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Re: PBR Chic?
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 1:03 PMI wonder how much Burning Man and the DPW had to do with that? It could have started with the DPW and spread quickly to other non-conformists. The story for Black Rock is that it was the only beer available in multi-pack cans at the Empire store so became a badge of honor for the DPW crew. That could be a myth. Might also be that all these micro brews are becoming too trendy so young non-conformists went with something raw and basic.
I prefer PBR to any micro-brew or Sierra Nevada. I live in Chico where they brew the stuff and I don't like it. These trendy micro-brews (and former or imitation micro-brews) all hop the hell out of the beer. Hops is a bitter weed added to beer to cover the taste of alcohol. Some of us are more sensitive to bitterness than others. I don't like bitter, so PBR is better to me than anything from Sierra Nevada. Did you know beers are rated on a bitterness scale? It is called the International Bitterness Unit. Seriously. Check it out.
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Re: PBR Chic?
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 1:10 PMI always figured that it was the "small beer" effect. There's not a lot of alcholhal (or at least I think there isn't) in PBR, so you can drink it and still work.
I don't like lagers or pilsners. Ales, porters, stouts. Don't know where those rate on hoppy scales, but don't give me one of those weak american soapy lagers. -
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Re: PBR Chic?
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 1:10 PMAnd if ever was a hipster, I got to old years ago. -
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Re: PBR Chic?
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 1:20 PMYeah, but some people think they're so chic because they drink a really bitter over hopped beer. Like its macho or something. People who don't like bitterness (even if they themselves are bitter ;-) will prefer a standard American lager, which as a variety of beer has the lowest IBU. So I say yes to PBR ! :-)
cuz I don't like bitter!
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Re: PBR Chic?
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 1:00 PMwait, are you saying i'm not chic because i like bitter beer?
"Yeah, but some people think they're so chic because they drink a really bitter over hopped beer."
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Re: PBR Chic?
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 5:00 PM<The story for Black Rock is that it was the only beer available in multi-pack cans at the Empire store so became a badge of honor for the DPW crew. That could be a myth>
Actually, the Empire store put PBR on sale for a long time during the build a few summers ago, so it became the drink of choice. Before that, DPW drank any old thing that came our way: Keystone, Natural Ice, whatever, as long as it was cheap - the wateriness was a fortunate side-effect of the cheapness.
And speaking of Sierra Nevada, end of the week parties during the build used to actually feature kegs of Sierra or other good beer, as a special treat after nothing but the cheap stuff floating around. Then PBR became the trendy drink and has pretty much been the only beer you'll find at DPW functions - which is pretty sucky if you ask me. I mean, it's fine for cheap beer, but it's still just cheap beer. I think it's pretty lame that fucking brand identification has taken such a strong hold.
Oh, and as for it's trendiness in the wider world, I think that has a lot to due with the movie Blue Velvet - hipsters and art house movie fans everywhere suddenly got the idea that PBR was all about blue-collar cred. -
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Re: PBR Chic?
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 6:46 PMSuddenly fifteen years later...
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Re: PBR Chic?
Sat, October 17, 2009 - 7:09 PMI've found that the 'trendiness' factor has a direct correlation to the amount of time someone has discovered it, likes it, thinks it's the Best and then sees others enjoying it in the same measure.
Bottom line for me is that I've NEVER had a DPW person turn down a beer that was offered nor have they ever scoffed at my choice of what's freely given which, BTW, is often one of those trendy beers.
Personally, I think about the only thing that's jumped the shark brew-wise are the poseurs who set themselves up as Masters of Taste for the rest of us.
They don't deserve to taste the piss of my last Belgian Framboise.
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Re: PBR Chic?
Thu, October 22, 2009 - 11:39 AMIt was easy for us to decide what beer to take. Lucky's had PBR on sale for $11.99 a 30 pack, and everything else was $13.99 for 24. So when we bought our 10 cases for the month out there, we saved 20 bucks. I spent that on guinness for those special occasions out there that deserve something nice...
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Re: PBR Chic?
Tue, October 20, 2009 - 3:38 PMThe Protestants launched a crusade against the Catholic monopoly on a mixure of herbs called gruit. Most beer was made at home back then and the monks had the market cornered.
The mix was a secret, and had herbs that were slightly hallucinagenic as well as aphrodisiacal, and medicinal.
The Protestants would not have any of that, so they battled for almost 200 years before making it illegal to use anything but water, barley, and hoppes (a sedative and anti aphrodesiac). The only thing not on the list is yeast. Back then they believed some magic or god fermented the brew. Using hoppes makes your brew an ale not a beer.
