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The management of the Burning Man event is a complex undertaking which grew up over a period of time as the event gained in popularity. It involves on the one hand coordinating the many tasks related to construction and removal of the temporary installation of Black Rock City itself. Event organizers deal with BLM, law enforcement, emergency services, communications, gate and box office, a staff commissary, café and ice concessions, the Man installation with supporting structures, transportation and heavy equipment logistics, storage and fabrication, and more of this sort of infrastructure support. On the other hand, there are the tasks related to representing the event to the world at large, and to prepare and organize the various events encapsulated within the event. There are logistics specific to the event that take up all the rest of the year-- ticket sales management and fulfillment, theme camp placement, art support, regional event support, property management, vendor contracts, website management, and on and on.
The task of representing the event to the outside world is certainly difficult, since the event means different things to different people. Whether it's the ten principles, a newsletter, an interview with Larry Harvey, or a statement of the organization's position on some issue, the message has to be vetted to make sure that there is a consistent, accurate message. These communications serve to prepare participants for the experience, to let them know what to expect, and also try to explain what is going on to people who do not plan to attend. Believe it or not, there are people in the world who see fit to tell other people that they should not engage in an activity which they themselves find objectionable, where there is no demonstrable harm to anyone. Often communications are geared to defend the entire enterprise, including the individual contribution of participants, from ad hominem attack.
Burning Man invites people to inject their own value into the event, and then seeks to describe the net value. All of the efforts above create the “bottle” of the event, and efforts to define the event may work like the “recipe,” but the people who attend the event invariably alter the recipe to their own taste, the result being the “beer” which we all enjoy. When I talk about the event as a business, I am not talking about the flavor of the beer, or the accuracy of the recipe. I would not want to be misunderstood that I believe the organizers are only interested in the business aspects and rewards of the event. They are very interested in the flavor of the beer, and not only because they want to sell more beer, but also because they are beer aficionados. But if you drink a lager, and I drink a stout, and we argue about what the beer tastes like, it's just silly. And, to describe “beer” generically will always fall short of the experience of drinking beer.
People who get too drunk on the “beer” that is Burning Man should take heed of the classic alcoholic credo: Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
I have cynically said before that Burning Man tricks people into entertaining each other and takes a fee. It's a pretty neat trick-- a cornerstone of theater. It's suspense of disbelief, and the “trick” is willingly believed by the audience. Burning Man is improv theater in the round where the lines between entertainer and audience have been largely removed. Even the production crew, historically invisible “men behind the curtain,” have an opportunity to stand in the limelight. This creates unique issues about what reward people expect from their contribution, whether as an artist or a worker. These span the continuum from real professional expertise which is donated to coarse physical labor which is compensated, and vice versa. At this point in Burning Man's evolution, I think that if someone does not figure that out for themselves, they have no one to blame but themselves. I do warn people who get swept up in the thrill of that suspense of disbelief that reality is always at least a step away from the ideal. Don't put Burning Man up on a pedestal (oops, too late). Do the organizers exploit that tendency? Absolutely. You might call it pride or vanity, but it seems to be a world wide pandemic, much to the delight of mirror manufacturers. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Seek and ye shall find-- if injustice is what you seek, it will surround you. If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will deliver you; if you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you. There are simple solutions to these invented problems. Participation is not mandated, or mandatory, it is already completely within your control.
The business that is Burning Man was formed by having to deal with all of these issues. The right that the organizers have to decide what to do with the fee money is derived directly from their efforts to provide all the infrastructure that they are spending it on. They are the experts in spending that money, and if they abuse the privilege, they are the ones most sensitive to it. The suggestions to democratize the business of Burning Man are all ceiling-down approaches-- I would advocate enacting change from the floor-up. Chicken John and Jim Mason did that with their Borg2 project, and I admire them for it. C'mon! Blow my mind! Be the person who came up with the best theme camp ever (ever!). Start your own “regional event” and do it better! Or, if you feel that these things just feed the Burning Man cancer, go find a cure for cancer. Burning Man may change your world for a week, but it's up to you to change it for the other 51. Fixating too much on the minutiae of the event production squanders that opportunity. Take a deep breath and look at the big world outside.
