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Is it possible to keep meat at a safe temperature during a full week at the burn? Yes. Is it easy? No. Are you going to want to ride to Center Camp and wait for ice everyday just to make sure that pound of ground beef doesn't spoil? Probably not.
That is why making your kitchen vegetarian is a smart idea. You can buy dehydrated soy meats from Fantastic brand that actually taste like the real thing, just add water, no refrigeration required. Vegetables, and fruits can get nasty, but the chances of food born illness from those once they are properly cooked is far less than meat that sat at 70 degrees in a cooler low on ice for 24-48 hours.
I am NOT a vegetarian, but during the week of the burn eating a vegetarian diet is fantastic.
That is why making your kitchen vegetarian is a smart idea. You can buy dehydrated soy meats from Fantastic brand that actually taste like the real thing, just add water, no refrigeration required. Vegetables, and fruits can get nasty, but the chances of food born illness from those once they are properly cooked is far less than meat that sat at 70 degrees in a cooler low on ice for 24-48 hours.
I am NOT a vegetarian, but during the week of the burn eating a vegetarian diet is fantastic.
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Re: Vegetarians kitchens for the burn are smart!
Mon, October 24, 2011 - 6:35 AMwell...... maybe.
You can get foodbourne illness just as readily from vegetables/fruit as you can from meats. Recently in the USA theres been a few spinach recalls where many got sick, a big one in 2006. In europe they had a problem with bean sprouts being responsible for killing people this year.
You do mention, 'once they are properly cooked' ...indeed, proper cooking can kill some of these baddies... but, again.. you gotta do it properly.. just like with meat.
Just like the veggies and fruit, meat might arrive to you tainted and require proper cooking to become safe(r) to eat without getting you sick.
Also it is important to realize that you can pass food related sickness many ways, if youre lucky enough to get food that isnt tainted already.. Bare hand contact with raw or ready to eat foods can cause illness... Also, contact with unclean surfaces and utensils can make you sick (did your buddy use that spoon you used?)
Remember that you cant smell or taste foodbourne illness...... So, while your meat that sat in yer tent and "went bad" might seem like it would make you sick, odds are it will just taste and smell bad and wont get you sick, unless it was tainted before it got to you.. or you tainted yourself it with dirty hands, surfaces or tools
...and Your fruit and veggies that seem perfectly fine.. but might be full of e-coli that will kill you...
Whatever you do.. Remember that it is a long week...keep clean and keep safe!.. your putting that food inside of you!
having Diarrhea out there sucks... at the minimum...
tips:
-dont eat leftovers, not even of veges and fruits (ESPECIALLY NOT MELONS)
-wash yer hands with soap and dry with a clean towel before going near anything food prep or eating related.. and wash yer hands with soap and a clean towel anytime you go near the potties
-dont just wash yer pots/pans utensils.. sanitize them.. with bleach or boiling water
-if in doubt throw it out!!!
-cook the hell out of everything and eat it all asap.
-bacteria and nasties LOVE human body temperature: the playa can be a nice 98F all day long...
tl;dr:
veges and fruit as just as dangerous as meat.. all food should be prepared and stored with safety in mind, you could die... wash yer hands, sanitize everything, cook to proper temperatures... dont keep leftovers -
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Re: Vegetarians kitchens for the burn are smart!
Mon, October 24, 2011 - 8:34 AMA good tip I heard from a very reputable produce clerk is that you should also wash fruits/veggies that you will NOT be eating the rind, like melons or avocados.
As soon as your knife passes through the rind, it will carry into the fruit any bacteria from the outside!
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Re: Vegetarians kitchens for the burn are smart!
Mon, October 24, 2011 - 4:38 PMlemur this isn't completely true. You can have veggies and fruits unrefrigerated for a few days. Yes, they must be properly cleaned, and yes they should be cooked properly. Meat on the other hand begins decay at room temperature -
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Re: Vegetarians kitchens for the burn are smart!
Mon, October 24, 2011 - 4:43 PM'Meat on the other hand begins decay at room temperature'
We had us a Hippie once posing as DPW that was well stewed in PBR that lasted about a week. Then the Gate opened and, well, ever heard stories about Frog Pond and the piranha fish...
