Tribe.net. Local Connections Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#df5f1bc3-9777-4bd7-93cb-a9954e925d2b 2006-09-05T07:19:31Z 2006-09-05T07:19:31Z

Hey Harriet, So we arrived on Saturday afternoon with 3 of us on the list and 2 not. They checked our ID's and saw that 2 of the peeps were not on the list, so they had us hang out a bit while they radioed around and did the standard search. Our Gate person looked hot and tired while she waited to get the word from whomever was in charge so I offered her a cold Tecate. She said it was the first thing she'd been offered and thanked us, and then got the word that we were good to go as we had more people in the RV who were on the list than not. And she said it was largely a matter of attitude and good energy. The jackasses who got all up in arms over it were the ones who were detained in "Lot D" just off to the side. So yeah.... Sorry I ruined Burning Man for everyone. My bad.

Timber 2006-09-05T07:19:31Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#711d20d5-c950-456c-b1b2-127a99318cbe 2006-09-04T01:50:54Z 2006-09-04T01:50:54Z

this is hysterically funny! Some people have their panties in a twist because people can actually legally camp elsewhere in the Black Rock Desert? Its perfectly legal and lovely. BMorg isn't paying for the whole damn desert you know (that would cost more), they only paid for their tiny little section of it. I say fucking BRAVO to all those camping outside the BM perimeter... if its outside the public closure zone (which doesn't look that big anyway)...fucking Right On. I think its wrong that part of the road is off limits (if you wanted to just drive past the event into the desert). How does that "fuck up BM"?? How does it "fuck with the staff"?? Feel lost without that sense of power and control, do you (ahem, Evil)? I hope all you free-thinking campers had a fucking blast.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-09-04T01:50:54Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#9f82740a-242f-4840-9203-4f151a29ebb1 2006-09-03T21:33:17Z 2006-09-03T21:33:17Z

I showed up Sunday 08/27 at 16:00 PST. I had been fretting on the drive out from Oakland about how I would talk my way in through the gate. I had a few names to drop. I waited for ninety minutes, left calf exhausted from working the clutch in first, before I was waved into will-call. Will-call went flawlessly. then I was back in line for another 45 minutes while the gate guy, working his ass off, ignored me and the line of cars behind me, trying to reach the gate. By then my nerves were relaxed. I had a story prepped for entry, but while waiting two hours to show my ticket, I had seen no cars turning around. It was obvious they were letting everyone in. When I made gate at 18:00 sunday, the guy looked at my ticket, looked in my trunk, and waved me along. Then the greeters did me the favor of not delaying me, and I was in. The BORG plays its info loosely. I was waved in on Sunday without even being asked what camp I was in. Their bullshit and doublespeak about EARLY ENTRY RESTRICTIONS tires me. I'd like to hear some other early entry stories for 2006/

$item.owner.firstName 2006-09-03T21:33:17Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#465eedeb-c089-4227-b789-719f14ab12cc 2006-08-26T06:42:59Z 2006-08-26T06:42:59Z

<< oh, calling people nazi's reflects poorly on you.... remember? >> I didn't call anyone a name. I didn't call anyone a Nazi. I said the event is becoming nazified. There's a difference. Name-calling makes it personal. And extremely unpleasant. Call it as you see it? Sure, go ahead. But when you behave that way, it shows you are an unhappy person.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-08-26T06:42:59Z Neptune http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#36da633b-3e6d-4415-9c47-43df46967330 2006-08-26T03:03:49Z 2006-08-26T03:03:49Z

Whoa, guys, whats with all the name calling? you arent even face to face, probably dont know each other, & you're spitting at each other like school kids with nothing to lose! c'mon, forget all this, and whats the plan? 12 mile rd, or near the gate?

Neptune 2006-08-26T03:03:49Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#9d82e5d2-78db-47d0-a207-d31e58aabfbe 2006-08-26T02:46:46Z 2006-08-26T02:46:46Z

thanks harriet, i didn't know that. hey, i call it like i see it. assholes are as assholes do. oh, calling people nazi's reflects poorly on you.... remember?

$item.owner.firstName 2006-08-26T02:46:46Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#450cc986-8558-48d4-b94f-8d15ee9c8570 2006-08-26T02:45:01Z 2006-08-26T02:45:01Z

oh yes, you alone in what -three days- can plan out a two day party by exploiting a loophole. that makes you cordial? when your little plan flops miserably it'll be you we all remember, you and painy, for stirring the pot. fucking up burning man isn't 'helping out'. and camping outside the perimeter does fuck with the staff. don't act like you don't know this, and aren't doing this out of some juvinillle sense of retribution. so you are done with me? i'm so relieved... please, be done with me! btw, i'm already on playa...