The task of representing the event to the outside world is certainly difficult, since the event means different things to different people. Whether it's the ten principles, a newsletter, an interview with Larry Harvey, or a statement of the organization's position on some issue, the message has to be vetted to make sure that there is a consistent, accurate message. These communications serve to prepare participants for the experience, to let them know what to expect, and also try to explain what is going on to people who do not plan to attend. Believe it or not, there are people in the world who see fit to tell other people that they should not engage in an activity which they themselves find objectionable, where there is no demonstrable harm to anyone. Often communications are geared to defend the entire enterprise, including the individual contribution of participants, from ad hominem attack.
Burning Man invites people to inject their own value into the event, and then seeks to describe the net value. All of the efforts above create the “bottle” of the event, and efforts to define the event may work like the “recipe,” but the people who attend the event invariably alter the recipe to their own taste, the result being the “beer” which we all enjoy. When I talk about the event as a business, I am not talking about the flavor of the beer, or the accuracy of the recipe. I would not want to be misunderstood that I believe the organizers are only interested in the business aspects and rewards of the event. They are very interested in the flavor of the beer, and not only because they want to sell more beer, but also because they are beer aficionados. But if you drink a lager, and I drink a stout, and we argue about what the beer tastes like, it's just silly. And, to describe “beer” generically will always fall short of the experience of drinking beer.
People who get too drunk on the “beer” that is Burning Man should take heed of the classic alcoholic credo: Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
I have cynically said before that Burning Man tricks people into entertaining each other and takes a fee. It's a pretty neat trick-- a cornerstone of theater. It's suspense of disbelief, and the “trick” is willingly believed by the audience. Burning Man is improv theater in the round where the lines between entertainer and audience have been largely removed. Even the production crew, historically invisible “men behind the curtain,” have an opportunity to stand in the limelight. This creates unique issues about what reward people expect from their contribution, whether as an artist or a worker. These span the continuum from real professional expertise which is donated to coarse physical labor which is compensated, and vice versa. At this point in Burning Man's evolution, I think that if someone does not figure that out for themselves, they have no one to blame but themselves. I do warn people who get swept up in the thrill of that suspense of disbelief that reality is always at least a step away from the ideal. Don't put Burning Man up on a pedestal (oops, too late). Do the organizers exploit that tendency? Absolutely. You might call it pride or vanity, but it seems to be a world wide pandemic, much to the delight of mirror manufacturers. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Seek and ye shall find-- if injustice is what you seek, it will surround you. If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will deliver you; if you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you. There are simple solutions to these invented problems. Participation is not mandated, or mandatory, it is already completely within your control.
The business that is Burning Man was formed by having to deal with all of these issues. The right that the organizers have to decide what to do with the fee money is derived directly from their efforts to provide all the infrastructure that they are spending it on. They are the experts in spending that money, and if they abuse the privilege, they are the ones most sensitive to it. The suggestions to democratize the business of Burning Man are all ceiling-down approaches-- I would advocate enacting change from the floor-up. Chicken John and Jim Mason did that with their Borg2 project, and I admire them for it. C'mon! Blow my mind! Be the person who came up with the best theme camp ever (ever!). Start your own “regional event” and do it better! Or, if you feel that these things just feed the Burning Man cancer, go find a cure for cancer. Burning Man may change your world for a week, but it's up to you to change it for the other 51. Fixating too much on the minutiae of the event production squanders that opportunity. Take a deep breath and look at the big world outside.
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Re: The business of Burning Man gets busy
Sat, February 17, 2007 - 10:54 AMA beautifully sane post and summary, sir. We should refer the shouting people to it for the rest of the history of the Interweb.
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Re: The business of Burning Man gets busy
Sat, February 17, 2007 - 11:29 AM< yawn >
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Re: The business of Burning Man gets busy
Sun, February 18, 2007 - 7:07 PMHowa bout Clint's famous smoked ribs!?
mmmmm, ribs!
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Sat, February 17, 2007 - 12:38 PMThank you, Metric, for a nice, insightful glance at the workings of the management, and the scope of their responsibilities.
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Sat, February 17, 2007 - 1:09 PMI generally think that trying to study and define Burning Man is like the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, but this is one of the best shots at describing the current state of Burning Man I've seen.
... but of course by the time you have finished reading this description, Burning Man will already have changed.
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Re: The business of Burning Man gets busy
Sun, February 18, 2007 - 10:38 AMI wish that I could write as well as Metric, but one thing stands out clearly to me.
