Tribe.net. Local Connections Spanky http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#73e32cbd-1e7f-4273-be2e-b67adb15a94b 2006-07-30T07:15:56Z 2006-07-30T07:15:56Z

Oh... and BTW... for anyone who wants to come help light BRC... PLEASE DO!! You can find our workspace in Center Camp at 4:00. We start working at 5PM every night, it takes a couple of hours max, it's fun, it gives back to BRC, and we gift all our volunteers a nice piece of schwag...

Spanky 2006-07-30T07:15:56Z Spanky http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#f75b0dea-6811-43ad-9a52-b8551885565f 2006-07-30T07:08:25Z 2006-07-30T07:08:25Z

For you folks on the new spokes with lighting concerns... I have it on good authority Lamplighters will be lighting 4:30 and 7:30, like we light 3:00 and 9:00. Hopefully, we'll be able to hang lanterns all the way to the back of the spokes. We're adding around 20 lanterns each side... I think, and while it's not a TON of light, hope it helps!!

Spanky 2006-07-30T07:08:25Z prophecyboy http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#3ad27e8c-5b86-4456-954c-24074353f844 2006-07-30T01:50:31Z 2006-07-30T01:50:31Z

whoa!! very awesome indeed!

prophecyboy 2006-07-30T01:50:31Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#da21084f-60ae-4de1-9332-df44af859241 2006-07-29T19:01:39Z 2006-07-29T19:01:39Z

There are so many camps offering coffee that there are spread around. Which is delightful, especially for someone like me. Tip: if one day you are interacting with and I am cranky, that usually means I need a black coffee. Especially in the morning. And I have been espresso addicted pretty much by the age of 10ish. I can tell you that one of the things that sucks being a placer is to have to set up the alarm clock everyday at 6AM. So... no worry, it will be more about having your favorite place ! Especially on the avenues, of course... :-) Frog

Eric 2006-07-29T19:01:39Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#dbd6870c-39f9-475b-bb0b-973b0c79e570 2006-07-29T16:47:59Z 2006-07-29T16:47:59Z

This is not a rule ! And it would not be always possible anyway. And DMT and Death Guild are not that closeby anyway. Like about 600-800 feet away from each other. Frog

Eric 2006-07-29T16:47:59Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#3090c303-14ba-4ea7-91e9-ed37c805fb6f 2006-07-29T06:41:54Z 2006-07-29T06:41:54Z

Moon, In some instances... putting like camps next to each other may seem like a good idea. But I would have chosen to not have put coffee and cafe' camps close together on 9:00... spreading around the caffeine could have been another way to go.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-07-29T06:41:54Z Moon http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#14207e40-cdc9-4990-a8c9-cdda23615f8c 2006-07-29T06:19:02Z 2006-07-29T06:19:02Z

BryTree - that's awesome, thanks for doing that! However - wow! I am now completely confused, though not upset in the slightest. Frog - you said you guys put camps with similar themes and activities together... I got the similarities of the Zombie Dome/Cockroach Theater and with a stretch the Shadow Chamber... what with the chill sounds, the open mic stages and all... But ~ How is DN similar to the Death Guild or Space Cowboys? I'm just curious as to how this all was deemed similar in themes...LOL

Moon 2006-07-29T06:19:02Z Moon http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#63a1b25b-6ff1-41bb-8064-88d190a197a7 2006-07-29T05:52:53Z 2006-07-29T05:52:53Z

Okie, I might do that one too. I still want to go with the idea of pirates and finding booty in those distant lands, er...I mean spokes on Tuesday. :)

Moon 2006-07-29T05:52:53Z Moon http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#7472f191-ac16-4af3-b3e5-ea36ec1bdfd0 2006-07-29T05:43:10Z 2006-07-29T05:43:10Z

My camp was lagging on being gungho about our frontage until the placement list was posted. Wooboy did that ever light a fire under everyone's butts! I think we're having to get another source of transport just for lights, frontage and carpeting! Am I the only one nervous about being bright enough and cool enough? Our placement may have made us giddy, but it's giving me a heart attack trying to make the camp worthy of such a spot. Holy cow...I hope that didn't sound bad. I'm just a nervous wreck right now trying to get everything done in time.

Moon 2006-07-29T05:43:10Z Moon http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#e6b7b5af-46f2-487c-87c8-1abdbc0c0dd5 2006-07-29T05:34:01Z 2006-07-29T05:34:01Z

Yay! Kewl! and you know you're always welcome at Divination Nation. I'll try to grab as many of my campmates as possible one day and have us all go hunting for you and your camp. If we make a game out of it, we can try to get random people to join the hunt and we can invade! Mwahahahaha! *teehee!* Anyone want to make Tuesday - Hunt a Theme Camp Day with me? Try hunting down a few of the big camps stuck out in the boonies - get to know them, bring them gifts...then spread the word of the treasures we found! We can dress as pirates! Woohoo! Booty!

Moon 2006-07-29T05:34:01Z Moon http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#2ae2d056-ba11-493f-9f94-4ab9eb8e01e6 2006-07-29T05:17:01Z 2006-07-29T05:17:01Z

well, there is always asking other camps who are actually on the Esp if they would mind having it parked across from their camp. Maybe in trade for something. Ya never know...

Moon 2006-07-29T05:17:01Z prophecyboy http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#a17d4f0a-c26c-46f1-9755-f36e32c6f740 2006-07-29T04:14:32Z 2006-07-29T04:14:16Z

i'm all for a little pokey action!

prophecyboy 2006-07-29T04:14:16Z BryTee http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#9a41183e-674c-4647-bcb5-ec872e3e1fdb 2006-07-29T04:10:58Z 2006-07-29T04:10:58Z

Sorry about the title, I used the previous year as a template, and I was paying more attention to the spelling and sorting, but I fixed it now. Thanks!

BryTee 2006-07-29T04:10:58Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#32cb615f-f4ab-4820-8dfa-8994be7453dd 2006-07-29T00:58:39Z 2006-07-29T00:58:39Z

You are correct. That, and also the two extension of 3:00 and 9:00 Eric

Eric 2006-07-29T00:58:39Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#45e48c48-83e6-4786-9ecd-48fd7c4905ee 2006-07-29T00:55:45Z 2006-07-29T00:55:45Z

It's the Poke a Spoke Party!

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-29T00:55:45Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#734b3c11-2add-4869-8946-2e430188f209 2006-07-29T00:54:47Z 2006-07-29T00:54:47Z

We sent emails to all the camps which were not placed. Of course, we get a lot of email errors, including anti-spam filters, invalid addresses, etc. Perhaps you have not received that email. The "no placement" email was sent last Sunday. Precisely to give people a chance to react. About 3 camps were placed after that email was sent. No, you will have to wait until Monday 28th to enter the city. The placement team works hard to make sure that the city will not be flagged out when you enter (and this process does not make us have more friends :-)). We are actually pretty good at that process. Frog

Eric 2006-07-29T00:54:47Z Hylo http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#c87ceb4c-db6a-4ab3-9b4a-67a47a8eb65c 2006-07-28T23:55:51Z 2006-07-28T23:55:51Z

ok for all camps already given land... How about some of us that were not placed in a theme camp area? Are the camps that were rejected still able to show up sat or sun and find a place in a non-theme camp area? Will we be removed from the early arival list? Will we just have to stay mobile and wait to set up till monday? We had plans for events monday that no one will be able to find. Glad I didnt get anything published in the What nowhere when. yeah I am kinda pissed. I was not contacted about anything... given a chance to trim down our size... nothing. I filled out my app just like anyone. I drew up maps and got all my peeps in line for creating a clean earth friendly camp. Everything I had the last two years I was a theme camp with a whole lot less. I figured more was better. Maybe I didnt have enough blinky lights. Well thanks for all your hard work. Im sure it wasnt easy. I hope and fear the day I get to the playa. Is this all part of the theme?

Hylo 2006-07-28T23:55:51Z prophecyboy http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#e4806b64-9b3a-42a0-b54d-6f9bcadb13ac 2006-07-28T23:20:02Z 2006-07-28T23:19:37Z

i think it's rad that people from the org are responding on tribe. if anything, i've never felt more connected to the decisions being made with BM if it wasn't for ongoing discussions being held here. for what it's worth. serious kudos to both of you. (andie and frog)

prophecyboy 2006-07-28T23:19:37Z Trilo http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#7c40b146-b188-4c21-93c5-a363cf32b0fa 2006-07-28T23:17:05Z 2006-07-28T23:17:05Z

Tony - I'm not entirely sure, but I think there's more than one french guy running around out there. I know of a few offhand, however none of them are involved with the placement teams. ;-) Andie - well said. Over 500 camps to place in a couple weeks' time can't be easy. I really appreciate that someone's taking the time to try and respond to people here. ~Trilo~

Trilo 2006-07-28T23:17:05Z prophecyboy http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#0f68f8f0-d383-4f26-84cf-a178089cbd71 2006-07-28T23:09:10Z 2006-07-28T23:09:10Z

that sounds fantastic! perhaps i will join you! i'm not sure which backstreet addresses to add, this was just in response to those lovely theme camps who are concerned with not generating/getting traffic. so i wanted to help provide traffic! perhaps i can start one on another night. but wednesday for sure! woo hoo! i am getting excited again about the playa! i was a bit nervous i'd feel lonely out at 9 & eager... but now i think i'm going to have a GRAND time!

prophecyboy 2006-07-28T23:09:10Z Mercedes http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#b9a4aceb-d697-4336-b1cf-fbc592d81625 2006-07-28T22:55:05Z 2006-07-28T22:55:05Z

Well Frog. just to let you know. My camp is abosolutley thrilled with our placement. i believe we had to shrink in size a bit to get it, but we were happy to do that. I'm with Divination Nation and from all us. Thanks. (Just thought you may like a little possitive)

Mercedes 2006-07-28T22:55:05Z Heidi http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#aa454459-c8bb-4c97-a0cc-23578fc8a34b 2006-07-28T22:44:43Z 2006-07-28T22:44:43Z

There must be a reason they call you ProphecyBoy. It's already underway, my friend! It's the Drunken Miners Bar Crawl. We crawl the backstreets Wednesday night looking for little bars and camps, descend, get another drink and head off again! One art car's hauling folks, but we could really use more artcars participating! (with designated drivers, of course!) Check it out! http://www.burningman.com/calendar/playa/view_entry.php?id=4397&date=20060830 Start your own and try to run into us, or join us in our own traveling debauch! (any small backstreet addresses we should aim for? Speak up!)

Heidi 2006-07-28T22:44:43Z prophecyboy http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#ff080f75-f6c3-4451-a391-0597c0739795 2006-07-28T22:28:55Z 2006-07-28T22:27:55Z

i say we gather a group of people and organize an avenue hopping party. (kind of like a bar-hopping party) and hop from cool camp to cool camp through the avenues and the spokes. maybe the group will grow larger as we hit each camp. in fact. fuck it. i'll just start it. whoever wants to join can join! let's say, wednesday night or somethin... i'll start at the 9:00 plaza and work my way around! (or perhaps i'll end at 9:00... haven't decided yet.)

prophecyboy 2006-07-28T22:27:55Z spectabilis http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#327734b6-ce66-4f01-be71-99dfa9aedf50 2006-07-28T21:33:46Z 2006-07-28T21:33:46Z

cool, thanks, and yeah its been two years. i think it was what spawned the keyhole plaza's if i remember right.

spectabilis 2006-07-28T21:33:46Z StacycatS http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#279f9bef-d10b-4141-8b02-0468f88cbbd7 2006-07-28T20:46:28Z 2006-07-28T20:46:28Z

while i dont agree with everythig, you all work super hard and i always have mad respect for that!