$item.owner.firstName 2006-08-26T02:45:01Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#1425e18f-5eae-4325-9c18-efadda394d5c 2006-08-26T02:36:31Z 2006-08-26T02:36:31Z

<< only a few assholes like you would care to keep crapping all over >> Name-calling reflects very poorly on you.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-08-26T02:36:31Z novaTRON http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#bfc43f8b-a507-4066-ac45-58e7825e62a3 2006-08-26T02:14:50Z 2006-08-26T02:14:50Z

fuck chris. what a bitch

novaTRON 2006-08-26T02:14:50Z robert http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#c6b1ecb2-b016-4c90-8a50-127da39f1577 2006-08-26T02:05:01Z 2006-08-26T02:05:01Z

hi ya I know this is not the topic but how much is ice at burningman? peace robert

robert 2006-08-26T02:05:01Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#3b398f7d-8dad-4fe1-b973-c278bab4260b 2006-08-26T01:58:14Z 2006-08-26T01:58:14Z

Wow, Evil. Die in a fucking Fire. We're not fucking with the Gate staff. We're not fucking with anyone. We're attempting to make the best of an F-ed up situation, and you have brought nothing but bile and vitriol towards anyone and everyone who has tried to find a solution. I don't fucking claim to know it all. I just wrote a letter to the BLM and posted my response because I'm trying to help out. Remember that? Remember helping each other out? That was the biggest thing that moved me from my first Burning Man. How much we take care of one another. Because regardless of the info I've posted, you WILL have a bunch of people who show up who are not on the EA list. And your answer seems to be, "Fuck off, someone should have told you. Haul your ass back to Reno and we'll see you when the gates open". In my posts about this, I have advised against being anything but cordial to the BLM staff or LEO's who show up. I have reminded people to handle their own MOOP. I have only given suggestions that we're Ok'd by the BLM. I am unbelievably DONE with you. My gift to the gate staff this year is that I won't hold you against them.

Timber 2006-08-26T01:58:14Z Neptune http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#6a5be0ba-c9ed-4891-9b73-913b037791ec 2006-08-26T01:49:26Z 2006-08-26T01:49:26Z

whats wrong with wanting to get there early to make the week just a wee bit longer, but not being allowed in, and then trying to come up with alternatives? agreed, it would probably get a big slap on the head, bouncing in between the BM & BLM authorities, along with possible unruliness and lack of somewhere to shit, but at this point, i would think seriously about coming earlier if i could get a ride, just to meet a bunch of people in a little pre-burn gathering and make new friends and see whats going to happen... ...anybody seriously thinking of doing it?

Neptune 2006-08-26T01:49:26Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#e6cbfa0b-e8df-46d8-90a1-40401182a745 2006-08-26T01:20:51Z 2006-08-26T01:20:51Z

harriet, let the thread die. it wants to die. it would have had it's natural death a looooong time ago (virtually speaking) except for the great all knowing timber who knows it all. only a few assholes like you would care to keep crapping all over the bm experience with an idea like this.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-08-26T01:20:51Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#e48cdbc2-efc1-444d-8021-a0ecc944b963 2006-08-26T01:16:36Z 2006-08-26T01:16:36Z

you are a big bunch of spoiled brats. the whole thought of doing what you are planning is FUCKED UP. i never realized burners could be so ungreatful, selfish, negative, and foolish. i have a feeling everything is going to be alright, and all your dumbnuts plans to fuck with the gate/perimeter staff will be foiled... my opinion is you should be sterilized, slapped upside the head, and sent home to cry to your momma. jerks.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-08-26T01:16:36Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#e9e6ceb3-8c97-4384-8ba9-e2329466fb6d 2006-08-26T01:10:39Z 2006-08-26T01:10:39Z

Um, you pick up your own MOOP. We're Burners. That's a no brainer. I've brought up the No Toilets. Hopefully there will be some RV's in this situation who can possibly take up a collection to get a pump out during the week in exchange for a day's use of their potties, (not for EVERYONE mind you). Be responsible. Take care of one another. Bottle your pee if you have to. And somehow I doubt that THOUSANDS of people are going to be in this situation. There are in fact a lot of folks coming early who actually got onto the Early list.

Timber 2006-08-26T01:10:39Z A_delle http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#efc2a00c-2425-4654-a93f-a69f51fca48e 2006-08-25T21:08:57Z 2006-08-25T21:08:57Z

"Another federal regulation gone sour. " the operative word here being FEDERAL. of course, what do we expect when the feds get involved? they obviously don't want us to have too much fun! off to pack! see y'all at home, one way or another!!!! A_delle

A_delle 2006-08-25T21:08:57Z Les http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#20a059f7-4f0c-4b69-bfce-2c6138576b1e 2006-08-25T19:28:17Z 2006-08-25T19:28:17Z

This all sounds very bad. I'm affraid its going to back-fire. We can't go in early because BM has to pay a fee for each person to camp on BLM land, so now thousands of people are going to camp outside the perimeter without paying any fee. No rules, no roads, no toilets. Who's picking up all that moop? Another federal regulation gone sour.

Les 2006-08-25T19:28:17Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#262611d0-af2f-4232-a48d-2344ba831185 2006-08-25T19:00:43Z 2006-08-25T19:00:43Z

Timber, thanks for getting all this info together! I'll do some bumping once you're outta here! Hope our paths cross out there!