The BORG has a difficult job and , trust me; no One of them is getting rich off this shit.
I was amazed last year, as a worker, how professional the operation ran. How much better the conditions were for workers.
From top down, it was apparent that the people in charge were affecting change for the better. The Event, Infrastructure, and care of perssonel.
I, for one, was Honored to be a part of the Team. I was taken care of, learned, and grew as a person. Again.
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 1:23 AMKamikaze:
> The BORG has a difficult job and , trust me; no One of them is getting rich off this shit.
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 7:44 AMYour right, Adam. Truth be told, I wouldn't know. But I never sensed any affluance working with these people. Not to say that they couldn't be taking the cash from Cafe and Artica and hiding it under their beds.
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 7:56 AMor the nearly ten million dollars in ticket sales.
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Sat, March 10, 2007 - 6:58 PMHere s new analogy I just came up with: Bands playing music on stage.
BAND ONE is a local bar band, they can fit most of their gear in the members cars. Some sound, a few lights, and their instruments. The bass players brother runs sound. It takes about two hours to set up and sound check this group. They play at local dive bars where they often get free beer.. Their friends and fans come to see them and drink beer too. The band sounds and looks fairly average and they do okay. Most of them work day jobs and they pretty much do this on the weekends for fun. It's a band on stage playing in front of people.
BAND TWO: is U2 out on a world tour. Their gear fits in 41 semi trucks. They employ over a hundred people. It takes two days to set up the stage and another day to take it down. Their merchandise alone is 6 figure$ a night. They sound and look great. None of them work day jobs. They do this full time. It's a band on stage playing in front of people.
Same thing right? I mean, this is just a band playing music, so how complicated can it be? Why do they need to charge $65 for a tickets when Band A only charges $5? It's a band on stage playing in front of people right? Band B are obviously greedy bastards.
One of the differences is this.
If no one goes to see Band A, they will still have their day jobs.
If no one goes to see Band B, over a hundred people are out of work.
My point is that you can't compare Band B to Band A, it's not even apples an oranges, it's 2 dimensional versus 4 or 5 dimensional.
And if you don't like Band B or what they 'stand for', then don't buy the $65 ticket or the $35 T-Shirt, pretty simple huh?
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Depends how you define "rich"
Fri, February 23, 2007 - 8:39 AMJust doing the math, people say "It's a multi-million dollar corporation!" $250 x 40,000 = $10 million. This is pretty liberal, but makes a round number. Most of this goes back into expenses. It must have cost well over $2 million just to clean up the ranch.
$1.7 million pays maybe 30 full-time people, including the board. If the 24 non-board members make on average $35K/yr, that leaves just over $150K/yr per board member. I don't know if that counts as "rich" by Bay Area standards. And, some board members probably make more than others. This is all guess work based on my time with the company and the Afterburn report from '05: afterburn.burningman.com/05/fi...t.html
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Sat, February 24, 2007 - 1:40 AMAdam writes:
Kamikaze:
> The BORG has a difficult job and , trust me; no One of them is getting rich off this shit.
Really? An honest question. Larry Harvey hasn't gotten rich off of Burningman?
I can answer that question. Easily. The answer is no. Will he get 'rich' off Burning Man? Maybe. His book rights may be worth a ton of money. $300,000 I'd guess. The Trademark that he owns a stake in has value. I'd say that his son would profit more off the event than he would. But the only person getting rich off Burning Man is Bruno.
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Sun, February 18, 2007 - 10:38 PMFunny how they let you go as a manager and failed to even do your job as a garbage man this year. -
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Sat, February 24, 2007 - 10:32 AMthat was a low blow and kind rude
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Sun, February 25, 2007 - 6:04 PMHEY LOOK KEVIN...
I just asked how in the hell you could possibly fit a whole turkey in a rolling paper. I have seen those new cellulose ones, but even if you rolled it, I haven't the foggiest how you would smoke it.
Jeez... all the feathers would reak anyway...
so albeit I think your joke is cute about smoking a turkey, I just don't think you need to be calling it a low blow.
I am just voicing my opinion.
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 7:54 AMall of culture is such a "trick". constructions of authenticity are just another part of that trick.
"I have cynically said before that Burning Man tricks people into entertaining each other and takes a fee. It's a pretty neat trick-- a cornerstone of theater. It's suspense of disbelief, and the “trick” is willingly believed by the audience." -
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 10:05 AMgreat post!
