Tribe.net. Local Connections David http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#dfe64b7b-fb5a-49b1-9831-2cfe5c75bcb3 2008-05-20T22:24:46Z 2008-05-20T22:24:46Z

Eat this: http://www.kysq.org/here/080429/target41.html (Death Valley)

David 2008-05-20T22:24:46Z simon http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#dcf27fb2-b714-48e5-befb-51bf3cbe1798 2008-05-20T19:53:02Z 2008-05-20T19:53:02Z

my return flight from london will cost me more!

simon 2008-05-20T19:53:02Z Badger http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#b87f9d08-e44b-441b-abc7-01981f66082d 2008-05-20T19:38:27Z 2008-05-20T19:38:27Z

>How will rising gas prices affect your trip? I guess I won't be flying in with the twin prop.

Badger 2008-05-20T19:38:27Z Geekster http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#8a584f53-b178-4b79-8146-0458712ca95e 2008-05-20T16:16:17Z 2008-05-20T16:16:17Z

1. Nevada gas costs less and gets better mileage than California gas does so I plan on trying to only have enough California gas to make it to Boomtown or thereabouts and fill up with Nevada gas as soon as I can. Same goes for the trip back ... I will top off in Nevada just before the state line. California fuel pollutes less from evaporation but you burn more of it per mile so I am not really sure what the advantage is under heavier than normal load. 2. I am not going to carry a lot of liquid over the Sierras. I will buy my drinking water, beer, canned goods, ice, and other liquids in Sparks so I don't have to haul it over the mountains. 3. I will also purchase the generator gas in Nevada because you get more hours per gallon than with the California fuel. Avoid the "E85" fuel that is 15% alcohol. It has less energy per gallon and if your generator has a load-regulated throttle, you it will burn faster than regular gas.

Geekster 2008-05-20T16:16:17Z ~:B:~ http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#7fe87887-b428-48e4-baa4-36855d93b7d6 2008-05-20T05:31:19Z 2008-05-20T05:31:19Z

hmm....what about next year. and the year after that? when gas is $10 a gallon. maybe this will reduce the number of people going to burning man, bring the population back to around 25,000. do people actually think that gas will go down in price? really?

~:B:~ 2008-05-20T05:31:19Z Miss http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#29da0d91-d74c-4f98-8331-ca9064108b23 2008-05-20T03:40:50Z 2008-05-20T03:40:50Z

Coming from Colorado it might cost me a grand. Yes I'm coming in a 1975 RV (please don't hate me because it makes the trek much easier). BUT, the whole trip could be paid for by renting out my house for the DNC. What great timing: to get away from the craziness that will be here in Denver and hopefully will pay for my trip at the same time.

Miss 2008-05-20T03:40:50Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#9a37c9df-689e-480f-8af4-43c1dd00d500 2008-05-10T00:49:07Z 2008-05-10T00:49:07Z

Gas prices will not affect my trip at all. All I have to do is go down to the orphanage and pick up a couple more of those little buggers. Then I tell them they can’t eat until they sell a set number of fake magazines or Burning Man tickets. Its fast and easy money and all I have to feed them is a package of Top Ramon a day, it only cost me pennies. Plus it is helping the US economy. The more money Huelll has the more he has to spend on sex toys and gas for my RV so I can run my air conditioner, Large Screen and hot tub at Burning Man 24/7 even if I’m not there. AHHH that’s America Dream. Don’t you just love it!!!!!

$item.owner.firstName 2008-05-10T00:49:07Z Gold Guy http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#1c01d5a3-f1b3-4d15-a8e8-fd8bddf23873 2008-05-10T00:43:24Z 2008-05-10T00:43:24Z

True. In my case with a car of average fuel economy it only means doubling my fuel expense. So instead of $75 for the round trip from Chico CA it will be $150. Not a dramatic change for my budget.

Gold Guy 2008-05-10T00:43:24Z Crypto http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#9a706475-365f-42f1-a9f5-2e8d36fc1650 2008-05-09T23:59:53Z 2008-05-09T23:59:53Z

< heard Jenna and Barbara were coming this year to help realize the theme.> The american dream is making it with two unattractive republican twins? Wow. Sorry, Sas, I think I've derailed your thread.