StacycatS 2006-07-28T20:46:28Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#21687470-d6e3-4039-adfa-5537093e0b53 2006-07-28T20:08:05Z 2006-07-28T20:08:05Z

Ok. Anyway.. wasn't me. And never had a plan to go with CJ anywhere :-) Eric

Eric 2006-07-28T20:08:05Z Andie http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#32b81bc2-46f6-457e-b071-c6b4516dbfc4 2006-07-28T19:40:44Z 2006-07-28T19:40:44Z

BIg ups to Frog and the placement team for tackling the impossible: trying to please the largest number of people with a limited amount of space to do it in. I appreciate how hard it must be to do this task at this volume. Wow!

Andie 2006-07-28T19:40:44Z StacycatS http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#390f7c1d-a294-43c7-b4fd-29178a00857a 2006-07-28T19:19:19Z 2006-07-28T19:19:19Z

no harm done, christina! have a good year on the playa :)

StacycatS 2006-07-28T19:19:19Z Seven_the_Singed http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#df43abe8-a11d-45b2-8e34-a83eaa957eed 2006-07-28T18:02:09Z 2006-07-28T18:02:09Z

This is one of the best sites!!

Seven_the_Singed 2006-07-28T18:02:09Z Tony http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#50a8b0dc-1995-428e-9c88-abbd401714cd 2006-07-28T17:56:12Z 2006-07-28T17:56:12Z

Call it an accusation if you'd like but the email I received listed the French Guy as one of those going on the bus trip with Chicken John. Not anyone named Frog. You said you were the French Guy. Maybe it was a different French Guy. Or maybe you didn't go. No problem.

Tony 2006-07-28T17:56:12Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#322f112b-bf4e-4034-b9dc-a52e14ee78e4 2006-07-28T17:11:10Z 2006-07-28T17:11:10Z

You see, making accusation such as "you find the time to go with Chicken John on a bus tour" is not helping: for you information, there are two Frog at Burning Man. You are refering to the other Frog. I have not seen Chicken John for at least 5 years. Frog

Eric 2006-07-28T17:11:10Z Crypto http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#e4106e0a-5e84-46d5-8c24-1e4571e113e9 2006-07-28T16:46:37Z 2006-07-28T16:46:37Z

Well, frog, it can't be easy to face the anger and dissapointment. (I know it's hard for me...) So, thanks.

Crypto 2006-07-28T16:46:37Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#43ecd257-738f-4de9-abd6-12730d412f66 2006-07-28T16:44:42Z 2006-07-28T16:44:42Z

I know that will sound lame. But perhaps I am lame :-) What I would really like ? To see the avenues shine this year. That is really what I want. Because, the bottom line is that, esplanade, avenues, back blocks, etc, are just a flat expense of playa before you guys arrive. So, it is slightly surreal to say that this is cool space, and this is not cool. The space is what you do of it, and all of those changes, on the long run, is to make most of BRC "prime real estate", instead of a limited space reserved for the ellit. Thanks for the encouragement. They matter. Frog

Eric 2006-07-28T16:44:42Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#c115b44a-1749-4f3f-a9cf-aa4779970168 2006-07-28T16:34:19Z 2006-07-28T16:34:19Z

Ok. I remember now. I also remember telling it was not definitive and things could change. And it did. I had to move you, nothing personal, because, at some point in the mapping we had to either cancel almost 100 camps, and get imaginative. In short, how to handle an increase of 30% of theme camps without increasing the space they take by 30%. Shape, size of camps become a major factor, and, well, thanks to your move, several camps were able to make it. And yes, many camps owe you a favor. If you could shrink you camp, I could probably move your camp. Contact me off line if you are interested. Frog (frog@burningman.com)

Eric 2006-07-28T16:34:19Z Tony http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#2363b46f-b330-4a6a-a73e-91e0bf809542 2006-07-28T15:57:25Z 2006-07-28T15:57:25Z

To Frog, French Guy, Eric, whatever your name is: My camp is Burntown. On Sunday July 9th, 2006 you called me and left me a message. (I still have it, wanna hear?) I returned your call an hour later and we spoke about the placement of my camp. We discussed various things and you ended the call telling me you were placing us in the 7:30 plaza. My camp made the following requests: 1. To be on the 7:30 side of the city (where we have camped for over 5 years) 2. To be in an intersection (so our rope bridge can traverse our camp at a 45 degree angle and so we can project movies and images into the street) 3. To be away from loud sound camps (we like to sleep at night sometimes) 4. To not be place beside the potties (kind of obvious reasoning here) Other notes of interest: We didn’t care how far we were from the Esplanade. We didn’t mind if we were actually on 7:30 — 7:00 or 8:00, was okay too. In fact we were okay with anything – just “no further east than 4:30”. When the list came out the other day we were not in the 7:30 Plaza — not even close. We were at 3:00 and E. 1. Wrong side of the city 2. Closer to the sound camps than we preferred 3. On the same block as the potties last year 4. In an intersection? Who can say? While we certainly appreciate what you are doing I don’t mind saying that in our case you failed. Miserably. I know that is bound to happen, but it would have been nice if you had gotten something right for us. What I find upsetting is that if the rumors are true, while in the midst of spending 16 hours a day working on camp placement, you found the time to get in a bus with Chicken John and ride across the United States for 7 days. Now that is commitment. Anyway, we can — and will live with the result. We are not going to raise hell over this. I am only making a simple statement of fact here. On the other hand, if you would accept my request it would warm my heart and I would be more than willing to kick your ass in the Thunderdome on any occasion you are able to meet me there.

Tony 2006-07-28T15:57:25Z Hylo http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#aaa05ca1-2cf8-4cb4-902e-101f38ab8a93 2006-07-28T15:46:30Z 2006-07-28T15:46:30Z

If the theme camps dont get placement.... what happens? We give up.

Hylo 2006-07-28T15:46:30Z Hylo http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#c293dd20-ba7a-44ff-a44a-6570159da734 2006-07-28T15:44:05Z 2006-07-28T15:44:05Z

your not the only one Ivy. Someone is playing games up above. Next year BORG gets to camp in the walk in camping area so we can have more space.

Hylo 2006-07-28T15:44:05Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#c8c41211-01be-4d0d-8086-3981d71a8519 2006-07-28T15:31:38Z 2006-07-28T15:31:38Z

Only the title is 2005. The content is this year's. So small change :)

Timber 2006-07-28T15:31:38Z Babesodelicious http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#869ddc11-7b24-4d97-b4fa-21062ab33261 2006-07-28T15:18:50Z 2006-07-28T15:18:50Z

Hey, BryTee, just a small request: Would you pllease change your page to reflect this Burn year instead of 2005? Otherwise, great job! Esp. the sort by camp name feature at the bottom.

Babesodelicious 2006-07-28T15:18:50Z hoo http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#1add1d1c-2f70-46ec-aafd-3bae43fe9ed5 2006-07-28T15:03:52Z 2006-07-28T15:03:52Z

The adaptations I was considering weren't all completely positive in nature. No need to fight about stuff here, but I saw a misunderstanding that I wanted to correct. I re-sent some info via email. And I appreciate your willingness to look at the full submission and think about it. That attitude is helpful.

hoo 2006-07-28T15:03:52Z Anti M http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#a456fbd6-d63a-448b-a4f1-e2f518239c7f 2006-07-28T14:01:18Z 2006-07-28T14:01:18Z

Excellent! Hushville backs up to AEZ, always great neighbors, and we're surround by open camping on the other three sides. That should be interesting.

Anti M 2006-07-28T14:01:18Z Lovemonkey http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#c71e6e1a-1421-4525-a1fb-0832450d30e5 2006-07-28T08:13:20Z 2006-07-28T08:13:20Z

Yeah, nicely done, Bry! And to the "spoke" camps, just look at that list at 4:30 or 7:30. Amazing camps all lined up down the avenue. Like freakin' Vegas! I may not even make it to the esplanade. If you all are rocking the avenues, it'll work!

Lovemonkey 2006-07-28T08:13:20Z Cristina McAIIister http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#09dfd34d-8b63-47b8-9895-78212f6a749f 2006-07-28T06:46:19Z 2006-07-28T06:46:19Z

Sorry I got a little pissy at you earlier, Stacycat. I jumped the gun and thought you were just whining about something that was inconveniencing you, but it sounds like you've given some thought to the matter and have valid reasons for feeling that way. I hope you can make peace with the spokes as long as we've got'em. :)

Cristina McAIIister 2006-07-28T06:46:19Z Ann http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#dee7310c-37ca-45ad-9044-acee71191a0a 2006-07-28T06:43:35Z 2006-07-28T06:43:35Z

Bry Tee, that map is AWESOME : )

Ann 2006-07-28T06:43:35Z Ivy http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#02b5cbb0-761e-4df1-9967-b9849ad16c42 2006-07-28T06:37:14Z 2006-07-28T06:37:14Z

Well Frog, When the head of placement states in a public forum that the placement is "final," the impression given is that one does not ask for change. "Adapt" in this case, at least for me, pretty much means giving up my camp and my project and not attending. That is certainly an adaptation from my original plans. I am guessing that our contact did not mention the specifics of the problems in his email because, as he has quoted above, they were evident in our application, so I'm guessing he assumed you were already aware. I appreciate your responses and the time you've given this matter and I would love to take this privately to discuss what any options available might be. You can message me through tribe or you can email via our camp contact (although he will be out of town this weekend). Thanks.

Ivy 2006-07-28T06:37:14Z Cristina McAIIister http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#e0c6980d-c162-4dfa-b193-18f910c09f46 2006-07-28T06:21:33Z 2006-07-28T06:21:33Z

Well said, Dusty. :)

Cristina McAIIister 2006-07-28T06:21:33Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#ce6238de-be1f-4b1f-bbaf-883216bc1e4b 2006-07-28T06:18:46Z 2006-07-28T06:18:46Z

Nope. I am just involve in terms of filling up the city. Not the actual shape of the city. I remember those discussion. Was it two years ago already ?? Frog

Eric 2006-07-28T06:18:46Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#557aad9a-4f04-4f28-9b9d-8818244fe454 2006-07-28T06:16:42Z 2006-07-28T06:16:42Z

Hey Frog, I'm sorry for giving you such a hard time. I really am. I know you work your ass off, and I know you and the team are doing everything you do with the best interests of all at heart. You've got a lot to contend with. We've got a lot of people, myself included, that just want to be heard and I trust you've heard us. The voice of discontent is a good thing, it helps us grow, and we're growing. I also want to say publicly that the opinions I have expressed here are my own, and not those of may campmates. Overall, my camp is happy with our placement, and their optimism and creativity brings me solace. I have the best campmates I could ever hope for. Thank you Frog for taking the time to come here and talk to us and help us understand some of the reasoning behind why things are the way they are. We may not agree on all points, but you win major props for sharing your mindset and letting us vent and working through this with us. In the end, as always, it's going to be a great burn. And we'll make it work... because we love Black Rock City. If we didn't, we wouldn't all be here. Poke a Spoke. And if you get the chance, Poke Frog too... I hear he kinda likes that :-) xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo Dusty

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-28T06:16:42Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#64b26e78-d4ef-4f8c-b630-8a3d309263f4 2006-07-28T06:13:27Z 2006-07-28T06:13:27Z

Well. This was not communicated properly (internal). Glitches happens when you've got two weeks to map 541 camps. If I was not honest, I would not have bring that up in a public forum. Now, I received this morning an email from the contact person of your camp, telling me that while the spot was not perfect, your camp would adapt. Not asking for a change, nor be specific about the problems. I suggest we take this off-line to see how I can now fix this problem. Frog

Eric 2006-07-28T06:13:27Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#13e4da96-d76c-4366-8e66-78b8d3496eaa 2006-07-28T05:56:35Z 2006-07-28T05:56:35Z

Yippee! woo woo! You just made me so happy! Please come say hi... my campmates are the most wonderful people and friends I could ever wish for. I'm so glad we're on your radar screen! My new motto... Poke a Spoke. Friends are waiting :-)

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-28T05:56:35Z spectabilis http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#caf59fa1-e926-41d0-8c76-cbc94b8168f3 2006-07-28T05:28:09Z 2006-07-28T05:28:09Z

"I also strongly believe that since I am responsible (among the rest of the team) for the map.." does this also include the general circular layout of the city? if so, could you please tell me whatever became of the discussions to change and evolve the structure into new forms from say.. a couple of years ago?

spectabilis 2006-07-28T05:28:09Z BryTee http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#be40afa6-ed72-4f18-8634-fc3a46a283eb 2006-07-28T03:58:35Z 2006-07-28T03:58:35Z

I just finished creating a camp list sorted by location (as I've done for a few years now when they release the alphabetic list). Go check it out: http://www.dongrays.com/burningman2006/campsbylocation.html By the way, I've no idea what the "sector column" is, so I left it in.

