http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#208cb5ac-5a4d-4070-a7b7-5aadde30fcc5 Yes Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:25:42 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#208cb5ac-5a4d-4070-a7b7-5aadde30fcc5 $item.owner.firstName 2008-11-26T22:25:42Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#3a9324b6-ec54-476c-adda-54c3cea0bd54 Crypto: > They do have Love Parade counter event Fuck Parade. Yes, but lots of articles have been written about the Fuck Parade in the German press. lyriclees: Does interfuse meet the rules below for "notability"? Has it been covered in secondary sources which are independent of the subject? If so, can you provide references? If you can do that, there should be no problem. If you cannot, then honestly, you don't meet their rules for being "notable" even if you are the most notable regional in the midwest. - - - "A company, corporation, organization, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject. The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources should be cited to establish notability. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability. Once notability is established, primary sources may be used to add content. Ultimately, and most importantly, all content must be attributable. The "secondary sources" in the criterion include reliable published works in all forms, such as (for example) newspaper articles, books, television documentaries, and published reports by consumer watchdog organizations[1] except for the following: * Press releases; autobiographies; advertising for the company, corporation, organization, or group; and other works where the company, corporation, organization, or group talks about itself—whether published by the company, corporation, organization, or group itself, or re-printed by other people.[2] Self-published material or published at the direction of the subject of the article would be a primary source and falls under a different policy. * Works carrying merely trivial coverage; such as (for examples) newspaper articles that simply report meeting times or extended shopping hours, or the publications of telephone numbers, addresses, and directions in business directories." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Companies%2C_corporations_and_economic_information/Notability_and_inclusion_guidelines Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:44:26 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#3a9324b6-ec54-476c-adda-54c3cea0bd54 Adam 2008-03-03T21:44:26Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#64a22753-a6c6-4ead-ba12-ecaa1d0f8148 even I think that the full text is too long to post....ha! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/InterFuse#InterFuse Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:33:24 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#64a22753-a6c6-4ead-ba12-ecaa1d0f8148 lyriclees 2008-03-02T20:33:24Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#37354eda-56fc-4d0b-960c-e0a9c4700850 looks like concensus is getting wierd and going towards classification of events as those that are popular, and those that are not..... update on my part of the post.... for the link likers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/InterFuse#InterFuse Comment: (from Realkyhick) That has to be the most long-winded AfD argument I have ever seen in nearly three years of editing. It's so long-winded, in fact, that it is terribly ineffective. But moreover, lyriclees is twisting my words to the point that he is engaging in outright falsehood. To say that my recognition that my recognition that Interfuse is "the most profound argument for continuation of the Interfuse entry" is patently absurd, and blatantly wrong. I recognize the status as a regional Burning Man event because the article says it is, and for no other reason at all. But that doesn't make it notable! More to the point, there are no reliable, INDEPENDENT sources that indicate whether or not the event meets notability standards. The official web site does not count, because its content is controlled by the event organizers, who may or may not provide accurate information about the event. Some guy named "Zay" is not a reliable source, more multiple reasons. The Burning Man project site is not an independent, reliable source, because it is affiliated with this event. To say that each regional Burn event should have its own entry because each letter of the alphabet is different and, ergo, each regional Burn is different — well, I'm trying to be polite here, but that make absolutely, positively no sense whatsoever. I take considerable umbrage as this editor's suggestion that I re-read "Five Pillars." As someone who has spent way too much time over the past 2½ years-plus writing, editing and policing Wikipedia, I'm bloody sure I have a very good idea of what Wikipedia is and isn't. It isn't a listing of non-notable subjects. Interfuse simply does not meet Wikipedia standards of notability, no matter what "Zay" says. If a newspaper or magazine that has no connection with Burning Man recognized this event with some sort of coverage (more than a trivial "coming events" announcement that any event can get), I woule be inclined to change my opinion. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:01, 28 February 2008 (UTC) Comment: (from Bry9000) Please be nice to the newcomers. So he wrote a lot and used one ineffective argument among all his other points; big deal. You write that the page doesn't have verifiable sources, but then you spend half your post above trying to disqualify certain sources. By those standards, a great deal of material on WP would be disqualified. A better conclusion is to let the largest regional Burning Man events have their own pages, merge the smaller ones, and give editors and fans a chance to find more independent sources. Several editors have argued emphatically that certain regional Burning Man events that claim a *small* attendance should be considered non-notable on the basis of attendance numbers alone. This is apparently not such an event; it claims 700 participants and is thus not "non-notable" by those same standards. Merge the smallest ones; keep this and other large ones. Bry9000 (talk) 16:32, 28 February 2008 (UTC) Comment: (from lyriclees) It seems that Realkyhick fancied themself slighted or insulted