Crypto 2008-05-09T23:59:53Z Rob http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#4631957b-b1a7-4497-b6e1-f9c444e7c61a 2008-05-09T22:27:13Z 2008-05-09T22:27:13Z

"Maybe $5.00 a gallon for gas will cut down on the number of RVs!" I don't know.. it seems to me if the person or group has enough dough to spring for an RV, what's another couple hundred of bucks.. especially if it's split a couple of ways.

Rob 2008-05-09T22:27:13Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#a7ab0e0a-3ffd-4442-84e1-ad5691d697fe 2008-05-06T04:52:52Z 2008-05-06T04:52:52Z

I love blind faith! http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080505/lf_afp/usreligionpovertyenergyoil

$item.owner.firstName 2008-05-06T04:52:52Z MdJGutie http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#9b927f03-ccf8-499d-864f-99b580689d70 2008-04-29T16:42:29Z 2008-04-29T16:42:29Z

Maybe $5.00 a gallon for gas will cut down on the number of RVs! Aside from the fuel to get there and back, running the air conditioner all day for a week is going to cost a bit.

MdJGutie 2008-04-29T16:42:29Z Ben http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#c3385f2d-3f30-4a6f-a41c-889ab818c4d9 2008-04-29T16:11:24Z 2008-04-29T16:11:24Z

fuck that. keeping a list of all the money i spend for burning man makes me sad. I'd rather not think about it. Overall though, i think this year will be cheaper for me. Last year due to time constraints (school) i had to fly out there and rent a car ($$$). This year i've got all the time in the world to drive out there. Even w/ the crazy gas prices It will still be cheaper for me this year (hopefully).

Ben 2008-04-29T16:11:24Z Kamikaze http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#95da96de-c9a7-42bf-9e86-87e0be6cd477 2008-04-29T14:32:51Z 2008-04-29T14:32:51Z

My old estimate was $1500.00 for an average Burner (I know... some spend in the tens of thousands and some backpack it in). I wonder what the total average cost will be this year. Keep a list/budget. This'll be a good topic Post Burn. Curious KK

Kamikaze 2008-04-29T14:32:51Z Kinetic http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#bb9149b6-db1c-4aee-97b6-5a0974e318cb 2008-04-29T14:03:12Z 2008-04-29T14:03:12Z

I won't be going this year. Between gas prices and 2 tickets that's $1600 easily that would be better spent on other things like relocation costs and continuing education classes. And if I wanted to take the RV I'd spend $3500 for gas and two tickets...ouch, I'll pass.

Kinetic 2008-04-29T14:03:12Z Dusty Feats http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#ae197f08-676e-40e0-87e7-4cd28cab3504 2008-04-29T10:51:12Z 2008-04-29T10:51:12Z

Interesting topic and one likely to be revisited in July and August! I wonder if there will be more than the usual number of already purchased tickets up for resale in a few months. But then again, high traveling expenses (as well as no ticket sales at the gate) might thin the crowd of at least a few of the "not-so-serious" attendees.

Dusty Feats 2008-04-29T10:51:12Z MdJGutie http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#f1c41ab6-a2cc-49a4-864b-ab13cecb1fd9 2008-04-29T07:32:52Z 2008-04-29T07:32:52Z

One of the local NPR shows had a segment on a shop that does conversions on old Mercedes diesels over in Silverlake. I think it was there that some guy was talking about how he buys vegetable oil by the case from Costco and it was like a dollar a gallon.

MdJGutie 2008-04-29T07:32:52Z Capt. Alien http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#2faa46e8-9cc9-4dce-8931-077de30a5ca7 2008-04-29T07:27:26Z 2008-04-29T07:27:26Z

I think Ill ride my bike in this year. It's better and more symbolic then driveling in this year. We should get a critical mass of bikes riding to the playa together. It's also a great way to bypass exodus traffic. Besides my american dream is to see everybody riding bikes.