BryTee 2006-07-28T03:58:35Z josie http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#4522863d-7dba-4d9b-b847-21c54bf31074 2006-07-28T02:34:19Z 2006-07-28T02:34:19Z

you're only 2 1/2 blocks away!! i think that's hood enough. and don't worry, i'll visit!

josie 2006-07-28T02:34:19Z Kamikaze http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#736c4401-3bc2-4726-b181-4b45ec4bd9cd 2006-07-28T02:03:10Z 2006-07-28T02:03:10Z

Planes falling from the sky, runways on edge and sideways and you people are still Kvetching? Good lord. The humanity! KK ps A good friends site just for you! www.dreamthefuture.org

Kamikaze 2006-07-28T02:03:10Z hoo http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#4634fcfd-8142-418c-bf70-4bf06673862a 2006-07-28T01:56:20Z 2006-07-28T01:56:20Z

From the ORIGINAL application form I submitted for Dreamtime: "And wait! There’s MORE!!! JaneEric & Co. will be returning their Playa Air art car to BRC06, and they’re part of Dreamtime. This wonderful monstrosity needs a convenient landing strip. Glorious? Yes, but it isn’t what you’d call agile, so tedious navigation through pedestrian traffic to a home back in the city is not the best idea. Plus, if it’s parked on the playa across from our esplanade camp, it’ll continue to boggle minds 24/7" http://www.dreamtimers.net/blog/?p=11 From the clarification requested by Jake of the placement staff: "But is Playa Air agile? Um, no. No one wants any Difficult Situation when the great beast is laboring along some pedestrian-strewn path back to some camp back in the rings. Jane & the Cap’ns will cope wherever they’re put, but safety says keep this baby on the edge of the esplanade. And happily that’s the right answer to the visual question, too, so really your decision is a simple one. " http://www.dreamtimers.net/blog/?p=101#comments Um, what??? WHAT!!??

hoo 2006-07-28T01:56:20Z Shadow http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#381a3ed1-55f1-4ad8-b8a4-77d25fbe0129 2006-07-28T01:11:09Z 2006-07-28T01:11:09Z

I would miss you IVY, I haven't seen you or drank tequila with you at sunrise in forever!!!!

Shadow 2006-07-28T01:11:09Z Moon http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#429c6f55-7659-4dae-b3df-4fbaf09bf2db 2006-07-28T01:10:35Z 2006-07-28T01:10:35Z

Yay Nexus! I was at 9:50 and Fetish, we stopped by Nexus often on our way up 10 to the Esplanade.

Moon 2006-07-28T01:10:35Z Moon http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#723df737-c95b-40d7-ae8f-ae2262ca61f2 2006-07-28T01:05:51Z 2006-07-28T01:05:51Z

have you met KK in person? Heheheheh... If you haven't, go out to the airport and say hi - all will be revealed within 5 minutes of meeting the man in the flesh. Love ya, KK! You focker you!

Moon 2006-07-28T01:05:51Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#3ee63611-cf44-43b2-ac32-bfee84522370 2006-07-28T01:05:08Z 2006-07-28T01:05:08Z

The "French Guy" is me, btw. I do not know what camp you are, Things just did not work out. No space available. What do you suggest I do when there's no space. I said you were placed, and you are. Frog

Eric 2006-07-28T01:05:08Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#64a4c0a2-269f-4ac1-9dd2-0789696cc764 2006-07-28T00:59:44Z 2006-07-28T00:59:44Z

Thanks. This is probably the first smile on my face today. I imagine I know the placer you have been camping to, since I have been a placer since 1998. I know that it is impossible to satisfy everybody, and that, well, this is all about experimenting. And yes we make mistakes. All I can say is that we are doing our best. After all, I can tell you it is always nicer to interact with happy people than angry people. So, it would make my life easier if everyone could get what they want. I also strongly believe that since I am responsible (among the rest of the team) for the map, I need to face the unhappy people myself and directly. Frog

Eric 2006-07-28T00:59:44Z Moon http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#37e21250-4f78-4215-a725-c6849356778a 2006-07-28T00:51:38Z 2006-07-28T00:51:38Z

Oh hell yeah! I'm right with you there Bare...these guys work hard for us, even when we aren't happy - they are having to balance tons of opinions, beggings, pleadings, commands...they call the placement room the War Zone for a reason. I expected us to not get placed at all, I was beyond myself with joy when I saw we were placed and about fainted when I saw where. (Divination Nation Esp and 5) Now that I know they work so many hours on playa too - what do you guys like the most, Frog? Name it and we will bring some to you as well.

Moon 2006-07-28T00:51:38Z Moon http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#1f8147d8-b256-4c36-84d0-f59c532ed1df 2006-07-28T00:38:59Z 2006-07-28T00:38:59Z

Dusty, I said where I was camped last year - but I didn't say where I was sucked into time after time last year in my wandering... Your neighborhood. I loved that part of the city and now I'm not too far away from you - I'll be back even more. I'll try to play the part of the pied piper and bring people along to meet the in/famous Dusty! ;) Seriously, I had to make a concerted effort to wander my own neighborhood. Even then I'd suddenly find I was at 4 and C/D/E or somewhere in that area. I couldn't stay away. The camps back there are amazing and I can't wait to see what all everyone is doing this year! I'll come give you lovins and happy-happys.

Moon 2006-07-28T00:38:59Z LyingBare http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#6f1e0bee-5602-4ec1-929d-7c1c75658fde 2006-07-28T00:20:01Z 2006-07-28T00:20:01Z

shaman... no kidding. I have been our Themecamp mapper 7 years and it's really difficult to give everyone exactly what they want.... our camp isn't as large as yours but we do still have to try and fit everyone with their rigs and tents as well as all the structural stuff along with vehicles into a space smaller than we'd like.... many years we have had a satellite camp for the overflow.... but, we have a sayin... the difference between Adventure and Ordeal is Attitude..... somehow it all works and we most usually have a kick ass camp and for the most part everyone is or gets happy,..... Thanks Frog.... the insight is invaluable... Bare BurningTribe and Arctica

LyingBare 2006-07-28T00:20:01Z robin http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#e6ceec58-6e28-4911-bb9a-88217378b177 2006-07-28T00:15:11Z 2006-07-28T00:15:11Z

big props to frog and the mapping team for all their hard work! I'm now stoked about trying the spokes this year! It will be interesting being that far out but the plaza is something new. I've looked through our neighbours and looks like a good time to me! see y'all out there!

robin 2006-07-28T00:15:11Z larry http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#d67a298a-9dd5-4f0d-bc80-a60145143202 2006-07-28T00:06:26Z 2006-07-28T00:06:26Z

The design of the city is quite beautiful in its elegance and evolutionary trajectory. Perhaps the area of active membrane, the Esplanade, could be doubled by simply vacating the blue-shaded ziggarat spokes at 3:00 and 9:00 and leaving open playa, in effect folding the visual spaciousness of the inner playa into the body of the city.

larry 2006-07-28T00:06:26Z robin http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#55b9efd9-b63b-4a28-bbf0-f1a2275297e2 2006-07-28T00:04:09Z 2006-07-28T00:04:09Z

thanks for the insight on the mapping process, frog!

robin 2006-07-28T00:04:09Z StacycatS http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#335f7291-9262-4718-a423-a0c9cc5e94b4 2006-07-28T00:00:02Z 2006-07-28T00:00:02Z

i havent interacted witht he mapping team directly in a few years, they were pretty col then, and it certainly is nice of frog to come onto tribe and answer peoples questions during this busy time!

StacycatS 2006-07-28T00:00:02Z Crypto http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#1cdf190e-70b8-4e41-9fa5-33adbe6958c1 2006-07-27T23:40:57Z 2006-07-27T23:40:57Z

Oh I'm not going to refer to it as anything else!

Crypto 2006-07-27T23:40:57Z Shaman http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#b06fcb45-9cd3-4dcc-9d90-e21ff9cc46cc 2006-07-27T23:38:27Z 2006-07-27T23:38:27Z

Ok so I have done mapping for the Nuclear Family Theme camp for 4 years now. I just want to acknowledge the BRC camping team for all their hard work... mapping is a thankless job. Even in a theme camp of 100-200 people it is a nightmare to give everyone what they want and still have a cohesive... anything. So thank you. the Team has been really nice to me when I called and emailed to inform them of the integration of NucFam with DMT and PlayaVideo into the now ridiculous theme camp "the LAB" We could also not be happier to be on the corner of esplanade and 3:30. Thank you again mapping team... you are all dreamy

Shaman 2006-07-27T23:38:27Z Ivy http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#f51c97da-c302-4a0d-8dcf-443f83ff1d67 2006-07-27T23:24:18Z 2006-07-27T23:24:18Z

It's not so much about the actual placement location as the hypocrisy. And I'm just fed up with that.

Ivy 2006-07-27T23:24:18Z Crypto http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#4f07f7a3-adcc-4d84-acd0-33d6a41916cb 2006-07-27T23:20:14Z 2006-07-27T23:20:14Z

I'd miss you if you didn't come, Ivy. fwiw.

Crypto 2006-07-27T23:20:14Z prophecyboy http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#731233a7-f382-46b5-a567-f3626347f48e 2006-07-27T23:20:03Z 2006-07-27T23:20:03Z

i believe it's still jiffylube. the website just had to remove all references to the name "jiffylube". which in turn, is prompting a new name. but as far as being out on the playa. it's still jiffylube.

prophecyboy 2006-07-27T23:20:03Z Ivy http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#a9f6f110-fac4-4c36-9e9a-5da50f64a7b9 2006-07-27T23:18:56Z 2006-07-27T23:18:56Z

>Your questionnaire did mention your art car, but you didn't mention the fact it needed to be on Esplanade (if you don't mention it, do no expect us to just find out :-)). It was in our application, and it was also made doubly clear to "Jake" when he emailed us to inquire more about our camp. I'm still baffled. For a planning committee that says they "redo the city plan every year," it sure seems like a lot of the same camps end up in the same spots, which includes the same general vibe on the Esplanade. We were out to change that, and we stated so in our application. I don't really care if you want the city to be the same year after year, but then don't say the complete opposite in your placement announcement emails. I have to confess, Frog, I have been so upset about this whole mess that I am considering just dumping the project and not attending. I am pretty distressed.

Ivy 2006-07-27T23:18:56Z Crypto http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#3085f2ba-ee51-46d5-9b37-1c31fad5a0a2 2006-07-27T23:14:31Z 2006-07-27T23:14:31Z

So "Jiffy" is what they are calling themselves this year. I'm glad they got away with it as long as they did.