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Re: Vegetarians kitchens for the burn are smart!
Mon, October 24, 2011 - 10:14 AMThis year, I pre-cooked a bunch of meat, sealed it in bags and froze it. the only thing that sucked was the bags weren't 100%, so when they fell into the cooler brine, a couple took on water. but I had meal-sized meat packets the whole burn... -
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Re: Vegetarians kitchens for the burn are smart!
Mon, October 24, 2011 - 12:52 PMThe same thing happened to me! Some friends gave me some luscious smoked chicken breasts, but the vacuum seal failed and they were ruined. Note to self: put vacuum-sealed bags inside ziplocs.
I've done the same sort of thing with frozen ziplocs of jambalaya, too. Really spicy stuff seems to wake my tastebuds up out there. Odd. -
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Re: Vegetarians kitchens for the burn are smart!
Mon, October 24, 2011 - 4:43 PMI found some good jerky recipes, I think that will go on the docket next.
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Re: Vegetarians kitchens for the burn are smart!
Mon, October 24, 2011 - 2:25 PM
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Re: Vegetarians kitchens for the burn are smart!
Mon, October 24, 2011 - 11:29 PMIf the main concern is convenience, then you could live on Slim Jims, pork rinds and tepid water the whole week, but why? I go to burning man to enjoy myself. For a small investment in a decent cooler and dry ice, I didn't have to buy water ice this past year at all. Had omelets, bacon, steaks, pulled pork, cheese, ice cream ... probably a few other things that would kill lesser burners. I don't eat like that in default world, but neither do I run around nekkid in public. -
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Re: Vegetarians are flat out discusting
Tue, October 25, 2011 - 1:09 AMTofu tastes like failure, and is eaten by people who tend to get beaten up a lot.
The historical record is quite clear on this.
When the aliens came to Olduvai valley some 250,000 years ago, and left that black monolith, they didn't fill those starving monkey's brains with patchouli, and tie die peace signs.
No. The Aliens gave our distant ancestors the one, basic idea that has sustained us all these years.
Namely, that most problems in this world can best be solved by beating somebody's brains out with the jawbone of a warthog.
That simple idea seems to be the root basis for all of human civilization, since long before anybody bothered to start recording history.
It's been a long, and arduous climb to the top of the food pyramid, and I like the view from here.
There are many advantages.
As a carnivore, I get to spend lots more time sleeping then your average gazelle, and I still have plenty of time to go bowling on Wednesdays, something no Wildebeest can say.
Vegans spend most of their waking hours eating, or busting massive, really stinky , green grumpies.
It's an undignified lifestyle that makes people weak and smell like Doctor Bronner's butt.
Speaking of butts, as far as playa food goes, just give me a greasy sack full of deep fried egg battered cat assholes.
Boy, that's some good eating. Crunchy, with that zesty barnyard tang of fecal matter.
Do I care that there are thousands of cats that now need colostomy bags ?
Not really.
As the top link of the food chain, I have a moral imperative, to eat anything I can get my grubby mitts on.
To do anything else, is simply un evolutioary, and more then certainly offends our Little Green Masters.
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Re: Vegetarians are flat out discusting
Mon, December 5, 2011 - 9:25 AM"Tofu tastes like failure, and is eaten by people who tend to get beaten up a lot. "
Wow. Tell me, Zaius, is it true what they say, that ignorance is bliss? -
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Re: Vegetarians are flat out discusting
Mon, December 5, 2011 - 11:42 AMWow. Tell me, Zaius, is it true what they say, that ignorance is bliss?
I wouldn't know about that.
Actually, you sound like a person who has first hand knowledge on that issue. -
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Re: Vegetarians are flat out discusting
Tue, December 6, 2011 - 7:15 PM>"Wow. Tell me, Zaius, is it true what they say, that ignorance is bliss?"
Spoken like a true PeTA cultist.
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Re: Vegetarians are flat out disgusting
Tue, December 6, 2011 - 10:42 PM>Tofu tastes like failure, and is eaten by people who tend to get beaten up a lot. <
Tofu tastes like whatever you flavor it with. I guess yours would taste like failure. I eat plenty of tofu and have never been beaten up and not just because of my winning personality. I totally agree about vegetarians - fucking hypocrites - vegan is the only way to eat. BTW it's spelled disgusting, the root is gustare (tasting).