Micro brews, somehow, are not bound by this law, yet they still believe adding way too many hoppes is some kind of gourmet practice. I hate that bitter shit.
My local micro has one called the 395, after our local HWY. During a global hop shortage a few years ago they took our advice and tried other stuff. Juniper and sage, as well as hoppes, makes this one of my favorite store bought ales.
I love the first TOASTED taste of PBR, and, IMO, is the best cheap beer warm. Workable buzz, and mellow hangover. I know many DPW who agree.
Make your own beer and mead at home using local herbs and medicinals. You will be pleasantly surprised by how un-drunk your are. -
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What about the Alewives?
Tue, October 20, 2009 - 5:02 PMMost beer was made at home back then and the monks had the market cornered. -
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Re: What about the Alewives?
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 2:25 AMThe beer was made at home by the women, the monks made the gruit at the monestaries.
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Re: PBR Chic?
Tue, October 20, 2009 - 5:53 PM"Make your own beer and mead at home using local herbs and medicinals. You will be pleasantly surprised by how un-drunk your are."
Puma, I can get behind making your own beer for all the reasons you provided. But mead?? I've never had a mead that I didn't wake up feeling like my head had been run over by Grendel driving a bulldozer while I passed out in the mead hall.. -
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Re: PBR Chic?
Tue, October 20, 2009 - 6:04 PMI wouldn't let that get to Hrothgar's ears. He's pretty particular about having his hospitality taken seriously.
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Re: PBR Chic?
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 2:18 AMYou must let mead age like wine.
I learned this only because I lost a few in the back of the cellar for couple years. It really does make a difference. -
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Re: PBR Chic?
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 1:35 PM<I learned this only because I lost a few in the back of the cellar for couple years. It really does make a difference>
I've had homemade mead that was just amazing. My friends who make it say you've got bury the cask in a hillside or something deep enough tha it stays cool and leave it for at least six months.
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Re: PBR Chic?
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 1:14 PMIt gained popularity in that crowd because they *gave* the stuff away. They donated cases, hell, pallets of PBR to events at skateparks, alt bands, etc, as a way of getting their product and their logo some visibility. It was a form of advertising in that niche market, it cost less than billboards and superbowl commercials, and it worked.
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Re: PBR Chic?
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 1:17 PMYEah, I read about it in a book. It was about sort of how producers of beer, shoes, cars, whatever, tap into that irony "no-brand" brandedness. Basically, we're all suckers and slaves to the megacorporations, and if we think we aren't, that just means that we are hooked deeper than we thought.
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Re: PBR Chic?
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 1:21 PMBack in the 80's they gave out Budweiser (or was it Miller?) after Bay to Breakers! -
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Re: PBR Chic?
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Re: PBR Chic?
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 1:36 PMThey are really hung up on the shoes and socks thing, aren't they?
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Re: PBR Chic?
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 3:57 PMI consumed the most PBR in college, ah good ol 10 cent PBR night.
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Re: PBR Chic?
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 3:17 PMThis reminds me of the whole Faygo craze in white trash areas...
I wonder how many homophobes love Faygo. -
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Re: PBR Chic?
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 8:23 PMAh, Faygo Rock & Rye. Childhood memories.
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Re: PBR Chic?
Tue, October 27, 2009 - 7:19 AMNowadays, Faygo is pushed by the Insane Clown Posse. To "get it", you drink Faygo. Thanks, I'll stick to something that tastes better.
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Re: PBR Chic?
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 10:33 PMA birthday cake for DPW...
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Re: PBR Chic?
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 10:45 PMI did a simple taste test based on two criteria: flavor cold, and flavor hot. Like hot-as-tea.
PBR was best cold -- by far -- followed by Miller Genuine Draft (forever incorrectly acronymized "MDR" by a friend a long time ago) and Tecate.
Hot-as-tea from the sun, however, MDR ranked first, followed closely by Tecate. PBR was horribly chemical-tasting.
Then serendipity struck and I noted that Genesee beat the top two contenders. The important lesson: try your cheap local brew hot-as-tea. If it is indeed not so bad, buy it locally where it's cheap, schlep it to the Playa, and forget the cooler.
Fuck you, I love you,
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Re: PBR Chic?
Thu, October 15, 2009 - 9:17 AMGenesee has a pretty good reputation. I've wanted to try it, because my mother grew up in Buffalo. Is it still brewed by the original firm, or was it ressurected? -
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Re: PBR Chic?