Crypto 2006-07-27T23:14:31Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#baf461c3-7d83-479d-a261-ae596861c217 2006-07-27T23:06:22Z 2006-07-27T23:06:22Z

About 15% of the theme camps questionnaire this year do mention they are gay oriented and ask for a specific location. I did respect that desire, but I just ran out of space. Please look at the map, camps location, and you will realize what I am talking about. Saying that we have not respected the gay community is just plain erronous. Please go talk to Deep End, Jiffy, and ask what they think about the Placement team, before you make this kind of comments. Frog

Eric 2006-07-27T23:06:22Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#8aedc40f-11ca-4d5b-94ff-e60b18e05fe2 2006-07-27T23:02:27Z 2006-07-27T23:02:27Z

It is actually the opposite: we do wait until the deadline before figuring out the map. The reason is to be fair to anyone, and not start having a "vision" of the map before every questionnaire is read several times. The mapping process takes about 15 days, non stop. Now, what happens, is that about 50% of the questionnaire we receive (about 600 this year), are incomplete. No map, nothing to really help us figuring out what is the camp. We call people, send them email, etc, which add days before we can place those camps. But we keep on placing the camps that have complete questionnaires, and yes, free space get smaller and smaller, and eventually, there is not a lot of choices left. This is actually what happened to some of the people who are complaining on this thread about their placement (not all). What really matters is: - don't send your questionnaire about the deadline. - do fill up properly your questionnaire. DO NOT FORGET YOUR MAP. we cannot do anything without it. - if we contact you during mapping, please be responsive. - realize that you should ask for everything you want, but you may not get it. - don't forget your camp is unique, amazing... but there is 540 other camps to map... Frog

Eric 2006-07-27T23:02:27Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#dd3edc72-5581-4291-ac29-e8222b46fb27 2006-07-27T22:57:34Z 2006-07-27T22:57:34Z

My original question was 'is it permitted'. And I clearly said if it wasn't permitted, I'd have absolutely no intention of considering it. No worries.

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-27T22:57:34Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#a1ccd9d0-5f90-4ab7-9967-8028a054c17e 2006-07-27T22:52:39Z 2006-07-27T22:52:39Z

This is the "darker" side of the placement team. We did actually move camps last year. And we will do it again (and more) this year. We place people who are in BRC early, and we make sure that theme camps are were they are supposed to be. Of course, there is on-playa change, arrangements, etc. But this is always by working things out with the Placement team. Heidi is correct: the spots were noticably smaller than 100x200... intentionnaly. And.. well.. the placement team is quite good finding people. Many, many years of training. Frog

Eric 2006-07-27T22:52:39Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#a6eefa8e-e19d-4c3d-893a-b2068f92bf66 2006-07-27T22:51:04Z 2006-07-27T22:51:04Z

Is it too late to put some fire art there? I can't imagine anyone going back there without fire. Sorry. It's just too far back.

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-27T22:51:04Z M http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#b10680bd-79b4-4364-9829-588885368357 2006-07-27T22:50:56Z 2006-07-27T22:50:56Z

By 2004 all the action was on the esplanade and the 2nd and 3rd streets were ghost towns. I wasn't there last year so I don't really have an opinion about the spokes but what they were doing before wasn't working.

M 2006-07-27T22:50:56Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#144b7560-e1fb-4e4c-86ac-d1197a4122cc 2006-07-27T22:48:25Z 2006-07-27T22:48:25Z

The main camps at 4:30 Plaza that back in did not ask to be somewhere else. In fact, 2 of those asked to be back at the same location. The bottom line, Dusty, is that what do you think bring people ? Is it the layout of the city ? No. Is it the particular location ? No. Is it the theme camps ? Yes. My point is that if theme camps are so disappointed that they just give up, of course, it will not work. But if theme camps try, and shine, the Avenue will work, and, they may just become where everyone wants to be. You see, there has been similar situation in the past. When the first plaza were introduced (3:00 and 9:00), camps placed there were complaining. And they were dead. After a few years, they started to become what they are now. To the point that they are now in high demand, and there are more camps who want Plaza than space there. You want light, life, traffic where you're located. So do I. So, put lights, be lively, spend time in your camp, so people will start coming by. Love your neighborhood, own it. This is unchartered territory, and being placed there early in the life of the avenues is of course challenging, but, years from now, you might be able to see what your personal contribution has been to this part of the city. You will contribute to define what the avenues are. And I think that's pretty cool, don't you think ? Frog

Eric 2006-07-27T22:48:25Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#a66a9d40-da91-413a-a30c-bba34887cb6a 2006-07-27T22:44:59Z 2006-07-27T22:44:59Z

You have a good point about the What When Where guide. Where camps are placed can have a dramatic effect on their planned activities. Maybe they need to extend the WWW deadline until after placement is announced.

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-27T22:44:59Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#0bfb2533-e1af-420f-8b01-1c23c3bae5d0 2006-07-27T22:40:13Z 2006-07-27T22:40:13Z

The art pieces (one per plaza) are not fire art. I believe there will be burn barrels too. But this is still a work in progress. Plaza a little bit more night time oriented than the rest of the avenue, so yes, this will be a place to hang out at night, and I agree, burn barrels will be nice. Frog

Eric 2006-07-27T22:40:13Z robin http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#4c379527-d4ee-4065-9c1b-d99bdda22ef0 2006-07-27T22:39:22Z 2006-07-27T22:39:22Z

I'm hoping the plaza's at the end of 4:30 and 8:30 will improve things somewhat this year. they didn't have the plaza's last year did they?

robin 2006-07-27T22:39:22Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#bfbefc79-03ea-4543-b9e4-9abe8a25eded 2006-07-27T22:38:12Z 2006-07-27T22:38:12Z

Those are "just" the traditionnal BRC street lights (like on the Esplanade). No, you will still need to bring your own lights. I agree, avenues were too dark last year. As I mentionned in a previous post, most of the camps on the avenues have generators and, like you, said they were planing on bringing night light. So, crossing my fingers, the avenues should be have lights at night, this year. Frog

Eric 2006-07-27T22:38:12Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#25062aac-de01-4afd-bdce-efaeae4a4591 2006-07-27T22:35:28Z 2006-07-27T22:35:28Z

Placement decisions are no secret. So, and I know you will not like the answer, I have placed you at 4:30 and Chance because I found your camp very attractive, cute, funny, and exactely what I was looking for the 4:30 avenue. Basically, you got that spot because I think you are potentially a very great camp. No kidding. The kind of camp that could have had Esplanade too (I know you asked for Esplanade), but Esplanade is a very difficult space (10 times more camps want esplanade than there is space there). If you look at your neighbors, you will see well established theme camps, very strong, very funny... AND.. very much in sync (as far as I can tell) with your theme: BRC Animal Control, Prisoner, the Q, Astral Headwash. I mean, this is a very cool neighborhood which is going to drive a lot of people in. Your questionnaire did mention your art car, but you didn't mention the fact it needed to be on Esplanade (if you don't mention it, do no expect us to just find out :-)). Again, I really mean anything I am saying here. I understand that it probably sound more logical to you that if I think you are such a great camp, I should just give you what you asking for. But this is not what the role of Placement is. We are not in the real estate business. Our role is to help camps, and also design the city. Avenues is a direction the city design is going to, and our work is to make them happen. This takes several means, including street lights (like those on Esplanade), creation of a keyhole, creation of a plaza, and, careful placement of camps. Camps on the avenues, except for a few exceptions have generators, and have said they were going to have lights at night. They are also very interactive, and/or beautiful. There is a mix of day time and night time camps. Finally, I will be camping in this area this year, so I will be part of it. Theme camps are doing their thing, primarely because they want to (I know this is obvious). But all theme camps want to give something to the community. I know you do too, this is also obvious. I strongly believe that your location is going to not only let you have a successfull camp (i.e. a camp that you will be proud of, a camp you will have fun with), but I can garanty you that the impact of Dreamtime on the community will be much larger in the avenue that it would have been on Esplanade: you will be in the middle of everything, instead of being on the edge. Burning Man is not that much about pre-playa expectation. The best experiences usually come from unexpected. Since we will be neighbors, (not immediate, but almost), I will stop by, and if you're not happy with your placement, still, well, you will be able to tell me that face to face. Frog

Eric 2006-07-27T22:35:28Z StacycatS http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#f2bd3dab-85a0-4b23-89ba-86fd456ab2b8 2006-07-27T22:25:58Z 2006-07-27T22:25:58Z

as for a viable alternative, i have not studied the art of urban planning... but did i miss a message somewhere as to what the problem was with having themecamps be the 1st, 2nd, (and if still too many) 3rd streets back all the way around the horse shoe, as was done pre 2005, instead of esplanade plus the spokes that goe 6 or so streets back?

StacycatS 2006-07-27T22:25:58Z Ann http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#31419b08-37e8-4cf9-b535-03b16cae2bb1 2006-07-27T22:23:42Z 2006-07-27T22:23:42Z

The Spokes suck, at least with the 4:30 Spoke last year. I think half a dozen people came by out theme camp. I thought the Spoke idea didn't do very well last year, but they brought it back again. Good thing we had a little scooter with us so we could get ice daily. Ridiong the bike over to Camp Artica was a bit far.

Ann 2006-07-27T22:23:42Z StacycatS http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#307e5bd6-f8ea-4f0b-8a16-c8a9bbc3c6fd 2006-07-27T22:20:00Z 2006-07-27T22:20:00Z

if you are tired of the 'commplaints' i suggest not reading forums, where oppinions are expressed, or perhaps only reading the positive posts and not giving the negative ones your energy. i have a very clear understanding of the urban planning that is involved in creating BRC. my first year, there were no streets at all, so ive been through a few variations of the plan since then. i camped with a now former theme camp placement staff member for about 5 years. some variations work better than others, in my opinion. this cvariation displeases me. its hardly a 'focus'. it was simply a post.

StacycatS 2006-07-27T22:20:00Z Cristina McAIIister http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#bd83d341-e526-4c4b-9a1d-7e8f453c4c50 2006-07-27T22:04:59Z 2006-07-27T22:04:59Z

I have no problem with you stating your opinion, Stacycat. I guess I just get tired of people complaining about things - epsecially as stridently as "i hate that spoke thing SO MUCH". Every camp can't be placed on the Esplanade/center of the city. Unless you want the city to be just one HUGE ring with everything getting main drag placement. Would that be more convenient? I don't think so. BRC is one of the most amazing places on the planet - it's full of wonders and incredible people and amazing adventures and experiences. Of course its not perfect and you can't please everyone all the time, but I do get rather annoyed when people complain about stuff. Especially when they offer no viable alternative. Why focus on what you don't like when there's so much to LOVE!?!?

Cristina McAIIister 2006-07-27T22:04:59Z StacycatS http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#16970ed8-ce52-49a1-9505-e49ac3ef7594 2006-07-27T21:20:50Z 2006-07-27T21:20:50Z

um, if they stick your camp back there you ahve to go back there. also if you organize events like i do, and they put the village that hosts the events in the spokes, you have to go back there. and since they release the camp locations after the who what where deadline, one cant really change things after that. do you take issue with me stating my opinion or something?

StacycatS 2006-07-27T21:20:50Z automatthew http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#1cfdae10-4c02-4e4b-8be1-66cfc87b626f 2006-07-27T21:20:28Z 2006-07-27T21:20:28Z

personally i love the design of burning man. i think it's very elegant and beautiful.

automatthew 2006-07-27T21:20:28Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#3c231c02-64a2-4551-80f2-aa51c8f6774c 2006-07-27T21:16:55Z 2006-07-27T21:16:55Z

Poke a Spoke! You never know what you'll find!

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-27T21:16:55Z Cristina McAIIister http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#cd103230-390b-4f8d-8d8d-07c94da33ec8 2006-07-27T21:00:39Z 2006-07-27T21:00:39Z

er...so don't spend time in the spokes - stay in the open Playa. Why complain about options that you can choose or not choose? And for the record - I've found some way cool stuff tucked away back in the spokes. Smaller, less flashy but just as fun/creative/freindly as anything on the Esplanade/Open Playa. The spokes are just more to explore...if you want to.

Cristina McAIIister 2006-07-27T21:00:39Z Ozzy http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#b013edd3-0d8d-4559-8f8f-0f87947759d5 2006-07-27T20:58:26Z 2006-07-27T20:58:26Z

Sweet! 3:00 and Fate....... come see me Wed. night at P.U.N.