Capt. Alien 2008-04-29T07:27:26Z Zig http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#63b6d33a-f931-4e29-b8c7-7103e63d305f 2008-04-29T07:11:21Z 2008-04-29T07:11:21Z

I know a bit about this so I'll throw down a few things :) 1) Straight Waste Veggie Oil can be used, BUT it had better be strained really well, AND washed with water (heated up, and water bubbled through it repeatedly) to get the salt and etc out of it. That being said, you cannot run a diesel on it unless it is already hot (160F), so you have to have a special dual fuel tank setup to do this. Go to "greasecar.com" and check it out. They have lots of facts. 2) Straight virgin veggie oil. Can be used, but still needs to be hot before use. Same deal.. UNLESS you mix it 8:1 (down to 4:1 if it is really cold out) with gasoline. Then it works like a powerhouse and no need to heat it up. Test it out yourself with a small amount of fuel. The gasoline reacts with the fatty acids and glycerine so they are able to go aerosol in the injector, and you actually get -more- power out of the fuel. This is NOT well known, and I verified that this works with a farmer in Kansas. He grows sunflowers along side his regular crop, and powers all of his equipment this way all year, including all vehicles. He came to the 8:1 ratio through bench testing of fuel injectors. He discovered while using it he was getting much better fuel economy than with petro diesel. 3) Real Biodiesel. This is veggie oil (although you can do it with animal fat too) that has been "single esterized" which means the glycerine has been taken out of the oil so that it can be used straight in the tank. No need for any additives, except in cold climates. The only modification you would likely need to do is to make sure there are no natural rubber parts in the fuel system since pure biodiesel has pretty good solvent action. If you are switching over to it, make sure you check the fuel filters often for the first month. My trip is going to be made mostly with Virgin Veggie Oil cut with gasoline. I can get bulk veg oil (50G drums of it) for less than diesel, and at 8:1 gasoline and better than 50MPG, it will cost very little to get out to BRC. I'll just carry my fuel with me :)

Zig 2008-04-29T07:11:21Z Ally http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#c08e176a-2651-461a-bf03-e775c75c3a67 2008-04-29T06:26:18Z 2008-04-29T06:26:18Z

I'm definitely going to look into the financial situation we'd need to be in for that kind of trip. It would be so awesome if we could, though! Also, keep the idea of volunteering for BM setup in mind, too. As for your parents loving me, what can I say? I'm totally lovable.

Ally 2008-04-29T06:26:18Z Jeff http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#9b0435ef-42ac-41c0-ad64-800fa378f9c2 2008-04-29T00:17:13Z 2008-04-29T00:17:13Z

I thought W was sending us all checks in the next month or so to cover the cost of gas to BM? I heard Jenna and Barbara were coming this year to help realize the theme.

Jeff 2008-04-29T00:17:13Z Sasquatch http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#919ba4ad-82bb-462d-857c-7bc56c852f47 2008-04-28T22:19:38Z 2008-04-28T22:19:38Z

A Metro? I don't know if I could get enough water into a metro for the week, nevermind my self : ). I'm pulling for you and find your determination reassuring. Sas

Sasquatch 2008-04-28T22:19:38Z Go Ask Alice http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#6cc5a968-5150-48ae-91c1-93a4b8d58516 2008-04-28T20:15:15Z 2008-04-28T20:15:15Z

We're going to try to go in an ancient Geo Metro instead of our Volvo station wagon. This means WAY less stuff... and less horsepower... and less air conditioning and stereo... but it will still get us there. ... I hope.

Go Ask Alice 2008-04-28T20:15:15Z .drayamonster. http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#3415bfd0-a584-4e4e-92f4-37271c51810b 2008-04-28T19:34:16Z 2008-04-28T19:34:16Z

hehehe yea good idea. still up for vegas prior to? cam and i are going out for the annual bbq, and will stay til we need to leave for burn due to otherwise we'd have to pay gas BACK to cal, and then BACK to nev. mehhh. ill see if i can talk my dad into you and ricardo staying out too. i dont know why not. my parents LOVE YOU. but yea. start saving for gas. screw food.

.drayamonster. 2008-04-28T19:34:16Z flackmaster http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#ff18aa6c-5ce8-4da2-b5d0-1e6a01217162 2008-04-28T18:46:06Z 2008-04-28T18:46:06Z

I am making money while I'm there since I use paid vacation days. I know not everybody has that kind of job but a lot of people do. As a vacation, it is pretty cheap campared to the traditional vacation that generally includes driving to several locations, motels, restraunt food, etc., etc. I probably spend less on food at BM than during a week at home or regular car camping.... booze?, well, I probably spend more.

flackmaster 2008-04-28T18:46:06Z Sasquatch http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#e958a889-987a-487d-90ea-05a987b89618 2008-04-28T16:57:09Z 2008-04-28T16:57:09Z