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Sat, March 10, 2007 - 6:33 PM"all of culture is such a "trick". constructions of authenticity are just another part of that trick.
"I have cynically said before that Burning Man tricks people into entertaining each other and takes a fee. It's a pretty neat trick-- a cornerstone of theater. It's suspense of disbelief, and the “trick” is willingly believed by the audience."
I used to think that too, I was wrong.
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 5:01 PMDude, you've had too much beer!
Seriously, a well formed analysis. Thanks, and it was nice meeting you on the playa last year over the 4th of July when you gave me a ride between Antlerville and Noman :) :) -
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 11:51 PMAlthough the editor sucks at proofreading, the article says where some of the money is going: www.sparkstribune.net/796.shtml
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 9:05 AM<<The right that the organizers have to decide what to do with the fee money is derived directly from their efforts to provide all the infrastructure that they are spending it on. They are the experts in spending that money, and if they abuse the privilege, they are the ones most sensitive to it. >>
Lovely analysis Metric...I especially appreciated this part and copied it here for those who didn't read the entire piece.
I think that often when we view people as authority figures or celebrities, we tend to view them as above or below us and forget that they are varied and fallable humans like the rest of us. Then we get overly critical about their faults and want them to be either higher on the pedestal or lower in the ground. -
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Re: The business of Burning Man gets busy
Tue, February 20, 2007 - 11:35 AMI think there is an important counter point to that Neon.
With more power/fame/fortune comes more responsibility. the crown of thorns so to say.
Is it fair for me to have changed my own life, taken the reins and raised my self from the place my parents were and just run with it? Simple answer no. My personal ability to work my ass off, both physically mentally and emotionally have given me great gains in life. It is now my responsibility to pass that growth on so others may be as fortunate and have the gifts of life that I have had. If I do not then I am as bad as the people that kept their heel firmly pressing my parents to the ground.
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 12:24 PM
"I think that often when we view people as authority figures or celebrities, we tend to view them as above or below us and forget that they are varied and fallable humans like the rest of us. Then we get overly critical about their faults and want them to be either higher on the pedestal or lower in the ground."
And even when those varied and fallble humans are doing abusive activities either with intentions or ignorance... we still want to "kick their ass's" in some way till they get back on track again behaving in ways that meet our shared standards of fairness and justice. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 4:17 PMYes, to both Still and Garimo's points. But if you're talking about the worker's rights boxing match that's happening somewhere over there ------------------>
I, personally don't have enough info yet that they are doing abusive activities. And, in response to what Still said, I do believe they are giving back to the community by keeping it going and doing the best jobs they can do. -
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Thu, February 22, 2007 - 5:50 PMI wasn't referencing anything specific. my comment was more just to offer balance to the your general comment that I quoted.
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Thanks, y'all
Thu, February 22, 2007 - 4:30 PMI just felt compelled to lend my perspective.
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Thu, February 22, 2007 - 6:17 PMMetric... excellent post... I think you nailed it.
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Fri, February 23, 2007 - 9:05 AMAlright, that's all fine and good....the art and entertainment and illusion and everything, yes, I agree
It seems like the real problem here is: is Burning Man a BUSINESS (albeit a radical one) or an economic UTOPIA (escape from commercialism) a chance to to experiment living life without the confines of money, politics, socioeconomics, even if its only sustainable for one week.
It seems like the two ideas aren't co-existing very well. It might be nice if Larry Harvey and BMORG came out and stated exactly which side of this fence they are on, because the public is getting mixed-messages and that, I believe, is the source of the confusion and arguments and so on.
Personally, the fact that there is no money and no commercialism at the event is one of the most important reasons I go. I love the art and music and inventions and everything, and I would still go if it was just that, but for me its more important to run the socioeconmic experiment and try to prove to the world that money isn't necessary for a functioning society, that we can do away with it and all the problems associated with it (this is a VERY lofty goal I realize, and may actually take 1,000 years of Burning Man like events to prove).
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Male or female: which side of the fence are you on?
Fri, February 23, 2007 - 9:30 AMC'mon, this war has been going on forever, and now you have to choose sides.
Get real.
So, are you saying it should be all or nothing? Start selling T-shirts and hotdogs at the event, with corporate sponsors, OR stop taking ticket money and paying staff, letting people do whatever, BLM and Johnny on the Spot be damned?