$item.owner.firstName 2006-08-25T19:00:43Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#9935d9fd-57d2-4700-83c6-46d0cdcbe599 2006-08-25T18:35:21Z 2006-08-25T18:35:21Z

Very possibly the last bump before I leave. Maybe.

Timber 2006-08-25T18:35:21Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#9b62a31c-7496-4e1f-97a3-51250494e604 2006-08-25T15:39:17Z 2006-08-25T15:39:17Z

Well I know there's the orange trash fence that surrounds the pentagon shaped Event Area, but is there also an orange border aroudn the Public Closure Area? That would be handy....

Timber 2006-08-25T15:39:17Z Howeird http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#f5175279-399c-4260-82d6-453fe02d56cb 2006-08-25T15:14:36Z 2006-08-25T15:14:36Z

8 Mile road is closed to the 'public.' Ticket and EA list people only until Monday.

Howeird 2006-08-25T15:14:36Z Howeird http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#a7fb4121-0c19-451d-b405-75752a807584 2006-08-25T15:11:56Z 2006-08-25T15:11:56Z

For a better playa experience, continue past the entrance and take 12-mile a few miles - then make sure you GET OFF the road (compressed playa 'groove' from decades of travel.) and LIGHT up your camp, like your life depends on it.

Howeird 2006-08-25T15:11:56Z Howeird http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#88eb7a30-17d7-4d72-ac27-f24aae488d37 2006-08-25T15:07:44Z 2006-08-25T15:07:44Z

There is the 7 mile long bright orange trash fence to mark the perimeter. Last year I overshot the entrance in the dark, and entered at 12-mile by mistake (along with the three following cars.) A Black Rock Ranger/ Perimeter pickup truck soon intercepted us and got us turned around.

Howeird 2006-08-25T15:07:44Z Paynie http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#0e0c6645-b6e8-45d3-a108-a25a9b865115 2006-08-25T07:21:26Z 2006-08-25T07:21:26Z

Speed limit, my ass. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_speed_record And it was the Brits who did it. Silly Americans with their speed limits and all.

Paynie 2006-08-25T07:21:26Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#7ffb566f-499a-47e6-abdf-9c33775b9e9d 2006-08-25T06:54:28Z 2006-08-25T06:54:28Z

Well, I tend to agree with you regarding getting as close to the entrance as possible. The only thing is, I don't think you can baja off of 8 Mile Road (the entrance to the Burn) and just drive south a 1/2 mile. If this is the same entrance as years past, there tends to be a good bit of scrub brush as well as a temporary fence, (if I recall). So I *think* the only way to get that close would be to actually enter on 3 Mile Road and then drive up toward the gate(ish) area. I ahve no idea, but rather doubt, that the Public Closure Area will be marked off in any convenient to see way. I'm sure if you are camping inside of it, a BLM Ranger will come along and let you know. In fact, if we do get turned away, I may just ask if there are any BLM Rangers that can point us or lead us outside of the PCA and then set up. I have no idea how this is going to turn out. I guess I'll find out in about 36 hours.

Timber 2006-08-25T06:54:28Z Neptune http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#d2c68245-0199-4dcf-a0bc-4cabb4bf8971 2006-08-25T05:28:53Z 2006-08-25T05:28:53Z

A friend & i were planning on heading out early, till he bunked out yesterday for lack of $$, now ive been online all afternoon looking for a ride- i would still love to get out on the playa early, after all, its only one week out of the whole year, if i can prolong it a couple days, i will- so then, is it sounding like 12 mile rd's gonna be the place, or just as close as we can get to the entrance? that would make more sense to me, seeing as most people will be at the gate when they find out they cant get in, and will have no fucking clue about the camp a few miles away. plus, if we want the real tailgate party to happen, better be where we can be found by anyone who's never even seen this thread. People like me who get rides in with no car can then persuade their ride to drive back a half mile and drop them off, but if you are all up 12 mile rd, there's no way thats ever going to happen. a couple more points: we'll be first in line when the gates open, and we'll also be within possible walking distance of the gate keepers' portapotties. seriously, whats the fun in a pre-party if we all have to hold our asses for two days? Oh, and on that note, anyone know of a ride from berkeley? or have room for me and modest gear & a unicycle? i can pitch in for some gas...

Neptune 2006-08-25T05:28:53Z Howeird http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#6d5f4b25-c003-44a9-bb33-3678670734ab 2006-08-25T04:34:47Z 2006-08-25T04:34:47Z

< 30' RV > You should be fine Timber - just watch the dropoff when the blacktop ends.

Howeird 2006-08-25T04:34:47Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#426c55da-8931-4246-9231-a2a27525acb9 2006-08-25T02:35:58Z 2006-08-25T02:35:58Z

Seriously?

Timber 2006-08-25T02:35:58Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#8c902862-b0fc-460d-bad9-938b7ad0940e 2006-08-24T23:36:58Z 2006-08-24T23:36:58Z

Bumping my thread so much is starting to sound like a euphamism for masturbation, albeit not a very flattering one...