Ozzy 2006-07-27T20:58:26Z automatthew http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#a13b4960-a0da-4d3f-bd2c-c22f125609de 2006-07-27T20:52:37Z 2006-07-27T20:52:37Z

that's a good point dusty. and it is just one part of burning man and not a necessary one. it's just annoying because of expectations and hopes for a paticular experience and finding out you won't have it. but expectations suck for burning many anyways so it's all good.

automatthew 2006-07-27T20:52:37Z StacycatS http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#e6b2daa3-c66a-4180-b200-adfc5dcd8b6d 2006-07-27T20:52:30Z 2006-07-27T20:52:30Z

//My Runway is Freaking Sideways! // this really reads as a joke. did i miss the link to the map that includes the airport, or something?

StacycatS 2006-07-27T20:52:30Z Henry http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#7635c70e-0418-4ba8-84e5-f61b9cf8d102 2006-07-27T20:48:00Z 2006-07-27T20:48:00Z

are you suggesting the man could burn early this year?

Henry 2006-07-27T20:48:00Z Kamikaze http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#0aa3a3f8-36f7-4371-b2fb-0843c9546159 2006-07-27T20:43:20Z 2006-07-27T20:43:20Z

What are you people talking about... My Runway is Freaking Sideways! How the hell are the planes in the pattern supposed to land. My God, Peeps... There are planes falling out of the sky and nowhere to land them!! At least they got the parking ramp right. Now if only we can get those aircraft down safely! KK

Kamikaze 2006-07-27T20:43:20Z automatthew http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#dfa03b7b-3b63-4d9a-b58b-a48ca38c469a 2006-07-27T20:28:49Z 2006-07-27T20:28:49Z

well we also wanted to maintain our seperate camp identities and the seperate experiences that we create for ourselves. the annoying thing is that all the other camps in the group are still close to one another and only our camp is halfway across the playa.

automatthew 2006-07-27T20:28:49Z Crypto http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#74b67c7c-0ebe-452b-acca-d1b9ddc389d6 2006-07-27T20:16:19Z 2006-07-27T20:16:19Z

Understood matthew. I'd suggest merging as many as possible into a super village and then even if the others are split off, you'll have part of what you're looking for. (yes, I am one of those twits who occasionally want to bop necking straight couples in the Castro on the head.)

Crypto 2006-07-27T20:16:19Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#6ebc96a2-2cd9-471a-9088-e9f033e799cc 2006-07-27T20:16:14Z 2006-07-27T20:16:14Z

For whatever it's worth, a lot of hetero's don't feel a part of that sexual energy either, yet we sit amidst neighborhoods with Goddess worship camps. And what about the people who are Bi... where are 'their people'? Or maybe we could zone techno and rock-n-roll, cuz sometimes I have to travel to the other side of the city to find camps where I feel I fit in. I'm sensitive to your plight, I really am. And I can't walk in your shoes and say I know how you feel, because I don't. But at the same time, I don't want to see all of BRC 'zoned' to satisfy any select group of people. Children, I understand. That's different... I hope I don't have to explain why I think it's different. And I can understand quiet zones, because we have people that need it for health and sanity reasons. And of course, there's the center camp infrastructure. But beyond that, I like that our energy all mingles together. I like that I'm challenged to spend time interracting with and sifting through the multitudes of people who are so different than me. And at the same time, who are the same as me. If you feel that strongly about it, I think the suggestion of forming a village is a good one.

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-27T20:16:14Z StacycatS http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#a60e253b-6427-44af-a8cf-a91f0a2fbaac 2006-07-27T20:09:38Z 2006-07-27T20:09:38Z

//I'm not sure why folks hate the spokes. // a few reasons, mainly because - as mentioned - i spend all my time open playa, and like 5 -6 streets back is super far, and in the (for me) 'wrong' direction. like a moth walking away from the flame! also theres something very depressign to me abotu the more residential areas. i havent figured out what it is yet. again, i know soem peopel like it for the reasons you mention... i just happen to not be one of them! the horse shoe shape doesnt bother me, but the spokes do in their attempt to draw me into the city, and away from where i love love love to be - near the LARGE art, the sky, the landscape sans tent ghetto... ahhhhhhhhh so nice!

StacycatS 2006-07-27T20:09:38Z automatthew http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#4c5f27b2-a83b-4f9f-917f-e029558ba721 2006-07-27T20:04:26Z 2006-07-27T20:04:26Z

there are other reasons for wanting to create a space for yourself than homophobia. homophobia is not the only thing that makes it hard to be gay. i haven't had to deal with obvious homophobia in years, it's not really a part of my life. the main thing is being such a minority. and one really really feels that at burning man with the very aggressive heterosexuality everywhere. also, the signals that we use to create a feeling of communal identity and to create spaces for ourselves become lost in the noise at burning man and we become subsumed into the mass. which is great from the point of view of feeling a part of something. but the fact is that we are not really the same. we cannot participate in the sexual energy that flows through burning man in the same way that straight or bisexual do. one feels rather left out and not really a part of the energy. a "ghetto" would be a place where gay people could participate in that energy. there is a village, avalon synapse station. what we were trying to do was take avalon and the other gay camps and put them relatively near one another so that we could create communal events and a queer space where we can fully participate in what burning man has to offer. it sucks that bmorg hasn't respected the needs of such an important (imho) part of the community. i imagine bmorg shares the typical straight perspective of not understanding why we should have to seperate ourselves at burning man. they want to keep everything together and so dissolve us into the general population. but that's alright. we'll create whatever spaces we can and have a great burn as always. "Okay, I understand you're upset. I can see wanting to be a "destination" but in my sf queer lite sort of way, I sorta think that burningman is one place where this shouldn't couldn't wouldn't happen. Have you tried being a village? Would that help?"

automatthew 2006-07-27T20:04:26Z Crypto http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#2321030d-24ae-4a6c-b4eb-731c6752f809 2006-07-27T19:46:34Z 2006-07-27T19:46:34Z

<There is no real reason BRC needs to be the shape it is. > My guess is that it's for the visuals of the inner playa with the man in the middle of it. I don't think that having the man in one part of hte playa and the city somewhere else would work. I also think that you have to have a large space (although maybe not as large) to accomadate teh burns and other art works. So unless you start going square (tick tack toe board with corner and center not populated?) the "horseshoe" or at least a circle is almost inevitable. But that's my thoughts.

Crypto 2006-07-27T19:46:34Z Cristina McAIIister http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#f5b5130f-d02c-4cd8-b21e-f36d8d08f0c2 2006-07-27T19:43:55Z 2006-07-27T19:43:55Z

I like it. It creates centers of activity, as well as "residential" areas. It reasonably separates big noise from the neighborhoods where most folks will be trying to sleep. It allows open space "within" the city for art and artcar traffic. It puts the Man center, as a landmark and focal point. I'm not sure why folks hate the spokes. It's certainy better than a grid would be, IMHO.

Cristina McAIIister 2006-07-27T19:43:55Z Steven http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#46ae53ae-90b6-48a2-9846-6685155a1294 2006-07-27T19:37:26Z 2006-07-27T19:37:26Z

I would make something completely different. Something different that the whole horseshoe effect. There is no real reason BRC needs to be the shape it is.

Steven 2006-07-27T19:37:26Z ~Lil John~ http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#5f0c9641-cc6a-487e-932c-b277fc9ee9a9 2006-07-27T19:28:52Z 2006-07-27T19:28:52Z

Just curious , everyone who hates the spokes, how would you do it if you had a say ? PS my camp "Nexus" applied for the 10:00 and Esplanade but got 10:00 and Brave exactly where we were last year. So come by for a dance or ? !!!

~Lil John~ 2006-07-27T19:28:52Z StacycatS http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#1dc0174a-dc7e-44d3-9aa0-5e68707ac6f2 2006-07-27T19:13:57Z 2006-07-27T19:13:57Z

<vent> trying not to be a negative nancy but dang du i hate that spoke thing SO MUCH. i dont want to be drawn into the city more, i spend all my time open playa. 2 of my events are happening at a village thats far back on one of the spokes, really i dont think i would go back there otherwise - rope lights or no. i fear the spokes are here to stay, i know you cant please everyone, but i just had to say - somewhere - that damn i hate those things! </vent>

StacycatS 2006-07-27T19:13:57Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#85dbe50a-6f7e-457e-9d70-d79a9fc06158 2006-07-27T17:24:50Z 2006-07-27T17:24:50Z

I'm looking at last years map... http://www.studioninedesign.com/BManMaps/index.htm Here's what I see. Potties on each time spoke... hour and half hour... between D and E streets, closer to D, except 4:30 and 7:30 and 6:00. The 4:30 and 7:30 potties are between G and H, closer to G. The 6:00 potties are between F and G. And the ones at 2:00 and 10:00 are off the street onto the playa, between B and C. Who's to say they'll be exactly the same this year, but I bet it won't change much.

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-27T17:24:50Z Crypto http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#c17b1241-17eb-4ff6-a12d-2ff524bc5dfb 2006-07-27T17:12:34Z 2006-07-27T17:12:34Z

<this is horrible! we were trying to get all the gay camps to be close together this year and they completely seperated us! argh!> Yikes! You're not ghettoized! Okay, I understand you're upset. I can see wanting to be a "destination" but in my sf queer lite sort of way, I sorta think that burningman is one place where this shouldn't couldn't wouldn't happen. Have you tried being a village? Would that help?

Crypto 2006-07-27T17:12:34Z ivydionne http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#69671745-0233-4d09-b78d-731843c200a3 2006-07-27T17:10:09Z 2006-07-27T17:10:09Z

>>Aren't they usually on every hourly street... not the half hours... so 3:00, 4:00, 5:00 and between D and E streets? Oh.no. If that's true, we're gonna be sniffing porto's all week long. blech. (Last year there was a bank between F and G)

ivydionne 2006-07-27T17:10:09Z ♪James http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#85288325-982f-4c79-98ef-7a47099fff69 2006-07-27T17:09:58Z 2006-07-27T17:09:58Z

"Skaterboyz are irrelevent. Rock/punk bands are irrelevent. Resistence is futile. You will be assimilated." - Locutus of Borg/other Borg

♪James 2006-07-27T17:09:58Z Steven http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#33f3602a-a806-4d9a-aa7a-e98562edc652 2006-07-27T17:02:30Z 2006-07-27T17:02:30Z

The zone around the BORG2 area worked fine, that was where I was camped. The only time it got loud was when the SkaterBoyz had their rock/punk band. The sound camps at the two ends were not a problem.

Steven 2006-07-27T17:02:30Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#f9b462bf-15e1-497e-9f49-e4d7ba4b3e35 2006-07-27T16:44:51Z 2006-07-27T16:44:51Z

Aren't they usually on every hourly street... not the half hours... so 3:00, 4:00, 5:00 and between D and E streets?

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-27T16:44:51Z The Great Haji http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#679e929f-5ea4-4bb0-abd2-72d9bf565262 2006-07-27T16:28:37Z 2006-07-27T16:28:37Z

Can anyone speak with any authority about where the porta potties will be located this year? usually athey are every time street (e.g. 3:00, 3:30, 4:00, etc.) and the D street. we ask, because we are one of the rare camps that actually is facing the 5:00 street, which - in theory - could mean they expect our camp to face across the street from the porta potties? I know someone has to be near them...and we'll graciously accept our assignment if that's the case. I'm sure our placer will have more information, but obviously, it has impact on how we think about orienting our camp! I know I've seen maps with them placed in year's past, so I assume one exists for 06. and, interestingly, we have 20 more people than we did last year, but they gave us 20% less space. it's all good, we'll make due and have a great year. denisty isn't necessarily a bad thing. thanks! harley of hippocampus

The Great Haji 2006-07-27T16:28:37Z Tony http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#a842f213-be06-4e7b-bdc0-e2a0c5b834ba 2006-07-27T15:25:32Z 2006-07-27T15:25:32Z

What happened to me is that the French Guy called me up, told me he couldn't do what we asked. So he moved us out further. We requested the 7:30 side. I was okay with being as far out as needed - on that side. ON any street. He said we were placed. Then the placement comes out and we are on the 3:00 side. It was a bitch fest on my camp's tribe yesterday. We are only coming down now. Oh well. I didn't expect much. I should have expected less.

