http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#79fa4242-3a1d-467d-a2f5-40f7f99fe8d5 Will they do better this year? Especially with the short time to post and get in? Tue, 28 Jul 2009 03:57:46 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#79fa4242-3a1d-467d-a2f5-40f7f99fe8d5 Crypto 2009-07-28T03:57:46Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#4eff5bd2-e769-4561-95d2-011611e80d6c //Don't wait to hear back from the volunteer form, or you'll be waiting all day. Call the office. // aaaah. its like that is it?! okie, will do. thanks for the advice. Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:55:00 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#4eff5bd2-e769-4561-95d2-011611e80d6c StacycatS 2008-01-18T00:55:00Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#08a37ccf-009b-4b95-bf68-a78575d15383 I know,,I was being an airhead..LOL Havent even gotten there yet and the heat is gettin to mah brain.:) Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:09:07 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#08a37ccf-009b-4b95-bf68-a78575d15383 ~Lynn-Lurker, Stalker, Storm Hoarder~ 2008-01-16T06:09:07Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#76f73c79-2bf0-4846-9b86-d6c0b268fc6d >> Why cant all of you, who do have an event, once you get the dates, >> location and true times down pat, start a new tribe it's already on-line (in fact, it starts out on-line), at http://www.burningman.com/calendar http://playacal.burningman.com/day.php locations/addresses are added when it goes to print (WWW) -- once the city is mapped. m/gm+ . . . Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:07:11 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#76f73c79-2bf0-4846-9b86-d6c0b268fc6d mike/gomonk+ 2008-01-16T06:07:11Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#68b5846a-b2a3-4440-b6c3-0772f9ebeb61 i couldn't agree more. not a single person in my camp of twenty was able to decode more than a handful of what was in the guide; i appreciate that the bmorg got someone to do it, but damn it was completely useless. they all ended up getting tossed to the side in the moop bag. i hope that they are able to take the criticisms and work positively with them for this year- it was disheartening to not be able to get to any events on time or on the right day or even decode where it was. please run the system blind to a few people this year before printing. just tell me what and where on the date appropriate- cross references were illegible and useless as was the map printed on it. simplicity before pretty. thanks! Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:45:18 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#68b5846a-b2a3-4440-b6c3-0772f9ebeb61 . 2008-01-16T05:45:18Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#6dec691e-827e-45c9-8f2c-15f9ad24bb00 LOL got it,,LOL Wasnt thinkin as usual..LOL It was the shiny objects I have someone else dropping in front of me in another tribe..LOL All sparkly and such..:) *rolls eyes and grins* Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:41:26 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#6dec691e-827e-45c9-8f2c-15f9ad24bb00 ~Lynn-Lurker, Stalker, Storm Hoarder~ 2008-01-16T05:41:26Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#55f5b2cf-3818-4a39-9e90-c9c37d6ba3fb It would be good for the people who participated, but not everyone who goes to the burn is a tribester (shock! recoil!) and then the people who lost their printouts or left them at home would miss out. Of course, one year someone I know accidently dropped her WWW into a piss puddle and was thereby sol. And there is the calender on the main Burningman website that the www info comes from. Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:27:38 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#55f5b2cf-3818-4a39-9e90-c9c37d6ba3fb Crypto 2008-01-16T05:27:38Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#43c0ef12-f268-4c06-b361-b831d3da6db6 It could work if one member of each camp, could allotte some time to do this inm between getting everything ready.. Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:22:08 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#43c0ef12-f268-4c06-b361-b831d3da6db6 ~Lynn-Lurker, Stalker, Storm Hoarder~ 2008-01-16T05:22:08Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#46d60a95-8a4c-426f-9bef-c7556c6b5598 Why cant all of you, who do have an event, once you get the dates, location and true times down pat, start a new tribe called the WWW, then everyone can write it down from there, until you guys can agree on and come up with, your own WWW website? That way, even if the rag doesnt perform quite right this year, at least everyone has some idea about what they want to see and where it will be and when, before they go?? Every camp start their own thread in there by the way. That will help keep it separate. Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:20:41 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#46d60a95-8a4c-426f-9bef-c7556c6b5598 ~Lynn-Lurker, Stalker, Storm Hoarder~ 2008-01-16T05:20:41Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#e8b6a751-a8a4-44ca-9771-2c987d7d4b9e Don't wait to hear back from the volunteer form, or you'll be waiting all day. Call the office. Ask who's in charge of the WWW and get their phone number (and email address.) Call them and ask when the first meeting is for the WWW, and tell them you really, really, really want to come volunteer on the WWW. Email them to confirm what they said and thank them for letting you help. Actually show up and work (avoiding too much mouth-flappage.) Accept libations, eternal gratitude and more work from happy Borg. Rinse. Repeat. Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:43:33 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#e8b6a751-a8a4-44ca-9771-2c987d7d4b9e Heidi 2008-01-16T02:43:33Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#2e5f443e-41c0-4c11-9a20-117d8b44d12f I know that many people use the WTF guide many different ways, but consider this use: 1)What day is today?? (rummaging around in brain, trying to recollect yesterday, much less last Saturday-Sunday-Monday's 48 hour marathon of packing-traveling-campsetup-friendvisiting-Manvisiting-crashing). Uhhh, I'm pretty sure it's Wednesday 2) What time IS it, anyway??? Knowing from the heat that it's obviously after 9AM, but still surprized to hear that it's almost 1:00PM. Well, so much for that tantric workshop at 11:00 that I wanted to hit... what else is going on today that I can get to-- i.e., 2:00 if I can reassemble my neurons that fast, but more likely 3PM. 3) Looking through the guide for things to do on Wednesday at 3PM. Simple task for simplified minds, right? I know it can work because it's how I've used the guide every year up until last year. With last year's guide, that was pretty much impossible. Restore that functionality and I suspect that there will be very many more happy campers on the playa next year. The thing that really confused me about the 07 guide was that they took something that, as far as I could tell, worked pretty well, and completely buggered it up. It almost seemed that one of the motivations was to save paper?? (being green, but also likely saving printing costs). But the thing is, that they pretty much had all of the same information (and therefore the same number of characters, same number of pages to print, etc), but they separated it into two sections, making them mutually and in combination, unusable. When I get frustrated about the BMOrg (and no, I'm not saying "Adam" into the mirror 3 times here...) it's over things like this, and the lack of after-event communication from them to say 1) we messed up and we're sorry, and 2) we think we've fixed it (which in this case, as far as I can tell, means just going back to how they did it before). My biggest question about the guide this year was "what problem did they think they were fixing?" As far as I can tell, they took the "if it ain't broke, snap it over your knee" approach. The biggest part of my frustration in this is that my one "intention" (with my partner) for last year was for us to take a bit of time every morning to take a look through the day's goings-on and to pick out an interesting workshop and go to it-- for mutual exploration of both the playa and other things... Just goes to show what happens with expectations out there. I knew that, and I'd be the last one to say that I was surprized that I got slapped up against my expectations (again), but, still. Hadn't really thought about this since my forced-march exodus from the playa (windstorm and lost trailer sorta distracted me), so thanks for the opportunity to vent. there. I feel better now. ;- ) Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:03:29 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#2e5f443e-41c0-4c11-9a20-117d8b44d12f Chris Jus'thinkin! 2008-01-15T23:03:29Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#1c7e0823-e91c-4a5d-9f3d-d97c2a1f934d Here's me planning a schedule at BM from the Who What When Where How Why Guide. -okay, 5:30 PM. 2 and B. Hot Burner Chicks half my age throwing an Orgy while building a nuclear weapon welding topless and serving free Blintzes- One block away from the Airport "Hey! Wanna beer?" 30 minutes later, at 6 and H "Hey! Wanna smoke?" 30 minush later, at 5 and E "Hey! Wanna cuddle, a beer and a smoke?" 