"In my case I finding that not spending doesn't offset not making money. I depend on the event it'self for that : )." To be clear, the enjoyment I get at the event tends to offset not making an income during that period : ). Gotta be clear on this list. Sas

Sasquatch 2008-04-28T16:57:09Z Sasquatch http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#54e22bd6-e16c-4f14-85a5-b400b9326379 2008-04-28T16:33:04Z 2008-04-28T16:33:04Z

Yeah Flack but what about not making any money those 10 days that you spend none? In my case I finding that not spending doesn't offset not making money. I depend on the event it'self for that : ). Also, I may not be spending while on the playa but I sure did spend before I got there (food, party favours, water, gas, etc.). Sas

Sasquatch 2008-04-28T16:33:04Z Ally http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#0691754d-95bd-4212-8370-cb16e3389858 2008-04-28T05:29:42Z 2008-04-28T05:29:42Z

psh. your car gets almost twice the gas mileage mine does! but, alas, that's the truth. pinch those pennies. actually, i think i'm gonna start putting money a side for a BM gas fund. Sounds good...

Ally 2008-04-28T05:29:42Z MdJGutie http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#ad25eafb-f04f-423b-982b-70464ed6d180 2008-04-28T05:17:18Z 2008-04-28T05:11:26Z

"most regular cars" Where did you get this info? Even diesel cars need modifications. http://www.dancingrabbit.org/biodiesel/vegetable_oil_fuel.php I used to work in auto parts and you'd be shocked to learn how little it takes to foul spark plugs and junk up fuel injectors. As for french fry oil being free, the MDs I worked at a hundred years ago sold the stuff, even back then. It was a corporate store, but most are privately owned franchises, so each store would be different.

MdJGutie 2008-04-28T05:11:26Z flackmaster http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#057870d8-c519-443d-ba4a-c6a5ded34ca1 2008-04-28T05:17:04Z 2008-04-28T05:17:04Z

I know that that the last three years I've been to BM that once I get there and park, I don't spend one cent... seriously, I have a propane fridge and make my own coffee... parking for 10 days without spending any money more than makes up for the increased gas price and what would spend if I were home.

flackmaster 2008-04-28T05:17:04Z MdJGutie http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#7efd7749-5062-46a1-a5e4-0b475136a9d4 2008-04-28T05:05:13Z 2008-04-28T05:05:13Z

It will make the trip more expensive. That's it. I've always managed to plan the trip into the ground and find that things change either just before I leave or once I get there. Every damn time. That may mean I'll decide to drive up with someone who will back out at the last minute or plan to drive alone and have someone I like need a ride at the last minute. I've learned that there's only so much you can absolutely depend on happening. Gas costing an arm and a leg may be one of those few things.

MdJGutie 2008-04-28T05:05:13Z Karen http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#bae3e9f8-157f-4d29-ab67-92d982585ec4 2008-04-28T04:50:40Z 2008-04-28T04:50:40Z

The whole gas price thing if our fault as it began to rise right after we bought our first used RV in October... 9 mpg - so I will not shop for "goodies" as much and save for burning man.

Karen 2008-04-28T04:50:40Z Octavia http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#a713d26f-bcc2-4db5-adb5-f2a87eb6d766 2008-04-28T04:32:26Z 2008-04-28T04:32:26Z

Hey, regular cars can run on used veggie oil without modifications. And it is almost the same mileage, maybe tiny percentage less. Go to your closest Mickey D's and ask them for the french-fry grease. It's free. But there has been no study as to long term usage of veggie oil in your car. May cause damage, may not.

Octavia 2008-04-28T04:32:26Z Ben http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#c7ed23a7-0d9a-40c3-b9d2-0706c044fdab 2008-04-28T04:26:24Z 2008-04-28T04:26:24Z

Carpooling is a must for me. Gas round trip out from Atlanta is going to be ridiculously expensive. So if anyone knows people looking for a ride from Georgia let me know!

Ben 2008-04-28T04:26:24Z Gold Guy http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#076fefe2-76be-4cc0-bda3-92f277692166 2008-04-27T22:35:22Z 2008-04-27T22:35:22Z

Car pooling is a great idea, except so many of us have no room left in our vehicle after the necessary gear. As for myself, everything I need fits in my car, but there is no room left for anything else. Maybe more people will start doing what people in the East coast do. They form a cooperative and pay to have their stuff shipped out in a shipping container. If more people did that in the SF Bay Area then they would be able to fill their cars with people. Might save a lot of fuel. Already most large camps have a communal truck to haul stuff, more effectient use of these coopeative truck arrangements might help.