Tony 2006-07-27T15:25:32Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#bc6fbcf8-469d-4b55-9294-24d39a026fc2 2006-07-27T13:44:26Z 2006-07-27T13:44:26Z

Hey Frog... will there be fire in the 4:30 plaza? Burn barrels maybe, or will the art piece be a fire sculpture? That would help a lot.

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-27T13:44:26Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#e5929e66-48ce-4ef6-a3c9-3424b3bfb0c9 2006-07-27T13:35:36Z 2006-07-27T13:35:36Z

Thanks for the feedback and support Frog. I have looked at the camps in the area, and some of them are the same camps that were back there last year. I was back there with them and I saw the dramatic drop in traffic they had. Even though they are awesome fabulous rockin camps, they didn't pull the traffic as hoped, so I see no reason to expect they'd pull people back there this year either. However, that being said, it is what it is, and I know you guys worked hard and want to make this layout work. So I'm having faith sufficient changes have been made so it's not a repeat of last year, and I'll do what I can to liven up the hood too. Be on the lookout for the 4:30 Block Party.

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-27T13:35:36Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#9b26af21-3afd-4ecf-ab26-3caceaab260f 2006-07-27T07:47:14Z 2006-07-27T07:47:14Z

it'll be okay Matthew :-)

$item.owner.firstName 2006-07-27T07:47:14Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#dc5ca0ae-4246-4049-b3f9-b8397f0f48aa 2006-07-27T07:08:36Z 2006-07-27T07:08:36Z

Hey Frog, What kind of lighting will the avenues have? I'm guessing your talking 3:00, 4:30, 7:30, & 9:00? How far out will the light run, to the plaza? After the dark streets last year, we've discussed lights for our street entrance... but if that will be unnecessary, then that'd be cool. -garimo

$item.owner.firstName 2006-07-27T07:08:36Z LyingBare http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#d47a2ac6-b8d7-4c91-a653-33964d81493f 2006-07-27T07:04:29Z 2006-07-27T07:04:29Z

My Gawd Frog,,,, I had no idea ya all worked that Long.... Geesh, no wonder when I see ya ya look exhausted.... what is your desire Sir... shall I bring Coffee and Croissants, bare

LyingBare 2006-07-27T07:04:29Z Heidi http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#26e53bdf-d10c-4a0e-96b0-3f076e65103a 2006-07-27T07:04:01Z 2006-07-27T07:04:01Z

It's on edge. All the planes will need wheels installed on their wings to land.

Heidi 2006-07-27T07:04:01Z Heidi http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#fb464ffc-6259-4514-9508-7ec3c8083073 2006-07-27T07:02:24Z 2006-07-27T07:02:24Z

Oh, exCUSE me, Josie... I doan THINK so! You obviously left out MY camp 'cause we're over on 4:30, not 3, eh? *sniff* ...girl's gonna have to do some visitin' this year on-playa! Iron Rose, girl. Whatchoo thinkin'?!! ...oh, right. *almost* every camp you love... Okay. You're still gonna have to come over!

Heidi 2006-07-27T07:02:24Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#5bd174f9-7078-41fb-af21-390e1d5b79f5 2006-07-27T06:56:16Z 2006-07-27T06:56:16Z

The Placement team actually does not place the airport... email airport@burningman.com for your concerns... Frog

Eric 2006-07-27T06:56:16Z LyingBare http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#37f98664-952c-48c8-8b7f-ea28e33f9ca4 2006-07-27T06:55:48Z 2006-07-27T06:55:48Z

KK are you sayin they made the runway crossways to the prevailing wind.... or how is it "sideways"

LyingBare 2006-07-27T06:55:48Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#83e3949a-df25-43c8-8e08-52f2b613f052 2006-07-27T06:53:53Z 2006-07-27T06:53:53Z

Almost true: there is a team of placers, one per sector. We have 16 hours shift per day :-) 7/7. (and yes, we're volunteers) Frog (frog@burningman.com) BRC Placement

Eric 2006-07-27T06:53:53Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#20ce4756-b3f0-4f8e-88c6-509d0e983416 2006-07-27T06:51:22Z 2006-07-27T06:51:22Z

Unfortunately, there is no land grabbing before Monday 8/28th 0:01 AM. We will not miss a 200x100 land grabbing, so, I'd say, pretty difficult. And this is why as someone as suggested, you can cancel your camp, and get land on Monday, and you will find the space of your dream. Frog (frog@burningman.com) BRC Placement

Eric 2006-07-27T06:51:22Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#41f9481a-1aba-42ff-a83c-d677cdd3c2bf 2006-07-27T06:48:05Z 2006-07-27T06:48:05Z

I will bring drinks to your party. After all, this is also going to be my neighborhood. Don't worry Dusty, we will make the avenue rock. Look more carefully about camps at the 4:30 Plaza... Frog (frog@burningman.com) BRC Placement

Eric 2006-07-27T06:48:05Z Ivy http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#995ebc23-d8d6-49d4-996a-d04bb5689a2e 2006-07-27T06:44:29Z 2006-07-27T06:44:29Z

Frog, You are welcome to explain the specifics of the placement of Dreamtime (4:30 & Chance), either in this thread or to me privately. I am certainly baffled.

Ivy 2006-07-27T06:44:29Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#a4a95603-6db6-4caf-b53a-fe39b77c8a70 2006-07-27T06:42:17Z 2006-07-27T06:42:17Z

I understand how you feel. But we have changed the avenues a lot this year. There will be lights, and we have placed the strongest camps on the avenue. I am not sure which camp you are, you have not mentionned the name, but I can tell you that the 4:30 Plaza and 7:30 Plaza (new this year) are not going to be dead. There is also going to be an intense art piece in the plaza. Also, without knowing the name of camps that are mentionned in this thread, it is difficult to explain the specifics. Frog (frog@burningman.com) BRC Placement

Eric 2006-07-27T06:42:17Z Eric http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#f469a5fe-b2bf-4344-a235-2ac98e320f99 2006-07-27T06:36:08Z 2006-07-27T06:36:08Z

Yes, this is normal. If you remember last year, there was a more quiet zone on 2:00, where BORG2 was located. Because of the success last year, of that zone, we decided to do it this year. Camps that have been placed there have been notified a few weeks ago already. And.. yes, this is final. Frog (frog@burningman.com) BRC Placement

Eric 2006-07-27T06:36:08Z Tony http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#e9d3dce2-05ad-4e10-819d-8b4122619520 2006-07-27T06:02:21Z 2006-07-27T06:02:21Z

What is truly lame is when they call you and they talk to you about placing you elsewhere from where you requested, you agree on something that seems okay and then they move you to the entire opposite side of the city exactly where you requested not to be in the first place. How is that for a fucked up sentence?

Tony 2006-07-27T06:02:21Z Spatch http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#44c0a3a0-5292-4a19-82e4-98536c33ee2a 2006-07-27T05:36:37Z 2006-07-27T05:36:37Z

Sorry to hear some people didn't get the placement they hoped for... I was out in the boonies last year (7:30 and Gestalt/Hysteria) and though it was quiet out there especially at night, it wasn't impossible to get around and I had a great burn! This year, The Sprawl is absolutely THRILLED with our placement at 7:30 and Destiny!! Come visit our Sunscreen Station every morning for a little sunblock slathering, and a healthy dose of lemonade and cookies. Just the way to start your day, especially if you're camping on the 7:30 spoke! -Spatch

Spatch 2006-07-27T05:36:37Z robin http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#8f94ec5e-485a-42c3-b187-41dd9562b415 2006-07-27T05:19:45Z 2006-07-27T05:19:45Z

A big part of placement probably has to do with when you submit your application. I doubt they wait till the deadline to start figuring out the map. If you wait till the last few days there are likely much less spots to choose from Not sure if that is the story with anyone here unhappy with their placement. But next year I'm going to get my application in as early as they will accept it and see what kind of difference that makes.

robin 2006-07-27T05:19:45Z josie http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#5ebca2b5-cb62-4149-a344-728a961dc8c9 2006-07-27T04:54:21Z 2006-07-27T04:54:21Z

gotta love the hood!!! we're on the 3:00 plaza, and next to just almost EVERY camp we love!! nice n close to you guys, too! rock.

josie 2006-07-27T04:54:21Z Gigi-D (DogBite) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#df21440b-f19d-410f-991b-ec213b62c028 2006-07-27T04:43:24Z 2006-07-27T04:43:24Z

I am sure if you go to them with the saftey reasons as to why this is a bad idea and a danger to the community they will change it. After all they really don't want a mess either

Gigi-D (DogBite) 2006-07-27T04:43:24Z automatthew http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#68483327-b6f2-443f-8a14-18e6051c5789 2006-07-27T04:01:18Z 2006-07-27T04:01:18Z

it's more the people who will never hear about comfort and joy. or rather all the people that would have come to the big four corners block party the big gay camps were going to throw. and all the ass we would have gotten as organizers. all in all its a tragedy.

automatthew 2006-07-27T04:01:18Z prophecyboy http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#ec8d4212-e005-4f70-9c99-69705aff70ff 2006-07-27T03:33:03Z 2006-07-27T03:33:03Z

it's good to know comfort and joy is closer than the 4:30 camps! i was sad because i'm camping with jiffylube this year and i got stuck way out at 9:00... at least i can stop by comfort & joy and meet people on my way to the 4:30 camps/avalon, on my way up to my friends at 3:00 plaza...

prophecyboy 2006-07-27T03:33:03Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#c3ce3f7c-484a-4d38-a35d-13c22e85d198 2006-07-27T03:27:55Z 2006-07-27T03:27:55Z

Most of the queer camps got put togethor at 4:30 and Destiny. Unfortunately Comfort and Joy got put off at 7:30 and E. We're trying to work it out though... and Jiffy lube is way out at 9 o'clock on the opposite side of the city. I suppose that at least means none of us gayboys have to worry about our friends seeing us leave those infamous camo tents. :-) I honestly don't mind the idea of a stroll late at night to Comfort and Joy. What could be more relaxing than a nice walk from 4:30 to 7:30?

$item.owner.firstName 2006-07-27T03:27:55Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#9477d090-e52d-4d0b-8b76-b86b43e69ca7 2006-07-27T03:24:22Z 2006-07-27T03:24:22Z

I talked to my fearless leader. He's happy with our placement, therefore so am I. Well, not really, but I'm a really good faker. I'm proposing a 4:30 block party to get the neighborhood jammin. There are some really great camps in our hood, we just gotta let the peeple know we're back there! http://bm.tribe.net/thread/d0d364b4-2bb8-4907-be47-8f9edc5d9c15

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-27T03:24:22Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#923a2e17-e3b1-48d2-8a4a-1643ef84d3eb 2006-07-27T03:19:18Z 2006-07-27T03:19:18Z

Dusty you can cancel your theme camp and just grab a space on monday.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-07-27T03:19:18Z !drew! http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#1b8ca094-712b-4a7c-b6ac-9ddc7e2f95ea 2006-07-27T02:18:04Z 2006-07-27T02:18:04Z

I"m quite happy with our location (MonkeyPuzzle), just as it was as requested; on Anxious @ 8:30 (on the corner) - same as last year, right behind DOTA & OBOP, but this time an hour later (last year was 7:30 & A), which is less windy.

!drew! 2006-07-27T02:18:04Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#81cc68cd-b040-45bd-9342-7b405ae2d05f 2006-07-27T02:16:47Z 2006-07-27T02:16:47Z

Well KK, it makes me feel a little better about our placement. Maybe they were smokin some playa dust when they did the layout and placements?

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-27T02:16:47Z Mendy http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#36f53cb2-1e33-47a8-b686-96524dc7afa2 2006-07-27T01:57:59Z 2006-07-27T01:57:59Z

Red Nose District? Me too!!!

Mendy 2006-07-27T01:57:59Z LyingBare http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#997749c3-30a8-4295-a6ad-45cc5abca5c2 2006-07-27T01:53:02Z 2006-07-27T01:53:02Z

You are serious??? I thought you were joking...... B..