45 minituae lasher at 7 and C "Hey! I've got some serious Absinthe...wanna shot?" 2 Trillion Pico seconds...latser matser look at the pretty Blintzing ligates laser..., at 10 and A Where was I? Where am I?? WHO the fuck AM I??? KK *last seen at Treago wandering into the desert* Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:50:43 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#1c7e0823-e91c-4a5d-9f3d-d97c2a1f934d Kamikaze 2008-01-15T22:50:43Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#fb31fded-16af-4633-bf53-68cb0052ff24 has anyone who filled out the form to volunteer for the 08 version heard back yet? Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:36:36 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#fb31fded-16af-4633-bf53-68cb0052ff24 StacycatS 2008-01-15T21:36:36Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#022423ab-839a-41f7-b1b9-ebe63ace999b I thought they had to sleep with them first and then you get hired. Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:22:36 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#022423ab-839a-41f7-b1b9-ebe63ace999b atom is ever changing 2007-10-03T19:22:36Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#b6f2ce53-a9e5-47ce-92c7-ec2f25a6e568 You mean people actually read the guide? I look online a few weeks before the event and "plan" stuff I want to go to. This is just to get excited, because year after year I've never made it to anything I wrote down. Except for the time I tried to go to the Bloody Mary Breakfast, and I guess I screwed up or they screwed up or the org screwed up and I got caught up in the World Naked Bike Ride. Besides, Burning Man works on Indian time, so that shit happens when it happens. Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:25:10 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#b6f2ce53-a9e5-47ce-92c7-ec2f25a6e568 Amanda 2007-10-03T18:25:10Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#9ced1c47-3b39-4902-b7ef-bbd9f04a236a They just half assed the SF Decom write up as well, can you spot the mistakes? The same green genius must still be working for them. Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:01:26 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#9ced1c47-3b39-4902-b7ef-bbd9f04a236a Razor 2007-10-03T18:01:26Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#46ced7a1-b97d-4ad3-9b2e-6bb94504f036 >>>I think it was written by Paul Addis<<< bwahahhawahaaaa! Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:56:57 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#46ced7a1-b97d-4ad3-9b2e-6bb94504f036 $item.owner.firstName 2007-09-17T01:56:57Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#e8d02110-835a-43c1-b5a1-6d69c15745fa richard, i like it when you talk dirty ohhh! yaaaaah! it would be hotter with a gps instead of an ipod. oh baby, if you do it for me, it'll be so good. i just know it. techno pimp forever, evil chris Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:54:14 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#e8d02110-835a-43c1-b5a1-6d69c15745fa $item.owner.firstName 2007-09-17T01:54:14Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#90418cb3-639c-4eee-b5ff-71cd1679f073 yeah, that thing was just punishing, I mean like camping in the heat & dust with little or no sleep isn't frustrating enough, it's best to do as Victoria suggests, "take a look at it and then just get your drink on and wander over to the petting zoo..." Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:46:10 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#90418cb3-639c-4eee-b5ff-71cd1679f073 brooke 2007-09-17T01:46:10Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#d9650642-4fa6-4809-9010-8bd6b7e1fee9 It was my first burn. With that said, that book was impossible - I found nothing that I was interested in. I finally just started riding my bike around finding theme camps and asking them what they had planned, creating my own list! Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:21:08 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#d9650642-4fa6-4809-9010-8bd6b7e1fee9 Goddess Rebecca 2007-09-17T01:21:08Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#eb5c02eb-0a78-489b-bf51-96e956e218f0 The event guide never left the car....nor did my personal notes. Sure I missed everything I had "planned" on attending...but I had FUN anyway! I met some amazing people, saw some amazing art and lost a day midweek.... ;) Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:15:12 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#eb5c02eb-0a78-489b-bf51-96e956e218f0 P∑ñGuïñ 2007-09-11T21:15:12Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#ea82142f-673c-4e8f-b6db-76008f5a168f //I would like to suggest that all those who had problems with the guide dedicate some time next year to volunteer and improve next years guides.// some of us are trying to do just that! :) Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:33:43 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#ea82142f-673c-4e8f-b6db-76008f5a168f StacycatS 2007-09-11T20:33:43Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#06506fd3-2790-4b91-a34e-447767ca8ef9 //I organized the BRC 5k this year. Online everything looked fine, but upon arrival things took a turn for the worse// i also suggest recording a PSA for BMIR and the other radio stations. you can do this before and email them a link, or you can record one on site at the BMIR location in center camp. i still think the WWW can and should be made better... but it is always a good idea to try as many things you can to get the word out! Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:28:32 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#06506fd3-2790-4b91-a34e-447767ca8ef9 StacycatS 2007-09-11T20:28:32Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#e2e404e5-8592-42c2-aaff-094b41c60603 I personally have never used the www myself - I feel that burning man is better experienced by having fun with what ever you come upon. I would like to suggest that all those who had problems with the guide dedicate some time next year to volunteer and improve next years guides. The majority of folks who work in the departments are volunteers - so if you have the ideas and the skills why not put them to good use. And then you too can have the joy of busting your ass herding kittens only to have a bunch of folks who may or may not have contributed to the event give you grief when they come home because they couldn't figure it out. And before you ask - I had nothing to do with the www's but I'm sure the folks that did work on it are loving this thread. I just thought I would stick up for them since I seem to be in the minority of folks who appreciate anyone who gives their time to the org to make sure things get done. And for the person who asked why they were underpaid (which I agree they are) - the org has only been making a profit for a couple of years now, I believe I read that this is the first year that the org was able to give full time employees a raise. My favorite in all this is all the people who go to burning man with a "schedule" of events they are going to see but don't bring a watch or clock with them so end up asking me for the time every five minutes... Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:27:37 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#e2e404e5-8592-42c2-aaff-094b41c60603 HepKitten 2007-09-11T20:27:37Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#2db4218a-93bc-4ebd-9420-a6938bb2dc1f I organized the BRC 5k this year. Online everything looked fine, but upon arrival things took a turn for the worse. I joked w/my campmates that the What Where When this year told you What was going on, but not Where or When. My event was listed What, but not Where nor When, so I had to go to the Playa Q and look up every theme camp that had anything to do with running, and then pay them a visit to advertise. Then I spent many a morning running all over the playa to stop runners and tell them about the 5k. Come the event, people actually showed up, but only those that I had met and stopped during the event itself. I wonder if a good alternative is to post notice on the posts at the ice camps. This can snowball, though, to creating a lot of moop and garbage. Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:20:05 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#2db4218a-93bc-4ebd-9420-a6938bb2dc1f Stephen 2007-09-11T20:20:05Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#48d5c492-8051-4a2d-8d7f-629d523a2fcd was nice to see you wednesday, regardless, shady! :) Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:04:40 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#48d5c492-8051-4a2d-8d7f-629d523a2fcd StacycatS 2007-09-11T19:04:40Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#8353bf1d-d5c5-4bd9-968b-9d252d717bc8 monday i looked through the WWW. saw an event i wanted to attend. spent a few hours trying to find it listed for the when and where. didn't find it. tuesday, woke up and checked again. didn't find it listed. went about my day. tuesday afternoon in the heat i began to look for the event again. a few hours later i found it. it had ended at 11 that morning. i gave up on the WWW for the rest of the week and opted to find things via randomness and serendipity. the above is actually true to my recollection and not exaggeration for poetic effect. the WWW was near useless. i hope they'll see what a travesty it was and never create such a worthless reference guide again. Tue, 11 Sep 2007 03:50:10 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#8353bf1d-d5c5-4bd9-968b-9d252d717bc8 Shady 2007-09-11T03:50:10Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#afa2e906-6693-4a30-bd8c-19c580bcc4de Its only use this year = another great toilet read for default world. Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:34:08 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#afa2e906-6693-4a30-bd8c-19c580bcc4de Samsa 2007-09-11T01:34:08Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#5a378fe7-291d-44b1-9feb-8e2fd7a454b6 I got pretty good at it in the end but I did miss many events because of the cross refrencing. I'm going to have to drop by and check your place out..... G Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:02:04 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#5a378fe7-291d-44b1-9feb-8e2fd7a454b6 Gary 2007-09-11T01:02:04Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#f3549d15-3d68-408d-a196-63105ab8b0df Gave up on the WWW the first day and decided to wander the inner city away from the wadlands and just be surprized. Stumbled onto Albino one night (best live band I've heard in eons), stumbled into the Steam Bath in the afternoon, met lots of very excellent people as a result of said travels. The WWW did suck and needs an infusion of the ideas posted in this thread. Would also appreciate that people who list events at various times actually have an event happening. Much frustration in previous years. I'm feeling less pissy, I must have changed. Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:40:28 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#f3549d15-3d68-408d-a196-63105ab8b0df $item.owner.firstName 2007-09-11T00:40:28Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#eed01b4b-629e-4ea0-a6a0-6145979231fe awesome ideas, antephor! someone is trying to fix the volunteer form, in the meantime i emailed volunteers at burningman dot com Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:07:22 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#eed01b4b-629e-4ea0-a6a0-6145979231fe StacycatS 2007-09-10T23:07:22Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#23985458-dea1-401f-a391-5539cc88b959 cute. Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:58:50 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#23985458-dea1-401f-a391-5539cc88b959 StacycatS 2007-09-10T22:58:50Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#73f6aaf9-e986-4cd7-bd0b-c1ff48c23b91 Fresh, I think the source of your frustration can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/2cm6lf Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:39:33 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#73f6aaf9-e986-4cd7-bd0b-c1ff48c23b91 Badger 2007-09-10T22:39:33Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#d19d7bae-a881-403d-8315-573da121d307 This year's WWW was perfect. The only component they didn't quite figure out was how to make everyone's watch run backwards inside the trash fence. Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:32:29 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#d19d7bae-a881-403d-8315-573da121d307 Geekster 2007-09-10T22:32:29Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#728370d2-1f72-42a0-b946-77f3b502a420 As with the original poster, I applaud the efforts of BM and all the great volunteers: a lot of people put a lot of work into this guide and created something very beautiful. It must be very frustrating for them to hear all the criticisms and to realize that despite all their hardwork they created something not very useable or useful to most people. But I still commend them on a very beautifully designed guide - I think this year the designers controlled the process instead of the useability folks like myself. Regretably, I had a lot of experience this year dealing with people frustrated and/or upset by the guide. As many have posted here and elsewhere, the WWW (or as we called it on-playa the What the Fuck) was pretty useless. Even if you only used it in the one way it was intended (check a time, then flip to description, then haul out map to find location) as other posters have mentioned information was quite often missing from either guide or map and/or wrong and it was a painfully slow way to find out about events. What saved me was the large sheet with deep-playa art that Artery gives out and the Green Map. Both of those were quite useful for the limited range of things they covered. Also useful were the directory camp locations and event entries participants entered into the PlayaInfo online Directory and onto the big map that was also hanging at PlayaInfo. Shortage of guides and maps was also a problem this year: friends went to both PlayaInfo and MediaMecca (whom they were told were originators of the guide) and neither had *any* spares of either the guide or map. Also having a printout of the Placement list was pretty useful but I still had to check the Directory and big map as some camps had to change location. As to the WWW, while some may have been ok with the only-one-way to use the guide, the majority of the folks that I spoke to (and as a volunteer throughout the week, I spoke to up to 50 people about the guide) found it unuseable. I had to literally explain how to use the guide and map together to at least 3 people (in other words, they just didn't get it) and the rest were just frustrated by it. So that was last year. What can we do to make next year's better? In addition to volunteering for (I guess it will be Media Mecca?) and to Stacy's good points posted last week, I would suggest the following: 1. The idea of one short one/two-line quick reference index and a second, fuller section is great but it should be reversed: full description in front and short index in back. In other words, the "by time" section should include *both* full event description and location as well as the start day. For the back/index section, instead of full length paragraphs, that section should be the short one/two liner section and contain only the event name, time, start day and location. With this "index" users can then flip to the front section by time and find the full description (and vice versa). 2. In the front section, where the time, event description, and location are, events should *not* be sub-divided by start-day. That was how they did it last year and it was a bad idea then and now. Events should instead all be grouped together by *time* irregardless of start-day and sorted *only* by time and then within each time range, in alphabetical order by event title (*ignoring* "a," "the" etc.). In years past, as with this year, events have been sorted by *start* day and then by time. This makes it very hard to find an event that starts Wed at 10am. Instead, just next to the time, put the start/end days (see below). Here is a made up example: if Antephor was hosting cocktails Wed through Saturday at 8pm, here is what the front/main entry might look like: 8:00pm-11:00pm Wed-Sat. Antephor's cocktail hour. Come join the pre-cognition ante-people for anti-matter coke-tales and other odd imbibements... Hosted by: Before Language within Camp No Matter, 4:37 & Coral Reef. The back index entry would look like this: Antephor's cocktail hour. Wed-Sat 8:00pm-11:00pm. Before Language / Camp No Matter 4:30 & Coral Reef The advantage to eliminating the start-day as a sorting method is that skimming all the 8pm or 10am events together is pretty easy, especially if the 2nd field for sorting is the alpha name. As to finding the day that the event starts, well that can be in bold or a different color (looks like they only used their 3rd color for the decorative motifs so that third shade/color in bold could be for the "Wed" in "Wed-Sat" to help it stand out. Also for the index entry, I would put Start day before time because when one is skimming events by subject the time is probably not as important as start day. I just tried filling out the volunteer questionairre but the link to www2.burningman.com appears broken. But I too plan to volunteer in the hopes that they get all the data right. see you, antephor Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:30:32 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#728370d2-1f72-42a0-b946-77f3b502a420 Incarnate 2007-09-10T22:30:32Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#182218fd-b4ef-4e27-8cf4-85453ba3c857 my project is not a themecamp, but it happens at a themecamp - a different one each year. I heave learned to use the very the *exact* name the themecamp used on their application for my WWW listing, in an effort to cut down on the likelihood of errors during the cross referencing they do to get addresses after the themecamp locations are announced. i havent had them list the event in the wrong location since 2004, thank goodness! ive had them list the wrong day, or not list it at all since then, tho. unfortunately i have no tips for those issues :( my wishlist so far: 1) give a character limit to the descriptions on the online submission form, and do not edit beyond that. people can provide links to other pages (tribe, personal websites, email) that have longer descriptions/info. 2) move the deadline back to after themecamp locations so people can add the *exact* location of the event (to the extent it can be listed exactly) themselves, ie "8:15" vs the intersection of "830", etc. or move the deadline up more to allow for more careful editing, and allow people to proof their listing after it has been prepped for print but before it actually GOES to print. 