Timber 2006-08-24T23:36:58Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#c944a148-9caa-41cf-84e1-c350b1955682 2006-08-24T20:32:47Z 2006-08-24T20:32:47Z

Fnord

Timber 2006-08-24T20:32:47Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#7c15e753-dbb1-47ca-b7ce-de68cecbda58 2006-08-24T18:14:48Z 2006-08-24T18:14:48Z

Shameless bump for Thursday.

Timber 2006-08-24T18:14:48Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#2a2f661c-cea0-43d7-904e-23ca33aa9d77 2006-08-24T17:24:30Z 2006-08-24T17:24:30Z

That's the one =) Given how much hullaballoo there's been over this, I'm kind of surprised that more folks aren't chiming in with where they will be. From the initial outrage it sounded like hundreds would be left outside. Or is everyone just packing? =p

Timber 2006-08-24T17:24:30Z Lillie http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#f444e782-df85-493a-829c-87987365a4a1 2006-08-24T17:16:05Z 2006-08-24T17:16:05Z

I hope this loads but I think this is it http://www.nv.blm.gov/Winnemucca/recreation/Burning-Man_Public-Closures_2006.pdf

Lillie 2006-08-24T17:16:05Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#55291693-f516-4ca6-bb93-cd1c4f2a279a 2006-08-24T16:41:22Z 2006-08-24T16:41:22Z

Er, 30' RV. Not sure if that will matter, but just in case.

Timber 2006-08-24T16:41:22Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#30fc53f3-2053-4c76-8d01-182811c1a618 2006-08-24T15:30:57Z 2006-08-24T15:30:57Z

Hmmm, ok well we're going to be in a 40' RV. Will the road accomodate us while we drop off our peeps? Or should we pull over and scout a bit?

Timber 2006-08-24T15:30:57Z Howeird http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#674d1eca-c402-4eb5-93a8-e68ddb7b206d 2006-08-24T05:51:47Z 2006-08-24T05:51:47Z

My line is turquoise, but yes 12 Mile is the 'on-ramp' for West Playa Rd (which I had never heard mentioned by name before.) The road is just a bunch of wheel ruts and compacted tire tracks - and some of them are 'exciting', but otherwise easy to follow unless your in someone's dust - which we all know aint good. I believe the speed limit is 45 mph on the Playa but 65 mph felt good to me, before I knew the rules, one year I visited the actual Black Rock. If you are entering the event I think it is 5 mph or something very low, anyway)

Howeird 2006-08-24T05:51:47Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#d957f765-787f-4848-a86c-f00ae0c6463b 2006-08-24T05:37:39Z 2006-08-24T05:37:39Z

So looking on the map, we're talking the green line or West Playa Road, yes? Everything north of that green line is out of the Public Closure Area, and so is fair game. Is the West Playa Road the same thing as 12 Mile?

Timber 2006-08-24T05:37:39Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#6d2f160d-bfee-4052-bb48-aa2ebf2f4938 2006-08-24T05:18:29Z 2006-08-24T05:18:29Z

Once again, I myself will NOT be hanging out outside. I'm on the Early List and need to go in to help build our camp. However, I am dropping off a couple of folks (who are in another camp) who will need to camp outside, and would love to hang out with other people. If 12 mile Road is the call, that sounds good to me. Though they would need to rely on a kind soul to help take them on Playa once the gate opens.

Timber 2006-08-24T05:18:29Z Howeird http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#e58afb19-93d0-4d80-903a-de6d43520996 2006-08-24T03:42:15Z 2006-08-24T03:42:15Z

12 Mile is my favorite. 3 mile is close too close Gerlach for the real Playa experience and watch out for those dunes on that side - they are small buttreachorous. I am on the EA list, but may well check out the vibe at 12 Mile on the way in. Deep Playa is incredible without the glare of lights.

Howeird 2006-08-24T03:42:15Z Steven http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#a8bd77ab-9357-480a-92b0-77c5bf1597f1 2006-08-24T03:00:27Z 2006-08-24T03:00:27Z

>Or there's the 12 Mile entrance and any point north of that road. After the 12 Mile Entrance the road turns west away from the playa. It is the last good entrance; OK, maybe it is the last real entrance. (You could take the road to Soldier Meadows and eventually end up on the north end of the playa, but driving on the playa would be faster.) After 12 Mile most of the land is private and not BLM. If I was going up and staying on the playa for a few days before Burning Man I would go to the 12 Mile Entrance, and then go 3-5 miles up the playa, turn left, and look for a nice place to camp. It is closer than going back to Nixon and going to Pyramid Lake and camping there. Camping by the lake is nice, but it is farther away. If for some reason I am NOT on the Saturday arrival list, this is where I will be! If I am not on the Saturday list we are "not" screwed? I am bringing all the wood screws! Timber, if we are both "screwed" I will meet you at 4.3 miles north of the 12 Mile Entrance!