Thu, October 15, 2009 - 5:43 PMIt is still brewed in the same plant, although it's no longer the Genesee Brewery. Well, kind of. About 15 years ago, they reorganized or something as High Falls Brewing Company and started making stuff like Honey Brown and J.W. Dundee. Recently, they were about to shut down and were bought out by North American Breweries so now a few more brews are made there like Sam Adams and Labatt Blue. The "Cream Ale Drinker" blogger noted that they refurbished and turned on the old sign July 17, 2009 ( creamaledrinker.wordpress.com/200...ery/ ) which has been dark for 40 years or so.
Like any cheap local beer, it's deemed crap. However, I've come to really like regular Genesee. Too bad it's so hard to find on tap anywhere (everyone has Genny Light instead ... sometimes Genny Cream Ale). I usually try to bring some to the Playa and I might be there in 2010. I want to work on the Temple (which is the only thing I've always really liked) but I haven't done much to try and find out where to go. So if I'm there, I'll set a few aside for Playdipity.
Fuck you, I love you,
---Jason Olshefsky
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Re: PBR Chic?
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 9:08 AMMy take on the PBR "craze" is simply this: it's both the best tasting (COLD, as Jason notes) AND cheap swill beer. If you're working in the sun, it goes down good and doesn't threaten to come up, and it isn't so potent that you (immediately, anyway) become a hazard to yourself and others (drinking Lambic while working on a roof? Prob. not a good idea...). This is particularly so in Utah, where cheap swill beer (and all others from the grocery store) come in 3.2 strength.
As far as "craze", maybe it is to some, but 10 years ago it was the beer of choice in northeastern South Carolina-- almost all the college "dive bars" had PBR for a buck-a-can.
We used to get Rainier beer here in SLC, and IMHO, it's better than PBR-- if it were available, I'd drink it instead. The other runner up (in my book) is Busch. They all taste great COLD. I agree that Genesee tastes better, but it's another regional beer (like Rainier). Another good regional beer is Leinekeugel's, up in the Wisconsin area. The fatal flaw with the popularity of this beer is the name: it's hard enough to enunciate it sober ;- )
And the bonus of schlepping your cheap local tasty swill to the playa: you can turn people on to some "exotic" local tastery!
And hot-as-tea beer? Well, that's just alcohol abuse!!
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Re: PBR Chic?
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 12:25 PMAgreed. I was a, die hard, long time MGD fan, but have recently switched to the High Life (champagne of beer!). As far as the warm cold taste goes I agree, PBR tastes like a tin can when it gets warm. We have found that Keystone Light (made by Coors) does not gain any metal-ish taste when it gets warm, making it perfect for the desert, college parties, and giving away.
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Re: PBR Chic?
Thu, October 15, 2009 - 4:35 PMIf Stag ever goes mainstream, someone punch me in the face.
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Re: PBR Chic?
Thu, October 15, 2009 - 5:36 PMPBR is definitely the best tasting "shit" brew......
Its not as sugary tasting as Bud n Coors n natty etc....
I think thats initially what makes it cool is my guess.....
The punks always thought PBR was the Cool Beer, like over 15 years ago. I had a non burner butch girlfriend in the 90s who would make cool buttons and leather jacket patches out of old PBR cans. Like totally rad!
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Re: PBR Chic?
Thu, October 15, 2009 - 6:08 PMOk here are my criteria for low end beer for the burn.
1. Price
2. Taste
3. Intensity of hangover
4. Taste when warm.
Tecate is the winner for me. PBR second. Busch 3rd. -
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Re: PBR Chic?
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 12:29 PMMy criteria are the same, my choice ends up being Keystone light by Coors. I don't know if its a Colorado thing, but around here Keystone is as prominent if not more than Pabst. I have finished off plenty of hour old wounded soldiers and not much taste is sacrificed after warming.
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Re: PBR....is *HOT*
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 11:57 AM
marketing
cheap
tastes better than bud
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Re: PBR....is *HOT*
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 11:37 AMIn my experience I've found that Tecate beats PBR in the warm (not tea hot!) taste test by a fair margin. Has anyone seen those tv ads for Natural Light and Natty Ice? -
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Re: PBR....is *HOT*
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 12:30 PMHell yeah! I'm still looking for a Natty Caddy!
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Re: PBR....is *HOT*
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 12:50 PMNo but i've seen the adds for Bud Light "Golden Wheat." Now there is an oxymoron. How can you have a light wheat beer? What makes a wheat beer cloudy is the wheat, which is loaded with calories. How can you make a light wheat? More bullshit marketing. Then again I'll have to try it, it is probably low on the IBU (not bitter).
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Re: PBR Chic?
Thu, October 22, 2009 - 7:23 PMhahahahaha, i bet that DPW definitely had something to do with it, lol, funny as hell! -
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Re: PBR Chic?
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 12:52 PMah... did somebody say beer?
I'd love a pallet.
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