Looking to Rent (or Buy) an Art Car or Burningman transportation (inside Burningman) Vehicle
I will be there from Thursday to Sunday
Would be willing to pay someone Very Well for their Art Car and transporting Vehicle to Burningman.
Ideal scanario is to rent an Art Car for 1-3 days
Open to all suggestions and type of cars/transportation - Small or Larger
Willing to pay what is the Fair price. I can also pick it up in Reno
I will be there from Thursday to Sunday
Would be willing to pay someone Very Well for their Art Car and transporting Vehicle to Burningman.
Ideal scanario is to rent an Art Car for 1-3 days
Open to all suggestions and type of cars/transportation - Small or Larger
Willing to pay what is the Fair price. I can also pick it up in Reno
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 10:58 AMOh, dear god, let he flaming begin. Go! -
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 2:26 PMI guess it'd be a tad over the top to suggest it start with someone actually tossing gasoline on this person *and* their rented art care.
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 2:32 PM<I guess it'd be a tad over the top to suggest it start with someone actually tossing gasoline on this person *and* their rented art car.
Or would it? >
ONLY if you also have matches in hand.... -
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 3:05 PMNot if it were an OJ art car rented from Hertz.
But the hippies wouldn't find that peaceful enough. -
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 3:12 PM<<But the hippies wouldn't find that peaceful enough.>>
Just tell 'em it's incense.
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 11:17 AMA small but visible percentage of Black Rock City’s population participates by becoming part of the Mutant Vehicle (MV) community. With over 50,000 people and 500 MVs, the motorized few are in a position to affect the experiences of many.
tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/phot...402ffab492
Consider the limited community contribution of Mutant Vehicles that lack a basic strong conceptual direction towards visual or participatory elements and project a dominant base vehicle as foremost a means of travel.
tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/phot...feac5a799b
It is no small accomplishment to imagine, design and construct an exceptional Mutant Vehicle and it usually takes a well organized crew of resourceful and talented individuals with a considerable commitment of funds.
tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/phot...87d7de1b14
Clever but limited artistic masking of a motor scooter for primarily a convenience conveyor could just as well have been executed on a bicycle. As the quality of mutant vehicle's increases, fewer single occupant motorized transports would be invited in years to come without having major visual interest.
tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/phot...6902cdbc0d
Deciding which vehicles get licensed and which ones don't is one of the hardest jobs in the Burning Man community. Not every vehicle that applies for a license can or should be licensed. Hotties consider whether or not your vehicle will be able to capture every camera and eye as it rolls by.
tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/phot...2717860af9
What's your motivation? If convenience or personal conveyance is your primary goal, please rethink your desire to have a Mutant Vehicle on the playa. The only Mutant Vehicles to receive licenses will be radical works of art, or vehicles with a high participation factor. Yes, Black Rock City is huge, and can be a challenge to navigate. This is what bicycles are for!
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 12:25 PM"Mutant Vehicles should not represent the base vehicle" My base vehicle is badass. I don't want to cover it up. I add to it and make it a super pimpin playa roving assault to your senses!!!! Those ginormous buses still look like buses. I know the DMV has a hard job but please try to be a little nicer when you judge our art. After 10 burns my experience trying to get a license last year was just dreadful. -
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 1:59 PMwell, maybe a cadillac with a outhouse on the roof just isnt enough of a mutation any more.
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 2:15 PM"My base vehicle is badass. I don't want to cover it up"
That could become problematic for your continued invitation for return and playa licensing.
"After 10 burns my experience trying to get a license last year was just dreadful"
Was it "dreadful" because you did not like what you were being told about your vehicle ?
Mash-up or conjoined vehicles might fall short of being mutant vehicles, if they are best appreciated for their unique qualities while stationary. Similar to compulsive collection art cars, they are far to easy to replicate by most shade tree mechanics with half a snow mobile and a broken motorcycle or whatever bits of vehicles are lying around the shop.
Exceptional mutants benefit the playa with a visual image enhanced by motion. A giant ant is enhanced by motion. A Cadillac with a tractor cab and big speakers. . . . not so much.
Perhaps everything at BRC should be on wheels. Then we can sit around and have the "art" come to us . . . Just like a parade.
Last year over 500 Mutant Vehicles were licensed and around 300 static art pieces were placed on the playa.
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Dreadful License Experience
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 11:32 AMA couple of years ago, our camp decided we'd do a MV.
We'd had a large gift camp for several years. Seemed like the next step for us.