Steven 2006-08-24T03:00:27Z Howeird http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#b5241b51-b565-4762-b128-10144fa39434 2006-08-24T00:54:13Z 2006-08-24T00:54:13Z

Well - this story actually made The Black Rock Beacon web site (heav ily edited, horribly spellchecked - altgough I guess 'an' is a word.) www.blackrockbeacon.org I imagine there will be more in the first on-playa edition. Please visit the Beacon's city desk with your 'Tales from the Gate.' Located on Nine O'clock Plaza.

Howeird 2006-08-24T00:54:13Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#1cbb535c-8fd6-446f-a8c6-86a6488662a3 2006-08-23T23:59:24Z 2006-08-23T23:59:24Z

Ok, I've received a few e-mails from people asking me where this "Waiting Man" is officially going to be. Dunno, really. Despite finding out all this info for folks not on the EA list, I AM on said list and will be going on when we arrive (allegedly, anyway). However, I will likely be dropping a couple folks who are riding up with us, but who are not in our camp. Would anyone like to take on leading this cadre of the disenfranchised? Officially claim where you intend to camp outside the Zone and then congregate there? This may or may not be a good idea. It's good in that it would be nice for those who have to wait around to have folks to hang out with. It could be problematic if that equates to several hundred disgruntled folks who react negatively to any BLM folks who stop by. (I highly discourage taking any of these frustrations out on the LEO's). Any thoughts? I know I've been saying just south of the entrance road, though I'm not sure if you can safely baja off that road and onto open playa. That could be the part overgrown with scrub brush. Or there's the 12 Mile entrance and any point north of that road.

Timber 2006-08-23T23:59:24Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#0609160e-4432-4104-bba9-b1d4475d789a 2006-08-23T23:17:52Z 2006-08-23T23:17:52Z

I'm afraid I don't understand your question. Just because there are no permits required by individuals to camp in that area, organizing a party of 35,000 people, trucking in all those potties, and settign up the infrastructure is a hell of a lot more invasive than an RV load of revellers or a few tents. And there's the point that outside the event area, there are no open fires permitted, so I imagine BMOrg has to pay for all of the open fire their activities bring. I'm sure you could find out exactly what it costs them and why if you really wanted to.

Timber 2006-08-23T23:17:52Z pupup http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#defffc76-8701-49cd-93b7-465037912e32 2006-08-23T22:15:48Z 2006-08-23T22:15:48Z

uhoh. neo is outside the construct.

pupup 2006-08-23T22:15:48Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#1892a641-4a98-4a60-bb81-882fad04f10a 2006-08-23T22:14:09Z 2006-08-23T22:14:09Z

So.. wait... given this information... we're paying $185-400 a ticket to attend the event... why? Isn't the event put on by the theme camps and artists? Sure the big man sculpture is nice to look at... but $185-400 nice to look at?

$item.owner.firstName 2006-08-23T22:14:09Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#83ab5e3f-156e-4d62-beb0-7580c32c7489 2006-08-23T21:04:36Z 2006-08-23T21:04:36Z

Sneh.

Timber 2006-08-23T21:04:36Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#d73e5792-1bb9-41a9-a756-55ab22b95fe4 2006-08-23T19:33:35Z 2006-08-23T19:33:35Z

Keeping this near the top.

Timber 2006-08-23T19:33:35Z Steven http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#14011539-014b-444c-a78b-f21c2aeb1d7a 2006-08-23T17:45:48Z 2006-08-23T17:45:48Z

There are only three "good" entrances to the playa from Hwy 34; 3-mile, 8-mile (Burning Man), and 12-mile. If I needed to camp for a day or two, waiting for Burning Man to open, I would enter the playa at the 12-mile entrance and then drive a few miles up the playa, and then camp between the west edge of the playa and the "west road" (which isn't really a road).

Steven 2006-08-23T17:45:48Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#8f6fe9ca-55f3-4085-ace6-b48c7dc0dc29 2006-08-23T16:14:12Z 2006-08-23T16:14:12Z

Ok, so here's the most recent e-mail exchange between Jamie Thomas at the BLM and I. I said: "Hi Jamie, Actually I do have one follow up question. On the pdf you sent, there's the Public Closure Area and the Event Area. The Public Closure Area states that fom 8/26 to 9/4, you cannot camp there unless you are a ticket holder. Well, the issue I described in my original e-mail is about getting into the event itself and people not being on the Early List, (i.e. getting in before 12:01 AM on Monday). Those people not on the list ARE ticket holders, they're just not on the Early Arrival list. Does that mean that they would be able to camp within the Public Closure Area until the gates opened, (after which they could access the Event Area)? Or should anyone who cant' get in until Monday still camp outside the Public Closure Area. Thank you for your help on this. This new policy is causing a bit of last minute scrambling." She replied: "It means that ticket holders can camp inside the EVENT AREA (within the larger Public Closure Area), but that no one, including ticket holders, can camp in the closure area OUTSIDE the Event Area during the closure period. The reason we included the phrase "except for ticket holders" in the description in the legend was to make it clear that ticket holders INSIDE THE EVENT AREA were exercising a permitted privilege. Jamie" So there you have it. We may NOT camp in the Public Closure Area until the gates open, but we CAN camp outside of it, which is kind of what I assumed anyway. So the idea of giong about a 1/2 mile south of the entrance road (or wherever you like outside of that blue zone on the map) is fair game. And once again, I would recommend printing out both the map and the e-mail exchanges that I've posted just to have on hand. Better to have some manner of paper trail than not.

