the rangers and medical folks that I know were off duty by sat, soooooooo

      Two art car deaths, one and head crush , again. The second the guy passed out on the playa with no lights.......see safety third rule, and was run over and later expiored frorm his injuries.

      There were a number of heart attacks, and there are always a number of cardiac issues at BM.
      • Re: Death takes a holiday?

        Thu, September 6, 2007 - 4:31 PM
        I know only of the suicide, confirmed
        and...
        A possible broken neck from the bike ramp witnessed by several of my close friends, not sure if the person died....

        All I can say is What a shame..

        We had a serious injury in our camp (had to be care flighted). People need to wake the F up and realize that burning man is a dangerous place and to take better care of themselves

        Read You're F**king Ticket People!
        • Re: Death takes a holiday?

          Thu, September 6, 2007 - 4:57 PM
          Girl on bike ramp is OK, had to be life flighted, but was just a concussion and is fine now, fyi.
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            Re: Death takes a holiday?

            Thu, September 6, 2007 - 5:11 PM
            i love how the rumor mill runs......that JOTS thing came 'round about half a dozen times at our camp, and every time it had different details - once thru a late-arriver who'd been told by a greeter that it was a fork in the potties that sliced the hoser's neck open and he got poisoned from all the shit. it just goes on and on....

            let's remember that fucking with people's heads is a favorite pastime in BRC, 'k? we had a BRC fireman in our camp who told a HUGE tall tale about a guy who was violent and eating and spewing his own shit. the story was graphic, long-winded and filled with hilarious detail......and i don't believe a word of it. but it sure was fun hearing him tell it!
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              Re: Death takes a holiday?

              Thu, September 6, 2007 - 5:14 PM
              oh, btw, leaving BRC on sunday night, we passed an enormous RV that had tipped completely over on one side, right by the side of the road. sure didn't look like fun.....there were lots of cops and an ambulance already there. i just hope everybody in there got out okay.
            • Re: Death takes a holiday?

              Fri, September 7, 2007 - 3:44 PM
              "we had a BRC fireman in our camp who told a HUGE tall tale about a guy who was violent and eating and spewing his own shit. the story was graphic, long-winded and filled with hilarious detail..."

              Actually, the dude trippin squares thursday night on the top of Antheon Village Dome- well he fell 40 feet, bounced off the giant inflatable spiky snake and hit the ground....

              he spent over an hour wrestling rangers, EMT, other first responders, then ate his own shit, got up, tried to walk around, etc.

              So there is some truth to the violent dude who was eating his own shit.

              there's is always a gem of truth to each of these rumors- they are always 'based' on fact. The details are what make the rumors fun!
          • Re: Death takes a holiday?

            Sat, September 8, 2007 - 11:30 AM
            Just to be clear. The girl in a white tutu/dress that was totally shitfaced at Karp Camp for Black Sabbath Sunday that seemed to be having trouble standing (let alone riding a bike) that jumped the flaming ramp of death after everyone else (including myself) had decided it's height and precarious nature had reached a point too dangerous to attempt. The girl that rode over the top and promptly face planted and went into convulsions. That's the girl that was lifeflighted and managed to suffer a concussion, but no broken neck or death?
            If so, I'm really relieved to hear that. I'm just not sure if there were more bike ramp incidents out there and wanted to make sure that this was the one. It looked really grim for a while there for her. I was enjoying living the good old days at Karp, until that happened. Funny thing is, three years ago, I saw some BRC Rangers make carp remove their one foot ramp of death that a unicycle had just jumped because they deemed it dangerous.
            My best regards to the girl in her concussion recovery.
            K
            • Re: Death takes a holiday?

              Mon, September 10, 2007 - 3:43 PM
              >The girl in a white tutu/dress that was totally shitfaced

              OK, now in *this* thread the word 'shitfaced' has very different connotations.

              I'm just sayin'.
        • Re: Death takes a holiday?

          Thu, September 6, 2007 - 4:59 PM
          I interviewed Smiley, the porta potty guy. The hose that sucks out the porta potty got clogged with a beer bottle. The pressure grew and it exploded (the hose). He was knocked off his feet and covered head to toe in shit and piss. Smiley said "luckily I didn't have my mouth opened". He lost his false teeth in the accident. He was hosed off, finished his route and went to the hospital in Reno.