LyingBare 2006-07-27T01:53:02Z Kamikaze http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#4b9d6ebf-03c3-48a6-ae38-eed3ad4eed67 2006-07-27T01:37:57Z 2006-07-27T01:37:57Z

It's not funny, Bare... The Freaking runway is SIDEWAYS! Fuck!! Okay...everybody in the pattern. Do a downwind dogleg and shoot for the Taxi way. Unicom 128.9, land short and hit the brakes. Dammit! KK

Kamikaze 2006-07-27T01:37:57Z LyingBare http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#39c7f894-5b89-411d-98fc-0d1d470aa0d7 2006-07-27T01:25:48Z 2006-07-27T01:25:48Z

hahhaaha gonna make take offs and landings a joy to watch.... LOL!!! Bare

LyingBare 2006-07-27T01:25:48Z Steven http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#4683978e-3862-41f5-a6ef-03484a66377a 2006-07-27T00:31:10Z 2006-07-27T00:31:10Z

>Re: my clockwise comment, I gather that we go from 4:00 to 4:15 on the Esplanade and Anxious You could also be on the Esplanade between 3:45 and 4:00. You might not even be on the corner. But since there are no camps listed at 4:00 and Esplanade there is a good chance you are on the corner.

Steven 2006-07-27T00:31:10Z automatthew http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#6abae559-1edc-4ce2-a7a6-68b0c55fd4f4 2006-07-26T23:59:25Z 2006-07-26T23:59:25Z

it is pretty frustrating. i mean any kind of configuration would have been fine. just on the same block would have been brilliant. but no...

automatthew 2006-07-26T23:59:25Z Kamikaze http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#f043d599-9485-4ba2-b83e-01b59847eeb8 2006-07-26T23:58:16Z 2006-07-26T23:58:16Z

Dammit! They placed the runway sideways! It's gonna get ugly at the Airport this year... Ohh, the humanity! KK

Kamikaze 2006-07-26T23:58:16Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#992c024e-616a-4778-b0dc-209a1b421d03 2006-07-26T23:57:40Z 2006-07-26T23:57:40Z

So does that mean I might have gay neighbors? Oh the horror! What is this city coming to? What about my property value? Think it'll go up? Sorry, couldn't resist. Truly, I feel for you. I understand your frustration.

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-26T23:57:40Z automatthew http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#e26e144c-6320-4d86-b582-60e5a3e20f4d 2006-07-26T23:56:01Z 2006-07-26T23:56:01Z

this is horrible! we were trying to get all the gay camps to be close together this year and they completely seperated us! argh!

automatthew 2006-07-26T23:56:01Z pupup http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#1018438f-6644-44b9-b1c4-329ec87d4f17 2006-07-26T23:51:49Z 2006-07-26T23:51:49Z

sectors are the divisions for the placement folks your lead campers will talk to upon arriving. as i understand it, there's one team per sector to get everyone properly located. its an administrative construct, which is why there's not a public map for it.

pupup 2006-07-26T23:51:49Z Peter http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#049104c1-1aae-4936-a8dd-a5bb505e03a0 2006-07-26T23:36:23Z 2006-07-26T23:36:23Z

what's up with the sector's? they are not on the map

Peter 2006-07-26T23:36:23Z robin http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#152e35e6-ce4b-4f4d-a781-1dd045277f45 2006-07-26T23:11:42Z 2006-07-26T23:11:42Z

wicked! i guess i was so excited about the placement i didn't read past that. ;-) thanks!

robin 2006-07-26T23:11:42Z ♪James http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#4ed80391-b7fe-484b-afc1-8fe402e659ff 2006-07-26T22:40:48Z 2006-07-26T22:40:48Z

Henry = Gallagher? hmmmmm

♪James 2006-07-26T22:40:48Z LyingBare http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#4c0fbbff-1ce9-4e9d-8b14-42f5732f0055 2006-07-26T22:40:18Z 2006-07-26T22:40:18Z

Robin the very first post on this thread has the city map attached...... Bare

LyingBare 2006-07-26T22:40:18Z Henry http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#dbd9abd0-eb86-4f11-a7e9-113dceda047a 2006-07-26T22:39:30Z 2006-07-26T22:39:30Z

better stand back unless you wanna get slimed!

Henry 2006-07-26T22:39:30Z ♪James http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#a03a340e-678d-4680-96f4-87d14b884bd1 2006-07-26T22:37:36Z 2006-07-26T22:37:36Z

Chthulu. (or simply "kraken" for you wussy spellers out there)

♪James 2006-07-26T22:37:36Z ♪James http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#89ed48b4-419e-4618-b6c5-e73487b905ce 2006-07-26T22:37:13Z 2006-07-26T22:37:13Z

And pleased to aim I'm sure!

♪James 2006-07-26T22:37:13Z think http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#6baba18e-f189-49f6-8dfc-48c03e4db048 2006-07-26T22:36:25Z 2006-07-26T22:36:25Z

>>>>>> >We're at 4:00 and Esplanade, This would mean you face 4:00, and are closer to Esplanade than to "A". However, there are no camps listed at 4:00 and Esplanade. If you are at Esplanade and 4:00, then you face onto the Esplanade, and are closer to 4:00 than to 3:30 or 4:30. <<<<<< We're a big camp - The Illumination Village: Esplanade>4:00>Anxious. Flaming Lotus Girls home base, Neverwas Haul(last year's clocktower gang), Dan Das Mann's group, Dr. and Mrs. Megavolt, Satan's Calliope, etc... 200'x250'x200' Re: my clockwise comment, I gather that we go from 4:00 to 4:15 on the Esplanade and Anxious

think 2006-07-26T22:36:25Z robin http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#13a532d1-257b-495f-9be2-3ed01a7c3d04 2006-07-26T22:34:10Z 2006-07-26T22:34:10Z

Is there a map online anywhere showing the theme camp areas as shaded or anything?

robin 2006-07-26T22:34:10Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#c1d0f936-641d-463c-9720-6315da8116d3 2006-07-26T22:23:44Z 2006-07-26T22:23:44Z

Not worried about broadcasting intent. If it's not permitted, we wouldn't do it.

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-26T22:23:44Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#345bb63b-3a29-45fb-bb74-09df72340c9e 2006-07-26T22:21:31Z 2006-07-26T22:21:31Z

I emailed our camp manager. I'll see what he says. Another option is we get a burn barrel for our camp - I hope it's not too late. That would help, if there's some fire in the plaza. Maybe we need to get all the fire spinners in Beta sector together (that's what they call us, Beta sector) and have a Fire Spin Jam one night? Hell, anything to let the rest of BRC know we're back there.

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-26T22:21:31Z Heidi http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#8180c71c-ea5e-4aa2-80ba-4c074d20aaa7 2006-07-26T22:14:12Z 2006-07-26T22:14:12Z

Officially, they'll rip your camp out by the roots if it's anywhere it's not supposed to be - before event opens to the general public. They say they'll be vigilant about it this year. However, there were definitely folks camping on not-theme corners well before event opened last year. Probably folks who're volunteering all that early week. They were noticably smaller than 100x200! (and broadcasting intentions in a public forum probably won't help keep you under the radar...)

Heidi 2006-07-26T22:14:12Z LyingBare http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#af993c4f-65b4-41d1-b5ee-907d3006f767 2006-07-26T22:10:36Z 2006-07-26T22:10:36Z

dusty.. whos in charge of your camp.... find out who your placer is.... talk to them.... and see if they can work with ya on a site that makes ya feel better.... it's not a guarentee but it's worth a try... But, DONT abandon your registered camp space.. that really messes up the system.... communicate with them about it... they are not Hard core.. and if they have it to change it.. they most likely will consider that..... ask em.... Bare

LyingBare 2006-07-26T22:10:36Z robin http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#c24a4565-24c6-4f68-9f06-b4422a777e5b 2006-07-26T22:07:01Z 2006-07-26T22:07:01Z

Landgrabbing.. I think if you are mapped and you don't take the spot you are mapped that is a no no.. You can do it.. but you might want to change your camp name. come to think of it i think i saw a few signs around in the from camps who decided to take a different spot to where they were mapped. maybe it's not that big a deal.

robin 2006-07-26T22:07:01Z robin http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#107d2619-3a6e-4db8-86d0-18828be3834b 2006-07-26T22:03:42Z 2006-07-26T22:03:42Z

we got 4:30 & Guess with a 100' x 100' camp. so not all the outer ring camps are big. I'm not entirely thrilled with it but super stoked we are on the map this year. 5 years and I've never been that far out before. but i plan to make the best camp possible on our assigned location and hope to make what connections we can to bring us closer to esplanade for next year.

robin 2006-07-26T22:03:42Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#5f2c9d0c-99b7-4895-8c9d-46fe94cd40a7 2006-07-26T22:02:53Z 2006-07-26T22:02:53Z

Can you land grab if you get there on Saturday or will they make you go back to your assigned area? I mean land grab a non-theme camp space, not an assigned space. How hard would it be to grab a 200x100 space? Will they let you bring and set up your own orange tape? The more I think about it, the more upset I get.

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-26T22:02:53Z ivydionne http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#9718b719-e07a-4040-8993-2835aa205c69 2006-07-26T21:55:12Z 2006-07-26T21:55:12Z

Okay, Love Love Love our placement at 7:00 and Chance. However, again... anyone know how large those village blocks are? I'm pretty sure that from A-B-C is 250' but what about between 6:30-7:00? I'm trying to figure out camp orientation and its a bit tough not knowing how big the entire block is. Help would be appreciated!

ivydionne 2006-07-26T21:55:12Z Heidi http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#74121249-1b6c-4efa-9bcf-dac019a064e8 2006-07-26T21:54:19Z 2006-07-26T21:54:19Z

I just checked and they put Space Cowboys on Espl again. Which is just plain silly. Space Cowboys are all about throwing a big party out on the open playa, leaving their camp dark and empty. A big, dark hole on Espl frontage! Booooooring. Put 'em on one of the outer edges facing the playa so they can get their rig in/out easily and still don't leave a big black hole on the Esplanade. Ivy too, if she needs a big entry/exit path for her plane. Ah, if I ruled the world...

Heidi 2006-07-26T21:54:19Z Heidi http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#5718472b-15dc-4774-9a25-21bff9155e65 2006-07-26T21:45:43Z 2006-07-26T21:45:43Z

Iron Rose is THRILLED with A/4:30. We Looooooove 4:30! and this year: We get We Are That Pig as tasty-bacon-frying neighbors!! Get that frypan HOT, Hans! (Sorry Dusty. It was pretty dead on C and 4:40 last year too. I can only imagine E or F.) I wonder if placement tends to put larger camps more toward the outer rings. We were offered an Espl spot if we could trim down to a quite-trim size, but we decided we liked being voluptuous. Maybe tiny camps are just easier to place in the little spots up close.

Heidi 2006-07-26T21:45:43Z Diana http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#78573806-e1ce-4819-9d81-41762639605d 2006-07-26T21:17:57Z 2006-07-26T21:17:57Z

I'm sorry for all the people who got placed in spots they didn't want, but I can hardly control my joy, we got placed exactly where we wanted at 9:00 and Brave. YAY!

Diana 2006-07-26T21:17:57Z LyingBare http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#19ac7cab-1f0d-4000-8ea0-970002fb2d71 2006-07-26T20:34:47Z 2006-07-26T20:34:47Z

Gessh... I so hate to say where we got.... makes me feel bad for those that got stuck in back... I'm sorry to hear that it sucks for you... I wasn't happy with our space last year but after we got set up it turned out ok... we had great neighobors... and the Flower opened on our street the first night it opened... what a sight... see ya all there... Bare

LyingBare 2006-07-26T20:34:47Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#9a40bc7e-f730-4478-96c7-cb6fccb0b791 2006-07-26T20:19:46Z 2006-07-26T20:19:46Z

And in the interest of full disclosure, while I maintain that our placement last year at 4:20 and Fetish sucked the back of Cheney's bag, it was also arguably the best year I've ever had on the Playa.