We filled out our application, (Pre register), sent it off, and received a nice response saying "Yes, bring this vehicle to BM. You still need to check in at DMV for safety check."
So we built it.
Actually, we did way more than what we put on the application.
So we get there, and the gal says, "NO, you can still see that it's a truck underneath".
Now that fact that there were several "Trucks" out there on the playa didn't mean anything.
The fact that there was a small car, with no decoration of any kind next to us with an EL wire butterfly that got a permit at the same time didn't mean anything.
And the fact that we had got a "Pre approved Communication from DMV" seemed to mean nothing.
We had sat waiting for over 2 hours, to be told, "No. You did everything you said you were going to do, and more, but now we've decided that you don't get a license, but other 'Trucks' and obvious cars do get a license."
I went back to camp, and thought about this for a while.
I'd been nothing but friendly. We had a Pickup base that was decorated and light up with animations and had made benches in the back to haul 10 to 14 people around the playa.
I went back and just laid it out. "We were told YES, bring this to the playa". We did what we said, and more. Now you tell us NO ??
I basically guilted her into looking at it again, and going up the chain of command.
We got a daytime license. But it took almost 5 hours to do it.
We went back at night for the nighttime license.
By then, a friend had said they were working at DMV that night, and we should come by then.
Apparently, it's pretty subjective.
We arrived, our friend gave us the permit. We went out and gave rides around the playa.
UNTIL, a Ranger came by and noted that the night permit we had was for the YEAR BEFORE.
It had the same number on both the day and night tags. But the sticker was from the year before.
We went back to the DMV the next day.
4 hours more, after this guy was convinced that we'd pulled some sort of scam, because it "Could Never Happen that DMV would make that kind of mistake".
So, we spent 9 hours at DMV to get the licenses we needed.
So much for Pre Registering. So much for the "Word" of DMV.
And when they make a Mistake, It's "YOUR FAULT".
That last line pretty much defines bureaucracy.
We had the same experience many times over that year.
We no longer come as a large gift camp.
We don't try to bring art cars.
We went back to being "Self reliant" instead of trying to fight bureaucracy.
And the playa loses out on our "Gifts".
But that seems to be what the BM Bureaucracy wants.
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 6:44 AMthanks for the long, but already reviewed resources you posted.
nowhere on the site does it say anything about renting or borrowing an art car/mv
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 12:14 PMRed says:
"If convenience or personal conveyance is your primary goal, please rethink your desire to have a Mutant Vehicle on the playa. The only Mutant Vehicles to receive licenses will be radical works of art, or vehicles with a high participation factor."
wish that were true!
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 8:12 PMThe DMV doesn't fashion poorly executed Mutant Vehicles that make a minimal contribution. Consider the limited community contribution of Mutant Vehicles that lack a basic strong conceptual direction towards visual or participatory elements and project a dominant base vehicle as foremost a means of travel.
If you aspire to give the community the very minimum in return for your own maximum ability to drive at the event, then the blame for lousy mutant vehicles lies squarely with you and not the DMV
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 3:26 PM"Those ginormous buses still look like buses"
Pointing towards others with the childish reasoning of "but look at those guys" is not likely to get you anywhere. Perhaps you should consider that after ten years, creative inflation and a "raised bar" and 40,000 more people, your vehicle is just not making the cut.
Thump thump, jiggle jiggle vehicles that contribute more to you than the community are on the way out. -
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 6:07 PMI don't have any pictures posted of the car from this past year... The picture you viewed is from a couple of years ago... We added alot more things this past year. Anyway, I understand what y'all are saying, I just don't agree with the rule.
"Pointing towards others with the childish reasoning of "but look at those guys" is not likely to get you anywhere" I agree with this but I believe everyone should be held accountable to the same rules.
"Thump thump, jiggle jiggle vehicles that contribute more to you than the community are on the way out" This is a very subjective statement. I strongly believe that our car brings alot of joy to the community and this is evident in the many many people who dance around it / on it all week long...
Again, not looking for a fight. I just don't agree with the rule. That being written I do conceed that our car will most likely not be making it to the playa this year. -
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 6:23 PMjust remember this, shellymost... this is the Department of MUTANT Vehicles, NOT the Department of Art Cars. with increased participation, it is becoming more and more difficult for DMV to rationalize the inclusion of art cars vs true mutant vehicles. so many people are coming up with truly amazing things and then you see a caddy with a out house on the roof.... not too terribly impressive. or someone wanting to bring a minature model t vehicle and he gets pissed cause we said no. oh and another thing. art is not judged. degree of mutancy is. how many barbie doll heads you can glue onto your vehicle isnt a mutant.
as for everyone being held to the same rules.... that is more than likely why you had such a hard time last year. because the hotties were trying to hold you to the same rules they have for true mutantized vehicles, and you didnt hold up very well. not saying all this to hurt your fealings, i swear i'm not. wish you would join DMV to see some of the agonizing decisions we have to make. its not easy, trust me.
