OT: barbara ehrenreich on the cult of positive thinking

topic posted Thu, October 15, 2009 - 7:19 AM by  automatthew
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  • error 404, page not found....

    I searched using both the name and topic, with no results. Could you repost the link?
    • Here's the full episode:
      tinyurl.com/yfhf8oo
      It's the last segment, so you may want to jump to the last marker on the timeline of the video.

      That was great. Her points reiterate what I've been feeling for years. Funny, everyone called me a wet blanket, too.
      • hmmmm... lame.

        thanks anne for posting the full episode. can't seem to find any other way to link to the clip itself...
        • Great. Thanks for posting.
          • Barbara is a journalist, not a researcher or scientist. What she says has some validity, but she's off the mark on other stuff. Dr. Larry Dosey has made detailed studies of positive prayer's helpful effects on surgeries.
            There's Dr. Masaru Emoto's Hidden Messages in Water, that reveals how positive thinking and speaking effects the behavior of water molecules (we're 90% water remember)
            There's Jeremy Narby's 'The Cosmic Serpent" that outlays the remarkable healing knowledge of the Amazon's ayahuasca shamans who were informed through ritual and plants of DNA's double helix long before western scientists came upon it.
            There's Bruce Lipton, Ph.D.'s "Biology of Belief" that puts belief ahead of genetics in determining health outcomes in many cases.

            Barbara may be talking about so called "New Agers" who just do the "thinking" without the acting. Rabbi Michael Lerner has a new group called spiritual activists, who employ the technology of positive thinking, then go out and act politically. My own friend Nada from Friends of the Eel River, is a spiritually inspired woman, who's "vision" that came from the river inspired her to start one of northern California's most powerful and effective environmental groups saving the Eel River and its ecosystem.

            Barabara could have titled the Book, "The Pitfalls of Those Who Rely on Positive Thinking Alone", but she didn't, and she's unwise to attack a movement that's placed many effective activists on the front lines of eco and social change.
            • anyone who takes the emoto stuff seriously has no intellectual creditability whatsoever.
              • welllll that's a bit extreme; let's say they have failed to research the experiment fully and have relied on wishful thinking's seductive tendency to coax us into believing stuff we hope is true. Science-flavored expressions of magical thought are inevitable in a world where science becomes more and more accessible. As understanding of science and scientific terms grows, so does / will the articulation and sophistication of the mistakes made in attributing scientific credibility to beliefs worded just-so (such as the fallacious and fantastic assertions of theists and atheists straining to resolve a question that, logically, can never be resolved).

                Sometimes the stuff we hope is true is not true, no matter how logically it dovetails with our belief systems and the assumptions they foster.

                It *would* have been neat if Emoto's experiments were sound and scientific, sure. Sadly perhaps to some, they weren't.

                One need only pause to consider the consequences of his theory, were it proved: the alterations to existing technology in the modern sense; the way the history of human interaction with the environment would have been different, in the developmental / historical sense.

                Like most mistakes of this kind, the theory itself places special emphasis on the importance of human attribution of meaning. If human attribution of meaning had the magical powers so many insist it does, our world, our species, our history, our technology would all necessarily be *so* much different than they are in reality.

                It is hard, but the more people come to accept the reality of nature and the nature of reality, the more we can focus on sanely and responsibly limiting suffering and promoting well-being in the real world.


                >> (Emoto) freely admits that he picked and chose particular crystals that fit his own definition of "beautiful" and even admits that isn't scientific. He then goes off into a digression about how science really isn't that sure of anything in the first place, erroneously invoking Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.

                The crystals are simply random. That's all there is to it. Are they affected by "the personality and thought of the photographer"? Only in one very important way: Due to personality and thought, the photographer selects certain crystals and ignores others, from an initial collection that is totally random. As Emoto says, "the whim of the person doing the selecting certainly comes into play” and "I admit that the selection process is not strictly in accordance with the scientific method, but.." <<

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