because I, a reader/user posted my "talk" that questioned their long standing (2.5 years) experience, much like the question posed about the legitimacy of fledgling Regionals. I requested that the pillars be re-read because Realkyhick assumes as stated above, the right to "police" Wikipedia entries. Call me old fashioned, but I think that information should always remain free from personal bias and from biased enforcers. In the pillars it calls for neutrality in editing. That is why I often referr to the information in Wikipedia. The discussion has gone from what is notable based on content of information, to notable based on attendance records, and thus classification of actual independent events as entries, to classification as popular and unpopular events. The events are actually for the participants, just as the information in this forum is for the reader/user. And once again a point that I tried to make, has been proven by Realkyhick's own response. What one might call indepth and expressive, might seem "long winded" to another. If it be deemed too long to read, it can of course be seen by the unfamiliar as ineffective. The entries should be left as they are, separate and simple, and as a user I'd ask that the editor that brought the entries into question should be sanctioned in what ever way that this site handles the issue. To give a few "chosen" regionals their own pages "especially" for demonstrating record attendance based on last years numbers again goes against the principals that the events are based on, and would only be decided as an appropriate thing to do by people who don't really know what they are talking about. The regional events are held based partially on geograhpy, hence the "Regional" title, not a need to gain local recognition or publication, something that's begining to look like a foreign concept here. A collation of regional events posted on the Burning Man Project entry page, each leading to their own page would show more neutrailty than a few chosen regionals garnering their own pages, (ie Finches and Darwin's Finches) but then that would go against the nature of the event which is to have the main event and the regionals stand alone on their own. Burners tend to call that self reliance. It is also pertinent at this point to direct any reader back to the Burning Man Project contacts for clarification about media involvment at any event and the need for participants to feel free, and to express themselves as such. It also allows each participant to not have to defend their view of the experience when bombarded with the perceptionally biased views published in a locally syndicated journal that prints most often what's fit to increase circulation. Unless a event has been experienced I don't expect any reader to "understand". That is why the events are posted as they are: so that if the entry sounds so interesting that personal research is deemed necessary, then specific event attendance information, called an "invitation", can be found using the links provided. Information not only about the rigorous process to be come a regional, but the ideals behind the regional events is posted on the Burning Man Project website. I directed readers there for information clarification. If the assumption stands that all information on the internet is an "unreliable" source, and that of course only "mass produced publications" are legitimate, fine, but then then some reasearch into propoganda might also come in handy. So unless this forum is advocating that every participant or "fan" become "deviants" of the event process simply to satisfy a purposeful lack of local independent sources that report on the events, I suggest that no one hold their breath for a "chance to find" more "independent" sources. If the media attends as participants, not as "writers with an agenda" then they might just create a piece that clarifies how notable the regional events actually are. And FYI, he's a she, but you'll have to take my word for it. lyriclees Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:35:12 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#37354eda-56fc-4d0b-960c-e0a9c4700850 lyriclees 2008-02-29T07:35:12Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#ee1a9422-1615-43ac-8cf1-d2fb2a6b78d3 seems wikiP has a festival standard of 5 years and 15,000 people or a significant historical origin. Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:00:58 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#ee1a9422-1615-43ac-8cf1-d2fb2a6b78d3 Hussein X 2008-02-28T10:00:58Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#322eba31-e837-414f-a66a-77dd416062b7 what would be so terrible about that? it's not like it goes on a paper that is sold with every leather bound set of encyclopedias. It happens, fuck it. Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:59:07 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#322eba31-e837-414f-a66a-77dd416062b7 Hussein X 2008-02-28T09:59:07Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#c7ec0685-baf0-4171-bc47-22b431283368 so here's my response to the call for action, and specifically to Realkyhick 12:37 CST, we'll see if it's still there tomorrow.... short stuff for the link likers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/InterFuse#InterFuse full text: Realkyhick made the most profound argument for continuation of the Interfuse entry in Wikipedia. Realkyhick noted that Interfuse is a Regional event of the Burning Man Project. I am of course assuming that Realkyhick is not a Burning Man Participant, thus Realkyhick's knowledge of the event and it's status as an approved Regional event, especially as such an authority on notablity, has demonstrated that the event entry is worthy of notice. Interfuse is by definition most notable in the Midwest because of its ability to unite the scattered Midwestern Burners to their culture throughout the region. But don't take my word for it, feel free to contact Zay, the Regional representative for the event. He can be contacted via the email address information found on the Burning Man Project web site. I've not included the link because I'm sure that you can find it. The Interfuse event entry is for the yearly "event", much like a lunar eclipse which does happen and is considered notable, but the entry is not an advertisment for the organization that sponsors the event, nor is it an advertisment for the Burning Man Community at large. Interfuse distinguishes itself from other Regional events because of it's namesake, but to post the information below would actually be in violation of "Wiki is no dictionary" guideline. (definition found at www.thefreedictionary.com): In`ter`fuse´ v. t. 1. 