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 6:22 PMART Matters! cuz you want your deposit back!
you lazy clueless dipshit,
well i got a car for you. it'll be perfect and it's name is "Carrie." -
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 6:36 AMlazy, clueless dipshit, eh? Nice one. Is that your way of practicing radical self-expression? Well, here's mine - *middle finger
"There are no rules about how one must behave or express oneself at this event (save the rules that serve to protect the health, safety, and experience of the community at large); rather, it is up to each participant to decide how they will contribute and what they will give to this community. "
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 9:41 PMNo worries Elle! New for 2008 will be an art car rental lot where you or your camp can rent your choice of over a dozen fabulous art cars! Whether you need a golf cart for an hour or a gigantic party bus for the whole week, Artie and Bernie's art car rental is the way to go! Of course, commerce is technically prohibited at Burning Man, and there's only a limited number of art cars available, so you'll need to make your arrangements beforehand and send Artie and Bernie a blank check made out to Cash. Message me for further instructions.
MAKE YOUR OWN ART CAR OR RIDE A FUCKING BIKE YOU GODDAMN CAPITALIST SWINE!
Burning Man is a WEEKLONG event! -
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 6:39 AMWow? and like OMG - is gas, like, included in like, your rentals? *twirls bangs
I'll fucking ride a bike AND rent a fucking art car...
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 9:51 PM"At the level of your current mutation, you will not be invited back"
Each year border line applicants are warned that unless they continue the mutation of their vehicle, an invitation to the playa in future years is doubtful. Base vehicle recognition for all but the largest vehicles has become a unacceptable unless the community contribution is remarkable.
Vehicles that offer little more than a large sound system could just as well operate in a static location. One of the most often heard complaints about MV's is the disrespect they show to the community with loud audio intrusion at art installations and playa performances.
An attitude of entitlement for mobile transportation is unrealistic in light of the fact that only around 1 percent of the attendants to the event or a little over 500 mutants have typically been approved for license. With the "creative inflation" of 50,000 citizens of Black Rock City, some vehicles approved in past years are finding they need to consider what they offer for us all and not just themselves.
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 10:00 PMi saw this mobile dome once, mostly an suv with a geodesic dome around it. there were some hotties shaking their booties on it, and it was blasting some pretty sweet music... but i could see the suv in the center easily. i'm glad you all passed the mobile dome, because i thought it was actually really cool, and fun.
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 9:20 AM>An attitude of entitlement for mobile transportation is unrealistic in light of the fact that only around 1 percent of the attendants to the event <
What' s the percentage of mutant vehicles or golf carts to staff? I'm not talking about shared vehicles, for example, the Artery having a cart to do check on art. But a cart that someone has in their name for a week, or on call for them.
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 10:30 PMOh come on guys, don't bother responding to this troll bullshit.
Oddly, there is a friend of mine who has an art car and probably will not be attending this year (recent birth of first child!!! :-).
I was thinking about asking him about using his art car for a reasonable fee.
Hmmmmm.....
the post might be troll bullshit, but such things do happen. No sense in having a good art car sit for that week. -
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Uhm ... kids ... jes a minuto, ok?
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 10:39 PMI saw the post from someone with no info and no friends and had the same reaction as everyone else, but ...
There are some people with physical limitations, for whom the ability to rent/borrow/steal an art car is absolutely critical to their ability to attend the event.
So having that in mind, I guess we're all so cool and Burner-ish that we should just recommend that this person should show up, and steal an art car. Fuck, just because she's not Jim Mason doesn't mean she's not entitled Do What She Wants ..... -
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Re: Uhm ... kids ... jes a minuto, ok?
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 10:44 PMUh no.
Noboyd needs to have an art car to attend Burning Man. The physically challenged can have a vehicle for transport, they don't need to buy or rent an art vehicle. Of course the vehicle they use ought to be mutated in the spirit of Burning Man, but I don't think that is necessary.
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 10:52 PMDisabled licenses are issued by the DMV to participants with physical disabilities. Just like Mutant Vehicles, you must pre-register in order to get a license to operate a Disabled Vehicle. Go to the Disabled Vehicle Application to register. Remember you must register before the deadline.