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Re: Vegetarians kitchens for the burn are smart!
Wed, November 2, 2011 - 9:46 AMhome made dehydrated meat requires no refrigeration and no cleaning after its been dehydrated. outside of nuts, it is the easiest thing to eat on the playa. the lack of soy, wheat, sugar, high fructose corn syrup, and other weird preservatives also makes it one of the healthiest things to eat on those dusty days.
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Re: Vegetarians kitchens for the burn are smart!
Wed, November 2, 2011 - 9:59 AMThank you. My very thoughts...
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Re: Vegetarians kitchens for the burn are smart!
Wed, November 2, 2011 - 10:12 AMDehydrated meat ain't so great to cook with though. I'm not a vegetarian so I don't have any religious stake in this. But if I am going to eat a group meal on the playa, I'd feel more confident in the food safety if it were vegetarian. -
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Re: Vegetarians kitchens for the burn are smart!
Wed, November 2, 2011 - 10:24 AM>>Dehydrated meat ain't so great to cook with<<
Well, that's kinda the point... NOT to cook.
Let's face it, there's a lot of burners out there who sustain them selves on chips, beer and the occasional can of soup. -
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Re: Vegetarians kitchens for the burn are smart!
Wed, November 2, 2011 - 11:24 AM*waves*
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Re: Vegetarians kitchens for the burn are smart!
Wed, November 2, 2011 - 12:44 PM>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd feel more confident in the food safety if it were vegetarian.<<<<<<<<<<<<
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Food poisoning is, by far, the most common kind of "dosing" to be found on the playa.
Let's face it. Your all a just a bunch of filthy monkeys.
After a couple of days on the playa, sparkling, sanitary cooking facilities don't really exist.
Mostly, you just get used to your own cooties, and ingesting strange cooties, from somebody else's kitchen, is a direct invitation to a night spent in the porta can, with a dose of the Screaming Grumpies.
After all, remember what killed Buddha. If you don't know, look it up. Basically, he died from too much politeness.
There are times when declining hospitality can save your life.
Just as many vegan kitchens are as filthy as carnivore ones. At least, that's what I hear. I would rather be beaten on the reproductive organs with a sick porcupine, then willingly eat vegan.
In any case, the only reliable way to avoid the common ailment of green, lumpy rectal ooze, is to eat Playa Kosher.
Only eat stuff out of your own stash.
Only drink from a container, if you opened it, and don't put it down, and turn your back on it.
Use your own utensils, and if possible, find ways to not use any utensils, at all.
Yes, the list is a little limiting, but so are hours of painful cramps.
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Re: Vegetarians kitchens for the burn are smart!
Tue, December 6, 2011 - 11:19 PMI mostly get ice to keep my beer cold. Keeping my meat cold is just a perk.
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Re: Vegetarians kitchens for the burn are smart!
Tue, December 13, 2011 - 5:18 AMAnd then there are those of us who aren't supposed to have soy. Yes, it is bad for you if you eat too much of it, especially if you've had ER+ breast cancer.
Some years I have brought frozen, sealed, precooked chicken. Some years, tuna packets and canned chicken. We always have turkey jerky and shelf stable bacon. The world is full of meaty goodness in convenient packaging.
Personally, I'd not bring raw meat of any kind, but that's mostly because I can't keep people out of the freezer cooler.
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Re: Vegetarians kitchens for the burn are smart!
Tue, December 13, 2011 - 5:57 PMHmm, there is way too much factual good advice sprinkled amongst the snark.
My practice is to eat slop food at ambient temperature from single-serving pop-top cans, despite the BPA. Rinse can with water, swirl spoon, and drink, crush can with mallet. Immediately return to playa.
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Re: Vegetarians kitchens for the burn are smart!
Wed, December 14, 2011 - 5:10 PMAh, so you too are aware of the Super Cold Chocolate Pudding Ploy.
Delivered strategically, it can brings friends and strangers to their knees begging for another serving.
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