Good luck with that.
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Fri, February 23, 2007 - 9:37 AM"Is Burning Man a BUSINESS (albeit a radical one) or an economic UTOPIA (escape from commercialism)?"
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Fri, February 23, 2007 - 7:50 PMPerfect! Thanks Metric for a well written piece. -
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Fri, February 23, 2007 - 8:31 PM"We'll still be smoking a turkey somewhere out there around July 3rd......"
How do you roll it in the paper?
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prove to the world that money is not necessary
Sun, February 25, 2007 - 11:28 AM" but for me its more important to run the socioeconmic experiment and try to prove to the world that money isn't necessary for a functioning society, that we can do away with it and all the problems associated with it"
You have got to be kidding?! How much money did you spend BEFORE burningman to get ready? Last year I helped with data entry for the census. Some of the questions dealt with home much money you spent for burningman, on tickets, food, travel, shelter etc. (don't remember the exact cataories) The money that is NOT spent on the playa, is all spent BEFORE the event, or AFTER the event. So even though it seems that money is not spent at burningman, it is still spent FOR burningman. Money is just a common system that is used in a barter economy though. Instead of pigs and chickens, we swap symbols that we can use for other exchanges.
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Fri, February 23, 2007 - 9:12 AM"Burning Man may change your world for a week, but it's up to you to change it for the other 51."
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Why do people always seem to forget that it is a week in the desert and the rest of the year shouldn't be spent preparing for that one week? It's fun, yeah, but it ain't something to have your life revolve around. -
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Thu, March 1, 2007 - 9:38 AMMetric? For the last four years on the playa I have been using stones and drams
1 ounce = 480 grains
1 ounce = 24 scruples
1 ounce = 20 pennyweights
1 ounce = 8 drams
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Fri, March 2, 2007 - 1:24 PM<Why did Burning Man let you go Metric? >
Because the english system has worse milage.
What a minute, now I understand that "dram" comment. Oh the risks of not reading threaded.
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Sat, March 10, 2007 - 3:59 PMproly cuss he didnt fire you personally shooter
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Because I wouldn't get the dumpster when you said
Tue, March 27, 2007 - 5:46 PMAn', and I wouldn't get the Hyster when you said, and, and then, th- th- then I got it stuck in a mudpuddle, and I was the worst work ranch manager... ever. EVER!
*sob*
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all the world's a stage
Sat, February 24, 2007 - 6:34 AMbravo - glad to see someone else standing we create our world out in the default world and highlight certain realities and challenges of creating such an extraordinary space for spontaneous combustion!
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Sat, February 24, 2007 - 10:03 AMTrickery and illusion are very different things. The neat trick that Metric is talking about is not the intellectual property of BM. Web 2.0 is using the 'trick' as well. The entire SF art scene. That trick, as so elequently stated... it's the backbone of what the Cacophony Society was doing... of course without the money. Cacopony's templet was trying to build something that replicated itself. It only worked a little. The bad parts of Cacophony are now available to you, ad nausium. The good parts of Cacophony are lost.
On Myspace, you can choose friends. But if everyone was your friend, then what would the point be? Similar problem with a 'gift' ecomony (which is total, utter, absolute crap). Once there is no 'other' world to compare to, the ideas fall flat. All the prinicpals (ga-ross) of BM only seem attractive when there is a terribe world of war and corrruption. Because there is no plan to grow the idea to replace culture, but indeed only to affect it, then this becomes a luxury item for rich people. Like me. The regionals just had a summit here and they probably had a great time and are all doing amazing things... each and every one of them doing amazing things... but if Larry doesn't step up to the plate and choose a device to cling to dearly, then all this energy is squandered in all of us talking to all of us about all of us.
The event becomes myopic. Huh? Yup. Less people *clusters* are comming. This is my theory. More human bodies, but they are from less *clusters* of people. Larger clusters seems to do that trick of entertaining each other better. The single person in a rental car who flew in actually spends less money and time and has less to contribute to the malage spectacle. But if we get down to too few clusters, and everyone is 'over it' one year... I don't think that this community could stand another Borg2.