Timber 2006-07-26T20:19:46Z Henry http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#bd923ba1-a8fa-429d-a4d0-cc64ba2dffa2 2006-07-26T19:35:25Z 2006-07-26T19:35:25Z

we aim to please!

Henry 2006-07-26T19:35:25Z Scribe http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#a40c520b-9aa1-4c71-8857-c6e1d6d5c94a 2006-07-26T19:32:20Z 2006-07-26T19:32:20Z

Ku De Ta is at 3:00 and Anxious, close to OT and Camp Katrina's neverending bonfire. Stoked. All you wandering refugees from the boondocks, please stop on by for a chill.

Scribe 2006-07-26T19:32:20Z affinity http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#d9bfb6a7-8457-497d-9a33-0c4a71bc9475 2006-07-26T19:31:50Z 2006-07-26T19:31:50Z

Hi Henry: Y'all deserve the very best placement available....Congratulations. Japanorama, Bollywood, Azteca.....Maybe the most beautiful camp on the Playa, year after year.

affinity 2006-07-26T19:31:50Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#88b74c6b-82be-4648-87e0-5ebce538ff17 2006-07-26T19:26:27Z 2006-07-26T19:26:27Z

I was all good with no expectations. I was all prepared to be happy and optimistic no matter where we were placed, but with an entire fucking city at their disposal, did they have to place us in almost the exact same place as last year - you know, the space we complained about? I would've been happy and optimistic with anything different, I even like the 4:30 spoke. But this is the same block, so I know exactly what to expect. I haven't gotten feedback from my camp yet, so I'm hoping they are happy and their optimism will make me feel better. They have a way of doing that to me :-) If they feel the same way I do, I'll propose finding a trade for us, but it's totally not my call. It would have to be the same space though, there's no way we could go smaller. 200x100.

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-26T19:26:27Z Ivy http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#3fd1d5ba-093e-487b-89a8-de4bda841e12 2006-07-26T18:34:46Z 2006-07-26T18:34:46Z

How is it that we requested to be on the Esplanade and ended up a few streets back, and camps who requested to be a few streets back ended up on the Esplanade? This is just stupid. I am so frustrated.

Ivy 2006-07-26T18:34:46Z ol' lil http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#89812fe8-e3bf-4ea5-9089-b9fb27d2d689 2006-07-26T18:32:52Z 2006-07-26T18:32:52Z

i'm tickled just the same!! although this year my journey home from shaking my thang, will be much longer :( Opulent Temple Woot!!!

ol' lil 2006-07-26T18:32:52Z Moon http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#13d1aed4-dbba-4361-a816-f2dbe8b6210f 2006-07-26T18:32:22Z 2006-07-26T18:32:22Z

Holy suckling Cuthulu! We got better placement than we even dreamed! Esplanade and 5. Dusty, I'm sorry hon - that sucks. I was at 9:50 and Fetish last year.. That is the boondocks! Being this close to Center Camp, I'll probably pick up more shifts at the Cafe this year. Walking all the way home at 4am after working my ass off for 4 hours behind the espresso machine sucked bigtime last year.

Moon 2006-07-26T18:32:22Z Henry http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#8ad48830-2ec1-42ea-90d4-e8d32e48b645 2006-07-26T18:28:58Z 2006-07-26T18:28:58Z

la dolce vita will be at wheel of fortune & esplanade-looking forward to seeing all of you.

Henry 2006-07-26T18:28:58Z Lovemonkey http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#9d663eb4-c209-4481-92b9-aec2a680ee22 2006-07-26T18:20:48Z 2006-07-26T18:20:48Z

C'mon, Dusty. No expectations, baby! It may be very different from last year. Don't give up...hope.

Lovemonkey 2006-07-26T18:20:48Z *Syd http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#9aae6963-08c1-449f-9195-bc9c472a358e 2006-07-26T18:12:56Z 2006-07-26T18:12:56Z

Well sorry to any unhappy peeps but we (Opulent Temple) are tickled to be back on the 2:00 corner. : )

*Syd 2006-07-26T18:12:56Z lily http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#864528a8-ab81-410d-a26b-34b7858e09ca 2006-07-26T18:12:45Z 2006-07-26T18:12:45Z

ohh beautiful red nose district...i love you:)

lily 2006-07-26T18:12:45Z stephafreak http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#209c7548-7fba-47c6-8256-161aeeb49616 2006-07-26T18:09:04Z 2006-07-26T18:09:04Z

We asked for 7:00 and maybe D, E, or F, and got... 300 & Eager. Can we trade? Or does that just make things too crazy?

stephafreak 2006-07-26T18:09:04Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#fe49dd88-dcb9-40e2-934f-24f209c60603 2006-07-26T18:08:17Z 2006-07-26T18:08:17Z

We were at 4:20 and Fetish last year. What camp were you with? We found that we got a lot more foot traffic by day and that it was a ghost town at night. I'm fairly vocal (and sure, a *smidge* dramatic) about my feelings against the spoke design. It looks like they changed it up a *little* this year. We'll see.

Timber 2006-07-26T18:08:17Z Steven http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#92b31aef-f3a5-41f4-9e56-99e71805f647 2006-07-26T17:58:47Z 2006-07-26T17:58:47Z

>We're at 4:00 and Esplanade, This would mean you face 4:00, and are closer to Esplanade than to "A". However, there are no camps listed at 4:00 and Esplanade. If you are at Esplanade and 4:00, then you face onto the Esplanade, and are closer to 4:00 than to 3:30 or 4:30.

Steven 2006-07-26T17:58:47Z think http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#4892c758-f81c-4c60-98aa-4c1e4cab8918 2006-07-26T17:44:42Z 2006-07-26T17:44:42Z

My guess is that the time placements are listed clockwise. We're at 4:00 and Esplanade, expecting that we wrap clockwise to 4:15.

think 2006-07-26T17:44:42Z Unsubscribed http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#e39e58e4-4b12-4cc5-aae4-ce436bfb42cf 2006-07-26T17:43:35Z 2006-07-26T17:43:35Z

Our camp asked to be 1-2 streets back, around 7:30-8:00. They put us on the Esplanade at 6:30. I'd love to live in San Francisco again one day, but if I do, I don't think I'd want to live out on Ocean Avenue, or at Market and 1st Street.

Unsubscribed 2006-07-26T17:43:35Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#50266d1d-0686-44cf-9865-3af495a220a9 2006-07-26T17:39:03Z 2006-07-26T17:39:03Z

I'm sending you a PM.

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-26T17:39:03Z Ivy http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#f5e581d8-3952-4931-a243-97e6f40a8d7c 2006-07-26T17:30:01Z 2006-07-26T17:30:01Z

Hey Dusty, How much space did they give you?

Ivy 2006-07-26T17:30:01Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#9172d152-0f11-4808-9ba4-5a4dcb9c5762 2006-07-26T17:25:43Z 2006-07-26T17:22:10Z

We're in the 4:30 plaza, which puts us back on the F street. We were at 4:30 and Fetish last year. Okay, so here's my plan for this year. Do a really good job on my bike so it rides really well. Make a better basket so I can carry more stuff with me. Get up early and get dressed for the day and get out of camp. Bring food with me so I don't have to come back when I'm hungry. No cooking... it keeps me in camp too long. Accept the fact that we'll have no visitors. I love my campmates and want to spend as much time with them as possible, but at the same time, homebase is gonna be boring. I guess this is the year to see more art since the Esplanade is gonna be a lot tamer too, like last year. I love the spokes, but not the one layer deep esplanade and the attempt to push theme camps so far to the back. It doesn't work and it's unfair to the camps that get stuck back there.

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-26T17:22:10Z Addela http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#0553bd55-1f2c-421f-82fd-f1b72325514a 2006-07-26T17:20:19Z 2006-07-26T17:20:19Z

I'm sorry to hear that babe. Where did they put you guys?

Addela 2006-07-26T17:20:19Z ivydionne http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#91f30688-4239-4216-bdc2-c7d63e79e952 2006-07-26T17:14:44Z 2006-07-26T17:14:44Z

Dusty, yeah, I really don't like the spoke plan. We were way out in the boonies last year too. Works great if you're NOT one of the camps on the outer edges of the spokes. (We became a part of a larger village and ended up with good placement this year.) Sorry, hon, I really do know what it feels like. What's your camp placement?

ivydionne 2006-07-26T17:14:44Z Ivy http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#480e119a-9e52-4f6e-88c5-38067897848b 2006-07-26T17:14:43Z 2006-07-26T17:14:43Z

Same here, Dusty. Not only did we not want to be there, but I think we're going to have some serious issues trying to navigate Playa Air through the streets to where they put us. I just don't think it's going to work out, and I don't feel like there's much we can do about it. I'm really disappointed.

Ivy 2006-07-26T17:14:43Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#585b078e-8e21-406c-8225-05992e5a4cbc 2006-07-26T17:08:14Z 2006-07-26T17:07:31Z

Okay then. I'll be the first to say it. Bummer. They stuck us back where they stuck us last year even though we begged not to get stuck back there again. It's going to be just like last year. I prayed and prayed and prayed for different placement. I guess noone was listening. Sorry gang but I think I'm gonna cry.

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-26T17:07:31Z ivydionne http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#3b0e41d5-9881-4615-b1c2-2bee73982427 2006-07-26T17:04:21Z 2006-07-26T16:59:38Z

First street listed is your frontage road, correct? And how far apart are the A-B-C streets, 250'?

ivydionne 2006-07-26T16:59:38Z Jm http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#978c245c-2283-482b-9802-8478503f9a2a 2006-07-26T16:37:01Z 2006-07-26T16:37:01Z

YAY! Is it normal for a <300 watt camp to be placed at 2:00 ? - Jm

Jm 2006-07-26T16:37:01Z Bobzilla http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#bfadb48b-4c90-4fe9-9606-8fd40447e7c6 2006-07-26T16:32:03Z 2006-07-26T16:32:03Z

looks pretty final to me

Bobzilla 2006-07-26T16:32:03Z ol' lil http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#eed0d70e-afe3-4c7e-be91-1d025e020729 2006-07-26T16:30:08Z 2006-07-26T16:30:08Z

August first is only 5 days away....i would have to believe that this is final. Plus the location of some of the camps i know of, are in the right spots.

ol' lil 2006-07-26T16:30:08Z Lovemonkey http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#f061cc6e-6fb8-48e0-a0cb-4a07b4d579a2 2006-07-26T16:29:34Z 2006-07-26T16:29:34Z

They release them whenever they're done, so this is final. Yay!

Lovemonkey 2006-07-26T16:29:34Z Trilo http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#f6bf6169-0a44-43dc-a25a-f8d0eb8e7804 2006-07-26T16:23:04Z 2006-07-26T16:23:04Z

I believe it's final ~Trilo~

Trilo 2006-07-26T16:23:04Z LyingBare http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#72207f9a-ef30-40d5-bb58-56249559a75b 2006-07-26T16:11:34Z 2006-07-26T16:11:34Z

no reason not to think it's final... I can't imagine them releasing it if it wasn't final.... Bare

LyingBare 2006-07-26T16:11:34Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#8420831b-5823-47b0-8f77-0884a4447372 2006-07-26T15:57:41Z 2006-07-26T15:57:41Z

Is this final? They're not supposed to release it until Aug 1, or so I thought.

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2006-07-26T15:57:41Z Dustin http://bm.tribe.net/thread/a6368b9b-4fb1-4789-980f-e243dde6b2a0#a30353e7-3844-4a38-9aab-28f5093af794 2006-07-26T15:41:34Z 2006-07-26T15:41:34Z

List: http://www.burningman.com/themecamps/FinalCampList_06.htm City Map: http://www.burningman.com/preparation/maps/06_maps/06brc_map.pdf

Dustin 2006-07-26T15:41:34Z