          We collected some stuff for him: a case of Tecate, a bottle of vodka, a bottle of merlot and a stuffed bunny from the billion bunnys. I wrote him a check for $300 to pay for replacing his teeth, he is a day laborer and has no insurance. Someone else kicked in $40. If he cashed the check I'll assume he's still alive. He was fine on Tuesday when he came by to give me a hug.
        • Re: Death takes a holiday?

          Thu, September 6, 2007 - 5:07 PM
          <<<People need to wake the F up and realize that burning man is a dangerous place and to take better care of themselves >>>

          As awful as it sounds, people will not "wake up" unless a whole lot of people die each year (which isn't going to happen, btw). The ticket says you might die...and then you don't. You don't even come close. No one you know dies, or even comes close. You see people do incredibly stupid shit, and they don't die either. Then when someone dies we find out it was from a suicide, or from a domestic dispute and getting clocked on the melon by a frying pan, or by getting high and jumping off something. Few of the very few deaths are the kind of outta nowhere I shoulda read my ticket kind of deaths. The ticket says that to protect the org's butt, but as has been mentioned here and many other places, for a city of 40,000+ we do a pretty freekin great job of not dying...ya know?
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            Re: Death takes a holiday?

            Thu, September 6, 2007 - 5:41 PM
            In 2003 I was about to get on a friend of mine's (Barry) small prop plane at the BRC airport - there were several of us waiting to go up for a fly around -- someone other people ended up getting on ahead of me whilst I was busy talking to someone... the plane ended up crash landing & all 4 people on board eventually died. I saw it go down from about a mile out as it was approaching the runway & ran towards the wreckage. By the time I got there a firetruck was pumping foam directly into the cabin - and they hadn't pulled anyone out yet -- that's how bad they were fucked up. I guess they didn't officially die at the scene, they were airlifted to reno & died a few hours/days later, but in reality they did die at BRC...
            No one I've ever asked has heard of it or talks about it -- thats 4 people dieing in one incident!
            I guess cause they managed to keep them alive long enough to get them out, they're not considered BRC casualties... which I think is pretty stupid.
            On a side note: I felt a peace about it at the time though - when it's your time, it's your time -- evidentally it wasn't mine.
            • Re: Death takes a holiday?

              Thu, September 6, 2007 - 6:42 PM
              wow, so many rumors...
              i wonder if the BMORG or anyone has an official tally somewhere of all deaths that have occured at BRC or directly resulted from events that took place there. if not, it seems totally irresponsible and even hints at the desire to cover up such incidents. how many people have really died on the playa (including those airlifted who died within a few days)? 4? 10? 20? I'd like to know.
              • Re: Death takes a holiday?

                Thu, September 6, 2007 - 6:43 PM
                Maybe the census people have that info.
                • Re: Death takes a holiday?

                  Thu, September 6, 2007 - 6:50 PM
                  yea thats what i was thinking.

                  did you die at burning man in [insert year here]? [ ] yes [ ] no

                  If so, did you die on the playa, [ ] or did you die later due to burning man related injuries? [ ]
                • Re: Death takes a holiday?

                  Thu, September 6, 2007 - 6:52 PM
                  I don't think dead people can fill out a census.
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                    Re: Death takes a holiday?

                    Thu, September 6, 2007 - 7:21 PM
                    fuckin slackers
                    • Re: Death takes a holiday?

                      Fri, September 7, 2007 - 7:34 AM
                      In response to todd' survey:.
                      did you die at burning man in [insert year here]? [ ] yes [ ] no
                      If so, did you die on the playa, [ ] or did you die later due to burning man related injuries? [ ]
                      reply to this post

                      and the response that dead people can't take surveys...
                      Obviously, we can just circulate the survey and everyone who didn't die can do one. We can then compare the number of surveys returned with ticket sales info, and assume that the missing ones MUST represent dead people! I'm sure it will work!
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                    Re: Death takes a holiday?

                    Fri, September 7, 2007 - 12:16 PM
                    census are only done by those whom are belived to be alive.
                    You could put the life or death question under the gender status question.(BTW my favorite question on the census!!!!!
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              Re: Death takes a holiday?

              Thu, September 6, 2007 - 10:03 PM
              A ranger friend was in that crash. Not dead. Showed up on a staff cart the next day all splinted and bandaged though. 2003. Wish I could tell you how the others came out but it was a while ago. I feel I'd remember if they all died though.

              Sas
            • Re: Death takes a holiday?