There is a unique opportunity here... for Larry to embrace this environmental theme as his vehicle to introduce the energy surrounding BM to the world. It'll be very interesting to see how the world responds to a man who has been hiding from the world for a decade or more. They're pretty mean. But if he wants to move forward, we all have to stand under the same flag to salute. The environment is likey safe enough even for Larry to invest in. So now he'll spin history and before you know it, he'll be saying how the environment has alwasy been out #1 priority and we are enetering phaze 5 of his 6 phaze plan to curb global warming which he alone has been working on for 30 years since his time in Oregon "(I used to be a gardner.") And the comedy continues.
You must find balance in the *trick*. Sure, we all entertain each other. But you have to get something out of it and take it home with you. I think we all do, that's why we are still here. A lot of people are beguiled by BM because they think it's all voluenteer run. It's a kind of deception that I'm not sure is convenient or deliberate. But deception is what people feel in the end, sometimes. It didn't live up to their standards. Which means that people are still striving for high ideals. So the fight isn't over. And with great leadership great things can be accomplished.
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Sat, February 24, 2007 - 10:34 AMMEtric thanks for the thoughts... very well said
i hope the world as a whole will understand a little better now...
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Malcome Gladwell
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Wed, February 28, 2007 - 1:36 PM<<<I got "The Tipping Point" and read most of it. I like this perspective, and it helps define what's going on at tribe.net and at Burning Man. <<
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Wed, February 28, 2007 - 1:51 PMonce there were more than 200 people, things went to hell.
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Wed, February 28, 2007 - 8:55 PMWe are a community of connectors. We could be the most powerful organization on Earth. We just have no leader. So we can't mobilize. We are self-crippled. That is why I wanted everyone to read the Tipping Point. We have people that have jobs to thow an anual event in the desert, and they do a great job at that. Against all odds. But we need a visionary to lead us on to the world stage. So that we can.... ummmm.... so we can.... ahhhh, er..... hhmmmmm......
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Wed, February 28, 2007 - 9:10 PMI hearby appoint myself Official Visionary.
What's the first question?
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Re: Malcome Gladwell
Wed, February 28, 2007 - 9:12 PM<< what is it that we want again? >>
We want to return the event to 1996.
Short of that, split the event into two pieces. One pre-1996 and held elsewhere, the other post-1996 and held on the playa.
The pre-1996 faction will hold its event on a different date and move location from year to year.
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No one ever listens to me
Thu, March 1, 2007 - 12:54 PM1. split the event into A and B
2. A occurs in desert every labor day, accommodates 35k
3. B moves around, in 2007 it will happen in SF, or maybe southern US, in October(?), accommodates 10-20k
4. Larry is in charge of A
5. M2 is in charge of B
At this point I will address event B October 2007.
We will need a voting system, Fiasco can set it up
We will need a council. I recommend GXAOUI, Fiasco, Frank, John Law, Nat the Bat
This event, we need a name, will take place somewhere in Hunters Point I think
We will not fund art. We will not fund anything except maybe a portajohn or two. We will charge $10. It will be a one-day affair. We will make approx $800.
Let's show Larry we can do it better than him.
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Re: No one ever listens to me
Thu, March 1, 2007 - 1:04 PMI am going to call it Nihilman till some suggests something better.
Where in Hunters Point can we host 10k? Or maybe Full Moon Beach down in Santa Cruz would be better. Halloween?
What art do we want there?
How soon can we get a voting system set up?
Can we shoot guns? Will there be security searches?
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Re: No one ever listens to me
Sat, March 10, 2007 - 7:05 PMI'll gladly pay $10 to watch this pig fuck get busted. Maybe I'll accidentally 'slip and fall down' and sue the promoters.
Oh my leg! There was no lighting near that stairway.
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Re: Malcome Gladwell
Thu, March 1, 2007 - 9:49 AMChicken
We may be connectors (or some of us may be connecters--secretly I hope I'm a maven) but I don't know that we are followers. So the leadership vacuum may be inherent in our "group." My impression of the people I've met on playa and on the boards is that we stubbornly resist congealing into a movement, preferring our individuality. If I still believed that Larry is more or less a figurehead, I'd offer up the fact that he is our "leader" as the result that no body else really wants to be (have bigger fish to fry) and that no one really pays Larry much attention anyway. I'm sure that there is a certain amount of "leadership" in successful camps and art projects, but I"m also guessing that those are below the 200 threshhold and it ain't gonna scale up properly.
And of course if you think that we can start a movement of "think for yourself" we might want to reference Brian.
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