1. To pour or spread between or among; to diffuse; to scatter. The ambient air, wide interfused, Embracing round this florid earth. - Milton. 2. To spread through; to permeate; to pervade. Keats, in whom the moral seems to have so perfectly interfused the physical man, that you might almost say he could feel sorrow with his hands. - Lowell. 3. To mix up together; to associate Interfuse also holds certain truth's to be self evident at each event. Those truths are posted in the entry. At the Interfuse event they build a temporary city-community of tents, domes, light, dance, fire and music in the wilderness. They celebrate diversity continuously through out the event. Then they dismantle the city and Leave No Trace. Not only are all state and federal laws applicable and followed, but the event is re-themed to motivate progressive community interaction. Specific details about the current stages of the event can be found on the event's website, which was provided as a link. The effort and community participation necessary to hold the event year after year is a phenomenon in itself, but that is only an opinion. I'm sure that most participants and organizers feel the same way. But you won't find that statment on the page. I would suggest that Realkyhick re-read the Wiki five pillars that define the character of the project. In an effort to not insert personal opinions, arguments or experiences the article was written as an informative entry about the topic Interfuse, was concise, and with a neutral point of view. By no means perfect, it was a true representative entry about the event, simply because it was simple and included no upcoming and thus unconfirmable information. Each Regional event is a separate event. Each letter of the alphabet has a seperate entry, simply because phonetically it is different from every other letter. Each event that is a classified as a regional event, wether they be Burning Man affiliated or no, should have their own entry, simply because they are quite simply geographically different. I use Wiki on a regular basis, sometimes as a starting point for research, sometimes as a tool for clarification. Many who might use Wiki in the same way would lose valuable information in reference to the Interfuse entry if it were deleted. I personally would have liked to have seen previous art shown at the event on the Wiki entry. I followed the provided links and saw great examples of similarly expressive work, much like I what I experienced when I attended a regional out east, which happens to NOT be marked for deletion. Of course if works of art were included in the entry, there would need to be cross referencing, artist permission, and seperate pages created. Works of art should of course be listed on an artist entry page, much like each state lists "notable" residents. I know the last time I tried to devote time and energy to an artist page that had profound effect, was worth notice, not only by myself but to an entire neighborhood in New York City, it was of course scheduled for deletion by an editor much like your self: someone who wanted something besides actual "information". I might have been mistaken when I thought that "information" IS the most notable part of Wikipedia. If you would like to read published text about the Burning Man Community and find the actual atributes of a regional please see the listings on the Burning Man Project site. Feel free to contact anyone, listed, speak to them in person if you need to verify the existience of any Regional event, it's notablness, it's independence in and of itself. It is my hope that then those that would delete this entry would at least understand that somethings in reality, their distinction and discription, depend not on words, or on an opinion of them; they simply exist. A mere mention of them is sometimes enough for those looking for an entry about them. Contemplate deletion, but be first willing to part with something before any experimentation with the impermanent aspect of anything. Otherwise some might start to call ya a Burner(Burning Man). lyriclees Thu, 28 Feb 2008 05:41:14 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#c7ec0685-baf0-4171-bc47-22b431283368 lyriclees 2008-02-28T05:41:14Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#ff9f23f2-7d09-434d-b7ff-218012eb8060 visiting wikipedia to figure out how other events are treated. They do have Love Parade counter event Fuck Parade. But mostly what I get (perhaps because I can't think of a lot of events) is that the stupid theme shit haunts all sorts of events. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_parade http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rushcart And compared to "Prince Harry" "the Green Man" looks a little better. Thu, 28 Feb 2008 05:38:56 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#ff9f23f2-7d09-434d-b7ff-218012eb8060 Crypto 2008-02-28T05:38:56Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#b35c4756-ab3a-42f1-a49a-a2f177d77959 Crypto: > In fact, they may even be counter events. Or some of the regional could break away from the big burn. Are they going to be allowed their own page? The guidelines are posted below. According to the guidelines, the event will have to be notable. _If_ these spin off events are newsworthy, and written about in the pres, then they will qualify for their own pages. Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:56:13 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#b35c4756-ab3a-42f1-a49a-a2f177d77959 Adam 2008-02-28T04:56:13Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#775191ff-9cb5-43aa-a879-c3e83102efec At some point, we are going to have spin off events that are not condoned by the llc. In fact, they may even be counter events. Or some of the regional could break away from the big burn. Are they going to be allowed their own page? Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:45:24 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#775191ff-9cb5-43aa-a879-c3e83102efec Crypto 2008-02-28T04:45:24Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#6646ba02-d318-4871-b1e6-faef7de03ea0 I'm inclined to agree. Wikipedia isn't an events board. Information about regionals could just as easily be included in the main Burning Man web page. Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:42:13 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#6646ba02-d318-4871-b1e6-faef7de03ea0 Edward 2008-02-28T04:42:13Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#5f721c85-1d55-47b5-b77d-d935fd7e1514 " the Chicago Republican reporter who created the cow story, admitted in 1893 that he had made it up because he thought it would make colorful copy." Likely story. Somebody call the BBC. I smell a vast cover up being perpetrated by the "corporate press" to cover up the fact the O'leary's were members of Skull and Bones that were hiding alien bodies in the barn. Some day people will wake up and see the cow was truly a hero by giving her life to try to expose these lies! What will it take for people to open their eyes?? Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:08:29 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#5f721c85-1d55-47b5-b77d-d935fd7e1514 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-28T04:08:29Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#53f84fd8-f325-4234-9185-da9c194fb272 gee why would anyone have a problem with BM ???? hmmmm gee... Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:05:09 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#53f84fd8-f325-4234-9185-da9c194fb272 SynerGy 2008-02-28T04:05:09Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#7d6f93ab-7607-4eda-aa83-92e0f068633a Mmm. Wikipedia has no page for Mrs. O'Leary's cowshed. But they do have this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1871_Great_Chicago_Fire It's probably all made up. Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:52:28 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#7d6f93ab-7607-4eda-aa83-92e0f068633a Scott 2008-02-28T03:52:28Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#8702e91a-db95-41ac-a903-4732ebe42e38 That's rich! I bet there is one... Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:44:06 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#8702e91a-db95-41ac-a903-4732ebe42e38 Scott 2008-02-28T03:44:06Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#178488ff-7e2b-4ae3-83d2-a7114cb44292 that's what I think but that's not how their policies seem to act... Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:19:38 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#178488ff-7e2b-4ae3-83d2-a7114cb44292 Hussein X 2008-02-28T03:19:38Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#ca7dfc6b-cc06-4add-b3ad-1343bb6e028d My new argument is that Myschievia isn't a "A company, corporation, organization, team, religion, group, product, or service" which could be true.... Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:51:26 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#ca7dfc6b-cc06-4add-b3ad-1343bb6e028d Hussein X 2008-02-28T02:51:26Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#9dd04253-ab38-455b-8e5d-3ea0bb316b4b Dude, wikipedia is a different forum than their guidelines suggest. I know I am pushing the principle of identity along the horizon of political ambiguity, but still, dude! Looking at the policy here I guess Wikipedia is bullshit cuz I already responded thusly: The Texas Brawler's Response: As part of the Burning Man Network it should be articulated in its regional color because it really is unlike any of the other regionals. If anything the entry is a corollary to the Burning Man entry which is indubitably notable. The process of developing the entry will allow these differences to unfold for someone like you, the abstract detached knower that would like an overview of an experience or event simply by staring at Roman Characters on a computer screen. I don't know why it is not notable when it happens persistently and is capable of notation. But even with regards to what you mean, that the topic doesn't effect many people, could be said about many encyclopedia entries. Often historical events of "notability" or other human activities only involve a couple of people. You have no way of knowing how many people will be interested in a particular topic before the topic exists. You may have a good argument if you were the editor of Encyclopedia Brittanica or World Book, but the pedestrian and user constructed nature of this forum, taken in couple with its capacity to preserve the information (we aren't printing paper copies of this, I'm sure there is plenty of storage space for this document) make your claims irrelevant. How many people makes something notable? Should musicians that don't sell many records or authors that don't sell many books have their Wikipedia entry deleted until they sell an undetermined number and achieve your notion of notability? The official website of the event, as well as the 400 members of the tribe discussion group or the 600 members of the DFW Burners group, or 1100 members of the Burn Austin group on the Tribe message forum all stand as independent sources that can verify the facts of the article if you wanted to do the detective work. In the back files of those tribes are messages concerning many of the topics involved in the article. Again, this isn't peer reviewed literature that requires proper citation because it is a different form of knowledge, but not an unwritable one. Your epistemological standards of inclusion are improper in this instance. I will never be able to point to an academically credible source and say this is where they reference Myschievia and these other works were seminal in the field of Regional Burning Man and Myschievia studies. With regards to your thought that it is promotion rather information, you face two main difficulties. First, simply by existing it promotes the event by allowing any access to the knowledge that it exists, information and promotion are to some extent the same thing and that's etymologically defensible. Second, there is no profits sought in the activity. Myschievia is created by the people who participate in it and work and spend their own money to create an event that is open to all. No money is ever made. Also this form of promotion is not an advertisement because it is not invasive and actually requires the potential consumer (which I've already said is indistinguishable from knower because the existence of the topic simultaneously informs and promotes if you would like to view it that way) must actively seek the information. Yes, the Roman Colosseum we built was great, but weather or not to delete the Myschievia entry from Wikipedia is not evaluated on point system. We appreciate your cooperation in this matter. kold.lt.tx.brawler Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:47:43 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#9dd04253-ab38-455b-8e5d-3ea0bb316b4b Hussein X 2008-02-28T02:47:43Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#3ec70096-022f-4e7b-a087-66e82204495d If it's a Gilligan's Island re-run with a dream sequence, you could do both at once! Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:28:44 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#3ec70096-022f-4e7b-a087-66e82204495d Crypto 2008-02-27T23:28:44Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#05771f8e-12a8-4cb1-bb10-58a10ec703f8 It's aggravating, especially to the people who took the trouble to create the info. I kinda wish for minimal info and PR about Burning Man (in BRC), but I imagine Wiki has and will retain a full listing on that, as well they should. As for the regionals, it's probably a good thing if more people learn about them and spread the word. But I doubt if many people learn about these events on Wikipedia anyway. I'm undecided as to whether or not it is appropriate for an encyclopedia to list such events as the regionals. On the other hand, it's not like it's harmful in any way for the listings to exist. Little side note...I was an early dot-commer (but without the IPO wealth). When we were selling webserver software in 1996, and the possibilities were so wide open and yet to be explored, I suggested that it could lead to the world's largest, most accessible encyclopedia. Wouldn't it be cool, I thought, to have it be a system where individuals could add to it. But then I thought "Nah, 'cause people would add incorrect info, either on purpose or as pranks." I kind of forgot about it, but thought that maybe the existing encyclopedia publishing companies would eventually do something online. Thankfully, the good folks at Wikipedia were more creative and energetic than me. Ah well, time for me go watch another Gilligan's Island re-run and then take a nap. Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:18:04 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#05771f8e-12a8-4cb1-bb10-58a10ec703f8 Scott 2008-02-27T23:18:04Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#b7d28c2c-8189-4a19-abf6-a1b029bf0d25 Mrs. O'Leary's cowshed is a favorite. Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:49:45 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#b7d28c2c-8189-4a19-abf6-a1b029bf0d25 Crypto 2008-02-27T20:49:45Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#fd6cecf6-9c14-4d62-b78a-7db4cbf06067 I dare say that the first time that I went to the Ut.burn their wer only 80 every burn starts somwhere Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:35:54 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#fd6cecf6-9c14-4d62-b78a-7db4cbf06067 john 2008-02-27T20:35:54Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#d5878447-f445-401e-8c5a-b4f8b8512a6a Everyone, we still need peoples' participation on Wikipedia if these articles about regional events are going to be kept. Please sign in to http://en.wikipedia.org , go to the pages referenced above, and speak up in favor of keeping them. Better yet -- edit the pages themselves to make them more notable with more info, so they're less susceptible to deletion. Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:19:12 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#d5878447-f445-401e-8c5a-b4f8b8512a6a Bryan Buzz 2008-02-27T20:19:12Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#35ae88ff-cb30-49f5-a572-5f4d26307878 http://regionals.burningman.com/ Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:50:47 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#35ae88ff-cb30-49f5-a572-5f4d26307878 Metric 2008-02-21T17:50:47Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#bc5e1887-0ba8-4000-8929-3b52ba12f728 Real Burningman does not give a flying rat's ass about what is said about Burningman on wikipedia. http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9f91095d-fd42-4878-a7f0-779cf948afe3#78ad3c81-152f-4a7d-a2e2-542e5c48161f Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:31:52 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#bc5e1887-0ba8-4000-8929-3b52ba12f728 fko 2008-02-21T15:31:52Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#91fb30a7-496d-484c-b446-dc0ee082ddbe >I always knew Wikipedia was pretty much crap, but if one person with an axe to grind can actually have that much influence over entries without any checks and balances... well, it makes me trust the info posted there even less. < I actually think it's the over way around, thank goodness there are enough checks and balances that one person can clear entries that don't meet the guidelines for being there. If a 'significant event' is somehow reduced to a gathering with a couple hundered people all believing in the same thing then we should allow class reunions to be listed along with the Sunday masses as some of the larger places of worhsip that gather thousands each weekend. Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:44:42 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#91fb30a7-496d-484c-b446-dc0ee082ddbe Peter 2008-02-21T14:44:42Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#dcc47dd5-8a27-427c-8b92-bfc24fffe159 I always knew Wikipedia was pretty much crap, but if one person with an axe to grind can actually have that much influence over entries without any checks and balances... well, it makes me trust the info posted there even less. Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:27:09 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#dcc47dd5-8a27-427c-8b92-bfc24fffe159 Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2008-02-21T14:27:09Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#1045cce4-35df-4779-846f-60a8ca9e9866 actually, dusty, it looks as if someone is going on a rampage to delete all of the regional's pages in wiki... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regional_Burning_Man_events#Arizona about half of the regional pages are already gone. Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:27:03 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#1045cce4-35df-4779-846f-60a8ca9e9866 Penfold 2008-02-21T12:27:03Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#3328b089-53a7-4703-824c-2295151e0b7a Yeah, every fucking block party & bake sale should promote its own Wikipedia entry. Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:32:57 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#3328b089-53a7-4703-824c-2295151e0b7a Bob 2008-02-21T07:32:57Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#78cb69d8-73cc-4c75-8bec-3c38ebbc5b1d Agree with R. Wikipedia is not for **promoting** events or movements. Each regional should have its own independent web site, and links from the main Burning Man Wikipedia page. Tribe is for promoting your events, not Wikipedia. Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:25:40 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#78cb69d8-73cc-4c75-8bec-3c38ebbc5b1d Gold Guy 2008-02-21T02:25:40Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#711f12a1-8364-4eea-9c6a-7ef94662f57c thank you - i was at that party it was a great one!! and i agree, lets keep on keeping on... Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:13:37 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#711f12a1-8364-4eea-9c6a-7ef94662f57c jennie kay 2008-02-21T02:13:37Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#d2afb939-4daf-48d6-acb3-66f158e8925e Well, this sounds like an example of the weaknesses of complete free-for-all wikiness - especially relevant in all the debates about anarchy among burners. There was a somewhat interesting article on this topic in last weeks SFWeekly, about how one wikipedia user with a grudge can cause a gigantic amount of disruption. http://www.sfweekly.com/2008-02-13/news/wikipedia-idiots-the-edit-wars-of-san-francisco/full Oh, and as for R. 's ridiculous aasertion that regionals don't merit their own entries - come on. There are endless wikipedia entries on obscure comic book characters, forgotten tv shows, all sorts of things. To assert that all regionals should be lumped into one gigantic Burning Man entry is ludicrous. Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:57:37 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#d2afb939-4daf-48d6-acb3-66f158e8925e Kelly 2008-02-21T01:57:37Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#448e1524-9e90-4f5b-908a-f5af4fd1f228 wikipedia is not an encyclopedia, it is a journal of 'truthiness' in pop culture. it should never be taken as a valid resource and should be used for entertainment purposes only. Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:25:15 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#448e1524-9e90-4f5b-908a-f5af4fd1f228 StacycatS 2008-02-21T01:25:15Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#be8a8500-cc5d-488b-8bd8-9cf202835d59 ......Wikipedia is not all things to all people, its is an encyclopedia !! Burning Man has become an icon in our society, An original Idea, and as such requires an academic profile. ..I dont believe your "regionals" rise to such a standard. I dont agree with you, but I wouldnt delete your pages either. I just cant see why for academic purposes, your information would be relevant. It really does seem like you are using Wiki for promoting your event. Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:25:05 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#be8a8500-cc5d-488b-8bd8-9cf202835d59 R. 2008-02-21T00:25:05Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#6d62a503-d599-4190-bc7e-94db272eedb5 Is there a link to Realkyhick's user page? Will Wikipedia actually delete all of those pages based on the request of one single user? Can they be alerted that the requests appear to stem from some type of grudge versus actual merit, and in turn leave them be unless other users make the same delete request? Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:08:40 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#6d62a503-d599-4190-bc7e-94db272eedb5 Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2008-02-21T00:08:40Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#614384ba-5647-45c2-8e01-d2343c2a15ce That Buisiness 2.0 article about burning man mentioned the regionals. Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:30:27 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#614384ba-5647-45c2-8e01-d2343c2a15ce $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-20T23:30:27Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#5043dd52-7208-4b0f-8f6b-276a914deec7 Why dont people involved with these regionals just remake there info in a encyclopedia format. Fuck this little default world drone! Who made him the nazi police of wikipedia? Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:55:03 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#5043dd52-7208-4b0f-8f6b-276a914deec7 Kløne 2008-02-20T22:55:03Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#b81ed33b-15b7-4119-ae36-b5049d73f2e1 I think it's hilarious. The fact people are actually upset over this just makes it that much more humorous. A year ago somebody kept posting on Wikipedia that the "term" burner was a derogatory term used to describe both the cultish and the clique behavior of the event and places like this tribe. Sadly somebody kept erasing his/hers shit too and I think they just finally gave up. Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:52:21 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#b81ed33b-15b7-4119-ae36-b5049d73f2e1 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-20T22:52:21Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#c6c6dfa2-4ffd-439c-9388-d816096ed8c6 I found the guidelines for "notability". If the regionals wish to be reincluded, I would assume that you're going to have to show how and why you meet this criteria: "A company, corporation, organization, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject. The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources should be cited to establish notability. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability. Once notability is established, primary sources may be used to add content. Ultimately, and most importantly, all content must be attributable. The "secondary sources" in the criterion include reliable published works in all forms, such as (for example) newspaper articles, books, television documentaries, and published reports by consumer watchdog organizations[1] except for the following: * Press releases; autobiographies; advertising for the company, corporation, organization, or group; and other works where the company, corporation, organization, or group talks about itself—whether published by the company, corporation, organization, or group itself, or re-printed by other people.[2] Self-published material or published at the direction of the subject of the article would be a primary source and falls under a different policy. * Works carrying merely trivial coverage; such as (for examples) newspaper articles that simply report meeting times or extended shopping hours, or the publications of telephone numbers, addresses, and directions in business directories." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Companies%2C_corporations_and_economic_information/Notability_and_inclusion_guidelines I would assume that some of the events meet this criteria, and others do not. Just FYI. Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:52:12 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#c6c6dfa2-4ffd-439c-9388-d816096ed8c6 Adam 2008-02-20T22:52:12Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#74d92d95-1fad-4e45-bb57-40302b0e29a7 R: > Your regionals should be a foot note on Burningmans Wikipedia page. > The term "regional" implies that its is a portion of a larger entity. Regional events are actually unique entities rather than an actual portion of the original entity. But I think that you're certainly right with Decompression and Recompression. These are just other smaller events thrown by the Burningman Org, and should be listed on the Burningman (BMORG) page. Though even portions of something major can have their own wiki pages. California is just a part of the USA, but it certainly has it's own page. What is the criteria to determine if something is "notable"? In general though, isn't there are a guideline that people shouldn't write their own wikipedia entries? _Who_ created all of these regional pages? Were they created by 3rd parties with an interest to inform? Or were they created by the organizers of these events to inform, but also to promote their events? (serious questions) Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:45:46 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#74d92d95-1fad-4e45-bb57-40302b0e29a7 Adam 2008-02-20T22:45:46Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#ce8ff802-20fb-4d8c-9eaa-6dfc4a489978 Hehe. Also, there were two more regionals flagged which weren't with the main bulk of entries: Myschievia and Frostburn. Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:43:18 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#ce8ff802-20fb-4d8c-9eaa-6dfc4a489978 Kudra 2008-02-20T22:43:18Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#b025cb3a-796a-4279-8a3e-ad619f5f00f1 FYI the Declaration of Independence only had 56 signatories... roughly equivalent to the number of people who attended that one regional. You guys should go flag that one for relevance. Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:27:35 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#b025cb3a-796a-4279-8a3e-ad619f5f00f1 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-20T22:27:35Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#a6a6aca9-bcae-4222-8ee9-b490667a0bd4 If individual events are not "notable and verifiable" then yes, they should just be linked from the main list of BM regionals, but many of the pages flagged for deletion are for significant and verifiable events - in several cases they simply have no external links to secondary sources. I'm alerting people who may be involved and can add to the information available. Wikipedia is a fantastic resource, and does not allow advertising/propaganda. As such, it's very useful to Burners - the principles are upheld but allow information about individual regionals to reach a much wider audience, and with some authority. This resource should be available to people in as much as it is useful - and when people are obviously making a mass deletion then you have to ask why - and a look at the deleter's wikipedia user page will speak volumes. This is clearly a personal attack, being made simply because it can be. Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:16:29 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#a6a6aca9-bcae-4222-8ee9-b490667a0bd4 Kudra 2008-02-20T22:16:29Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#df9de117-1819-4c91-b7b4-50d05aef582e I'm on the excom for Kiwiburn and have alerted all our local folks to spread the word, and posted here and on the regionals forum on ePlaya but the formmail link for general regional info seems to not work for me... Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:10:09 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#df9de117-1819-4c91-b7b4-50d05aef582e Kudra 2008-02-20T22:10:09Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#f8cd61c3-5021-465f-b72e-fa92ebd91bd0 > "I beg to differ" < .....Then all of your "regionals" of BM should be listed in that foot note with a link to your site. If you have an entirely original idea that does not claim affiliation to a greater entity like Burning Man, that should earn you your own Wiki Page. Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:05:21 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#f8cd61c3-5021-465f-b72e-fa92ebd91bd0 R. 2008-02-20T22:05:21Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#06bf2bc1-6fba-4964-93e4-680db2b40f10 I beg to differ. Regionals, while being an offshoot of BMan, each have their own unique definitions. Just because something is a portion of a larger entity, doesn't mean it doesn't have it's own distinct characteristic, thus entitling it to its' own wiki entry. Besides, a link to each regional page is already listed as a footnote on the BM page. It seams to me Realkyhick has a problem with the BMorg. Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:21:28 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#06bf2bc1-6fba-4964-93e4-680db2b40f10 Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2008-02-20T18:21:28Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#3a4327ef-5c5d-433f-8cc0-930b6e2600ff ....Maybe Realkyhick is correct. Your regionals should be a foot note on Burningmans Wikipedia page. The term "regional" implies that its is a portion of a larger entity. The Wikipedia is a base of knowledge NOT your information board. Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:43:01 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#3a4327ef-5c5d-433f-8cc0-930b6e2600ff R. 2008-02-20T17:43:01Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#7618d0c8-6e28-46fb-ba05-44671ff077ec I suspect the BMorg has all the information necessary to verify events that are legitimate regionals. Have you alerted them to this? Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:59:37 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#7618d0c8-6e28-46fb-ba05-44671ff077ec Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2008-02-20T14:59:37Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#ee90008a-69a2-49fd-91cf-4f981d870122 Why not take our ball away and not play? i do love fire, but why waste fuel on a weak one? We just hosted Regionals dinner in Oakland this past weekend and it was grand!!! i was the beer wench and had a ball... over 200 peeps. So sad for angry user... Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:04:43 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#ee90008a-69a2-49fd-91cf-4f981d870122 marianne 2008-02-20T13:04:43Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#236ffda5-e5f0-4692-bc95-0fd2189075bf Wait... you wanna protest because otw you won't get as much press? And then fewer ppl will show up? What was the problem again? And are you sure you really wanna solve it? ;) Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:24:13 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#236ffda5-e5f0-4692-bc95-0fd2189075bf embersandsparks 2008-02-20T10:24:13Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#24711615-961d-469a-8c0e-1744ee220c78 thanks for this Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:10:53 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#24711615-961d-469a-8c0e-1744ee220c78 Fishbits 2008-02-20T08:10:53Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#498f6fc6-3dd7-4bc7-9a19-7709bbc724ca Hi folks, Don't know if any/many of you folks are active on wikipedia, but there appears to be a situation occurring with numerous Regional wikipedia pages being deleted en masse by one user [Realkyhick] who seems to have a problem with Burning Man. Now, Wikipedia does have some strict rules on relevance and authority, but the way this guy describes his justification for deletion is quite insulting. I've included the text of all deletions he's requested today, listed below (and available at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2008_February_20 ): ________________________________________ Recycled Rainbow Hey boys and girls, it's another regional offshoot event of Burning Man. Not notable in its own right, no independent reliable sources to verify anything in the article, appears to promote the event more than inform in an encyclopedic manner. This particular event had total attendance of 60. There's more guys hanging out on the corner down by the 7-11 right now. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:34, 20 February 2008 (UTC) InterFuse Another regional offshoot event of Burning Man. Not notable on its own, no independent reliable sources to verify anything in the article. (Sound familiar?) - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC) AfterBurn One more regional offshoot event of Burning Man. Not notable in its own right, no independent reliable sources to verify anything in the article, and I'm guessing that the attendance figure given (800,008) is a wee bit suspect. Seeks to promote, not inform. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC) Kiwiburn Another regional offshoot event of Burning Man, this one Kiwi style. Not notable in its own right, no independent reliable sources to verify anything in the article. The most notable thing about this one is apparently that the burn almost blowed up real good. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:26, 20 February 2008 (UTC) Ignition (event) Once again, another regional offshoot event of Burning Man. Not notable in its own right, no independent reliable sources to verify anything in the article. This event apparently isn't/wasn't even held after 2006. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC) [NüTopia Yes, ladies and germs, it's another regional offshoot event of Burning Man. Not notable in its own right, no independent reliable sources to verify anything in the article. In fact, there's very little to this article at all. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC) EmoTAZ Stil another regional offshoot event of Burning Man. Not notable in its own right, no independent reliable sources to verify anything in the article, appears to promote the event more than inform in an encyclopedic manner. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:21, 20 February 2008 (UTC) Recompression Another regional offshoot event of Burning Man. Not notable in its own right, no independent reliable sources to verify anything in the article, appears to promote the event more than inform in an encyclopedic manner. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:19, 20 February 2008 (UTC) Critical Massive Another regional offshoot event of Burning Man. Not notable in its own right, no independent reliable sources to verify anything in the article, appears to promote the event more than inform in an encyclopedic manner. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:17, 20 February 2008 (UTC) ______________________________________ ______________________________________ So, this needs to be countered. Edits should be polite, informative and include independent sites verifying information in the Wikipedia page as much as possible, Any press mentions of any regionals will be helpful. If you are involved with a regional which doesn't have a Wikipedia page yet - please begin one! I'm hoping if more people weigh in on this the guy will get bored and move on to other targets. Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:58:19 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/e5bee592-7c22-40d1-8ca2-718dd98977a4#498f6fc6-3dd7-4bc7-9a19-7709bbc724ca Kudra 2008-02-20T07:58:19Z