              Fri, September 7, 2007 - 3:39 AM
              I've heard of this incident. It happened the same year as the girl falling from the art car and getting run over, right? Some of the reports I read about the girl's death also mentioned the crash, although at the time one of those in the crash was still alive.

              In fact the art car death was spoken off as the first "unequivocal" death on playa, that is the first one the Borg couldn't weasel out of because the person lived long enough to die elsewhere.

              I still love Burning Man, I feel that by not acknowledging deaths that come about as a direct result of Burning Man, the Borg are being disingenuous in the extreme.
              • Re: Death takes a holiday?

                Fri, September 7, 2007 - 8:17 AM
                "I still love Burning Man, I feel that by not acknowledging deaths that come about as a direct result of Burning Man, the Borg are being disingenuous in the extreme."

                True, true...

                But, it smacks of much more than disingenuity in my mind. It's straight-up, willful manipulation and the exercise of "Inner Party" privilege. It'sa crap-stinking reminder that the bORG is far from an open or transparent organization and has nothing to do with any kind of egalitarianism or democracy. The layers of privilege and access and the resulting little scene of favor granting and rule bending, the fudging of finances, of attendance figures, of compensation levels, ad infinitum, added to the egregious, insulting (and needless) manipulation of basic stats on deaths, injuries, busts, etc. smacks of sectarian political parties and cults.

                At least they have stopped publishing that cheerleading rag of lies, the "Black Rock Gazette" (It only took years of us calling it "Pravda" and years of us not even bothering to take copies to pass the time in the sweltering afternoons, even when they were tossed on top of our sweaty, dozing bodies.)

                At best, the event is a mixed bag to me. But, whatever the hypocrisies or shortcomings, irritations of BM, letting BRC stand in clear light, warts and all, is the least we can ask for.
              • Re: Death takes a holiday?

                Fri, September 7, 2007 - 9:45 AM
                Look at what the media did to the suicide that occurred this year. Imagine what they'd do to if there were reports of "shades of gray" deaths like you're discussing here. I can't see anything significantly productive that would come of it. As things stand, the deaths still are reported like any other normal death and no hoopla is made over it. I find that a lot more respectful than the dramatizing you folks seem to want.
              • Re: Death takes a holiday?

                Fri, September 7, 2007 - 9:50 AM
                >I still love Burning Man, I feel that by not acknowledging deaths that come about as a direct result of Burning Man, the Borg are being disingenuous in the extreme.

                Other than just tossing out a statement like that can you speak to of as to just how the ORG is being disingenuous. Maybe follow it up with how *you* would do things and your reasons rather than just throwing rocks?
                • Re: Death takes a holiday?

                  Fri, September 7, 2007 - 12:06 PM
                  Speaking for the Black Rock Beacon, I can tell you that the Bmorg is less than cooperative on these matters.

                  They didn't want to talk to us at all about the suicide. (Same as when we were the Gazette, a kind of whiny "why do you want to report all the BAD stuff?" Which included crashed airplanes sitting in the Playa)

                  On Sunday, after we published our final issue, we heard about a possible second death this year, which was a murder. We'll post something on our website presently if it's true.

                  We get our information on these matters from the Pershing Sheriff's Office and the Bureau of Land Management, by the way.
          • Re: Death takes a holiday?

            Fri, September 7, 2007 - 8:58 PM

            Coming close to death has the funny effect of making a lot of people feel life more sensitively...It's happened twice to me on the playa...not that I seek it...but damn it does feel great when that possibility passes and you acknowledge that your time here is limited, and not to waste it.

            No dead time!
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              Re: Death takes a holiday?

              Sun, September 9, 2007 - 12:20 AM
              "Coming close to death has the funny effect of making a lot of people feel life more sensitively...It's happened twice to me on the playa...not that I seek it...but damn it does feel great when that possibility passes and you acknowledge that your time here is limited, and not to waste it."

              Certainly not meaning to trivialize your statement I must observe that having death pass near makes me want to just straight up fuck. A strange and powerful primal defiance of death is how I see it. You? Like that?

              Sas

        • Re: Death takes a holiday?

          Mon, September 10, 2007 - 4:37 PM
          disclaimer on a ticket is worth the paper it is written on. A disclaimer on a ticket does not absolve any organizer of responsibility and the fact that anyone can sue for just about anything these days.

          later
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        Re: Death takes a holiday?