Timber 2006-08-23T16:14:12Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#078d4476-45dd-4d27-8adc-5335559f945c 2006-08-23T13:00:26Z 2006-08-23T13:00:26Z

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$item.owner.firstName 2006-08-23T13:00:26Z Howeird http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#5f206b49-e25b-4c76-abe5-ae186f1a7539 2006-08-23T06:00:18Z 2006-08-23T06:00:18Z

Good work Timber - Expect something in your inbox soon. Knowing the playa quite well, I have to say the 12 Mile access road would be my choice as it leads you into the magnificent deep playa and you can really appreciate how vast it is. Plus you are headed right at The Black Rock most of the time, just like World Land Speed setter, Andy Green was when he broke the sound barrier - although he was over on the east side. So camping there is free; no permits required. Quite an experience I'd say, even if you are on the Early List. Although the knowledge that this area, and the 3 Mile access road area, are available it must still be a pisser for Theme Camp construction crews to know that they losing valuable time because of a 'technicality.' I assume that many of the old timers will innocently arrive without knowledge of the tighter regs. Would anyone like to guess how many folks will be affected by this? Remember, just ONE unlisted person in a vehicle is cause for denial of access. In the past, just knowing the name of your theme camp and having your camp manager's email printout was enough proof to get you in, and this system worked very well.

Howeird 2006-08-23T06:00:18Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#bed019d3-eb78-4b8a-86ec-738aaa97a348 2006-08-23T05:13:23Z 2006-08-23T05:13:23Z

Gonna keep this bumped as it's been such a hot button issue of late.

Timber 2006-08-23T05:13:23Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#c34a18ce-6275-45cb-b8f9-ac6934ab426c 2006-08-23T02:58:43Z 2006-08-23T02:58:43Z

Actually, I just wrote back to her (him? Jamie?) myself. I'll let you know what I hear. And yeah, if we ticket holders can in fact camp inside the blue area, then you'll be that much closer to the gate when it opens.

Timber 2006-08-23T02:58:43Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#69790425-726a-4008-918b-22a1a4248770 2006-08-23T02:42:01Z 2006-08-23T02:42:01Z

I'm guessing Can't. I know, they leave themselves wide open for interpretation by merely saying "ticket holder", but the same bet is outside the zone. However, you could be right. Maybe you *can* camp inside the zone as a ticket holder, but just can't go into the Event Area. Hmm.... I suppose you could always contact the BLM person I spoke to. Her e-mail address is at the bottom of my first post.

Timber 2006-08-23T02:42:01Z Kaellie http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#5a395bec-a514-45f3-83c0-df3cdca67b77 2006-08-23T02:36:13Z 2006-08-23T02:36:13Z

I must need a nap, because I'm still having trouble with the details ( I appreciate you taking time on this with me) So in laymans terms does that mean you CAN or CAN'T camp in the light blue area?

Kaellie 2006-08-23T02:36:13Z Paynie http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#fed51121-d9c1-4493-b66f-6d92f10a27b5 2006-08-23T02:04:36Z 2006-08-23T02:04:36Z

If I can't get all my people in (there will be four of us, including me) I'll be camping at "Waiting Man".

Paynie 2006-08-23T02:04:36Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#6de13543-63df-45c3-be97-4d561be00f90 2006-08-23T01:54:43Z 2006-08-23T01:54:19Z

The rules you are quoting there ONLY pertain to the Event Area and the Public Closure Area. Per the e-mail that I originally posted (which is from the BLM) anything outside those zones (so just the Blue one which is inclusive of the other) is fair game.

Timber 2006-08-23T01:54:19Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#37812b47-fce0-4cda-915b-94b52738d603 2006-08-23T01:52:01Z 2006-08-23T01:52:01Z

Not sure on the "where", but yes it does seem absurd. But then, absurdity is common place at BM, so there's that. My suggestion would be about a 1/2 mile south of the entrance road, as that seems to be the closest you can get for Sunday midnight. I myself am on the EA list, but may have to drop off a couple folks, and will look for the Burner Shanty Town.

Timber 2006-08-23T01:52:01Z Kaellie http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#67394060-6287-4c4c-a8c5-b835af72035b 2006-08-23T01:44:50Z 2006-08-23T01:44:50Z

Hmm, Ok. so please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to say "Public Closure Area 8/26-9/4 Public Camping EXCEPT for ticket holders prohibited Motor vehicle use prohibited" Doesn't it seem then, that as long as you are a ticket holder and park your car on the road, that you can in fact camp in the light blue area? Wait- But then above that is says "8/11-9/18 Public use prohibited" I'm utterly confused, has anyone contacted BLM about the apparent cross communication? Does anyone know for 100% _please don't post if you are only speculating_

Kaellie 2006-08-23T01:44:50Z Paynie http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#65debe3d-ac0b-48d9-ab13-73bc69e47d88 2006-08-23T01:37:04Z 2006-08-23T01:37:04Z

Does anyone else see the absurdity/humor in this? We're not allowed on the BLM land because it cost money, so we're going to camp on BLM land just down the road. (yes, I think I'm on the EA list, but this is just funny) ps. I have a 5k genny, some lights and PA ..... and a stack of vodka.