3) either go back to previous year's format or let people know the descriptions are separated so they can add pertinent time / location info to the descriptions, themselves. 4) find a 3rd party (volunteer or contractor) to give exported data to if the resources do not exist internally. its that important. Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:23:56 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#182218fd-b4ef-4e27-8cf4-85453ba3c857 StacycatS 2007-09-10T19:23:56Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#6f957a64-1ffe-42d1-92a5-3a2aa269a75b Unless the event happens to be being held by something other than a theme camp. Trying to find out where to sign up for "Fire Idol" was nerve-wracking, as Shiva Vista was NOT a theme camp but rather a project- but that was not listed in the WWW. Or, trying to find a party at a place called Beaverton, which I ended up not finding despite the fact that I promised to meet someone there, because it was not a theme camp. >.< Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:41:58 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#6f957a64-1ffe-42d1-92a5-3a2aa269a75b Eliza Blaze a.k.a. Rachel 2007-09-09T16:41:58Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#186c5153-0abe-4336-be28-e7542f3b305c //I think the WWW was made by a bunch of penis haters. // ??not true! the male version of my event was listed 2x.?? It was ??? I can only find it in the descriptions................ I was just being snarky about the penis haters/titters not listing the event. It was listed in the event descriptions, but not placed on the events calendar. We should have had the time and day listed in the descriptions, then any first timers could have found us. For the record, Critical Dicks will always be held at Noon, straight up, starting in front of man on thursday. And you don't have to actually have a dick to participate, we will paint one on you if nothing else comes to hand, er, I mean mind. Sun, 09 Sep 2007 15:14:06 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#186c5153-0abe-4336-be28-e7542f3b305c Oneeyeddick 2007-09-09T15:14:06Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#da7fe854-6144-4299-abba-91b963162a42 Location, location, location! "What When WHERE," duh. How hard would it have been to include the few characters of the addresses in every EVERY listing in the calendar? Sun, 09 Sep 2007 08:47:17 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#da7fe854-6144-4299-abba-91b963162a42 MG 2007-09-09T08:47:17Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#bb4fb7e6-58a8-404b-8dfb-baff5fbe299d I'm a construction worker, and I think that even I could make a passable WWW. After all, you just folow that formula and list the what/when/where. You could even list that in both the week schedule part as well as the descriptions. Not too hard to include all that info. At least once I found an event I wanted to go to, but couldn't figure out an address or even camp name. DOesn't help me much to know what is happening, and wehn it's happening, if I can't figure out WHERE it's happening. Awful big capm to bicycle around looking for soemthing. Jus sayin. Sun, 09 Sep 2007 07:56:29 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#bb4fb7e6-58a8-404b-8dfb-baff5fbe299d Scott 2007-09-09T07:56:29Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#9eae2326-af8a-460f-bc4c-512c97bda9d5 //So that begs the question of why are they underpaid? " BM Org" is not a non-profit. They make enough $$$ to produce quality products. They should be ashamed of themselves for this shoddy job on the WWW.// exactly. it seems to me that the WWW has been placed on the backburner for a long time now. maybe it had to get worse before people rallied to make it better. i hope so. i just want it to be better! :) lets do it! **makes the WWII Rosie 'We Can Do It' fist ** Sun, 09 Sep 2007 07:38:32 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#9eae2326-af8a-460f-bc4c-512c97bda9d5 StacycatS 2007-09-09T07:38:32Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#ed884989-8ecd-468d-8618-bba3745fde63 Sorry, I meant, add time and day codes to the end of the paragraph descriptions. Sun, 09 Sep 2007 05:47:18 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#ed884989-8ecd-468d-8618-bba3745fde63 Diode 2007-09-09T05:47:18Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#f7b63026-e804-412e-8fa2-441ded55554e Well, if I was to change it, I would simply add the time and date as a code to the end of each description. That way it would it would cross-reference. You could browse events at times and days easily in the index, or look them up in the descriptions and see the time and date there. It was a bit irrational not to include them. I would have put a camp index in the back. I believe someone said earlier in this thread that the WWW was printed before the camps were placed. The map got printed, so seemingly it's doable. >>"Given that the event is run by underpaid employees and volunteers" So that begs the question of why are they underpaid? " BM Org" is not a non-profit. They make enough $$$ to produce quality products. They should be ashamed of themselves for this shody job on the WWW.>> Yes, they should raise the ticket prices so we get professional baristas at center camp and valet parking at greeters....not. Jeez, you'd think from this thread the thing was printed in Greek. I mean really, if you found a description of something you like and it was Wednesday, you scan through the Wednesday index and see when it's happening. How long does that take, maybe a minute or two, tops? If you're working exclusively from the descriptions, I have to admit that would be a frustrating experience. If the org would take the current format and add time and day codes to them, bango, best format. Sun, 09 Sep 2007 05:46:17 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#f7b63026-e804-412e-8fa2-441ded55554e Diode 2007-09-09T05:46:17Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#6c3cb927-21d1-4386-b029-9cb8329a00c0 "Given that the event is run by underpaid employees and volunteers" So that begs the question of why are they underpaid? " BM Org" is not a non-profit. They make enough $$$ to produce quality products. They should be ashamed of themselves for this shody job on the WWW. Sun, 09 Sep 2007 04:53:05 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#6c3cb927-21d1-4386-b029-9cb8329a00c0 Rachel 2007-09-09T04:53:05Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#b1f2710a-d64a-40cd-bd7c-26e76865d9b8 The WWW was just stupid this year. I have no idea why they felt it necessary to break from the formula they used in the past that worked just fine - daily listings of events with description and address. This year's was downright unreadable. Half the listings didn't even have addresses on them. I had to consult the map to find them. It was horrible. Sun, 09 Sep 2007 04:46:36 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#b1f2710a-d64a-40cd-bd7c-26e76865d9b8 theda 2007-09-09T04:46:36Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#9406122d-05a9-48d8-8a52-8cf9cf96dd2d Given that the event is run by underpaid employees and volunteers, it's a miracle we get a WWW at all. I liked the chaos of no one having any idea what was going on. Go wander and find something interesting. Sun, 09 Sep 2007 03:52:34 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#9406122d-05a9-48d8-8a52-8cf9cf96dd2d Seth 2007-09-09T03:52:34Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#ddfd66fa-7d12-429c-be90-c06795d5e885 The problem that I had, as it seems that a number of others did, is that I don't typically wake up at Burning Man and say to myself, "Okay, what am I going to do at 1 PM today?" The WWW was so much more useful when you could read through the descriptions, click mentally upon those events that sounded just right, find out where and when they were located, and update your notes accordingly. Breaking it down in a manner in which it could only be searched by hour simply did not fit the way most people think. This year, upon locating the description of a promising event, there was no "when" to be found without scanning 20 pages of hourly descriptions -- and no "where" at all, given that the WWW was published before the camp locations were determined. It's not a good thing for this document to be constructed this poorly, this far into the event, at this ticket price. Sun, 09 Sep 2007 02:37:45 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#ddfd66fa-7d12-429c-be90-c06795d5e885 Nitro 2007-09-09T02:37:45Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#69b7d748-337a-4dd9-be06-d5d520c9d0e9 Well, I guess I'm way out in left field on this one. I actually liked the WWW this year for the first time. You scanned through the daily time listings which were succinct one-line descriptions. Circle the ones that are interesting. Then look up their titles in the back section for the complete description and address. Occasionally the address would just be the camp name instead of the intersection, so you have to go to the map. Looking through the back section was pretty useless as you couldn't find the times there. It would have been simple enough to have appended a time there too: MWF 8:30-9:30AM, for example. That would have been logical to do. In past year's if I recall correctly, the WWWW was just a long booklet of paragraph entries with times, so looking up any particular event was a long slog through tons of entries. There were events listed