        Thu, September 6, 2007 - 7:40 PM
        Shawn,

        Could you link us to these data please? I'd like to know what really went down and dispense with rumors.
        • Re: Death takes a holiday?

          Thu, September 6, 2007 - 8:00 PM
          There were a couple of 'reporters' that were coming up to our camp throughout the week and asked if we have any rumours to spread. Of course we obliged with tall tales of autoerotic asphixiation, ramp o death mishaps, anal sex declarations, and the Temple being torched on tuesday.
          They wanted something a little more 'unique' than that cuz that's what everyone else wanted to spread.


          Rumours have an interesting and strange life.

          Check on Snopes- they already have some of the rumours from 2007 confirmed and/or denied.
          • Re: Death takes a holiday?

            Thu, September 6, 2007 - 8:15 PM
            where on snopes? I couldn't find them.
            • Re: Death takes a holiday?

              Thu, September 6, 2007 - 8:25 PM
              =============
              There's been very few deaths on the playa.

              1996: motorcyle drives over tent. (next year is the first year the city has roads)
              2002?: Dave Train drives over woman who is getting off art car
              2006: Fire performer has heart attack
              2007: Guy finds tall tent and rope
              ============================

              The Dave Train accident happened in 2003.
              The fire performer died of a massive heart attack in 2005. That's a night that I will never, ever forget. Sam was too beautiful to die so young. His death has forever altered Burning Man for me.

              Those are facts.
              Smooches
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                Re: Death takes a holiday?

                Thu, September 6, 2007 - 10:09 PM
                "The Dave Train accident happened in 2003.

                Those are facts.
                Smooches


                Please forgive me but your facts are not so good.

                The art car death in 2003 was a young lady from the I'm OK, You're OK Corral camp that stepped off the tractor pulling their art trailer only to be run over by the trailer due to it's greater width (than the tractor). The camp is a clean and sober camp and no drugs or alcohol were involved. She was young, intelligent and pretty and her loss was devastating to all involved.

                All this death stuff is getting to macabre for me. Au Revoir.

                Sas

              • Re: Death takes a holiday?

                Thu, September 6, 2007 - 11:42 PM
                "1996: motorcyle drives over tent. (next year is the first year the city has roads) "


                WRONG.

                The death was Michael Fury, manager of Polkacide, on a motorcycle hit a van. We were the first on the scene of that accident.

                The Rave Camp Accident was the same year - car drove over tents with people sleeping in them - no deaths, but permanent brain damage.
                • Re: Death takes a holiday?

                  Fri, September 7, 2007 - 9:52 AM
                  Finally.

                  Someone who know the facts.

                  Danger's correct on both accounts although I have always been under the impression that the rave camp tent accident involved a man rather than a woman.
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                    Re: Death takes a holiday?

                    Fri, September 7, 2007 - 10:43 AM


                    Here is the only gosh darn link I have seen on this thread... everything else is hearsay without evidence of something, I assume.

                    every year someone falls out of a treehouse, off a rock sculpture, etc.

                    Every year someone gets drilled by some sort of art project. Like the super teeter totter.

                    Every year people get hurt in bike accidents.

                    Every year some stoned out trippers lie down to look at the stars and get hit or run over by a art car. I know DPW this year hit a hippy. I know that for a fact.


                    THE BIGGEST INURIES: Rebar... getting gored on rebar. Shit I rather get hit by a car. Cept the cars are so slow, it is like they are mocking you as they roll over you.

                    <looking at my watch... can we get this over with?>

                    Not to make light.. it is sad. I feel bad for Moist and his camp. So inappropriate.
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                    Re: Death takes a holiday?

                    Fri, September 7, 2007 - 11:50 AM
                    Rave Camp injured 3 people, and none of it was about the lack of streets in BRC (nor was Michael Fury's death which happened on the 12 mile track in the middle of the playa).

                    Some totally high asshole got in a car that wasn't his (hotwired, or keys left in I guess) and drove it until it rolled over a tent, crashed and the radiator exploded all over another tent giving the occupant 2 degree burns all over her back.

                    That could have happened in the modern day configuration of BRC too.
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                      Re: Death takes a holiday?

                      Sun, September 9, 2007 - 12:26 AM
                      "That could have happened in the modern day configuration of BRC too."

                      Of course it could but you have to work at it a bit more. A little more complicated than just stealing the car and accelerating in a random direction like then, Now, it'd have to be almost willful in that you'd have to know tents were there in a block rather than their being somewhere out in the dark in random spots.