Paynie 2006-08-23T01:37:04Z Paynie http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#654c8c50-b442-43cf-a3ee-cb567033880f 2006-08-23T01:33:23Z 2006-08-23T01:33:23Z

So Timmy, we is all this happening? Maybe a few hundred yards up "3 mile road". Then anyone not allowed in will know were "Waiting Man" is.

Paynie 2006-08-23T01:33:23Z SUPERDAN!!!! http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#9e9b0cd0-fd67-4869-9293-bb847102b49a 2006-08-23T01:24:03Z 2006-08-23T01:24:03Z

Good thinking on the potty call.

SUPERDAN!!!! 2006-08-23T01:24:03Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#bb144e72-98a9-444a-a714-a5df91381e6b 2006-08-23T01:02:42Z 2006-08-23T01:02:42Z

My lovely fiancee just brought up a good point to me. While anyone can camp outside the Public Closure area, there are, to my knowledge, no Porta potties. I guess folks in RV's will be ok, but it's something to keep in mind if you will be camping out there. Pack those porta johns.

Timber 2006-08-23T01:02:42Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#3d248747-e065-49d2-a6ce-d7786abfa744 2006-08-23T00:58:25Z 2006-08-23T00:58:25Z

Yeah you know I may just hijack the color printer here at work and bring copies of the map and e-mail just in case. In fact, if you are not on the Early Arrivals list, I strongly recommend you do the same.

Timber 2006-08-23T00:58:25Z )'( Mr Skirblah )'( http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#36a7849b-6055-435c-aa97-78a88ee9858a 2006-08-23T00:56:18Z 2006-08-23T00:56:18Z

superdan, you're super!

)'( Mr Skirblah )'( 2006-08-23T00:56:18Z SUPERDAN!!!! http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#b7defd61-db50-4410-9466-e30f0c6a03a9 2006-08-23T00:55:34Z 2006-08-23T00:55:34Z

I got the JPEG up in this tribe's photo album. http://bm.tribe.net/photos/48082b33-3aef-49f3-8f62-06df6787e222

SUPERDAN!!!! 2006-08-23T00:55:34Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#b90d4f28-bd0f-4d81-9199-e0c9450442c8 2006-08-23T00:54:37Z 2006-08-23T00:54:37Z

Ah, it'll be so close it will be like a big tailgate party. Far more desirable than schlepping back to Pyramid Lake or Reno.

Timber 2006-08-23T00:54:37Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#762d038d-66ff-43e9-b176-b3bb01e4edbc 2006-08-23T00:52:21Z 2006-08-23T00:52:21Z

And while we're thanking folks, thanks to das Chukkster who sent me the link to the BLM contact in the first place.

Timber 2006-08-23T00:52:21Z SUPERDAN!!!! http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#6f084228-4dbb-45cc-95ed-0802efe4378e 2006-08-23T00:52:16Z 2006-08-23T00:52:16Z

But looking at this that info appears wrong. I guess those entrances will be open as long as you don't stray into the closure areas.

SUPERDAN!!!! 2006-08-23T00:52:16Z Paynie http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#71ae913f-6e58-4235-911e-99f0a904d5f5 2006-08-23T00:52:09Z 2006-08-23T00:52:09Z

Waiting Man http://bm.tribe.net/photos/e96aac4f-69f0-49d8-8d35-08b02c77fd59

Paynie 2006-08-23T00:52:09Z )'( Mr Skirblah )'( http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#6d7d39bd-4be4-4461-b72e-74dad4e89b8d 2006-08-23T00:51:56Z 2006-08-23T00:51:56Z

could not get it to export to a JPG.... BLARG indeed!

)'( Mr Skirblah )'( 2006-08-23T00:51:56Z SUPERDAN!!!! http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#d71dd799-02cb-493f-812b-bc1059d2f2c9 2006-08-23T00:49:33Z 2006-08-23T00:49:33Z

From what I've been reading both the three mile entrance we've been using and the 12 mile entrance which is past the one we will be using this year are closed and part of the closure zone. I assume there are other entrances but I don't know where they are.

SUPERDAN!!!! 2006-08-23T00:49:33Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#ebae754e-27ef-4fa6-bcfd-3fce96bbda98 2006-08-23T00:47:55Z 2006-08-23T00:47:55Z

And there you go. Harriet, you ROCK.

Timber 2006-08-23T00:47:55Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#cfb5804d-2b61-4b2b-a000-1b5f0df2af31 2006-08-23T00:47:13Z 2006-08-23T00:47:13Z

Thanks =) Ok, back to business. I just looked at the map again and using their legend, it looks like if you go a quarter mile south of the road that will take you into the event (just after you turn off of County Road 34, that is), you will be out of the Public Closure Area. Again, we have a team of samurai working on posting said map, (or hosting it somewhere for greater clarity), but I wanted to give people updates until that happens.