as daily, and ones listed by day of the week. With this year's front directory, you could scan through a whole bunch of events quickly in the front directory, choosing the ones that looked interesting. I actually got to more events this time than ever using it.....then came the problem with no-shows or just finding the camp from the intersection it's supposed to be at. I printed out the entire camp directory that was floating around on-line and it proved invaluable a couple of times when the WWW got confusing or incomplete. So, I liked the WWW and think it was an improvement over the previous years' models. With a few added tweaks, it would be even better. Sun, 09 Sep 2007 00:20:42 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#69b7d748-337a-4dd9-be06-d5d520c9d0e9 Diode 2007-09-09T00:20:42Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#7cf6453e-175e-45bf-934f-8e560591ab85 The WWW was so ineptly constructed I now wish I had I simply wipe my ass with it.... ....then it wouldn't have been a complete waste of trees... Carbon calculations ....anyone....? Sun, 09 Sep 2007 00:04:59 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#7cf6453e-175e-45bf-934f-8e560591ab85 MrOneness 2007-09-09T00:04:59Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#acc12a1b-a6c2-4080-83a7-c57ecf02b4d7 Virgin, too. I thought it was me. I would would look at it for a minute or so and realize I had zoned out. So I just put it away and missed the things I really wanted to see. I saw some cool other stuff, though. =) Sat, 08 Sep 2007 23:54:20 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#acc12a1b-a6c2-4080-83a7-c57ecf02b4d7 Luciån 2007-09-08T23:54:20Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#20567c1d-b76b-41b3-a6ec-2c96685402af What probably happened is that they fired the somewhat-qualified designers and hired their completely unqualified friends. That's the usual M.O. Sat, 08 Sep 2007 23:41:23 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#20567c1d-b76b-41b3-a6ec-2c96685402af Constance 2007-09-08T23:41:23Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#a09b4fcc-1ebb-454e-a70a-f889eb173ee2 as a virgin burner, I can say that the guide made for no help whatsoever. I simply did not have the time or energy to try to decipher it and wondered how people ever knew where they were, what event they were attending and where, what time, etc. I heard five hippies got together and created the 'guide'. That was by some ravers. I heard from the hippies that five ravers got together and created it. Sat, 08 Sep 2007 21:37:15 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#a09b4fcc-1ebb-454e-a70a-f889eb173ee2 April 2007-09-08T21:37:15Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#33ddfe43-af69-430f-a4aa-3a513469cc00 My campmate and I were thinking of going to center camp and setting up a Playa Guide Translation Service. Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:50:40 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#33ddfe43-af69-430f-a4aa-3a513469cc00 Brennan 2007-09-08T19:50:40Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#38968161-9d11-44e9-b09e-72038375ee2d Probably just disgruntled BORG employees throwing a monkey wrench in the works. I ditched my WWW before the event even opened :) . Took one look at it, tried for 5 min to find an event on Monday, then resigned myself to a week of randomness. Word of mouth informed me on the fun stuff and I never even got around to making my list of "things I won't get around to doing or seeing". My sympathies to jilted event throwers, but I say just make sure you have frontage on a main street and the participants will just show up. Hell the only time I had a timepiece on me was Thursday and Saturday when I had stuff to do that I HAD to be on time to, so the "When" is sort of academic most of the week anyway. Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:40:38 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#38968161-9d11-44e9-b09e-72038375ee2d Seth 2007-09-08T19:40:38Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#df69a7ff-a5ad-490f-a041-599b37ecdb26 //Or you can do what we did look at the booklet at all the fun things going on. Then walk over to the petting zoo as we did every afternoon and get our drink on! Then wander around having fun without a schedule!// as one participating in events, thats pretty much the thing to do! as one trying to throw an event... it gets more complicated than that :) Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:27:40 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#df69a7ff-a5ad-490f-a041-599b37ecdb26 StacycatS 2007-09-08T19:27:40Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#b586a4c9-4152-48c7-87ab-39d30b4e07b1 I agree. The What, Where, When guide was a total joke this year. I don't know who designed it, but they should really be ashamed of themselves. It was a perfect example of a terrible design. Good luck finding your event! Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:18:41 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#b586a4c9-4152-48c7-87ab-39d30b4e07b1 Neptune 2007-09-08T19:18:41Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#2d0df4d5-35eb-4362-a890-2e63da0555ee Or you can do what we did look at the booklet at all the fun things going on. Then walk over to the petting zoo as we did every afternoon and get our drink on! Then wander around having fun without a schedule! Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:13:05 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#2d0df4d5-35eb-4362-a890-2e63da0555ee *Victoria* 2007-09-08T19:13:05Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#eb580658-e73a-4296-bb3c-9ca5085e5743 //I think the WWW was made by a bunch of penis haters. // not true! the male version of my event was listed 2x. i really wanted to check it out, to go say hi! but i only saw the description listed twice, i had no idea when / where it was. heh. if it was listed at all (mine was not). ironic tho, that they cut my description down due to space issues, then listed some else's twice. sigh. Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:02:14 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#eb580658-e73a-4296-bb3c-9ca5085e5743 StacycatS 2007-09-08T19:02:14Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#da2bf46b-3647-4aa7-a861-9e14fe4d0341 we had a rather interesting thursday afternoon due to a fuckup in the www. the reprinted tuesday's events on thursday. so, while we were planning a bluegrass jam, and managed to get the word out, we still had several musicians show up expecting a middle eastern music jam, as well as a belly dance class. one of our campmates stepped up and taught the class, even though she'd never taught before, and afterwards we had a ME/bluegrass fusion jam. Sat, 08 Sep 2007 05:20:32 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#da2bf46b-3647-4aa7-a861-9e14fe4d0341 principessa crankypants 2007-09-08T05:20:32Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#a376e7cb-bf16-42d3-a2b4-05919172253c They really need a librarian or indexer to fix that guide ! There's lots of burning librarians . . . surely there's someone out there for next year (not me as I'm sitting 2008 out). Sat, 08 Sep 2007 04:51:07 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#a376e7cb-bf16-42d3-a2b4-05919172253c milkyway 2007-09-08T04:51:07Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#df7bc201-65ff-4f73-b7c0-2abeb3088a43 steam bath project was right near my camp not mobile as far as I could see Sat, 08 Sep 2007 04:37:11 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#df7bc201-65ff-4f73-b7c0-2abeb3088a43 Rapunzel ♥ )*( 2007-09-08T04:37:11Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#57c2ab3d-4ab5-4ba3-af4a-cf999fb82be9 We contemplated having a WWW burn... but decided to be hungover instead. We suck. Sat, 08 Sep 2007 04:33:08 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#57c2ab3d-4ab5-4ba3-af4a-cf999fb82be9 orlando! 2007-09-08T04:33:08Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#68aaa9ab-d009-4ef1-bc55-e99faa55ef3d I agree, the booklet was a total waste of paper. After we figured out how it was arranged this year, we tossed ours and never used them again. I suppose someone went to a lot of work to make them, but, what were you thinking? Did you actually try to use it? Did you intend it to be some kind of joke, frustrating everyone? Sat, 08 Sep 2007 03:52:10 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#68aaa9ab-d009-4ef1-bc55-e99faa55ef3d Mendy 2007-09-08T03:52:10Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#11ee664b-1e4c-497c-ba69-fc1aae703d12 This was my first year so I have no comparisons to make, but, yeah, as a guide, it really was that bad. I also kept trying to use it but gave up after a few tries. We ended up just wandering from interesting thing to interesting thing. It was still great fun, but I did have a few things I saw online that I thought would be neat to see/do that I didn't get to. If they're going to use that much paper why don't they just print out the calendar in the format they post on the main website? Seems like that would be simple enough? And, yeah, making it biodegradeable might save someone's ass... literally... Sat, 08 Sep 2007 03:47:25 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#11ee664b-1e4c-497c-ba69-fc1aae703d12 Cassidy 2007-09-08T03:47:25Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#8ac249cd-4e1e-4820-a0ce-09f8283455a1 Hey don't blame Critical Tits. They had