                      Did you have a different point?

                      Sas

          • rumor mill for examples....

            Thu, September 6, 2007 - 8:18 PM
            - The Man was burned by a woman with a flamethower- she was protesting the sexist nature of burningMan. why not burn a woman she asked when taken into custody (umm- that's been done to death years ago......har har har).
            - The man who burned The Man tuesday morning was signing autographs friday and saturday.
            - 1 person OD'ed in front of the digital clock next to the Temple (that turned out to be 3 people tripping balls, thinking they were dead. It took dozens of people many many hours to convince them they were not actually dead).
            - David Best was arrested by the DEA and convicted of DUI and flown to Reno for sentencing very early monday morning.
            - The Man was set on fire. Everyone can go home now. It's all over.
            - Cup Camp is at 9 Oclock and Landfill.
            - Rangers are cops.
            - Centercamp does not have any cups.
            - It's OK to piss in the Steam Bath Project.
            - It's OK to use your neighbors private portopottie. Even if it is locked and you figured out the combination.
            - These yellow bikes are for us- the signs say we can't lock it, but really it's ok wink wink.
            - The BORG provided shower setups to a limited number of theme camps this year to see how it works out- next year they will roll out a yellow shower program similar to the bikes. Proctor and Gamble is the presenting sponsor.
            - Someone died on the ramp o death this year.
            - Rangers responded to a domestic violence call and a 9mm glock was pulled on one of them.
            - A purple giraffe with flames shooting out of it's ass was speeding down A street, and 4 naked women were tossed out into 3 oclock plaza.
            - Girls gone wild was out there again this year.
            - The acid is OK dude- here have some.

            did I miss any?
            • Re: rumor mill for examples....

              Thu, September 6, 2007 - 10:16 PM
              How many people die in a city of 40,000+ people over the course of a week? I'll bet far more than the five rumored deaths that this thread was started over... Get a clue, death is part of life. Someone in '06 had a heart attack, he just collapsed and fell over dead, it's tragic, but I can't think of a better place to go, I bet he had a smile on his face... What do you want to get ran over by, a city bus or an artcar? If you're gonna go go with a smile. And above all, be responsible, the playa is not Disneyland, thems fires is real...
            • Re: rumor mill for examples....

              Thu, September 6, 2007 - 10:31 PM
              to Joe's post above......yes, i remember this in 2003 as well.....some friends of mine had been given some free tix for a plane ride THAT DAY....later we heard about the plane crash.....almost too scary to be true....i'm so sorry you had to witness that

              don't forget about the DJ who OD'd out there last year....
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              Re: rumor mill for examples....

              Sun, September 9, 2007 - 12:29 AM
              "- 1 person OD'ed in front of the digital clock next to the Temple (that turned out to be 3 people tripping balls, thinking they were dead. It took dozens of people many many hours to convince them they were not actually dead)."

              PCP. It's a hell of a drug. WHO does that drug anymore? I was so surprised to see it appear on playa. First time in 8 years I've seen it there and the results were spectacular for rangers and the users too. I mean that in a life scarring bad way, to be clear.

              Sas

      • Re: Death takes a holiday?

        Fri, September 7, 2007 - 8:14 AM
        Shawn, you're wrong, you're telling untruths and rumors. I work for ESD. I am a medic at the burn. There was one death on the playa this year, the single suicide that we are all now aware of. There were no other suicides, murders or other deaths on the playa in '07. Please stop spreading distressing, incorrect information. It's unfair to your fellow concerned BRC citizens.
        • Re: Death takes a holiday?

          Fri, September 7, 2007 - 8:36 AM
          "I'm a volunteer in a sea of thousands with staticky traffic on one radio channel and the nonstop 24 hour, jabber of a dehydrated serotonin-hammered desert disco streaming past the other ear. Ahm an eggspert!"

          True, rumours are BS for small people, but demanding audience because of one's own (ridiculously questionable) position of being 'in-the-know,' is the calling card of gossip as well.

          [Ck. the Washoe Co. Coroners, sheet for the week.
          "Nuf said.
          (almost)]

          'Ong nam yong rengye kyo...
          Ong nam yong rengye kyo...
          Ong nam yong rengye kyo..."

          All's well that seems well.

          Harrumph
        • Saakimba - Do you know....

