If Burninman were cancelled

topic posted Fri, October 19, 2007 - 9:50 AM by  Aaron
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Would you still show up?
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Aaron
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    Re: If Burninman were cancelled

    Sat, October 20, 2007 - 11:52 AM
    I'd be out there.
    And I'd still be working to keep the playa pristine... One-man point sweeps...
    I think it's a good idea to come to the playa off-season a few times and spend a couple days or a fortnight out there /truly/ self-reliant. I know many do, and in my experience those of us that do have more respect for the playa, and treat it like the beautiful and deadly gift it is.

    Keeping it beautiful and deadly will keep us there.
  • Re: If Burninman were cancelled

    Sun, October 21, 2007 - 7:33 AM
    no, but the Rainbows probably would
    • Re: If Burninman were cancelled

      Mon, October 22, 2007 - 11:32 AM
      Isn't there a one mile buffer zone outside the fence you aren't allowed in once the event starts? I know Gate and Perimeter patrol it and I think BLM does too..
      • Re: If Burninman were cancelled

        Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:48 PM
        Burning Man isn't necessarily about location. Although many of us are attached to BRC, it doesn't mean that the spirit of Burning Man can't go on at other locations. Look at Earthdance, for example, this is a worldwide event where several large-scale and private events happen. To be honest, it would be kind of exciting to see Burning Man ascend to that level and still remain true to it's nature. We have to remember what Burning Man symbolizes and represents rather than the physical aspects of it.
      • Re: If Burninman were cancelled

        Mon, October 22, 2007 - 1:10 PM
        <<<Isn't there a one mile buffer zone outside the fence you aren't allowed in once the event starts?>>>

        what if I camp outside, and have a ticket though? I can't spend the week a mille from 1000s of my friends and not go say hi :)
        • Re: If Burninman were cancelled

          Mon, October 22, 2007 - 1:45 PM
          Bobzilla:
          > www.nv.blm.gov/Winnemucca...endices.pdf

          Actually, you can camp within 50 yards of the trash fence, to the north and east of the event, if you're not creating dust.

          From the BLM:

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          SPECIAL RECREATION PERMIT STIPULATIONS BURNING MAN 2006-2010

          Possession of Firearms within perimeter fence.

          Discharge of Firearms within 2 miles of the perimeter fence.

          Camping and Motorized Vehicles Creating Dust within one-mile of the perimeter fence.

          Operation of Motor Vehicles prohibited within the event except as provided for in Stipulation 36.

          Closed to all public uses within a designated area (to be defined in the yearly closure orders) west and south of the perimeter fence encompassing the airport, entrance road, and ticket area.

          Possession of Fireworks prohibited within the perimeter fence.

          Aircraft Landing (except by participants on the strip) within 2 miles of the perimeter fence.

          Closed to motorized vehicles and camping within a 50 yard buffer outside the perimeter fence.

          Unauthorized camping within the perimeter fence

          www.nv.blm.gov/Winnemucca...endices.pdf

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          CTP:
          > what if I camp outside, and have a ticket though? I can't spend the week a mille from 1000s of my friends and not go say hi :)

          According to the BLM permit, you can camp within 50 yards if you're not creating dust.

          I wouldn't be surprised if the BMORG or their apologists give you disinformation to try to scare you out of doing such things, but here is what the website has to say about the topic:

          "Hiking in or through the closure zone is highly discouraged. Those on foot in this area should be prepared to show a ticket stub or risk deportation to the front gate for payment."

          So, don't let them scare you, and just show your ticket.

          www.burningman.com/preparat...ment.html
        • Re: If Burninman were cancelled

          Mon, October 22, 2007 - 1:45 PM

          >what if I camp outside, and have a ticket though?

          That's not an option available to you. Never will be.

          Not unless you choose to camp beyond the buffer zone and the exclusion area around the event.
          • Re: If Burninman were cancelled

            Tue, October 23, 2007 - 9:39 PM
            Badger:
            > > what if I camp outside, and have a ticket though?
            > That's not an option available to you. Never will be.

            The BLM and burningman.com seem to disagree with you.

            According to the BLM, you can camp within 50 yards of the trash fence so long as you're not kicking up dust.

            And according to burningman.com, it's only "strongly discouraged" for ticket holders to walk through the closure zone.
      • Re: If Burninman were cancelled

        Mon, October 22, 2007 - 1:42 PM
        >Isn't there a one mile buffer zone outside the fence you aren't allowed in once the event starts? I know Gate and Perimeter patrol it and I think BLM does too..

        O know it isn't one mile but there is in fact a buffer zone. I *believe* it may be something like 50-100 yards on all sides of the fence excluding the airport landing strip and the plane parking area.
        • Re: If Burninman were cancelled

          Mon, October 22, 2007 - 2:03 PM
          Anyone want to go in on T-shirts that say "Apologist" ? Sassy, evocative, goes from office to evening with just a few accessories. It's so rare I get accused of being anything so . . . Cold War-esque. I'm kinda digging it . . . maybe we could even kick it up a notch to "Collaborationist" or "Fellow Traveler."
          • Re: If Burninman were cancelled

            Mon, October 22, 2007 - 5:38 PM
            ? over my head.
            • Dispersed camping on the playa

              Wed, October 24, 2007 - 7:49 AM
              There is no set number of people-per-camp which triggers a permit requirement from the BLM. It is at the manager's discretion if they deem a gathering to be potentially destructive to resources in the National Recreation Area. Also, they take into account whether the gathering is for a commercial purpose, or whether it has been organized.

              The North American Eagle land speed folks only had 30 people or so in their group, not including film crews and looky loos, and they were required to have a permit in the "fee demo" model of $4 per person per day. Of course, they also had a converted F-104 jet car with sponsorship logos plastered all over it, and were conducting a potentially dangerous activity.

              Here's the map of the closure area from last year: blackrockdesert.org/maps/200...e_Map.gif
              It seems larger than the 50 yards someone has suggested.

              The Fourth of July activities on the playa have taken on the vernacular "Fourth of Juplaya" moniker, and last time this was enough for the BLM to start looking at it as an organized event, regardless of how far apart camps were placed. They were also looking at the internet for signs of "planning." They nade noises about enforcement, but ultimately there was no drama, and people just did what they did.

              The BLM has a responsibility to protect the resources of the NCA and, like it or not, has default liability for the safety of citizens who visit. They will continue to try to collect fees from significant activities on the playa to fund their administrative costs. Their funding has gone down every year throughout the history of their existence. Burning Man is a significant part of their budget, though most of that income pays for the administration of the event itself.

              In my opinion, an en masse occupation of the playa without coordination would be a huge disaster.
              • Re: Dispersed camping on the playa

                Wed, October 24, 2007 - 3:21 PM
                Metric:
                > Here's the map of the closure area from last year:

                Thanks for the info.

                That seems to be the best source yet of info about what is closed and what is not.

                To the South East and East, the closure zone is not much beyond the trash fence, but probably a bit more than 50 yards.

                > In my opinion, an en masse occupation of the playa without coordination would be a huge disaster.

                Probably true, but it would be depend on to what extent the people were willing to be truly "radically self-reliant", and how much they believed in "leave no trace".

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