The criteria for licensing a Disabled Vehicle include:
Providing a city or state issued disabled placard with the accompanying identification card. The name on the card must match the applicant.
A standard of safety for your vehicle and its occupants
Physical inspection of the vehicle on the playa
Past behavior and current behavior (violating driving rules at Burning Man is cause for revocation of your license, impound of the vehicle, and possible ejection from the event)
The following vehicles will not be licensed:
Vehicles larger than pickups
Vehicles having multiple levels
Vehicles with trailers
RV's
Motorcycles
ATV's
burningman.com/on_the_pla...riving.html
Burning Man Disabled Persons Vehicle Pre-Registration Form
forms.burningman.com/disabledq2008
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 11:00 PMI was hoping she was Elle McPherson. She could rent my "mutant vehicle". -
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 6:43 AMhoney, your "mutant vehicle" ain't big enough. -
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 8:54 PMSo clever.
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 9:05 PMIf mines not big enough, perhaps you could rent one.
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 12:49 AMThis may come as current news to some, but as part the post playa planning after the 2003 event, the DMV changed the terminology from Art Car to Mutant Vehicle. The art car community exists beyond Burning Man and the DMV is not determining whether or not something is art, but rather if something fits the criteria for vehicles driven on the playa during the Burning Man event. This change was undertaken to clear up some misconceptions about the DMV mission and clarify concerns about base vehicle recognition.
What is not considered a Mutant Vehicle?
Unmutated vehicles of any kind
Vehicles that primarily represent the base vehicle.
Vehicles only stripped to the frame and engine
Street vehicles with minimal changes
Low riders, classic cars, monster trucks, custom motorcycles, and hot rods
(there are other venues for these vehicles to be appreciated)
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 10:52 AMThanks Red and JarJar... I still might not totally agree with the rules but you have made me understand and think about some things. -
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 7:16 AMElle,
You'll probably have better luck on these tribes :
mutantvehicle.tribe.net/
tribes.tribe.net/bmmv
Keep in mind that art cars are not allowed at BM but mutant vehicles are, the difference being that art cars still look like cars, no matter how dressed up or how much stuff is glued to them. You will find that the majority of BRC will be of the opinion that you should build one yourself. There were some Hollywood types who commissioned an artist in the Bay Area to build one for them last year, then had it trailered to the playa, etc. These were A list movie stars and I have no idea how much it cost them but I'm sure it wasn't cheap.
The deadline for registration of mutant vehicles is the end of this month. So it's pretty late in the game to go this route. Even then, vehicles aren't granted the right to drive on the playa until they are inspected by the DMV at the event.
So that leaves you with finding someone who will rent one to you, someone who has done all the ground work and is pretty darned sure it will pass muster on the playa. I'm sure with the right amount of cash you can find someone but it won't be easy IMO.
The other option would be to approach someone on the playa, but that would be considered commerce on the playa and is very frowned upon, you are likely to get lots of "fuck offs"
Good luck
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 7:49 AMThank you. Now, this is a response worth reading. -
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 8:28 AMIf you look past the anger and vehemence of the reactions you've received (typical of message boards) you'll see what's really being said. A mutant vehicle is the creation of somebody who wanted to express an artistic vision on the playa and to offer an experience to the community, not somebody who wanted a cool and easy way to get around. I don't know if you're a virgin to the event, or how well you understand what it means to most of the attendees, but most veterans feel that the magic of the event is diluted by people who come to spectate, not participate. Your interest in renting an art car strongly suggests that you will be a spectator, not a participant, and that you will not be bringing anything to contribute towards making the event better. -
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 9:13 AMUncle Sticky, now THAT was a response worth reading.
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 9:24 AMYou're welcome.
>The deadline for registration of mutant vehicles is the end of this month. So it's pretty late in the game to go this route.
Actually on second thought I take this back. Only the application has to be in at the end of the month, there are still several months to build the actual vehicle, so if money isn't an obstacle (I'm not making an assumption either way) there are plenty of artists in the Bay Area who could use the work. -
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Re: ***Looking for an Art Car for Burningman 2008***
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 9:31 AMAlso keep in mind that having a mutant vehicle on the playa comes with responsibilities. Mutant vehicles on the playa are considered public transportation.
You don't have to tolerate people trying to jump on your moving vehicle or if you are fully loaded you can just politely tell someone you don't have room at the time, but you are expected to give people rides if they ask and you can safely do so.
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