          Fri, September 7, 2007 - 2:52 PM
          Saakimba, you seem to know what you are talking about and have real info. Do you know the facts on how the woman who hit her head off the ramp of death is? I was there, it was awful, my buddy was one of the first people doing first aid before the medics arrived. We just want to find out how she is. Someone above refers to a death on the ramp, someone else says she just had a concussion.You can send me an email direct if you don't want any more info in the rumor train. I would really appreciate it. Thank you thank you
  • Re: 5 deaths...

    Thu, September 6, 2007 - 11:34 PM
    Supposedly there were 47,000 at the burn this year....sadly, i think 1, 2, 3 or even 5 deaths might be pretty reasonable when compared to any city of that size.
    • Re: 5 deaths...

      Thu, September 6, 2007 - 11:39 PM
      "sadly, i think 1, 2, 3 or even 5 deaths might be pretty reasonable when compared to any city of that size."

      Yeah - that's what Larry said to me in 1996.

      Reasonable for you maybe. Tell that to their parents.
      • Re: 5 deaths...

        Fri, September 7, 2007 - 12:03 AM
        Right. In terms of death rate of people who *have* parents, I don't think BRC has much to brag about.
        • Re: 5 deaths...

          Fri, September 7, 2007 - 12:35 AM
          Trailer that over turned.

          It belonged to my friends. They are both okay. The truck stayed upright but the trailer is a complete loss. It took them a couple of extra days to off load their stuff and gt the contents and themselves home.
  • Re: 5 deaths...

    Fri, September 7, 2007 - 4:10 AM
    Heard about the suicide, details emerged later. Have relative that works at hospital in Reno and only report from there was girl with severe dehydration compounded by severe case of Playarrhea. Was brought there via ambulance and helicopter.
  • Re: 5 deaths...

    Fri, September 7, 2007 - 11:55 AM
    I'm just visualizing what would happen if the org did attempt to keep track of all the deaths and injuries that occur on the playa, including those driving to the playa, injuries occuring on the playa resulting in deaths in a Reno hospital, and even those who commit suicide a few weeks after the burn.

    I imagine it would take all of 10 minutes for some republican senator to get the event shut down in the name of public safety and health. After all, those republicans know much better what is good for our health that we do.

    If you want the event to go on, encourage the org to not keep track of the injuries. Sure, they can still do what they can to provide health services and safety, but providing public information to the press on what happens is not a good idea.

    In fact, this thread itself, including all of the rumors contained in it, could even be used as fodder by some to permanently end the event.

    When it comes down to it, we are individuals. You have to take care of yourself first and foremost. If you can't even keep yourself alive, how can you expect to contribute to the health of a community?
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      Re: 5 deaths...

      Sun, September 9, 2007 - 12:36 AM
      "I imagine it would take all of 10 minutes for some republican senator to get the event shut down in the name of public safety and health. After all, those republicans know much better what is good for our health that we do."

      First, what makes you think that a Democan senator is any different from a Republicrat?!

      The Republicrat (the wholly owned sock puppet on the right) will bring you the pauper state run by and for the rich and their concerns.

      The Democan (the wholly owned sock puppet on the left) will bring you the Nanny Pauper State run by and for the rich and their concerns.

      In both cases the electorate are manipulated by the fear of the week plus bread and circuses.

      Feh.

      Sas



    • Re: 5 deaths...

      Mon, September 10, 2007 - 4:46 PM
      The event has a right to exist - also there are plenty of private venues large enough and suitable for BM. Less dust as well. BM will not die

      later
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    Re: 5 deaths...

    Fri, September 7, 2007 - 7:06 PM
    OK HERE'S A NEW QUESTION:

    How many people were injured/overdosed/etc. on the playa this year and died from those injuries whether that death was on playa or off?

    I bet the answer is higher than one.
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      Re: 5 deaths...

      Sun, September 9, 2007 - 12:43 AM
      Flux,

      Do you collect dead animals in your spare time? I just ask because you have some morbid freakin interest in this subject and so I wonder what kind of hobbies or motivations you're operating from? Not to mention that if your icon is even subconsciously representational of you you're kind of twisted and perhaps need to NOT be fed.

      Honestly, what business is it of yours how many people suffered and what form that suffering took?

      Even though I'm tempted to just decide your insistance on details is creepy I do feel you deserve a chance to explain. So, spill.....

      Sas
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        Re: 5 deaths...