nothing to do with the WWW and have no problem with Critical Dicks. I'm sorry I didn't participate in critical dicks this year. it was fun last year. Sat, 08 Sep 2007 02:40:28 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#8ac249cd-4e1e-4820-a0ce-09f8283455a1 Gold Guy 2007-09-08T02:40:28Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#c5232f65-9bac-4827-9396-f1fef42bf789 too bad it wasn't biodegradable. At least then it would have been useful for something. I can't tell you how many people were looking for camps in our area that were holding events. Problem was the camps were not on the specified corner. I practically begged the seekers to come back and tell me where the camps were if they found them so I could tell the next lost soul. Never happened. Sat, 08 Sep 2007 02:40:22 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#c5232f65-9bac-4827-9396-f1fef42bf789 Tony 2007-09-08T02:40:22Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#84bf1252-d421-4475-844f-1b1b279269f9 I think the WWW was made by a bunch of penis haters. That would explain why the Critical Dicks march was completely omitted. Either that or it was printed by a bunch of Critical Titters who think that tits are exclusive to being critical. Either way it caused our numbers to plummet and lots of people asking me if it even went on at all. Damn shame... tsk, tsk, tsk. Sat, 08 Sep 2007 02:13:27 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#84bf1252-d421-4475-844f-1b1b279269f9 Oneeyeddick 2007-09-08T02:13:27Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#edadb3a4-fea3-40fa-a14e-70ee5736fa1d I checked online when I got home to make sure I didn't some how eff up my postings... nope, they're correct online. So... why did our Tuesday event get posted again on Thursday?? I understand the people who say "I don't even look at the WWW". I've had years like that too, but I genuinely wanted to check out some of the planned events this year. How the Org could screw up something as simple as printing an event guidebook is beyond me. If there's someway to volunteer from NC, please let me know. Also, please let me know who I should address my complaints to. Ultimately I had a phenomenal burn and wouldn't trade it for anything, but this is something that can and should be fixed with little effort. Sat, 08 Sep 2007 01:40:00 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#edadb3a4-fea3-40fa-a14e-70ee5736fa1d Muthahenn 2007-09-08T01:40:00Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#699ef814-194a-4d95-9513-639d40426246 Worst WWW ever. period. This is the kind of shitty work you get when you assign tasks to people who have no idea of what works and what doesn't. I also will volunteer next year to help produce a better WWW because I have much more experience than the common person with designing for usability. If you are unhappy with this year's WWW then PLEASE let BMORG know, otherwise they will continue to pat themselves on the back. furry hugz Terry Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:21:54 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#699ef814-194a-4d95-9513-639d40426246 Terry 2007-09-05T20:21:54Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#baa18c55-30d4-44f8-96eb-4e973c117fc9 as in all previous years I never even looked in the WWW. But I must say I was entertained watching everyone else in camp get frustrated to the point of anger and tears every time they tried to use it. How bad it was was the talk of many camps I visited. I hope all you volunteers can find a way to make it better for everyone next year. (but I still won't even crack it open. Just sayin' :-) Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:26:47 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#baa18c55-30d4-44f8-96eb-4e973c117fc9 CTP 2007-09-05T18:26:47Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#63e1fdd9-1186-461a-8511-da25b780718c i have written playacal-admin, andie grace, and bex, to ask them if i can help for 2008. i think the only way i can come to terms with my experience with the WWW is to get involved. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:03:04 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#63e1fdd9-1186-461a-8511-da25b780718c StacycatS 2007-09-05T18:03:04Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#7486648b-c95e-4b96-92ea-14768ef4a84c My friend summed it up well..."I don't even look at that rag." WWW was ridiculous, so much page flipping just to find out the location isn't listed or is not on the map. Then if you do find the location and time and pedal your ass 2 miles to get there - the event isn't happening. Of course this isn't the fault of the WWW. My plan now - just explore and find things to do through immediate experience. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:02:36 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#7486648b-c95e-4b96-92ea-14768ef4a84c Ryedread 2007-09-05T18:02:36Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#0fb18257-3d32-4c79-a19b-5400eb7ea679 Yes, I thought the WWW was bad before, but this year they found a brilliant way to make it WORSE! I, too, am very willing to help make it better for next year...anyone know who to contact? Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:47:28 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#0fb18257-3d32-4c79-a19b-5400eb7ea679 Neon 2007-09-05T17:47:28Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#b51d412d-6683-4430-88eb-1237940af336 The Steam Bath Project is a little different. Someone told me (playa rumor) that the BMorg suggested they *not* go on the map or give an address, to spare the risk of health inspections. In any case, they were a LONG way from the HeeBees. P.S. The guide still sucked ass. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:45:57 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#b51d412d-6683-4430-88eb-1237940af336 jj 2007-09-05T17:45:57Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#301c6a85-2896-4c0a-8b68-7f4f91af8a0b Even Esplanade dance camps got boned by the stupid, mistake-ridden, unintuitive WWW this year. Impossible to find an interesting event unless you knew the day and time first. Asinine. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:30:06 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#301c6a85-2896-4c0a-8b68-7f4f91af8a0b Brian 2007-09-05T17:30:06Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#0e2a0898-d0ca-411d-99e5-ecc87ae7f336 StacycatS,We know what you mean.Every year the most nerve wracking portion of camp set up is to check the WWW guide for omissions or screw ups.Did not matter this year as guide was so bad.As with Samsa the thought did enter my mind that this was an intentional act to pay back those who complained about it before this debacle.Something along the lines of the puzzlingly defensive nature of the"greeting signs"this year.Bottom line theme camps get treated like dogs again with only winners being Esplanade dance camps and corporate demonstrations near The Man. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 16:12:27 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#0e2a0898-d0ca-411d-99e5-ecc87ae7f336 omar 2007-09-05T16:12:27Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#bc35465b-cfbc-43e0-987f-d5e572cd0a88 from the perspective of one looking for something to do, i suppose its a 'minor' fuckup and a 'game'. from the perspective of one throwing an event and trying to let people know, its pretty heartbreaking to see it listed incorrectly, or to see it not listed at all (format issues aside). then its not so much of a fun game, and its not so minor when the people who like to join you year after year cant find you. its also maddening to ask year after year why these mistakes happen, and to hear nothing back from the borg. nothing. like they dont even care they jacked you. what is up with that? Wed, 05 Sep 2007 16:04:36 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#bc35465b-cfbc-43e0-987f-d5e572cd0a88 StacycatS 2007-09-05T16:04:36Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#ca56e2e2-730e-4646-9423-5bcec79bdd86 In my camp the WWW became a participatory game involving 3 or more people, two guides, a map, and a lot of giggling. While one might give credit to the Borg for making up such a game, it was probably just another minor fuckup. Note the use of the word "minor". Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:47:26 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#ca56e2e2-730e-4646-9423-5bcec79bdd86 dr.placebo 2007-09-05T15:47:26Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#7e9b4e5b-0f5d-46bf-bbaf-bb1364669faa We went to the Monkey Chant at HeeBeeGeeBee. Afterwards, I wanted to go to the Steam Bath Project. I found a WWW, and looked up the Steam Bath Project... saw that it was an on-going daily event. Well... what good does that do for me? Somebody says there are descriptions of each event in the back. So... I look at the description of the event and it tells me all about the event, except where it is. Well, they tell me that it's hosted at/by "The Steam Bath Project". I ask around and find out that I have to look at the map to find where camps are located. Nobody has a map. I finally trek to Playa Info and look up "Steam Bath Project" and it says that it's a mobile installation. No other listings were found. I did not get to have a steam bath. The WWW was worthless this year. Of course, Burning Man is worthless and over. It *truly was* better last year. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 09:21:19 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#7e9b4e5b-0f5d-46bf-bbaf-bb1364669faa Chromatest 2007-09-05T09:21:19Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#1842217e-6d68-410c-afaa-b373c6a92c34 Yeah it was really a true pain in the ass.....I kept wondering, did they do this to fuck with us? I cant imagine there being any other reason then to fuck with us. What a waste of paper, though! ANd to all who WANTED their events to be listed and attended, what a bummer. I always go mostly on playadipity myself, but this year I wanted to search out a couple things and try to have a little plan just to do it different......the books bafffled everyone. IF therye going to do it wrong, why even have the books iin the first place? Wed, 05 Sep 2007 02:59:54 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#1842217e-6d68-410c-afaa-b373c6a92c34 Samsa 2007-09-05T02:59:54Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#1b81b4f7-dee6-447c-979e-0a3cefe7cb29 rat that was the problem it wasn't set up like years past. no where in the guide were the camp addresses list. the only thing in it were two sections, 1st with the time and name and the 2nd with a description. some events listed didn't have descriptions and the camp names were only in the descriptions. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 02:32:40 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#1b81b4f7-dee6-447c-979e-0a3cefe7cb29 Theo/Turtle at Camp Stella 7:45 and Bio 2007-09-05T02:32:40Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#74e92f77-f000-4576-8248-c86d5140aaca I like to peruse the WWW during the hottest part of the day, or a windstorm or something but this one was unreadable. It was a When and a What but no Where....They usually list the time and address with the event as well as it being under the heading of the day it's on...This was was thoroughly impenetrable and didn't work as even as a guide, much less something to be enjoyably perused in downtime. I don't even always go to the things I've circled but I do like to know what's going on, and if I happen to be on that side of the playa I could stop by or something. I just gave up after a few times. I have no idea who came up with that layout, but they seemed to want as much confusion as possible. I'm all for mixing it up a bit, but not so the end result is just a mixed up jumble when the point is clarification not obfuscation. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 02:29:26 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#74e92f77-f000-4576-8248-c86d5140aaca CarcinoGenny 2007-09-05T02:29:26Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#8869b322-501f-43ff-ba5a-4151f126acc7 //I mean, did they NOT give you the option to at least look up events daily?// im not sure i understand this question. can you re-phrase? in my case, the description was there for one of my events, but the time and day listing was MISSING. as in, they left it out. it wasnt just hard to find - it was not there. so there was no way to tell, no matter how long you looked, which day and time the event was. ive also had them list things at the wrong day / time in the past. so my issue with the document goes way beyond the wacked layout. it has to do with not listing events at all, or listing them at the wrong date / time. thats the part i dont understand. thats the part i want to help with. now that i live in SF again, hopefully this is possible. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:27:28 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#8869b322-501f-43ff-ba5a-4151f126acc7 StacycatS 2007-09-05T01:27:28Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#857b9a18-8249-45e1-ad28-0f2dc1c1e4a7 I wonder if this is one aspect that really could be accomplished long distance via the net..... When the whole DMV licensing "discussion" was happening a few years ago, the same idea was proposed...with potential volunteers from all over and it was determined, perhaps rightfully so, that it would be a logistical nightmare with all the physical apps, paperwork and such. Could the WWW be accomplished thru volunteers from across the country? (Sorry to peeps outside the event.... it's OURS!!! muh-wah-ha-ha!) Seriously.... could this be accomplished thru a wiki or something else...add your own events...wiki (or ____???) goes to press on such and such a date...if you don't get it in by then, you snooze, you lose. Come up with a better layout, etc. etc. etc. Rat was it REALLY that bad? I mean, did they NOT give you the option to at least look up events daily? Do enough of us REALLY like to plan out the entire week?? (not being facetious...this time) Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:24:30 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#857b9a18-8249-45e1-ad28-0f2dc1c1e4a7 DzrtRat67 2007-09-05T01:24:30Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#3b7369ef-8c5a-4d8b-9b1d-702d6d346d48 Everyone at my camp had problems with the "What, Where, When Guide" this year as well. It took half an hour to reference the "What" (by looking up the descriptions in the Event Listings), then find the "When" (in the Calendar) and then track down the "Where" in the whole separate Map which wasn't always sitting there right beside the guide (thanks to all of the wind moving our stuff around). It was a pain having that information in 3 separate places, especially because it was hot and there were always other things vying for our attention (we were joking around that we all have "A.D.D." at Burningman every year) Usually by the time we figured everything out, the event was half over. What happened to the "Good Old Days" when everything was in one place? After the first couple of times most of us just gave up on it and relied on "Playadipity" for our entertainment all week. That wasn't a bad way to go, but on the way home we were lamenting about how there were some really great workshops that we would have liked to attend, if we could have figured out where they were. Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:49:45 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#3b7369ef-8c5a-4d8b-9b1d-702d6d346d48 *Toni the 2007-09-04T23:49:45Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#c19150cb-640a-4232-9cd9-9829c75e72c2 //Sooooooo..... if the guide sucks, just throw caution to the wind and the guide into the nearest burn barrel. // from the perspective of one looking for something to do, yes you can simply explore without the guide. as well you should, given the condition of it. from the perspective of one throwing an event... it kind of blows to put months of effort into an event that gets jacked in the guide. if its is not listed at all, sure you can do it anyways... but if it is listed at the wrong day / time, and you have a team of people helping you... this puts you in a rough place. do you do it anyways at the time you were gonna? or do you do it at the newly listed time? some helpers are available at the old time, and cant make the new time due to other commitments..... should you do both the new and the old time? or what? argh! the whole situations boggles my mind. i dont understand how this can be such a re-occuring issue, and yet nothing is done to resolve it. for those that do care, i will do everything i can to be on the 2008 WWW team. hopefully there will be something i can do to help. Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:46:06 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#c19150cb-640a-4232-9cd9-9829c75e72c2 StacycatS 2007-09-04T23:46:06Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#bc60702e-4b8c-4896-8438-4838b7f813b4 There's a friggin' GUIDE to events??!!! hehee...just kiddin. Haven't seen this year'swww. If it's at all like other years, I always just went by the dated listings rather than the event names/descriptions. Usually went something like this: wake up grab tp and head for jots. get halfway there, turn around back to camp and fetch WWW. Head back to jots. get halfway there, turn around back to camp and fetch tp that got left behind while looking for WWW RUN to jots, praying out loud to several dieties for an open one and no line. Arrive and jots and nearly fall to knees thanking above dieties for little green sign on nearest door. Dash in, only to find a lovely beer bottle bouquet sticking about 5 inches out of seat. Hear door next door open...dash outside and into just vacated potty....looks good! Sigh of great relief as I uh....get relief. Quickly look up whatever day it is and see if anything interests me. make mental notes. Arrive back at camp and prepare to journey to first event. (yes, I gifted the tp to the stall of All that's Wonderful.) head out to first event. get sidetracked. get sidetracked AGAIN. remember I was heading to first event, only to finger out I've missed all three. discover that i had a great day and don't really give a shit about missing....missing.... whatever event that was. Go to sleep. get up next day/night. repeat procedure from top. Sooooooo..... if the guide sucks, just throw caution to the wind and the guide into the nearest burn barrel. Explore WITHOUT a guide and WITHOUT expectations! Now, of course, the really jaded old timers will prolly tell ya to quit yer whinin' about a fucking guide book, that this ain't fucking Disneyland and if you don't like it, then redo the fucking guide book yourself rather than crying to the Man about it! Thank God, I'm NOT an old timer and not THAT jaded. ;-) ;-) Rat Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:38:17 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#bc60702e-4b8c-4896-8438-4838b7f813b4 DzrtRat67 2007-09-04T23:38:17Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#85c7a852-378d-41f2-859e-f1650a849764 I think it was written by Paul Addis Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:36:43 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#85c7a852-378d-41f2-859e-f1650a849764 Phyfer 2007-09-04T23:36:43Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#d952beac-b118-438c-a413-1c80650173a4 Works great if you know what time the event is, then find the event you are looking for. Also is very usefull to know where the event will be held at before you attempt to use the guide. But if you already know when the event is, where it is, and what it is, then what is the purpose of the guide? What if you have no idea what you want to go to, and just want to flip through the book to find something interesting? Sure, previous years the guide was very thick, but you could flip through find something interesting, and with that would be when and where it is at. This year, you could flip through the descriptions and find something interesting, but you would never be able to find out when it is. Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:28:35 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#d952beac-b118-438c-a413-1c80650173a4 Unsubscribed 2007-09-04T23:28:35Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#9cb27245-53bc-4d99-b401-3329b8ea54fe //so, you get the little booklet. you look at the listings of events, by day and time. you find that listing in the description section, where the host camp is listed as well. you go to your map and find the location of the host camp. two minutes, tops. // unless like in my case, the description is there, and nothing is under the day and time. if they had planned changing the format in advance, they should have mentioned this - i could have included the day and time in my description! that would have been easy. Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:10:31 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#9cb27245-53bc-4d99-b401-3329b8ea54fe StacycatS 2007-09-04T23:10:31Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#702a03be-c2d8-4c72-994e-69a76570517c i literally saw a guy start to cry trying to figure out where an event was. that was bit much of a meltdown but seriously I think the Borg was so absorbed in patting themselves on the back for the green man concept that they forgot some of the basics. our events were only half listed, none at the right time and most folks found us by roaming the city rather than the WWW. too bad, as it was a great tool when I was a virgin to get to know the city and the camps. Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:09:44 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#702a03be-c2d8-4c72-994e-69a76570517c Theo/Turtle at Camp Stella 7:45 and Bio 2007-09-04T23:09:44Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#7640d695-4f58-468b-8123-f2a030ed3a09 so, you get the little booklet. you look at the listings of events, by day and time. you find that listing in the description section, where the host camp is listed as well. you go to your map and find the location of the host camp. two minutes, tops. Or, two-three weeks ahead of time: you look at the online version of the calendar of events, find the events that interest you, cross-reference with the list of theme camps and locations, enter all that into your iCal, upload it to your iPod (with alarms) and every so often, on the playa, your iPod beeps at your to let you know that you wanted to do This, There at That Time. Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:06:39 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#7640d695-4f58-468b-8123-f2a030ed3a09 Richard 2007-09-04T23:06:39Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#a1013699-f625-408b-b608-91e0e56d2476 3 out of 4 years they have jacked my events up. everything from mislistings to downright omissions. 3 of 4 years. the first time, i cried. the second time, i got mad. this time, i dont understand. i dont understand how they can be so careless. really. i dont understand what happens. i fill out an online form, and hit send before a certain date. i look online, and its fine. i get to the playa, everything is fucked. i dont understand. this year, even if my event HAD been listed properly, no one would have found it due to the wack layout. it boggles the mind. they dont address the mislisting and the omission issues, instead they put all their effort into changing the layout? is that some kind of joke? do they take no pride in their work? do they hate my project? i dont know. ive asked, they dont respond. its maddening. i really dont understand how this can happen. can someone explain to me how they can fuck up 3 of 4 years of my events? can someone explain how this is acceptable to them? can someone please tell me why the production of this document is so difficult, in the days of computers and databases? i keep thinking there must be some rational explanation. but every time i ask, i hear nothing back. i will gladly sing up to volunteer for this WWW team, how does one do this? im probably not even going next year, but i would love to save someone else the absolute heartbreak i have experienced over the years, madly prepping for an event the WWW fucks up. i have learned to compensate by using other methods of communication over the years (email, radio PSAs, etc) but there are a few people who tell me they rely on the who what where each year to find my events. those few people have become very special to me over the years. to think they cant find me because the events are mislisted breaks my heart. why produce the document at all? how can we keep this from happening again? someone, please explain. i am desperate for some kind of explanation as to HOW this document gets so fucked up. what makes the production of it so difficult? how can this be changed? i am not trying to be a complainer, or an asshole, i really just dont understand. if they cant get it right, they should stop producing it. really. it only confuses people. Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:57:37 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#a1013699-f625-408b-b608-91e0e56d2476 StacycatS 2007-09-04T22:57:37Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#1977d58b-0b04-43d5-8b47-5c3fdaca11d0 I must agree. The WWW this year was the most user unfriendly guide I have ever seen. Burner reads description of event- That sounds cool! When is it? (must look through every day to find when event is held, perhaps is lucky and has not missed it, now must look up camp on the seperate map.) Alt. version: Burner reads daily guide. Can't figure out what the event is, looks it up in description. (a)-Is not what s/he hoped for, must now flip back to daily guide & start over. (b)-Is something s/he wants to attend. Must now put guide down and pick up map to find location of camp it is held at. Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:58:44 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#1977d58b-0b04-43d5-8b47-5c3fdaca11d0 Justin 2007-09-04T22:58:44Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#ad33b53f-4c29-4f26-918c-1e66767fb7d4 I agree, the book was difficult especially when intoxicated. ;-P Last year was much easier and it was nice to have the descriptions of the camps whose names were not self explanatory. Hopefully they will go back to having the descriptions or at least the locations with the events. Namaste Beloveds!! Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:53:22 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#ad33b53f-4c29-4f26-918c-1e66767fb7d4 Lover 2007-09-04T22:53:22Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#0efa857a-37ac-495b-b410-573a3e922390 I thought maybe they made it purposely difficult to find events because the crowd was so large this year and they didn't want to overwhelm the theme camps.(?) Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:47:48 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#0efa857a-37ac-495b-b410-573a3e922390 $item.owner.firstName 2007-09-04T22:47:48Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#ce618f26-a885-4302-ae36-86e626513192 You need a nap. wait.. I need a nap. Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:44:28 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#ce618f26-a885-4302-ae36-86e626513192 Elaine~ 2007-09-04T22:44:28Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#3e3a46d8-c3dd-4570-91f2-752088ef9ed1 Thank you, Burning Man organizers for the most ridiculous exercise in futility parading itself as information that I've ever seen in my life. I managed to kill hours during both dust storms flipping between the timeline and description sections of events only to find out that I'd missed everything that interested me. DOH! I'm sure that they we're trying to be innovative in getting a whole lot of info into one guide but I'm hopeful that we can put that little mistake behind us and offer a resource that is actually helpful next year to both participants and workshop holders alike and not waste so much precious timber in the process. Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:40:53 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/9959543e-d8be-444e-b1df-b28ca39e00dc#3e3a46d8-c3dd-4570-91f2-752088ef9ed1 Fresh 2007-09-04T22:40:53Z