http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#f7793435-8f0b-4eda-8d7f-4e21bf144a9d ...and I'm saying that if you give that power to anyone they will abuse it. Only democratic selection can *curb* the corrpution. Not even kill it all together. I concur that art selection is the hardest job at an arts festival. Too bad the powers that be won't even call BM an arts festival because of their huberus. Got a free golf cart on Craigslist yesterday. Probably in better shape than Sundancers (but the batteries are shot). All the carts on Craigslist that were there last week are still there. I'm sure the economy is stifiling all kinds of sales of things. Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:04:21 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#f7793435-8f0b-4eda-8d7f-4e21bf144a9d Chicken 2008-04-24T06:04:21Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#3f4ac832-cc4f-4216-8f4f-66994eea2eb2 Deciding which vehicles get licensed and which ones don't is one of the hardest jobs in the Burning Man community. Not every vehicle that applies for a license can or should be licensed. Hotties consider whether or not your vehicle will be able to capture every camera and eye as it rolls by. http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/photos/a25cf44f-aa2a-4ba6-816e-be2717860af9 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:31:51 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#3f4ac832-cc4f-4216-8f4f-66994eea2eb2 $item.owner.firstName 2008-04-24T05:31:51Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#b9958658-2a01-4a32-8d9c-66844d87d9b7 Chicken may be a fucking hypocrite (and I'm not so sure he is, he freely admitted using his dad's cart and any one of you would do the same, I sure as hell would!) but at least he's an HONEST fucking hypocrite. Everything he said about the golf cart was true, the price Sundancer was/is asking is fucking outrageous I don't know if if Sundancer has been dancing in the sun too long or what but even with the customization it's way too much for a golf cart, hell for that price you could get a used one of these: http://www.compacttractor.co.uk/Photos/Kawasaki%20Mule%20550%20482T.jpg much nicer than your average EZ-GO! Hot Wheelz Camp kicks ass, does anyone know if they're affiliated with Veggies and Gimps camp? Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:19:49 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#b9958658-2a01-4a32-8d9c-66844d87d9b7 Lonestoner 2008-04-24T05:19:49Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#cfae92a3-450f-45a4-9a13-8a93b607a3aa I was looking for my pet frog, Larry, when I stumbled across some chocolate mint cookies that I forgot I had.............mmm...........chocolate. Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:55:16 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#cfae92a3-450f-45a4-9a13-8a93b607a3aa Violetblue 2008-04-24T04:55:16Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#6208b1ca-76c5-4992-a39f-94f6ec09b15c Wow, I just got a quick reminder why I bolted from this tribe over the winter. Why all the bickering? I don't get it. As for "Mr. Fixit", he is a good friend of mine. AKA "Big Dale" Huntsman. I spend every year I attend, at he and his wifes' camp shootin' the shit and seeing handicapped folks borrow cool mutant vehicles to run around and check out BM. Never saw anyone abuse his loving goodness too much. A couple of people went on extended runs (not cool). But all of the folks I met were definitely handicapped. Giving to BM is an extension of his love of people. To maintain the ideals of BM and bring folks closer. Dale retired this year and will be representing in '08 with his "Big Giant Head" and Hot Wheelz Camp. I personally have given him wheelchair parts and batteries for his handicapped mutant vehicles and also given him a past mutant vehicle of mine to convert into a mutant for HotWheelz Camp. If you have anything you'd like to donate to Hot Wheelz Camp let me know. I'll forward your contact info to him. He'd be grateful as he is on a fixed income now. He lives just north of Reno. ;-) We'll probably go camping and dirt biking this summer if anyone's interested. ;-))) Roger Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:24:49 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#6208b1ca-76c5-4992-a39f-94f6ec09b15c Cook bacon naked! 2008-04-24T04:24:49Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#e6267326-6ebf-4eaf-aa22-8d51cab9f9ad >I'm just a little bummed that it derailed from being more about education for the DMV and the fabulous work of the HotWheelz camp. < I have a tough time following your logic. This thread never started as one about educating folks about the DMV or HotWheelz camp. It started as a sale pitch by you. When CJ derailed it then the education portion was provided. Said another way, you started a thread to sell something, CJ's actions turned it into education. The other area I was confused by was your telling us about your food posioning and then in the same response telling someone, 'my health is none of your fucking business.' Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:06:49 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#e6267326-6ebf-4eaf-aa22-8d51cab9f9ad Peter 2008-04-23T20:06:49Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#308f2044-29fb-432a-bd02-88d2962eaa83 chicken, I cannot believe you actually ran for mayor. and that people gave you money for that. That truly is performance art, like this trollspew. Looks like I won't be wasting my art vote on you. Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:32:25 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#308f2044-29fb-432a-bd02-88d2962eaa83 TomCat 2008-04-23T19:32:25Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#cfbff218-f0eb-4903-9080-724ddc006463 Shriner mini cars, motorized bar stools and cooler trikes represent typical mass produced novelty vehicles that are not Burning Man Mutant Vehicles. With so many participants applying for licensing of truly one of a kind Mutants, who wants to see a vehicle not created from the mind of the applicants or one that just copies someone else’s idea. http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/photos/64580ae1-9803-482f-a891-aea7e74d002c Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:17:18 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#cfbff218-f0eb-4903-9080-724ddc006463 $item.owner.firstName 2008-04-23T01:17:18Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#f996454a-a503-43d8-8aab-48d4146a58f4 Ignoring uncomfortable things doesn't make them go away. I'm really sorry you just want cheerleadears instead of people with actual opinions and things. I guess you all can go back to your inane banter about nothing... Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:10:59 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#f996454a-a503-43d8-8aab-48d4146a58f4 Chicken 2008-04-23T01:10:59Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#bf20f718-b405-4bb1-bcfd-5e5aef8f36ef Oh and here is another good post about the DMV: http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/photos/7d7dce24-060d-428c-9f15-6feda674aaf9 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:31:47 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#bf20f718-b405-4bb1-bcfd-5e5aef8f36ef ~* Sundancer 2008-04-22T20:31:47Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#4bbb8356-334a-47c9-9058-ace8a65fd6b4 yeah... this dude makes me want to throw up. He's trying to get me to argue with him and I won't. And I guarantee you this thread will be here long after the cart is gone. And I am not really open to any inquiries on Tribe either. Maybe you want the thread deleted because you've stepped in your own shit CJ. I had two buyers who wanted to come this weekend and asked them NOT to come because I didn't want to put energy into prepping it and I had food poisoning. Probably from the food donated at a fundraiser for families of vets who've died in Iraq and