        Sun, September 9, 2007 - 11:22 PM
        Sasquatch,

        Isn't this thread asking that question? All I did is try to pose the question in way that makes it harder to avoid giving a straight answer.

        You call me morbid for that and get offensive. Well go fuck yourself. I don't answer to you. If you were to speak to me like that in person I'd promptly break your nose for you.
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          Re: 5 deaths...

          Sun, September 9, 2007 - 11:25 PM
          What's with all the fucking haters in this tribe? Seems you can't post anything without someone getting shitty about it.
  • Re: 5 deaths...

    Fri, September 7, 2007 - 8:28 PM
    Does anyone know anything about the passengers of a Jeep which crashed and rolled on the 447 northbound, 3-4 miles out from Empire, at about 6-7am on Monday 27/08 morning? Saw some of them being airlifted away from the scene.
    • Re: 5 deaths...

      Fri, September 7, 2007 - 9:32 PM
      I don't know the outcome, but I was just a few cars behind them and it looked really, really bad. I feel sincerely sorry for anyone involved, but it could have been prevented. The car in question had seconds before blown past me, attempting to pass several cars at once on the crowded highway.

      Please, please, PLEASE everyone: you can't get around the traffic. It's not worth it to overtake a few cars. Unless there's a single slow vehicle with plenty of space ahead of it and you've got a clear view that there's no oncoming traffic, just suck it up and sit in line. You'll get there/home soon enough.
  • Re: 5 deaths...

    Sat, September 8, 2007 - 1:49 AM
    That's awful. I heard of the suicide early on but didn't hear about any other deaths. That's serious and damn tragic.
    • Re: 5 deaths...

      Sun, September 9, 2007 - 12:37 AM
      Danger Angel, did the guy on the motorcycle/van accident also get decapitated? (I'm sorry, I know that's intense, but I heard that as well...)
      • Re: 5 deaths...

        Sun, September 9, 2007 - 5:03 PM
        "Danger Angel, did the guy on the motorcycle/van accident also get decapitated? "

        Yes. Michael Fury was wearing a necklace which removed his head when he hit the van.

        BTW - Michael Fury's band - POLKACIDE is playing at the Starry Plough this Friday. Go support them and raise a pint to Michael - the first Burning Man death ever.
  • Re: 5 deaths...

    Sun, September 9, 2007 - 3:24 PM
    I had my death already before I reached the Playa... guy got shot in the convenience store across the street from me here in LA just before the burn. I feel safer at Burning Man :-S
    • Re: 5 deaths...

      Sun, September 9, 2007 - 3:54 PM
      I had my deaths before and after the playa...a friend died suddenly and unexpectedly and a neighbor was murdered in her bed.
  • out of 50,000 people, some people die

    Mon, September 10, 2007 - 1:42 PM
    I hardly think BM can be a forum for death. I like to think that more people don't die that would have if they didn't go to burning man because they have something to see and live for. I felt the environment to be safe and loving, and I can't even imagine a murder...unless someone got screwed to death or spanked to death, or fed to death.
  • Re: 5 deaths...

    Mon, September 10, 2007 - 2:41 PM
    Death is certainly possible. I was on a bus with a bunch of disfunctional "cuddletowners" in 05. On the way back I noticed the busdriver was suffering road rage and he almost drove us right off the road into a goddamn huge gorge. No one noticed but me because they were arguing. I realized that I was taking it for granted that I would return to P-town alive. I had them stop as soon as possible and switch drivers.
    • Re: 5 deaths...

      Mon, September 10, 2007 - 4:54 PM
      Just felt like posting this somewhere. Sorta relates to this thread.

      Just noticing a couple of themes on the BM Tribe. One theme is about how Burning Man is so dangerous, and people are getting hurt out there! The other thread is about how burning man has lost it's spontaneity and is not the same now that there are so many restrictions (on things such as driving and guns and explosions.)

      Seems to me that people are saying the opposite. The reason there are so many restrictions is not because the org hates art, but rather realizing that BRC has become a huge city, and some restrictions need to be put in place as part of public safety.

      So one or the other people, can't have both.

      (I vote for safety, that Paul guy can go off and start his own event and take all the burners who hate burning man and never go anyways with him.)
  • Re: 5 deaths...

    Tue, September 11, 2007 - 3:08 PM
    A wonderful guy told me of a man who had hung himself at Comfort and Joy Camp. We were by a fire of extra temple pieces by the Paddy Bar Wednesday night.

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