Timber 2006-08-23T00:47:13Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#a2828623-fd3d-43c9-aec4-e1438ed0b3f5 2006-08-23T00:45:47Z 2006-08-23T00:45:47Z

by the way James it 's all your fuckin fault for making me sing... Take me hoooommme

$item.owner.firstName 2006-08-23T00:45:47Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#0bae9bec-dd49-41dd-be85-59f1bb8f7785 2006-08-23T00:45:16Z 2006-08-23T00:45:16Z

Here's the pdf: http://www.famouslibrarian.com/eplaya/2006_closures_access.pdf Will look at the jpg now.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-08-23T00:45:16Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#93054f3f-0290-4c5d-bcb8-bc8e2498cbe1 2006-08-23T00:44:04Z 2006-08-23T00:44:04Z

and that fuckin rocks!!!

$item.owner.firstName 2006-08-23T00:44:04Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#7cafb944-45a8-4964-927f-202ee0517013 2006-08-23T00:42:52Z 2006-08-23T00:42:52Z

That's all I'm tryin' to say! I'm an a-hole sometimes, but I try to at least be a productive a-hole.

Timber 2006-08-23T00:42:52Z ♪James http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#2a8160e8-7c6d-4031-a685-08318640f994 2006-08-23T00:41:24Z 2006-08-23T00:41:24Z

Mountain Momma!

♪James 2006-08-23T00:41:24Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#b8cc21db-e5b3-4bfa-9c57-26b7ee887f5d 2006-08-23T00:40:51Z 2006-08-23T00:40:51Z

Now THIS is what burning man is all about... people reaching out and helping instead of seeing how fucking rude they can be....good job... Take me home....country roaaadddd...

$item.owner.firstName 2006-08-23T00:40:51Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#e092bde1-9645-40d4-8c60-6186e3fd7e64 2006-08-23T00:31:11Z 2006-08-23T00:31:11Z

Sending it now.

Timber 2006-08-23T00:31:11Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#6c61b1cc-db9a-46f3-9c24-76d395920132 2006-08-23T00:29:08Z 2006-08-23T00:29:08Z

Ps. If you send me both the pdf and the jpg, I'll put the pdf somewhere that people can access it via a link, and I'll figure out what's up with the jpg that it won't load into the tribe album.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-08-23T00:29:08Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#f3cb8cb3-5ff0-460e-8356-569503a80189 2006-08-23T00:27:43Z 2006-08-23T00:27:43Z

<< Or if you are super web/computer savvy, let me know and I'll send you the damn thing and you can upload it here. >> Not sure I'm super savvy, but if you want to email the file to me, I'll fuss with it till I can get it to load. herself at gmail dot com I'm definitely interested in this information!!!

$item.owner.firstName 2006-08-23T00:27:43Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#e14f1079-a12b-48d2-81cf-986d17babd15 2006-08-23T00:20:24Z 2006-08-23T00:20:24Z

BLARG! Ok, I can't seem to upload the photo even though I've converted it to a jpeg. I just get the little red x in a box. So! If you want a copy of the pdf, send em a note here with your e-mail address and I'll forward that to you. Or if you are super web/computer savvy, let me know and I'll send you the damn thing and you can upload it here. Either way, it honestly looks like you will be able to camp within a couple miles. Enjoy.

Timber 2006-08-23T00:20:24Z Timber http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9a38e2f7-b091-478a-b1ea-7687f3715fb0#08651c06-de17-430f-bab3-3030db3ec811 2006-08-23T00:06:34Z 2006-08-23T00:06:34Z

Honest to Christ, ANOTHER thread?! Yep, the other one was filled with just too damn much speculation and crap being hurled like an all Chimp shot by shot remake of the Animal House "food fight" scene. SO! In teh other thread, I was directed to a BLM e-mail address. This is what I wrote to them: "Hello, Due to a change in the BM policy this year, it seems that there will be several people who thought that they were going to be able to get in before Monday who now cannot. Are there places nearby the event, but outside its boundaries, that people are able to camp until the gates open on Monday? And if so, where would we acquire a permit? Thank you in advance for any insights you can provide." And here is their response: "Tim, you do not need a permit to camp anywhere on BLM administered public lands in the vicinty of Gerlach. You cannot have open fires, but can use a propane or similar campstove. The only prohibition on the camping is that you cannot camp within the Burning Man Closure Area or remain in the same location longer than 14 days. I am attaching a map that indicates where the closure is. I hope this helps." This came from Jamie_Thompson@nv.blm.gov I am posting the map that she sent along that shows exactly where the Burning Man Closure Area is, and what lies outside of it. That is, if I can post pdf files or figure out a way to convert them to jpegs. So now, I FULLY expect everyone who is not on the Early List to camp VERY near the event and party their faces off until midnight Sunday.

Timber 2006-08-23T00:06:34Z