Gold Guy 2008-04-27T22:35:22Z Andy http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#a98a72c6-7a2f-4756-97fb-66c400cb38b7 2008-04-27T22:30:58Z 2008-04-27T22:30:58Z

I suspect this will put a serious crimp on folks shipping stuff long distances or driving cross country. Expect a drop in attendance or at least level with last year. Remember 2000? Not only did the weather drive folks away, but the dot com bust as well.

Andy 2008-04-27T22:30:58Z Brigit http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#d8e9cb26-d4a1-49d2-8b3d-883c21dfea4a 2008-04-27T22:09:12Z 2008-04-27T22:09:12Z

We might try and get someone to ride along with us in the van conversion this year. In other words, carpooling. I would imagine there will be a lot more of that this year.

Brigit 2008-04-27T22:09:12Z wendell http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#2ee2ce83-6284-40e2-9bf8-2da097c81c98 2008-04-27T21:48:18Z 2008-04-27T21:48:18Z

>It'll be even higher along the route to Burning Man with Lee Vining (near Mono Lake)< Heard that regular was already $5.2? last week in Bridgeport. OUCH! Diesel has been running tween $4.00 at Safeway and $4.29 at our local Texaco. (Sparks, Nirvana) I lived in San Diego during the fuel crisis of 1979 when gas went over a buck and we used to drive to Tijuana to fill up and it was about half the price but heard from a few that it was much lower quality!!?? ~Wendell~

wendell 2008-04-27T21:48:18Z .drayamonster. http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#4c743c99-d56f-4160-a3b6-faad8bbac1f4 2008-04-27T20:54:25Z 2008-04-27T20:54:25Z

ouch. this trip is going to put a nice hole in my credit card. i guess like others said, just save money in all other ways possible. and pick up every single coin i see on the ground...

.drayamonster. 2008-04-27T20:54:25Z flackmaster http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#9b679dda-7db1-4253-98c6-efe366bf797e 2008-04-27T18:50:53Z 2008-04-27T18:50:53Z

Probably like the rest of America I will just compensate in other ways.... buy cheaper beer, less blinkies, probably won't stay in a motel on the way out or back and I'll get the $6.99 instead of the $12 buffet in Winnemucca.

flackmaster 2008-04-27T18:50:53Z marklar http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#16eb278d-0434-4547-aaf6-7547fa3f848f 2008-04-27T18:45:05Z 2008-04-27T18:45:05Z

in 'o5 it cost me $170 RT. at current (Portland, OR) diesel prices of $4.44, it's gonna be six or seven hundred RT. Sort of puts the pee in planning.

marklar 2008-04-27T18:45:05Z Kamikaze http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#3889f5a7-49d3-404e-8add-d590df92b9b1 2008-04-27T18:41:28Z 2008-04-27T18:41:28Z

My truck gets 100 MPG. Oh...wait... 10 MPG. I won't be there. It's a stretch to make the Regional here next week. KK

Kamikaze 2008-04-27T18:41:28Z cowboyangel http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#75cb6128-88e1-4195-bfca-00d64f3fde36 2008-04-27T18:17:24Z 2008-04-27T18:17:24Z

Truckers are already escalating road blockages. When airline costs go up, more stagnation follows. I'd worry more about the big picture man, than getting to Burning Man.

cowboyangel 2008-04-27T18:17:24Z Sasquatch http://bm.tribe.net/thread/ed8f493e-093c-4fc4-a26c-801388d38b64#40806b67-e36c-4483-b94f-b38ff2685f93 2008-04-27T17:37:08Z 2008-04-27T17:37:08Z

How will rising gas prices affect your trip? I'm worried for my own sake. Most gas is $4 or higher per gallon here in San Diego where we average around 50 cents above the national average anyway. It's quite likely to be over $5 a gallon come August. It'll be even higher along the route to Burning Man with Lee Vining (near Mono Lake)expected to be the hands down high price leader. They've for years averaged around $2 per gallon higher than gas in San Diego ($2.50 in SD, $4.50 to $5 in Lee Vining). Do you think it will impact you? Sas

Sasquatch 2008-04-27T17:37:08Z