Afgahnistan that I participated in this last weekend. This post is a shining example of our self appointed protector, so go ahead and keep your mouth open CJ. You've been throwing around so much shit, I'm surprised you aren't choking on it. Don't you have something better to do than pick on people? I'm just a little bummed that it derailed from being more about education for the DMV and the fabulous work of the HotWheelz camp. Frankly if this stupid derailment gives them more publicity than fantastic. If DMV or HotWheelz wants me to pull it , I will... but I sure won't do it for the stupid ass that deserves to have his face creamed in Chicken Shit. ...Geez ... I was PM'd by more than one person to completely ignore you last week. I guess that's what I will finally do. I'm no longer interested in your "show" John... It appears that I'm not alone. Also my health is none of your fucking business. Oh... and since it is a popular thread HotWheelz aka Big Dale aka Mr. Fixit is not on Tribe, but here is a good educational link from DaBomb: http://burncast.net/Show_Notes/Entries/2007/6/26_BURNcast_47_-_Mr._Fixit_and_the_Gift_of_Mobility.html And here's a good one for the DMV --> http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv (see photos for details) Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:20:29 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#4bbb8356-334a-47c9-9058-ace8a65fd6b4 ~* Sundancer 2008-04-22T20:20:29Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#7ccaafd9-5f2d-4abf-bb92-f57d8296f7cf if your fathers actions piss you off so much, why not sabotage his cart????????......... oh yeah....then you would'nt be able to use it yourself, you fucking hypocrite. Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:49:21 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#7ccaafd9-5f2d-4abf-bb92-f57d8296f7cf paul 2008-04-22T19:49:21Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#8f908547-0693-4c62-92d6-fdc7c61fde23 Who the fuck made you our protecter??? Holy Shit what would we do without Chicken to save us from ourselves?? If Chicken does not police us we will fall into the abyss of everything he does not want to be!! Was it so hard for your silly ass just to move on and let the thread drop?? YOU used this as an excuse to do your typical chicken john show and try to be a complete prick. GOOD JOB! YOU SUCCEEDED!!! Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:56:27 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#8f908547-0693-4c62-92d6-fdc7c61fde23 $item.owner.firstName 2008-04-22T18:56:27Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#6b2b3d2c-d5ce-45c1-863e-f625b7ee3307 The ADA is far worse then the war on terror or any other erosion of our liberties. The abuses that are snowballing are out of control. The people this serves vs. the people it destroys are tipped so far out of balance that the benifits are impossible to see. I know the arguement. I respect people who don't agree. But I can't remodel my house without comming to full compliance with 2008 ADA code. It's like an extra $150K. So if I ever sell it or have a guest over or what? 5 million dollar handicapped ramp at city hall adn they are laying off 5,000 people because of budget crisis. What fucking sense that makes I'll never know. I bet if they just *recomended* putting in the handicapped rails in the bathroom eveyrone would do it. I would. Just recomend making the doors biggger. No one hates people in wheelchairs. But we all hate lawyers... Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:20:37 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#6b2b3d2c-d5ce-45c1-863e-f625b7ee3307 Chicken 2008-04-22T18:20:37Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#9cc3bc8a-b692-4ec2-ad87-382ff5cc5c8e PENN & TELLER: BULLSHIT!: HANDICAP PARKING (TVMA - LD) (2003) In episode 507, Penn and Teller expose the widely abused nonsense that is "handicap parking" and illuminate the bureaucratic nightmare of the Americans with Disabilities Act by speaking to disabled Americans who think the ADA is pure BS. Was a good watch, I couldn't believe how easy it was for anyone to claim they were handicapped and get a placard. Not saying that there isn't a need just saying CJ isn't just pulling something out of thin air. Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:40:36 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#9cc3bc8a-b692-4ec2-ad87-382ff5cc5c8e Peter 2008-04-22T17:40:36Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#66c24f01-da35-4584-ac16-2cdd339568ef yea. I'm a total asshole. And everyone I know who has a handicapped plackard is a lyeing piece of shit. I *despise* that action. That we need handicapped plackards at all... that people will be so selfish as to abuse that system, which should be more or less sacred.... that at something like BM where we are supposed to be a fucntional community... I have 10 hour long arguements with my dad (Larry's lawyer) about John Laws' rights to the *idea* of BM... he explains to me the law. Then he goes and gets his golf cart registered as handicapped so he doesn't have to deal with DMV. And so do like 10 or 15 other people I know. It literally boils my blood. I'd love to have a golf cart at BM. And truth be told, I do borrow dads. So I'm just as bad or worse. People who have handicapped plackards, in my experience, are full of shit. I've yet to meet one that's not. That's my experience. Your mileage may vary. So check this out: I've taken your post about commerce and chose a topic to discuss within our community. This is now a community topic. Because your too spoiled to remove a post that you've admitted doesn't even belong here although you would have if you've have sold it but you didn't because your asking an astronomic price for it. Cause and effect. I'm trying annoy you and villanize you to delete this thread. That's my deal. That's who I am. I'm protecting people from you. It's what people like me do. You say I'm an asshole now, but if on this thread I busted someone for having a fake handicapped plackard, you'd buy me a drink. You don't like the negative things I'm saying because I'm saying them to you. If I flat out busted someone and you are handicapped or whatever PC way to say that... I'd be your hero. I'm feeding my own father to the lions here to make a point. Your not participating in the discussion, your just kinda hit and run. You can say i"m an asshole. It really doesn't bother me, I'm not trying to impress you. But you can't disagree with me. Getting a handicapped plackard when there is nothing wrong with you at BM is bathed in vileness. Right? Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:24:59 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#66c24f01-da35-4584-ac16-2cdd339568ef Chicken 2008-04-22T17:24:59Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#735a8fd3-5761-4573-b484-1b65f6cce639 "People who can't walk can't dance" Can you try a little harder to be a complete asshole? What do ONE of those activities on her list have to do with somebody walking??? Everything on her list(except speak fluent french) i have done in the last 20 years and I have been SCI since 1987. Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:36:40 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#735a8fd3-5761-4573-b484-1b65f6cce639 $item.owner.firstName 2008-04-21T20:36:40Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#4f8e43b9-0a0a-4656-9d15-cf0708e5b7e6 <<(And I used to have on my profile, full recovery from TBI.... ASSHOLE!)>> Playing Devil's Advocate, Sundancer, but it's not completely out of line for Chicken to have brought up the question. By your own admission, you neither mentioned handicapped status in your initial post nor made mention of it anywhere in your profile. I'm not saying it's your responsibility to trumpet it to the world, but it's not *that* far a reach for the question to have popped into anyone's brain. Congratulations on your full recovery, I guess. Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:38:43 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#4f8e43b9-0a0a-4656-9d15-cf0708e5b7e6 Anne 2008-04-21T19:38:43Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#9e955c0c-f6e9-43f8-8b2b-0b72aa5e0965 God John, you are really showing your color on how pathetic you can be. What a shame. I was trying to be nice. I don't choose to argue with you.... It seems to be your favorite activity. Go find another way to spend your time for the BENEFIT of the community. (And I used to have on my profile, full recovery from TBI.... ASSHOLE!) Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:15:38 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#9e955c0c-f6e9-43f8-8b2b-0b72aa5e0965 ~* Sundancer 2008-04-21T19:15:38Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#86169f3c-1354-4f82-b957-7fe301f05779 So I went to your profile. Sundancer. Your name is just a bunch of Q#$%#$&#% in the little box when you post. There are no photos of you. I don't remember meeting anyone named Sundancer. But it got me thinking: dancing. People who can't walk can't dance. Then, I noticed SCUBA diving and other stuff on your tribe thingy.... here it all is: Interested in gardening, kayaking and more sports of any kind this summer. In no particular order; hand drumming, dancing, making great food with friends, camping, creating anything (especially that challenges my skills or allows me to acquire new ones), fluent in French and love the culture, scuba diving, costuming, art and nature is all its shapes and colors, the tranquility and comfort of my creekside home, seeking eternal youth and profound wisdom, tendency to prefer being with an intimate group of friends in calm settings over large parties with big sound systems, traveling in my funky, comfy RV.. Dancing. Your interested in dancing. Me too. I like to dance. Didn't you say you had a handicapped plackard for your golf cart? I may be setting myself up here for an eviceration.... but can't people who can dance walk or ride a bike? Are you adn my dad and everyone else that I know who has a handicapped plackard at BM not embracing your hightest truth? Please slice me into little pieces now. Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:37:26 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#86169f3c-1354-4f82-b957-7fe301f05779 Chicken 2008-04-21T17:37:26Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#dbf4d60d-53b3-41f2-bfae-05e0713121c3 You may not relise this, but I have no idea who you are. You know me probably as well as my mother does. I'm easy. But all I know about you is what you've posted here. Here, in the tribe of people I protect. Although my actions would not have been different, I did not know that I had cooked you food in my home. No democratic selction of art? Nepotism and favoritism. Just like in the real world. MORE so then in the real world. DMV is a nessarsary regulator, sure. But it's just another example of a thousdand or more of an opportunity for community involement wasted. You'd pull this post if you'd have sold the cart. No? Prove it. Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:29:28 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#dbf4d60d-53b3-41f2-bfae-05e0713121c3 Chicken 2008-04-21T17:29:28Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#075d653d-b1f2-47a4-bea3-f9f4b59061ee No DMV = No Mutant Vehicles Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:15:10 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#075d653d-b1f2-47a4-bea3-f9f4b59061ee $item.owner.firstName 2008-04-21T16:15:10Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#d04e51bc-b733-4a25-8da3-9741fa2ded1c I don't care to respond to your comments. I wish you the best at finding something other than an argument. ...really I do. You are a decent cook and a fascinating person.... among your more amiable traits. Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:46:06 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#d04e51bc-b733-4a25-8da3-9741fa2ded1c ~* Sundancer 2008-04-21T07:46:06Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#b3f306fc-1eef-411f-8f05-a0ad44c392e9 This isn't my nasty side, although I do have one. You supported my bid for mayor for exactly what I'm doing here. But I was doing it to someone else. I wasn't trying to be mayor. I was trying to make a point. That our community is fragile and should be championed and protected. I think your post does a terrible job of that. And I'm saying so plainly. I don't dislike you. I just think you wrote a kinda snotty post and your using the community discussion tool for commerce so using the power that I have I turned this topic into something relevant for us to discuss. This is my attempt at leadership. No, I don't think it worked very well either. ."Long time contributors to the event such as Jim Mason, Chicken John, Dann Davis and Michael Christian benefit yearly due to the the dedication of a few for the benefit of many. " I have no idea what this bizzare sentence means but I personally have received very very little if no money from anything ever. I never really got a paycheck from BM, I've never been a funded artist (although my name has been used for it's celebrity) and I havn't made anything myself since '98 when I made the Wizard of Ass. Although I worked on a lot of stuff. In the last few years the only benifit I got was a good arguement. Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:56:46 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#b3f306fc-1eef-411f-8f05-a0ad44c392e9 Chicken 2008-04-21T05:56:46Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#867cb64d-03d4-46cb-8fb2-7b031c0473ed The volunteer hotties facilitate the mutant vehicle creator's ability to showcase their unique talents by fulfilling the BLM contract requirement for registration and documentation of Mutant Vehicles. http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/photos/85944748-b2ab-44b7-9667-0322a7bff1c7 Long time contributors to the event such as Jim Mason, Chicken John, Dann Davis and Michael Christian benefit yearly due to the the dedication of a few for the benefit of many. Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:44:06 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#867cb64d-03d4-46cb-8fb2-7b031c0473ed $item.owner.firstName 2008-04-20T23:44:06Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#84a9e9ca-0745-48c3-b5da-8a5e3186f8fe I stand by what I said. This Thread does more harm than good. Prove me wrong. I double dare Ya!! KK Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:42:38 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#84a9e9ca-0745-48c3-b5da-8a5e3186f8fe Kamikaze 2008-04-20T23:42:38Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#147ef0e6-7b25-43b9-a665-689fcef3ca92 We could always pull this and start a mr. fixit thread. Just saying. Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:58:21 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#147ef0e6-7b25-43b9-a665-689fcef3ca92 Crypto 2008-04-20T22:58:21Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#3cb9a13c-dfeb-45bf-845a-c1aa4d8853b3 Social network for some. Soap box for others. Lot's of eyes. Not a bad place to front some realities. What is the balance between mobile and static art at an event on public land with BLM restrictions on driving? http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/photos/9c599175-6bde-4e49-8221-859a03c6b77f Each and every year the Mutant Vehicle fleet improves. The creative inflation and cumulative efforts and commitments of many have come to overshadow the early efforts of a few. http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/photos/6d633e73-79bf-471b-ac6b-1b87d7de1b14 It is no small accomplishment to imagine, design and construct an exceptional Mutant Vehicle and it usually takes a well organized crew of resourceful and talented individuals with a considerable commitment of funds. Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:09:45 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#3cb9a13c-dfeb-45bf-845a-c1aa4d8853b3 $item.owner.firstName 2008-04-20T21:09:45Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#131a7875-7958-4a02-ab04-bd8cc4062831 no i won't pull the thread... seems like i'm pulling yours kk. ain't bm beautiful?..... neeener! neener! and don't expect that everyone knows about HotWheelz or DMV, just because they haven't visited in the last week or worked for DPW, like you or whatever. ...ok... i admit i am pretty done with the thread tho. what is new that hasn't already been said? and if you are selling crystals, dirty underwear, noah's ark for misfits and such, please see the other threads... they are much better reading if you want to be entertained. Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:48:20 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#131a7875-7958-4a02-ab04-bd8cc4062831 ~* Sundancer 2008-04-20T19:48:20Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#1242bbf4-b679-4c17-a187-a42cfb3aa111 Sweet bleeding jesus christ on a stick. Just pull the Thread. Those that know Fixit, know Fixit. Those that know DMV, know DMV. Those that have years of experience with the ORG, know the ORG. This Thread lost it's use 56, no...57 posts ago! KK Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:15:57 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#1242bbf4-b679-4c17-a187-a42cfb3aa111 Kamikaze 2008-04-20T19:15:57Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#97f7aefe-1d88-4c48-9f7c-3174c840b64a Online Mutant Vehicle pre-registration is required. This includes reading and understanding all information about Mutant Vehicles on the playa, and filling out the online form. If you do not pre-register your Mutant Vehicle, you will not be eligible for a Mutant Vehicle license. Pre-registration begins on February 15th and ends on June 30. We've given you a lot to think about when filling out the pre-registration form. You will be asked to include a photo or sketch of your vehicle, the safety considerations you are making, detailed information about the vehicle, and your intent in bringing this vehicle to Burning Man. You'll also be asked to agree in advance to honor BRC driving protocols. http://burningman.com/on_the_playa/playa_vehicles/dmv.html Typically a response is given within a month of submission. That can change based on the complexity or requirement for a broader review and consensus of multiple volunteer Hotties. Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:43:14 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#97f7aefe-1d88-4c48-9f7c-3174c840b64a $item.owner.firstName 2008-04-20T18:43:14Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#769d11e1-63c7-4552-9d87-3221862d1f1d That one is wrong on several levels. Treehugger? Please... 1) environmentally wrong vehicle 2) too recognizable 3) no artistic comment from me 4) what is it "supposed to be"? (my best guess is a big ass saw) 5) i feel bad for the person that put time and resources in this I'm curious Red.... some of these projects take a good part of a year to create and lots of resources. How EARLY can one get a preliminary approval on these projects? Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:22:48 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#769d11e1-63c7-4552-9d87-3221862d1f1d ~* Sundancer 2008-04-20T18:22:48Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#4aacba41-7f0a-4a31-951f-9ba435db7fa1 The DMV doesn't fashion poorly executed Mutant Vehicles that make a minimal contribution. Event attendants who value their personal conveyance over community contribution do. It's up to the creator to understand that base vehicle recognition spoils the surreal and whimsical overall appearance of a mutant vehicle on the playa. http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/photos/e984c4ae-0ffa-417c-a014-885083cf74f6 DMV volunteers are not in a position to asses disabled qualifications beyond a placard or certification of disability. If driving a vehicle at the event is the primary goal, then loopholes are abundant. Place the blame on the driver, not the DMV. Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:02:46 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#4aacba41-7f0a-4a31-951f-9ba435db7fa1 $item.owner.firstName 2008-04-20T18:02:46Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#d2130b9b-83c4-446c-9cf2-6f0b3d41623d Sheesh what is with all the post nazis on this thread?? She posted something for sale she didn't attack anybody. Is it really so damn hard to skip threads you don't want to read?? She has been attacked on every level from not decorating her cart enough to somehow corrupting this entire tribe. In many ways her post has become one of the most on topic threads in here and she is still being attacked for it. Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:30:26 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#d2130b9b-83c4-446c-9cf2-6f0b3d41623d $item.owner.firstName 2008-04-20T17:30:26Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#ee97cf6a-305a-4f0f-8ae3-2eb66d79f568 "This belongs in the Playa Trading Post tribe, not here." I know that now... but it's too late. Sorry. I've never sold anything on Tribe before, so lesson learned. As mentioned earlier, I keep the thread the because of the value for the DMV and Mr. Fixit. Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:12:45 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#ee97cf6a-305a-4f0f-8ae3-2eb66d79f568 ~* Sundancer 2008-04-20T17:12:45Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#042c74d0-398e-468a-8219-9292de96e371 Thank you Crypto. That was a succinct way of putting it. I scratch my head and wondered why I wasted my money contributing to him running for mayor. I guess I don't know him as well as I do now. He has revealed a very nasty side of himself. And not that I care anymore what anyone thinks about the price or desirability of the cart. The person that helped with the modification of this cart and two others that I have worked on is the president of the auto electric association. He knows more about electric cars than 99%+ of the population and I feel lucky to call him a friend on many levels. I asked for his opinion on price and he says, for its condition, it's about right. ...As for his other comments why bother to respond? I would consider deleting the thread but I think it has value in discussing the DMV and HotWheelz camp. Both of which provide outstanding service to the community... on a VOLUNTEER basis. (I'd change the title maybe if I could, but hell, maybe it helps give the damn thing traction.) Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:10:43 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#042c74d0-398e-468a-8219-9292de96e371 ~* Sundancer 2008-04-20T17:10:43Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#43804f47-e557-43a2-85d8-a7bf386ba310 This belongs in the Playa Trading Post tribe, not here. Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:12:42 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#43804f47-e557-43a2-85d8-a7bf386ba310 Playa Mama & 2008-04-20T16:12:42Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#ca672f28-51d2-4129-95a6-82ef31970c6f I wouldn't worry about trying to change Chicken John's mind, Red. He has his opinions and his experience and it a classic "Burning Man has Gone to Pot" attitude, yet won't leave the sidelines. Nothing you do will ever be good enough for him, and I doubt he'll ever attend the event again. If you're just putting out your side of the story then forgive this damn advice. Sun, 20 Apr 2008 06:04:33 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#ca672f28-51d2-4129-95a6-82ef31970c6f Crypto 2008-04-20T06:04:33Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#321ad49f-caca-45ae-aff7-954c96b65813 Thanks for the lesson, dad. But what I say is true and eveyrone knows it. And it's not bad. It's just the way it is. It's not terrible. It's just not the way I would do it. Not the way people who were interested in community involvlement would do it. Not the way people who have watched other arts orginazations fail lwould do it. It's the way it's done though. Yup. Sure it. That's how they do it. I gaurentee you that they don't want my help. I've mutated 100 cars. At least. Drove them across the country for years. Shows, parades, won the Art Car parade in 1997 in Houston, did a Frozen Bug ice cream truck in Death Valley for a while... I'm no strange to the art car or the process. DMV does not operate on community consensus. That is an assenine statement. My dad has a handicapped golf cart. There is simply nothing wrong with him at all. Nothing. But since it's not really that "arty", he went that route. So that is a fact. I'd tell you about 10 more, but then they'd all be pissed at me. Then I know people who have done ground up mods... only to have DMV tell them that they simply didn't like it. Tuff shit. Sucks. Top to bottom. Democratic selection of art is the only answer to fix any and all of the problems. Anything else is just a boring, trite waste of time becaue Nepotism adn favoritizm will be the law of the land. Exactly how it is right now. just like handicapped plackards in the real world are a fucking joke it's the same in BRC. Anyone who can cheat, will. Does. And the mechanism to stop it? There isn't one. The answer? Give everyone a chance to vote on who is what and where and why. Remove people's '"rights"... they are just all abused. Don't agree with me or don't like what I'm saying? Congradulations. You've won the arguement. These ideas will never be put in motion. So you can continue to be on the winning team. Sun, 20 Apr 2008 04:31:57 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#321ad49f-caca-45ae-aff7-954c96b65813 Chicken 2008-04-20T04:31:57Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#7b5797b7-dea8-4a8f-84ec-1c489e3edd5e >>"fucking someone" is a very long shot for getting a license. How about putting your effort into the vehicle's mutation instead. i always go for the "long shot". it's way more fun, and at least, wheeee!!! you get off!! Sun, 20 Apr 2008 04:27:48 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#7b5797b7-dea8-4a8f-84ec-1c489e3edd5e Sockrates 2008-04-20T04:27:48Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#f5b8cef6-64f0-4cc3-8d4e-33c7af7e96be If you think the DMV is not doing its job well, you are welcome to get involved, come learn the complexities and realities of the what we do and must deal with, and see if you can make a positive influence towards what you think would be better. The DMV operates on community consensus, with a large percentage of volunteer Hotties originating from the mutant and art car community. http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/photos/21eea126-2e9c-4775-8bbd-b94f7466e699 "fucking someone" is a very long shot for getting a license. How about putting your effort into the vehicle's mutation instead. Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:45:17 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#f5b8cef6-64f0-4cc3-8d4e-33c7af7e96be $item.owner.firstName 2008-04-20T03:45:17Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#9f2585b2-bee9-433e-950a-03b3b82decbb Unless your fucking someone at the DMV, and then you can get a new permit every year for the same old piece of shit with a different paint job or whatever because the system is corrupt and you can't vote on which cars get the permit. Corrupt. Just like every other system where one person doesn't get one vote. I'd cite an example, but 95% of the cars out there are an example. Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:29:57 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#9f2585b2-bee9-433e-950a-03b3b82decbb Chicken 2008-04-20T03:29:57Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#df544659-ddf4-44d1-bd0c-834d62bd0957 A highly regarded Mutant Vehicle is a frame up construction that combines engineering with artistic imagery and represent a substantial investment of time in creation. http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/photos/ec951347-1b3d-4fe8-8a7f-8ea552b6a780 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:16:09 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#df544659-ddf4-44d1-bd0c-834d62bd0957 $item.owner.firstName 2008-04-20T03:16:09Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#8d5ddc28-03a3-4218-9d16-ff2fbb9808d5 Hot Wheelz loans carts to anybody with a mobility disability. You do not have to be SCI. I am SCI and would be pissed if that was a criteria to get a loaner from that camp. There are a whole slew of injuries and conditions that are in just as much need as an SCI. Sun, 20 Apr 2008 02:14:09 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#8d5ddc28-03a3-4218-9d16-ff2fbb9808d5 $item.owner.firstName 2008-04-20T02:14:09Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#b1bce41f-13d5-49b4-8bef-1f2c9c55be8a here is a link to a perfect golf cart with solar power that is it tip top perfect shape with a cover and a $300 charger that is one owner and has less than 100 hours on it asking $2,000 but will take $1,500. Yours is junk compared to this. Your golf cart is worth $500. I do this all day every day. I know how much a golf cart is worth. That doesn't mean that you can't take advantage of someone and they'll pay it because they don't know but they will now if they read this: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/for/644854197.html here is another perfect one for $1,950 http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/rvs/640890790.html Here is one for $1,100 with new batteries and tires: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/rvs/641396521.html here is a street legal electirc CAR for $4,300 (they'll take much less) http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/car/642845197.html The wiring to accomodate solar is worth $50 or so. The panels are for sale for $120. I just don't like commerce around this tribe. I don't know if anyone agrees with me, and I don't care. If you posted your cart for sale to the community at like, less then the appropriate price, I would't mind. But your not. In my opinion your gouging. Anyone who pays you $1,700 for your golf cart is making an error. You can buy them for $500. You'll sell yours to someone like me for $500. I buy golf carts. Sometimes just for the battery's and we junk the rest. Most carts have 6 $120 batteries. the motors are valuable to robot and machine art guys. SRL is basicly built with golf cart motors. I dunno. I just found your post annoying. Sun, 20 Apr 2008 00:59:50 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#b1bce41f-13d5-49b4-8bef-1f2c9c55be8a Chicken 2008-04-20T00:59:50Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#5f1c3aaa-7c39-4be2-acfe-4952f568bd8a "At $1700 it's a deal in real world terms (at the least). " I think so. One of the potential buyers is coming from Sonoma to look at. They like the idea that the wiring has been altered to accommodate solar powered charging. And that the lights are LED which conserves battery. I'm sooo not worried about selling it at that price. Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:16:21 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#5f1c3aaa-7c39-4be2-acfe-4952f568bd8a ~* Sundancer 2008-04-19T22:16:21Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#6487c4a5-ff43-4acb-8f39-1726317523a9 Broad interpretations, based on liberally defined parameters allow for Mutant Vehicle creations of varying community contribution and interest. The DMV's primary considerations based on the BRC Supplementary Rules are that they exhibit one or all features of being highly participatory, visually stimulating, and whimsically beautiful or surreal contribution to Black Rock City. Freedom in rules and definitions allow for exceptions to tow vehicle / base vehicle recognition. http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/photos/662e971b-527a-41ca-b3ae-de9ccae7f588 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:17:07 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#6487c4a5-ff43-4acb-8f39-1726317523a9 $item.owner.firstName 2008-04-19T06:17:07Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#16193487-89a0-4195-b6a2-a9761fe6a504 For disabled transport I gotta say it flat out rocks, especially considering we don't even require disabled vehicles to be even decorated (much less altered). At $1700 it's a deal in real world terms (at the least). Your buyers would pretty much need to be disabled and able to prove it too though as actual mutant vehicles are by nature altered from production condition and this appears to be very nice but still production condition (probably not the correct words but you know what I mean). Sas Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:47:13 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#16193487-89a0-4195-b6a2-a9761fe6a504 Sasquatch 2008-04-19T05:47:13Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#7c267770-ac8f-4ae3-b52f-5d4a32bfb0b2 You are doing a great job communicating what the DMV is about. Thanks for your contributions. I enjoyed reading them. ...That ant.... OMG! I had no idea they could pick up stuff too. This is why I come to the playa. I have community at home.... but the art.... oh geez... I swear I'm dreaming sometimes. Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:37:39 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#7c267770-ac8f-4ae3-b52f-5d4a32bfb0b2 ~* Sundancer 2008-04-19T03:37:39Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#38ef6424-6523-47a9-87dc-8b607378f0ef "degenerate into the commerce filled mess that so many free spaces on the internet have......" Oh, please. It's a burner selling a playafied golf cart. Give her a fucking break. CL is a good resource, so is Ebay. AND this tribe, and tribe in general. Well, maybe not this tribe. It seems useless to actually communicate with anyone here. Everyone has a stick up their ass about something. Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:08:06 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#38ef6424-6523-47a9-87dc-8b607378f0ef TomCat 2008-04-19T00:08:06Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#68a000da-3036-4433-bdf1-fb901b3ee228 A small but visible percentage of Black Rock City’s population participates by becoming part of the Mutant Vehicle community. With over 40,000 people and 500 MVs, the motorized few are in a position to affect the experiences of many. http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/photos/37b2d5f6-1de4-4324-85a6-6c402ffab492 In 2007 around 300 static art pieces were outnumbered by 500 mutant vehicles at what is primarily a bike and pedestrian event. Exceptional mutant vehicles defy replication and have few venues for display outside the playa, with many representing originality in singular form and function. http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/photos/17a3fad7-382f-4ff7-aed0-5fed7d5e80fa Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:09:11 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#68a000da-3036-4433-bdf1-fb901b3ee228 $item.owner.firstName 2008-04-19T00:09:11Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#6280735f-15be-4a9a-9eaa-9753b50800b0 Your right, asking people to abide by the TOU probably is pointless. But i gotta disagree with ignoring threads like this. I dont want to see this tribe degenerate into the commerce filled mess that so many free spaces on the internet have. So I have made it my policy to respond to any such posting with a maximum level snark, in order to encourage the poster to pull the thread and to discourage others from doing the same thing. Damn I got so flustered while ranting my powdered wig fell off, and I just broke my last monocale so I cant find it in the dark. Harumph! Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:35:50 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#6280735f-15be-4a9a-9eaa-9753b50800b0 ty 2008-04-18T23:35:50Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#6f7173b4-29a6-4fa8-9e3d-36a7370ed9b3 Ty, You misunderstand me, sir. The dandy fops are a proud group. A respectable group. And I believe you are the very best of this group (on tribe) currently. "Asking people to abide by the TOU makes me a dandy? " Of course not. Your manner makes you such. It's a high compliment, sir. But while we're on the subject, asking people to abide to the TOU is almost entirely pointless on this tribe. Simply ignore a thread if it so offends you, that's the best way to make it go away. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:21:26 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#6f7173b4-29a6-4fa8-9e3d-36a7370ed9b3 Duke of Argyll 2008-04-18T23:21:26Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#e2dc559e-475d-44f2-9671-810ab2fc319f "Ty, Currently, on tribe, you are the very best dandy fop" So wanting people to respect this tribe by not trying to sell their crap to us makes me a fop? Asking people to abide by the TOU makes me a dandy? and by "very best" do you mean I am the worst of the group of dandy fops or that I am the best one out of a group of horrible dandy fops? At least you got one thing right I am most definetly a "the". Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:13:53 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#e2dc559e-475d-44f2-9671-810ab2fc319f ty 2008-04-18T23:13:53Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#fc011ddf-4ef3-4911-a259-79c782a6865b I appreciate your comment Anne and agree with you. I didn't put alot of thought into the ad that I wrote in all of about a minute and put on Tribe and Craigslist. There is a difference between listings and postings. I just never used the former ever and I've been on Tribe for a long time.... Old habits die hard. I suppose if I had ever sold something here before it might have occurred to me. It's cool the little press Mr. Fixit is getting off this.... He deserves it. ....Frankly unless somehow it goes to him, I don't see a Burner from this Tribe buying it anyhow. ....And I hope to the heavens above my chakras aren't aligned with some of these people's anuses here or I am so going to hell. ....And they aren't for sale either Chicken Butt. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:05:47 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#fc011ddf-4ef3-4911-a259-79c782a6865b ~* Sundancer 2008-04-18T23:05:47Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#1e3f097c-a54f-4ed5-94cd-955374ce419b Ty, Currently, on tribe, you are the very best dandy fop. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:56:23 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#1e3f097c-a54f-4ed5-94cd-955374ce419b Duke of Argyll 2008-04-18T22:56:23Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#6e0a9d5e-14c1-489d-89a7-1776b681c12f >>Read the post and the rules. It had handicapped status. Dumb ass. << Correct me if I'm wrong, but I re-read the initial post, and I found no mention of any handicapped status. But even if there had been, would that somehow make it acceptable to list something for sale in Topics? I don't understand why, if people DO want to list something for sale, they can't simply post it under "Listings". Just sayin'. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:17:50 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#6e0a9d5e-14c1-489d-89a7-1776b681c12f Anne 2008-04-18T22:17:50Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#5353d23a-bec8-4e42-ae23-c160ad51cb0c "Read the post and the rules. It had handicapped status. Dumb ass. " Ummm I dont think I made any kind of comment about its disabled status. I was commenting on the fact that it is incredibly lame to try to sell stuff on this Tribe, even if it is burner related. If everyone who wanted to sell something related to Burning Man put it up here this tribe would be nothing but classified adds. I will admit the comment about the value of art was rather rude, and entirely based on my subjective opinion. But I find people treating our tribe as a classified site rude so I really dont feel to bad about it. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:10:39 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#5353d23a-bec8-4e42-ae23-c160ad51cb0c ty 2008-04-18T22:10:39Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#25bbfeff-d2b9-40c6-b156-6f45a9fc270e do you have any boats? Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:05:31 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#25bbfeff-d2b9-40c6-b156-6f45a9fc270e simon 2008-04-18T22:05:31Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#d43c0733-ba49-4b44-b6e0-10415f7db96f Ay, yo, what the hellz a dandy fop, son?!!! Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:00:29 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#d43c0733-ba49-4b44-b6e0-10415f7db96f DMX 2008-04-18T22:00:29Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#504f6c4f-bb06-4cf8-a5bc-c9fba24bc8b3 As long as we are being topical here... My newest and most favoritest and bestest Tee-Shirt that I will be wearing to the only Burn I plan on making this year (Interfuse) ((the MidWest Burn, Silly!)) was made for me by the Cooks at Dreamtime in Colorado last year. The festival is 'Hippy heavy'. They weren't. After seeing me bark at the crew for a week or so, they made a T for me. "My Chakra's are aligned with Uranus" I don't know why I felt compelled to share that, but I did. Deal with it. KK Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:31:52 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#504f6c4f-bb06-4cf8-a5bc-c9fba24bc8b3 Kamikaze 2008-04-18T21:31:52Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#8be2b73f-f19b-43db-ac8a-3bbfc860ab8b ah well neither have been to the burn before, so not the same people though. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:37:55 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#8be2b73f-f19b-43db-ac8a-3bbfc860ab8b Snowlover 2008-04-18T20:37:55Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#0595b42f-f1b6-43b8-864a-147d87e4f02a this is Hot Wheelz camp, the leader of which is Dale or (playa name) Mr. Fixit. Mr. Jellyfish Mr. did a podcast interview with him last year, but I can't remember where the podcast is on the web. It's the same one Da Bomb does. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:17:13 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#0595b42f-f1b6-43b8-864a-147d87e4f02a Crypto 2008-04-18T20:17:13Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#8fd5bac2-8272-4fb5-a5d5-e48c8e2b161d they both live in Reno Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:44:58 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#8fd5bac2-8272-4fb5-a5d5-e48c8e2b161d Snowlover 2008-04-18T19:44:58Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#63714523-780e-4455-b195-bf84f066e12d strangely I know a hotwheelz who is in a chair and his father (who is a VERY VERY charitable person) is named Dale. I maintain a tracked vehicle for hotwheelz that we have turned into a tank for paintball. Although he does play in his chair as well. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:40:09 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#63714523-780e-4455-b195-bf84f066e12d Snowlover 2008-04-18T19:40:09Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#e51154c6-3328-4de6-8974-ab8209d31193 Personally, I'm selling my chakras. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:38:30 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#e51154c6-3328-4de6-8974-ab8209d31193 Crypto 2008-04-18T19:38:30Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#474d9e99-c045-438f-be38-04918dc010f6 Mr. Fixit is HotWheelz. I haven't heard if he maintains two residences. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:37:59 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#474d9e99-c045-438f-be38-04918dc010f6 Crypto 2008-04-18T19:37:59Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#8d66eb50-9d53-4930-ae71-be919f88883e hmmm does mr fixit (dale) live in reno, as well as hot wheelz? Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:16:04 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#8d66eb50-9d53-4930-ae71-be919f88883e Snowlover 2008-04-18T19:16:04Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#c3cb5b70-67dc-45a3-8d43-2b33c612cf07 I know at least 6 people (including my dad) who has a disabled status golf cart that can kick my ass at tennis. I actually could qualify for handicapped twice! If you're good looking and have good phone skillz, you get a DMV pass. Or if your handicapped. Or if you lie. Although I'm not an art critic, golf carts are generally worth $500. Yours has been to BRC. So it's probably worth less. Unless you totally tore it apart and cleaned it, the alkylid corrossion is eating the electronics at thins moment. Your batteries will likely only charge to 85% and the regulator is likely totally corroded. Silt gets in all those cheap wheel bearings. Just because there isn't another golf cart for sale on Craigslist this week doesn't mean you've got a corner on the market. I find it annoying that you are using this tribe to sell your chakas. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:50:47 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#c3cb5b70-67dc-45a3-8d43-2b33c612cf07 Chicken 2008-04-18T18:50:47Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#d896c124-59e0-4dea-8142-a2c9b1f660d6 SCI is certainly a horrible condition for sure. However, I never heard him say that, but it certainly changes absolutely nothing about how awesome I think he is or how willing I am to contribute to what he does. I'm pretty damned busy ...but maybe I'll try reaching him tonight. ..off to work. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:46:30 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#d896c124-59e0-4dea-8142-a2c9b1f660d6 ~* Sundancer 2008-04-18T14:46:30Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#1d159128-d4a4-438d-b412-0d643bb2f225 Mr. Fixit loans golf carts to people with spinal cord injury (or SCI as it is sometimes abbreviated), that is, not to all disabled people. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:37:54 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#1d159128-d4a4-438d-b412-0d643bb2f225 Saffron 2008-04-18T07:37:54Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#6e2ccde9-c463-4fcb-bca2-884d0bcb1f3c Good question.... just thinking of him and you too. I cannot even begin to think of donating my vehicle. I am selling it because I need the cash. I offer it here not because I can't sell it on Craiglist, but would like to offer a Burner a shot at it. So yes... Mr. Fixit.. what to do? If the community wants to donate money to this golf cart, he is the only person I would discount it to for use in his camp. ...Just an idea. Got a buyer coming to look at it Saturday, so we don't have lots of time. ....And for those of you that don't know what Mr. Fixit (Dale I believe) does, he loans wheelchairs and golf carts to disabled people to enjoy the playa for a couple hours a day. Lots of disabled people don't have the ability to bring/afford such a luxury. He's a wonderful guy with a big heart who makes a big difference for a lot of people. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:45:53 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#6e2ccde9-c463-4fcb-bca2-884d0bcb1f3c ~* Sundancer 2008-04-18T03:45:53Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#8d6869a7-1d13-4eda-b077-258026e9437c Speaking of Hot Wheelz, is there anything we can do to support Mr. Fixit? Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:37:09 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#8d6869a7-1d13-4eda-b077-258026e9437c Crypto 2008-04-18T03:37:09Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#c3d2e7ac-0083-44fc-8c1e-38b34bf4247a I agree with you Red. I really liked Twitch Taxi and there's also that big skull like thing that has hand controls. Hot Wheels Camp rocks! Unfortunately, what I did with my cart was the best I could do... And I've done much better art cars before my accident. I am grateful that I was accepted and was able to enjoy BM. Without it, I would not have gone. It was still challenging for me... and having this golf cart made a huge difference in my experience. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:34:07 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#c3d2e7ac-0083-44fc-8c1e-38b34bf4247a ~* Sundancer 2008-04-18T03:34:07Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#6af2c65d-e146-4c4c-b0fe-ea8f36c36fb1 Disabled vehicles do not require mutation, but the DMV applauds the efforts of applicants who get in the spirit of mutating their ride. http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/photos/7f0ecad2-04c2-4288-b378-442d094205d1 Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:19:38 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#6af2c65d-e146-4c4c-b0fe-ea8f36c36fb1 $item.owner.firstName 2008-04-18T03:19:38Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#0c4701c7-2199-495d-a41c-ac4056c20273 I would say fuck you too... 2 friend Ty and I doubt I'd be alone on that sentiment. ...like you are. Read the post and the rules. It had handicapped status. Dumb ass. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:15:09 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#0c4701c7-2199-495d-a41c-ac4056c20273 ~* Sundancer 2008-04-18T03:15:09Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#a7e2b0c7-8fe3-4fff-971b-6cae820388ed Ty, You are currently the very best Dandy Fop on tribe. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:01:41 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#a7e2b0c7-8fe3-4fff-971b-6cae820388ed Duke of Argyll 2008-04-18T03:01:41Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#ff7031c6-4d8e-4b25-a84a-8b3cffd1b5d7 Wow this has to be one of the lamest posts I've seen. Not only are you using a non-commercial forum to sell your crap, but your crap SUCKS. That golf cart has to be the weakest excuse for an art car that I have ever seen, where did you get such a pretentiously ugly piece of shit. If MTV were to make an art car on Pimp my Ride thats what it would look like. So fuck your day. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:43:02 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#ff7031c6-4d8e-4b25-a84a-8b3cffd1b5d7 ty 2008-04-18T02:43:02Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#49141eb9-c4cc-4545-892c-83851d6de320 ""not if you're disabled..........."" "Even then, DMV is an equal opportunity fucker!" Absolutely.... be sure to apply early and often.... Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:26:44 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#49141eb9-c4cc-4545-892c-83851d6de320 ~* Sundancer 2008-04-18T01:26:44Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#dc589cdb-c9b2-407e-853f-ba52621a4e24 Why insult people...? As a disabled status this was the best I could do and was grateful for their understanding. I don't need to name names, but believe me there was a reason for this getting disabled status. And Chicken go pick your nose or another campaign contributor. And good luck finding your new electric golf cart for $2500... oh and be sure to tell everyone else where, so they can line up for it. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:25:07 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#dc589cdb-c9b2-407e-853f-ba52621a4e24 ~* Sundancer 2008-04-18T01:25:07Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#4476d6b5-a82b-46e6-8da6-4f82ff868867 Fucking is nice, but so subjective to taste. How about just creating something extraordinary and blowing the DMV Hotties minds, and not their organs. http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/photos/dbd0137a-9b20-40c1-875f-c63259e4fc16 Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:36:50 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#4476d6b5-a82b-46e6-8da6-4f82ff868867 $item.owner.firstName 2008-04-17T23:36:50Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#91fba8ee-ddb5-44f4-b935-92ed64ec4cf4 "not if you're disabled..........." Even then, DMV is an equal opportunity fucker! Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:48:54 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#91fba8ee-ddb5-44f4-b935-92ed64ec4cf4 Lonestoner 2008-04-17T17:48:54Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#98f3c2bc-e211-4f93-ac95-7a3f95122a37 <And you have to have sex with someone at DMV to drive it at BM.> not if you're disabled........... Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:32:01 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#98f3c2bc-e211-4f93-ac95-7a3f95122a37 paul 2008-04-16T22:32:01Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#7399b355-f218-40d7-8ba6-891f4a37ac9a I'll give you $2,300 and that's my final offer!!!!!! Your fucking wacky. For $2500 you can get an electric CAR!!!! Your golfcart is worth, as you said, $500. And you have to have sex with someone at DMV to drive it at BM. Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:53:09 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#7399b355-f218-40d7-8ba6-891f4a37ac9a Chicken 2008-04-16T05:53:09Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#68b4b622-c628-4f01-a44e-bb1bdc14ab66 Golf cart recognition increasingly leads to Department of Mutant Vehicle rejections as years pass http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/photos/8bf88064-1e21-4d22-8a57-b39787e76302 Take a look through the album for an incomplete history of vehicles at Black Rock City, the DMV, art cars and mutant vehicles http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/photos/d06420a9-7738-4ef7-9e4a-ad2fba74fbcc Wed, 16 Apr 2008 04:53:18 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#68b4b622-c628-4f01-a44e-bb1bdc14ab66 $item.owner.firstName 2008-04-16T04:53:18Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#53a0c911-f82a-4080-a60b-1559d630823e Sorry, I changed my mind after reviewing Craigslist. There's nothing like this.... I'm asking $1700 and am prepared to sit on it until someone comes along that will appreciate what has been put into this sweet little ride. Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:14:51 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#53a0c911-f82a-4080-a60b-1559d630823e ~* Sundancer 2008-04-16T03:14:51Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#c9387379-a8b9-4c04-a9da-233dc93bee61 The first person with $1300 gets a fully functional, playafied golf cart with art. It's all electric, so it is very quiet. It is wired so that if you want to charge it with solar you can. It's got switches added to the dash that light up and handle some extra 12v goodies. It has custom led headlights and led ambient lights that change color inside on the roof. It has locking trunk, which can serve as extra seating... or strap on a cooler. There is a light in the trunk. It has an optional roof with an optional back windscreen. I attached a black light on top and used it as a message board that I could change on a whim. It also has a spare tire so you don't waste your vacation dealing with a flat! What else.... oh pull out cup holders. And there are bellydancer jingles for the fabric I throw on the roof. It sounds fabulous! If you get lucky you might find one for $500 less, but expect potential issues with batteries or a charger.... and certainly will not have functional custom work. Not going to accept less, particularly due to the custom work, because then I'd rather keep it! God... I'm so on the fence on this... but I guess I'd rather take the cash and wait to do something again in 2009. ......It was soo fun whizzing out to the perimeter on a whim at 4am.... See my profile for pictures. Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:20:39 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/73cc7db0-4653-4763-ac4f-dd985c59a87f#c9387379-a8b9-4c04-a9da-233dc93bee61 ~* Sundancer 2008-04-16T02:20:39Z