http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#2f9cf09d-2fa9-407f-9f13-81e78e656725 very funny Purple :) Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:50:58 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#2f9cf09d-2fa9-407f-9f13-81e78e656725 Regyna 2007-12-04T01:50:58Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#bb11ab4d-b0e9-48e3-8a92-8e3a2cf890e2 Hey, Regyna, I'll pay and you can use it on the days that I don't. Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:37:00 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#bb11ab4d-b0e9-48e3-8a92-8e3a2cf890e2 Bugjon 2007-11-27T00:37:00Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#413422d6-9429-4ba7-bdd5-4731fc9e8e8b From the company blog, posted today by Darren. ******************************** Announcement Delayed We're going to put out an announcement about the future of tribe.net in the next day or so. I was hoping to do it first thing this morning, but I have been working on some codebase changes that I wanted to announce and they aren't quite done with testing yet. Be patient, it's probably less than a day a away. Sing that song from Annie! Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:00:09 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#413422d6-9429-4ba7-bdd5-4731fc9e8e8b Bobzilla 2007-11-26T20:00:09Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#9be3e79b-9eb1-4ec7-bbbc-4dd0f667ae00 Hmmmm.... >prissy volenteer editors< Argh, I'm mortally wounded; skewered by your rapier wit. Actually, the Jimmy Stewart thing was more or less tongue-in-cheek. It never occurred to me that I would be hearing the clique-ity-clique of hoof beats that ensued. How does that secret handshake go again? In any case, five bucks a month, or even ten, seems a reasonable price to pay for the tribe alternative. Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:50:54 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#9be3e79b-9eb1-4ec7-bbbc-4dd0f667ae00 Gobo Joe 2007-11-21T03:50:54Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#f822d48c-0c7e-401b-ab27-09ea2698ed6b "I'm hoping my $60 a year will give me the option of being on a "don't send me fundraiser info" list. " I concur. I don't know how many charities send me what amounts to junk mail because I've donated to charities. Blaugh. I have enough fundraisers to attend right now, for friends and causes that are usually supported by fundraisers. What's wrong with treating this business like a business? Sure, it’s a business we really, really like, but if you put them in a position where their business model is passing that hat, how's that going to keep them afloat in the long run? Besides, I have lots and lots of parties in my life, and only one Tribe. Why make them fight for what's already a pie being sliced many ways? Wed, 21 Nov 2007 02:03:59 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#f822d48c-0c7e-401b-ab27-09ea2698ed6b MdJGutie 2007-11-21T02:03:59Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#0e5835c2-8d57-4113-af1b-66a75f2376a1 I'm hoping my $60 a year will give me the option of being on a "don't send me fundraiser info" list. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:33:58 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#0e5835c2-8d57-4113-af1b-66a75f2376a1 Crypto 2007-11-20T22:33:58Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#fa5ee7eb-4468-4318-ad14-e311b7b69eef Who said the fund raiser had to be one time? I think if everyone in tribe got a message from tribe itself informing them of the fundraiser(s) and why it is being thrown (so that people can still use tribe) im sure you'd get many positive responses, as this thread proves. Many tribe users are SF based, but i'm sure that an LA fund raiser could be held as well. Who knows, should they take off well enough, tribe parties might get a rep going. I guess the reason im such and advocate of the party idea is because Im a party thrower/goer myself. (i perfer saying that over the distasteful wording of "promoter") Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:46:31 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#fa5ee7eb-4468-4318-ad14-e311b7b69eef Sa)'(nt 2007-11-20T21:46:31Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#5ef659d2-4736-4fcd-ba4e-28c3fdd6e455 Not to throw cold water on any of your ideas but all of these have already been discussed with the powers that be at tribe. A one time fundraiser isn't enough. They need regular income, an additional 70K a year, every year. They don't have the cash to pay any contractors and the two people who work at Tribe full time have their hands full. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:30:13 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#5ef659d2-4736-4fcd-ba4e-28c3fdd6e455 Bobzilla 2007-11-20T20:30:13Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#b5984b3a-93bc-40ec-8b6a-aacc502df3d7 No reason not to do that too! Talk to Mark. You Bay Area Peeps should be able to throw a kick ass party/fundraiser...right?! KK Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:10:53 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#b5984b3a-93bc-40ec-8b6a-aacc502df3d7 Kamikaze 2007-11-20T20:10:53Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#95efe17b-c35e-468c-933b-6d2ebb91af79 Time for my suggestions. Yeah maybe a paypal account and even possibly *gasp* an actual fund raiser? I'm talkin real party, real sound systems, real dj's.. all whom would volunteer it for free to create the event. Might help with some woe's of the finances. Alternatively, Tribe has HUGE techno geek tribes. Why not post these sorrows in those tribes. Someone might be willing to provide external support here and there.. of course there should be some type of application and reviewing process for these people. I understand the need for an organizer to be in place to keep things organized.. but this does not mean they have to be full time. Contract work for people is easily accessible. Pay some guy part time salary to come in and do work when its necessary and make him in charge of organization and distribution of work. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:05:26 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#95efe17b-c35e-468c-933b-6d2ebb91af79 Sa)'(nt 2007-11-20T20:05:26Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#df5f4874-fb9c-49ec-80f5-08efbaa91124 I will pay so that others can get a free ride. Many here will do the same and have already said so. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:41:00 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#df5f4874-fb9c-49ec-80f5-08efbaa91124 Bobzilla 2007-11-20T19:41:00Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#ce49b750-a08c-409d-8b0b-a0e2aa4c0996 "The knowledge that you're helping to keep a site afloat that is the best party ever." I don't require extra features to be a paying member. I like Tribe, it is my preferred networking site, if I can help keep it afloat then yippee. I only care if other people contribute to the extent that Tribe is functional. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:32:23 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#ce49b750-a08c-409d-8b0b-a0e2aa4c0996 affinity 2007-11-20T19:32:23Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#08b50c9f-44cb-4136-bf06-9f7f21194d2e Sorry, my idealism run amok. There has been talk of specific feature enhancements for paying users. Some ideas have included ad blocking, more customization, more space for pics and videos, rss feeds. Perhaps better editing capability would be nice. I've suggested giving paying members a voice in some of the functionality decisions that are made... like polling us for input at times. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:23:12 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#08b50c9f-44cb-4136-bf06-9f7f21194d2e Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2007-11-20T19:23:12Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#6c5f4c37-9460-478c-a113-3277219d3495 I think you ignored the parenthesis's at the end of that comment. The reason I put that there is to challenge you to think outside of the box of idealism. I realized that I would get your response, the reason I challenge you beyond it is because while you and many other avid tribe users might not even blink at paying more money to support what they love, what about EVERYONE ELSE? Idealism tends to be filled to the brim with good intentions, but seems to lack in execution of those ideals. I'm also looking at this from a business perspective, what in the long run is going to be best for tribe? A handful of avid fans? No, its the mass of tribe that will help, and trying to figure out how to incorporate everyone is the only solution that will work in the long run. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:17:48 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#6c5f4c37-9460-478c-a113-3277219d3495 Sa)'(nt 2007-11-20T19:17:48Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#763c2b54-75d3-4af0-9d3a-a6e00632b0ec "what would make the premium membership a desirable asset ' The knowledge that you're helping to keep a site afloat that is the best party ever. Even though it costs more, you want to keep it going because it's where all the best people are. You don't want to go to the same lame cookie cutter party everyone else is going to just because it's cheaper. You want to go to the party where the community inspires you, where you can have thoughtful conversations, and where you don't get hit on by every creep at the event. Sure, it costs a little more, but it's either this party, or no party. Cuz I sure as hell ain't gonna waste my time getting the soul sucked out of me at that other party... I don't care how many kids go there. I know better. I don't want to 'network' with the people over there. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:12:06 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#763c2b54-75d3-4af0-9d3a-a6e00632b0ec Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2007-11-20T19:12:06Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#840de906-af71-4c45-ab93-4466359ca6ea "After all, it is a NETWORKING site... people would like to be part of the network all of your friends, family, ect. are a part of.. so people naturally migrate towards the what everyone else is doing. " I'm not going anywhere my family hangs out. I like them well enough, but I would never use any networking site they were on. No way, no how. Me and a couple hundred of my closest friends have a private social networking website. I've never invited any member of my family to it, and over five or six years, only four or five people total (and all of them already knew most of the people on the site). I don't think bigger is better, likewise I don't think cheaper is better, and I've never considered BM in terms of comfort zones or comfort period. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:11:18 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#840de906-af71-4c45-ab93-4466359ca6ea MdJGutie 2007-11-20T19:11:18Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#7194924b-414c-41c4-a2a7-979e8c2e5911 "we are trying to solve the issue of having an on-line community for all the various tribal type communities, that use tribe and over lap our views and mission." You seem to be forgetting about the many people and tribes on here that have nothing at all to do with 'tribal type' communities. They've never even heard of BMan, or Rainbow, or any of that stuff. The only common view or common mission they share is an interest in a particular topic - like recipes, or a TV show, or toe sucking. There are folks on here who have created alternative sites and networks for the 'tribal communities' of which you speak, with varying degrees of success. They are free, they do exist, but they are not Tribe. Many discussions have been had, and will continue to be had, about Tribe alternatives. This discussion, however is about saving Tribe.net, and what it is worth to us. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:04:52 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#7194924b-414c-41c4-a2a7-979e8c2e5911 Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2007-11-20T19:04:52Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#f950c3e9-a177-4993-8683-66dbc258f933 "Noone ever said anything about charging everyone a fee." ok a misconception of mine... sorry about that. but now this brings up the question of what "features" would you have as a premium member? Would they be features that are free on other competitive sites? If so, then what would make the premium membership a desirable asset (short of saving tribe.net)? Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:00:33 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#f950c3e9-a177-4993-8683-66dbc258f933 Sa)'(nt 2007-11-20T19:00:33Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#3bc68548-a0ac-468e-a848-0911f6cbc2ea I never said that myspace or facebook was a better social network.. I think it blows. But that does not account for the numbers of people migrating to the most popular thing. After all, it is a NETWORKING site... people would like to be part of the network all of your friends, family, ect. are a part of.. so people naturally migrate towards the what everyone else is doing. This comes down to a principle of human nature. People feel comfort zones by following large groups of people doing what they want to do. This can EVEN be applied to burning man. Lets say ALL of your friends that went to the burn said " there is this party thats like burningman but its in the mountains in the sierra's. come hit that up with us!" Would you be inclined not to go? Lets say you go and enjoy yourself, and also notice the ticket is cheaper. by $120.. Lets say next year BRC LLC decides to up the anty on tickets to 700 at the gate, first tear goes at 300.. what would you do then? What if all your friends suddenly stopped going to the burn but then this sierra mountian festival started taking off because of it... would you convert? Those questions are merely hypothetical questions... no real need to answer them, just food for thought. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:56:42 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#3bc68548-a0ac-468e-a848-0911f6cbc2ea Sa)'(nt 2007-11-20T18:56:42Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#acc192c1-6587-4332-beb1-bcf0f2c24ee9 "charging everyone a fee" Noone ever said anything about charging everyone a fee. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:49:26 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#acc192c1-6587-4332-beb1-bcf0f2c24ee9 Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2007-11-20T18:49:26Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#55f4a9c4-b786-430c-8a25-30038cc9a63e I realize Tribe is not BM but we are trying to solve the issue of having an on-line community for all the various tribal type communities, that use tribe and over lap our views and mission. I do not favor red lining or having a multi tier paid membership for some rooms or groups and not others. If we could find and/or hire a really good IT person they could make this site pay for the advertisers and members and keep it free of fees. Together we can do it! Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:46:52 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#55f4a9c4-b786-430c-8a25-30038cc9a63e Beach 2007-11-20T18:46:52Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#cc669c76-a283-48de-a2df-7588aa8b09de "Tribe has already lost enough users to facebook and myspace" I have a friend who WORKS for myspace who refuses to use myspace. I refuse to use myspace and spend a lot of time on facebook, but that's mostly zombie attacks on my friend’s vampires. Neither are substitutes for Tribe. If someone goes to either hoping to find a free and less ad laden substitute, they would be sadly mistaken. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:43:51 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#cc669c76-a283-48de-a2df-7588aa8b09de MdJGutie 2007-11-20T18:43:51Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#5982a2a6-107a-44b9-a029-89abca56c430 No one is suggesting that not remain mostly free. Those that can pay for a premium account and feel the site is worth saving will do so. The others get a free ride, which I have no problem with. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:37:31 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#5982a2a6-107a-44b9-a029-89abca56c430 Bobzilla 2007-11-20T18:37:31Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#d7fbb4c1-586e-43b2-8be9-2be36eb89769 "Have you ever organized a coop? " Yes. A nightmare.... logistically and emotionally. Tribe becoming a coop would be like making a monkey fly the space shuttle. The point I wanted to raise here is that while I might pay for tribe, I know that probably well over %60 of users on tribe would not. They would go elsewhere, where the community is free, and accessible. Tribes would fold in on themselves, and many of the feelings that tribe is a community would crumble. Half the people you know that are active/semi-active users would no longer be around, tribes would become "ghost tribes" an occurance within the past 3 years that we have seen happen A LOT. Tribe has already lost enough users to facebook and myspace.. charging everyone a fee to use it would simply put it under. The amount of user decrease, coupled with the fact that you now have to pay for a seemingly doomed community wouldn't be very appealing, especially to others your trying to incorporate into tribe (as mentioned previously, its not an easy feat). I don't mind you guys all standing up and supporting the community by saying you'd pay and suggesting it as a good idea.. you all have very good intentions. You might just be damning it to its eventual defeat. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:23:15 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#d7fbb4c1-586e-43b2-8be9-2be36eb89769 Sa)'(nt 2007-11-20T18:23:15Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#c87d5ba7-e105-461e-86af-3c2d5eed8a91 Um... Beach. You do realize Burningman is not Tribe, and Tribe is not Burningman, right? It's sort of a core concept if you want to keep pace with this discussion. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:43:27 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#c87d5ba7-e105-461e-86af-3c2d5eed8a91 Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2007-11-20T14:43:27Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#272fd132-b7a8-4478-a0f3-f6cd815356d3 "So, do we keep the community that will pay and banish the rest???? How fucking American is that?????" I don't think that's being suggested. From all I've gathered, there is no proposal to eliminate the 'free' option. The free members just won't have access to bells & whistles that paying members to, and they'll probably see more ads. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:40:22 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#272fd132-b7a8-4478-a0f3-f6cd815356d3 Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2007-11-20T14:40:22Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#b86b82d3-0a6b-4375-820c-e5d60ee912c4 Oh, and everyone, keep away from what Beach is smoking. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:26:49 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#b86b82d3-0a6b-4375-820c-e5d60ee912c4 Crypto 2007-11-20T11:26:49Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#2783190f-921a-4656-ad18-a515f6c35ef3 Gobo. Long live the greengrocer's apostrophe! And down with prissy volenteer editors in an informal medium. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:26:23 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#2783190f-921a-4656-ad18-a515f6c35ef3 Crypto 2007-11-20T11:26:23Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#c726440d-0114-4658-8adf-e4b32fe2801e Now over 21 years old BM needs to grow up, move out into the world and show we have the better idea on building a community anywhere (Including the Internet) with simple determination, the well to survive, succeed and promote community involvement to solve issues that our citizens are effected by. Sure there are many over lapping tribal communities such as Rainbow, Naturist, Spiritual, Health, Lifestylers, Etc... that have tribal rooms and groups on Tribe Net. Be not affraid of inclusion, be affraid of exclution. The answer is not always money. It may be about design and drawing sponcers, advertizers and community supporting those who support us. X's, Beach Las Vegas Tribal Swing (Building swings as bridges to adjoining tribes through community involvement) Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:49:20 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#c726440d-0114-4658-8adf-e4b32fe2801e Beach 2007-11-20T10:49:20Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#e2fb068f-d4c9-4baa-b5cc-8d398980ad89 >It was clearly the work of someone borrowing from others for lack of an original idea. Nope. Wrong again. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:37:59 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#e2fb068f-d4c9-4baa-b5cc-8d398980ad89 Bobzilla 2007-11-20T07:37:59Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#67a8ea9b-fe1a-4e12-8aa4-272136352bd3 I personally love Tribe's set-up and community. I am broke as hell but I'd pay 5-10 a mo to be able to connect with this service. But I agree with the other's posting here that it'd be hard to get more people here if it was a pay site. So, do we keep the community that will pay and banish the rest???? How fucking American is that????? Side-note: the links in the original post are MIA.............. Isn't part of the soul of BM the gifting? Where is our grand gifter??????? Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:34:50 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#67a8ea9b-fe1a-4e12-8aa4-272136352bd3 Sprout 2007-11-20T07:34:50Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#539f65f5-a281-4c6f-8e5b-0e3a9f96f5af Sorry Bobzilla....I guess I should have taken it for what it was. It was clearly the work of someone borrowing from others for lack of an original idea. Incidentally, what is the apostrophe about? Shouldn't asterisk be plural rather than possessive? Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:34:17 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#539f65f5-a281-4c6f-8e5b-0e3a9f96f5af Gobo Joe 2007-11-20T07:34:17Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#df5ff9b3-3f71-40c7-a88d-9357d5bdf50d I had assumed the big line of asterisk’s would make it obvious that it was copied directly from his post. I guess I over-estimated the ability of some people to figure that one out. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:39:49 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#df5ff9b3-3f71-40c7-a88d-9357d5bdf50d Bobzilla 2007-11-20T06:39:49Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#7eb2bbd9-b35c-492f-a5e7-075e81e14dec Or at least write (sic) a lot. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:30:31 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#7eb2bbd9-b35c-492f-a5e7-075e81e14dec Crypto 2007-11-20T06:30:31Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#52d32535-0366-45e8-86b0-c7936d687e23 Dang, Bobzilla, we all know that we are supposed to pounce on any spelling error anywhere on the web as proof of the decline of civilization and our own moral fortitude. Get with the program. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:29:59 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#52d32535-0366-45e8-86b0-c7936d687e23 Crypto 2007-11-20T06:29:59Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#cf8b273c-4177-4c74-94ae-c173a970be03 I just copy/pasted it from Mark's post. I didn't feel the need to correct his spelling errors. Technically that's altering content and I don't feel comfortable doing that if it's not mine. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:19:32 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#cf8b273c-4177-4c74-94ae-c173a970be03 Bobzilla 2007-11-20T06:19:32Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#088c5257-d5e8-4c38-9797-0d0bb3c87b7a Jimmy Stewartt? Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:02:29 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#088c5257-d5e8-4c38-9797-0d0bb3c87b7a Crypto 2007-11-20T06:02:29Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#b9bab869-c102-4981-834d-9a99206590b2 Hey Bobzilla......It's Jimmy Stewart with a "T" at the end. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:55:33 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#b9bab869-c102-4981-834d-9a99206590b2 Gobo Joe 2007-11-20T05:55:33Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#a91585ff-fcb9-44ed-bba8-66fe5614a814 "No, I don't like that idea one bit. " Ooooooh, I love that idea. I never go to anything even remotely porny. Of course, I work for the goverment and they have all of tribe blocked as an "adult website" so, there you go. If I didn't work in IT and have access to all kinds of things, I'd never be able to log in. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:53:23 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#a91585ff-fcb9-44ed-bba8-66fe5614a814 MdJGutie 2007-11-20T02:53:23Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#334f2ef4-8caa-44a0-b16f-fed194f241b6 Funny... I read just about all the comments on Mark's blog, and have participated in a few discussions about this. I've not seen one person recommend paying a higher rate to access the adult tribes. I don't like that idea at all. Here we go again trying to define what's porn. No, I don't like that idea one bit. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:47:58 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#334f2ef4-8caa-44a0-b16f-fed194f241b6 Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2007-11-20T02:47:58Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#af52f9b2-aef5-4580-97c4-45376827fe0b I'd pay. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:45:51 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#af52f9b2-aef5-4580-97c4-45376827fe0b Flamingo 2007-11-20T02:45:51Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#0570150a-07ce-4ec0-b163-4da954ef1407 I am in a pissy mood and want to say something sarcastic, MdjGutie. Unfortunately, what you said makes so much sense that I just can't bring myself to challenge you on this. (my guru has me working on backhanded compliements this week.) Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:33:26 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#0570150a-07ce-4ec0-b163-4da954ef1407 Crypto 2007-11-20T02:33:26Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#4a1f891c-d5b6-4a98-a5fa-33b7d142ab24 "...Tribe extends beyond the boundaries of BMan, Rainbow, or any other single event or demographic..." I belong to at least two tribes moderated by people who had no idea what BM was, and these are two of my favorite tribes. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:29:37 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#4a1f891c-d5b6-4a98-a5fa-33b7d142ab24 MdJGutie 2007-11-20T02:29:37Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#5dc70422-5b0f-45ce-b1d6-3f56c599a356 Here's the latest from Mark. *************************************** i just want to say that it's been pleasantly overwhelming to hear the level of response and support for tribe. i'll respond en mass to all the posts, comments and emails i couldnt respond to personally (yet:). feels like jimmy steward in a wonderful life with everyone offering to help save the old savings and loan (replace with old community site). darren has been working on a plan to offer a monthly paid subscription with a goal of generating enough revenue to pay for a full-time engineer/dba. (anyone want that job? email at@tribe.net). we plan to put out an email to all tribe users and post to the blog too. someone also suggested a higher paid subscription for accessing the adult sections which is also the content that has been totally non-monetizable and made it harder for us to attract advertisers so that might make sense. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:02:31 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#5dc70422-5b0f-45ce-b1d6-3f56c599a356 Bobzilla 2007-11-20T01:02:31Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#ee60f449-b9fb-4d5c-82d7-1270d33224eb I like your thinking outside of the box Beach. Just remember, Tribe extends beyond the boundaries of BMan, Rainbow, or any other single event or demographic. Lots of great people on here who aren't 'burners' or 'rainbows'... and that's a good thing. Tribe needs to remain a self-funding entity. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:01:07 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#ee60f449-b9fb-4d5c-82d7-1270d33224eb Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2007-11-20T01:01:07Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#4de9d62e-c9a6-47b4-b598-f8f69e8e5864 Beach, spend some time on eplaya to see what happens to a bbs that depends on the llc. It went down for like six weeks a couple of years ago. They aren't interested in spending resources on the site they have; no reason to give them another one. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:54:32 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#4de9d62e-c9a6-47b4-b598-f8f69e8e5864 Crypto 2007-11-20T00:54:32Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#5232f8c0-0c8d-41d1-bddd-5d5effa07cf3 Wouldn't work, Beach We need an Independent source like Tribe, not beholden to the 'Powers That Be'. We hate Hippies. and calling it Art doesn't pay the bills. KK Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:29:22 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#5232f8c0-0c8d-41d1-bddd-5d5effa07cf3 Kamikaze 2007-11-19T22:29:22Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#58678fde-00c8-42fe-a6d0-d1171bca0109 *) How about adding a small fee to Burningman and Regional ticket events or having a some % of ticket sales be designated for the Tribal Information Act. Calling Tribe an extention of the burningman artistic community and funding it as our endowment to the arts, education and entertainment of our communities and beyond. **) Fund Tribe in place of one art project grant. ***) Ask Rainbow and other communities and groups to join with us in forming our own network. ****) It's A Desert Out There, and we build there why not call it art and build on the internet. Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:16:27 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#58678fde-00c8-42fe-a6d0-d1171bca0109 Beach 2007-11-19T22:16:27Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#5d070b7a-04e1-4bb9-8a72-3ac273762141 only slightly related... does anyone know if there is there some program that will allow me to *easily* save my profile info or, more importantly, the photos ive uploaded to the profile? Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:02:30 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#5d070b7a-04e1-4bb9-8a72-3ac273762141 StacycatS 2007-11-19T22:02:30Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#11c522c4-977c-40b0-a083-fda8fc938ff5 If everyone made a habit out of clicking on the ads just for the heck of it, it would help tribe out a lot. Every click helps! I dont mind the ads... Allow each person on tribe to earn 1 cent for each ad click (Im giggling way to hard to be serious). Then allow tribe to earn the rest. I could see the chaos now. I could see it now........Self made millionaires who spent there day clicking on tribe advertisements. Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:48:17 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#11c522c4-977c-40b0-a083-fda8fc938ff5 ki-ren 2007-11-19T21:48:17Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#2b3d75ac-d05a-4749-8cfc-243adfdbb83e i wouldn't pay for any web service. Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:45:55 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#2b3d75ac-d05a-4749-8cfc-243adfdbb83e automatthew 2007-11-19T21:45:55Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#667da4d0-076b-4622-9901-857a6baebb6c To be honest... I use Firefox with Ad blockers. I have never clicked on a god damm thing that would generate revenue for this free site. I like the idea of some of us contributing to keep Tribe Alive. (Whoa, that would make a great title for a Horror flick). TANSTAAFL as Robert Heinlien used to say. KK Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:28:02 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#667da4d0-076b-4622-9901-857a6baebb6c Kamikaze 2007-11-19T21:28:02Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#eb982485-b7af-45d3-8ffb-dda58592b3d3 I've never gotten a pop-up on Tribe. Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:19:07 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#eb982485-b7af-45d3-8ffb-dda58592b3d3 ~Adam~ 2007-11-19T21:19:07Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#e081f92d-023e-4010-87d7-67fba94934c5 I don't mind clicking on the ads... but the only ads I ever see are Illianawear. I'd wouldn't mind seeing others. Oh, and the google ads... but I almost hesitate to think of them as ads, even though I know they are. My mind blocks out google generated blue text... not just here, but everywhere. Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:14:44 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#e081f92d-023e-4010-87d7-67fba94934c5 Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2007-11-19T21:14:44Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#42b78d65-abcd-441a-aad2-ef0c6825e660 If everyone made a habit out of clicking on the ads just for the heck of it, it would help tribe out a lot. Every click helps! I dont mind the ads....I find a lot of ads for places close to home that arent corporate. No problem.. Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:49:47 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#42b78d65-abcd-441a-aad2-ef0c6825e660 Samsa 2007-11-19T20:49:47Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#3d6da38b-689b-48b4-b648-4d15d2eefc1a " But I guarantee that you'll find the ads far more annoying and intrusive on the bigger more predatory social networking sites that are the alternative." That's for sure. Face book is crawling with them. I especially dislike the ones with sound and movement. Thank God Tribe doesn't have those. Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:49:29 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#3d6da38b-689b-48b4-b648-4d15d2eefc1a MdJGutie 2007-11-19T20:49:29Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#5e54d934-ca5d-4068-846e-0f4e8d65ec9b >Some people get so used to the concept of social networking sites being "free" that they fail to understand why they're free. We face the same thing in public radio where only a fraction of regular listeners ever become members. It amazes me. The money has to come from somewhere. Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:19:33 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#5e54d934-ca5d-4068-846e-0f4e8d65ec9b Bobzilla 2007-11-19T20:19:33Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#bfed99c3-5163-4225-8c57-65a9246b4cc3 "that mean they would dump those annoying ads?" Those annoying ads are the reason this site is here and available to you. How else could a "free" site be free to you and still able to buy and maintain servers, pay bills and salaries, rent office space and on and on? Some people get so used to the concept of social networking sites being "free" that they fail to understand why they're free. No, the annoying ads aren't going to go away nor should they. It's your responsibility to ignore them if you don't like them but those ads are the life blood of tribe. Get used to it and quit whining about them or find some other place to connect with the Burning Man community. But I guarantee that you'll find the ads far more annoying and intrusive on the bigger more predatory social networking sites that are the alternative. Paid a visit to MySpace lately? The ad presence on tribe is mild to nonexistent in comparison. Or maybe you think the three people who run this site should be providing it to you out of simple altruism and they should find a different source of income to live on, like begging for spare change on the street. Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:47:49 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#bfed99c3-5163-4225-8c57-65a9246b4cc3 crash 2007-11-19T18:47:49Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#5b687cd7-8166-4948-b424-113de1816d0a I really like the ad of the nearly naked guy in his underwear. If there were more like that I wouldn't mind. But If tribe did charge, how many people who dont know anything about tribe would sign up? If something similar was brought to my attention and had a price tag, doubt I would join. I have a hard time now trying to get peeps I know to come over to tribe. If I had to tell them it cost, there's no way they would. Me, I'd pay to have tribe. It's the best of them all. Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:09:33 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#5b687cd7-8166-4948-b424-113de1816d0a (-) (-) 2007-11-19T07:09:33Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#4331fa46-a9bb-4197-9ace-79749fa91950 Well, I've clicked on some ads and even bought from them and reported my happiness with my purchase, but if I don't click on more it's only because they don't interest me. The first ad I saw on this thread was for memorial candles or juice cups or something, then it was a pair of text ads, the first of which exclaimed "I hated Burning Man" and now it's some site that will help me find my soul mate (WTF?). If I was interested in buying a juice glass to commemorate the dearly departed Tribe, or hated BM, or was looking for help finding my soul mate, I'd click, but I'm not, so I won't. ...unless that will save me ten bucks a month and get me an ignore function. Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:22:35 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#4331fa46-a9bb-4197-9ace-79749fa91950 MdJGutie 2007-11-19T04:22:35Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#98f043e3-fe57-4b92-8606-6a0771f61ca0 I didn't click on them when they weren't blocked. well almost never. And I never bought from them. Which may have meant that they would have decided that advertising with tribe wasn't worth it. My tribe experience is better now, and I'd be happy to pay them directly. And the simple business model doesn't seem to be working for them. Mon, 19 Nov 2007 03:23:36 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#98f043e3-fe57-4b92-8606-6a0771f61ca0 Crypto 2007-11-19T03:23:36Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#3b1d4809-53c4-4f0e-9d47-b29ab5957bc1 >I know that reasonable people disagree, but I am disturbed by the idea that it is somehow my fault that tribe is in trouble because I don't want >to waste my time and brain cells dealing with the bunch of lies and distortions and social poison that advertising represents. I completely understand but the fact is that the ONLY source of revenue for Tribe, is advertising. The business model is simple. When you block ads, you don't click on them, and Tribe doesn't make money. When Tribe doesn't make money, it goes away. Unless..........they can come up with a subscription fee model that will cover the all the costs. Mon, 19 Nov 2007 03:20:40 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#3b1d4809-53c4-4f0e-9d47-b29ab5957bc1 Bobzilla 2007-11-19T03:20:40Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#e1caf911-85e4-494f-867b-5bca78865ee1 Don't we all have some sort of 'ignore' function built into our brains already? I enjoy seeing some of the more spirited jousting here as concerns some of the ideas present. Some people who I've disagreed with at first have helped me see the light of new knowledge. I can name a few of them, but I won't for fear I might omit some of them and hurt feelings. What I CAN tell you, though, is that there's one or two that I'd love to meet and spend some time with learning from in person, because I know their experience and ability can give me ideas that I'd be that much more rich being exposed to. And, I'd be willing to share any of my experiences that they'd be interested in. It's a two-way street, in any case. Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:10:06 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#e1caf911-85e4-494f-867b-5bca78865ee1 Rhino 2007-11-19T02:10:06Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#477fd915-68ba-4d7e-bdfb-e4285389d7af so how many clicks would we have to click a month so we can keep the cash? Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:05:40 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#477fd915-68ba-4d7e-bdfb-e4285389d7af jameseye 2007-11-19T02:05:40Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#af3a37c3-d23e-40df-9a6c-163265f564d3 Word +1 Mon, 19 Nov 2007 01:17:11 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#af3a37c3-d23e-40df-9a6c-163265f564d3 grouchosuave 2007-11-19T01:17:11Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#51b67253-9e49-436f-8f31-38a37cbef729 I know that reasonable people disagree, but I am disturbed by the idea that it is somehow my fault that tribe is in trouble because I don't want to waste my time and brain cells dealing with the bunch of lies and distortions and social poison that advertising represents. I am more than happy to pay; I think the cost of advertising is ultimately much higher, albeit hidden and therefore apparently painless. Mon, 19 Nov 2007 01:10:08 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#51b67253-9e49-436f-8f31-38a37cbef729 Crypto 2007-11-19T01:10:08Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#629dec0f-0eee-459d-af8a-065cb30a00a3 >>. . . the idea of an ignore function. Man oh, man, I'd pay 10 bucks a month gladly for that.<< That's for sure. An "Invisible Fuckin' Jerk forever " function would be sweet. I think I already have a list ready. Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:46:38 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#629dec0f-0eee-459d-af8a-065cb30a00a3 grouchosuave 2007-11-19T00:46:38Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#3e7314d6-0a06-4c5a-a9b4-5140b38b62f2 Have you ever organized a coop? Consensus and even the simplest of logistics of a dozen people is a big effort. I'm all for self governance and DIY but Damn it's a chore just to get folks to show up on time. Whaddya think any flakes here? Let alone hardware maint. and IT architecture shit requires consistency and a thorough knowledge of the specific systems, coding peculiarities, hell even how hot the server room gets, not a bunch of post it notes left by 13 ½ previous stoners on a refrigerator. Sweet thought. but No. Sometimes you need an actual hitman not a Halo 3 player. Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:43:14 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#3e7314d6-0a06-4c5a-a9b4-5140b38b62f2 grouchosuave 2007-11-19T00:43:14Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#a299860e-be9f-4a75-a5c7-28472d304b54 I wasn't a fan of the fee, until just now when Eddie mentioned it in connection with the idea of an ignore function. Man oh, man, I'd pay 10 bucks a month gladly for that. I also believe I may be on some lists if that happened, but it never bothers me when people don't want to hear from me. What does bother me are the people who insist that I must listen to them. Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:31:57 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#a299860e-be9f-4a75-a5c7-28472d304b54 MdJGutie 2007-11-19T00:31:57Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#de1deaac-aa2c-489c-8bd5-75d3221b9b53 I know the ads are annoying, but if you had a choice of Tribes with no ads or no Tribe at all, what would you choose. The reason Tribe is in trouble is because not enough people click on ads. Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:05:31 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#de1deaac-aa2c-489c-8bd5-75d3221b9b53 Bobzilla 2007-11-19T00:05:31Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#83312b44-de0f-4ebb-ae4e-83c244d887e7 i think tribe is great, and i have met a lot of cool people on here, but i have to be honest, i am too cheap to pay. not that it isn't worth it, it totally is...and i bet lots of people would pay. but honestly i'm not one of them. i just don't spend enough time online these days to justify it. hope it all works out...but all i have is mouth, no money :) Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:03:02 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#83312b44-de0f-4ebb-ae4e-83c244d887e7 Regyna 2007-11-19T00:03:02Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#7c9bcccc-95bc-4c12-a77f-b1adad253505 squeek, just use Firefox and adblock to block the annoying ads, or I believe theres a tool available for IE7 that does somethings similar, I think its called IEPro7, or something like that. Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:41:12 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#7c9bcccc-95bc-4c12-a77f-b1adad253505 Seanan 2007-11-18T23:41:12Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#012f03bf-c336-4d30-a504-3bc38ca0d5b5 See, I'm so damn smug that I have to think it's no loss to me, but a big loss to them. It's interesting to see my ego crop up like that. Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:14:31 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#012f03bf-c336-4d30-a504-3bc38ca0d5b5 Crypto 2007-11-18T23:14:31Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#7726207f-908c-4e4b-b729-a4596807d666 Have no doubts that I would be on many lists but I also know it would be mutual. Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:11:01 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#7726207f-908c-4e4b-b729-a4596807d666 $item.owner.firstName 2007-11-18T23:11:01Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#0d7956d5-19e7-4998-ab7c-89151b0d956b I can think of a few, myself, Eddie. And I may be on a list or two. Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:55:35 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#0d7956d5-19e7-4998-ab7c-89151b0d956b Crypto 2007-11-18T22:55:35Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#33c9b3f0-0912-465e-a365-5a2f24077a24 I would pay only if they put in a real "ignore" feature. While there are hundreds of people I enjoy reading and communicating with on a huge variety of different subjects there are those few people I would never pay to listen to. Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:54:27 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#33c9b3f0-0912-465e-a365-5a2f24077a24 $item.owner.firstName 2007-11-18T22:54:27Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#959b5aee-f625-4ee7-8533-cebf84c3e746 Well, I have no expertise to offer. Will that make me an outsider? Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:09:19 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#959b5aee-f625-4ee7-8533-cebf84c3e746 Crypto 2007-11-18T22:09:19Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#7b8fb813-2468-49bd-b27c-6b0d2a7fe8d8 how about not paying and volunteer some hacker time or servers tribe has some of the richest and smartest computer heads on the planet as members so if tribe made a general broadcast for help i think i would get fixed fast. i think tribe should go co opp i know that they want to make money at it but the tribe didn't like it when they tried to go mainstreams so i think a non mainstream answer is the solution that way no money no taxes and no bad adds what do you think? Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:07:03 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#7b8fb813-2468-49bd-b27c-6b0d2a7fe8d8 rob 2007-11-18T22:07:03Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#5714a153-fad7-431e-a4e7-ad7d3177da67 I am so happy with my Firefox with adblock, I just don't like having my brain a stomping ground for adcopy without my consent. And well, as I remember, the ads were pretty much Illiano Wear and Ann Coulter, both caused a certain amount of personal revulsion. I'd happily pay, as I've said elsewhere, prefering the $60 a year to the $5 a month. Tribe is a worthy service for me. Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:39:52 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#5714a153-fad7-431e-a4e7-ad7d3177da67 Crypto 2007-11-18T21:39:52Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#c74456d5-9d96-4e9d-bb67-2210f4cd6191 I too enjoy tribe above all else, and willing to pay a little for it. Another thing we can do as a tribe is simply use the features on it that generate money for the site. Click on the ads etc. I would like to see them have some sort of online store that lets tribe members post items for sale, and tribe gets a % Tribe is a great resource for a rather nitche community, it would be a shame to see it just go away. Just an increase in ad revenues would help them out a lot and be a pretty good show of support. Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:52:08 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#c74456d5-9d96-4e9d-bb67-2210f4cd6191 GorgJosh! 2007-11-18T19:52:08Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#0ac2efde-9521-4088-91c8-77bac20fa6e0 Thanks. I found it like a minute after I had posted. I also got an email from Mark and I emailed him back with a lot of what we've been talking about. Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:50:07 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#0ac2efde-9521-4088-91c8-77bac20fa6e0 Bobzilla 2007-11-18T19:50:07Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#b39d9a97-7cce-4b68-9dc3-e7777bad169e A quote from Pincus... "if we could generate another $60-70k a year (about $5k per month) we could hire a full-time engineer to work on more serious maintenance and even new features" Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:34:50 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#b39d9a97-7cce-4b68-9dc3-e7777bad169e Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2007-11-18T19:34:50Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#d6436e06-5f64-460f-be80-d4d34a87a476 >For $25/year they'd need 2,800 members Where did these numbers come from? Why 70K? Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:29:17 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#d6436e06-5f64-460f-be80-d4d34a87a476 Bobzilla 2007-11-18T19:29:17Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#cdd1a82f-15c4-4221-917b-a340f0b7e372 Facebook sucks. Those freaking third party applications are driving me nuts! Every time I log on I have to down this and download that. Let's face it, we're freaks and Tribe is our home. I will gladly pay. I also have no problem with the ads. Ads make Tribe money. Tribe needs money to stay alive. I click on ads, Tribe makes money. Tribe makes money, tribe stays alive. It remains to be seen if enough revenue could be generated via user fees to operate with out the ads. Mark has talked before about making Tribe a non-profit with subscription fees. I would absolutely pay $5 or 10$ a month, no sweat. Since I'm doing well I'd even be willing to "sponsor" someone else who can't afford it. If it saves Tribe it's money well spent in my opinion. Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:26:05 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#cdd1a82f-15c4-4221-917b-a340f0b7e372 Bobzilla 2007-11-18T19:26:05Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#289d3ae0-95ad-4068-803b-a3203ef0c7f7 I'd pay it. Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:52:15 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#289d3ae0-95ad-4068-803b-a3203ef0c7f7 Neon 2007-11-18T18:52:15Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#9b2b16d8-e965-4666-87f5-bd1bbe660425 that mean they would dump those annoying ads? when they started the ad thing, a lot of folks said they would happily put up some $ to make them go away, but the tribe folks weren't havin it. funny how things could change when they get desperate... Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:45:16 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#9b2b16d8-e965-4666-87f5-bd1bbe660425 squeak 2007-11-18T18:45:16Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#c6ea4594-81db-48c9-994e-da1daa17b6f4 >"I don't know, but I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. >(That sounded Dirty!) >What do YOU think?! " I'll put my money where your mouth is, KK. Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:00:41 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#c6ea4594-81db-48c9-994e-da1daa17b6f4 grouchosuave 2007-11-18T18:00:41Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#855baef5-779d-420c-ac11-7d5ba081af62 As DN said "For $25/year they'd need 2,800 members. Given that the BMan tribe alone has over 17,000, I would think getting 2,800 wouldn't be too difficult." I don't think the majority of members would pay, but I suspect that a lot of us would! It doesn't take much. I feel, in the spirit of Burningman, that it should be 'selflessly and autonomously to remain true to the spirit of participation without the accompanying Ego.' Maybe I'm being unrealistic... KK Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:31:12 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#855baef5-779d-420c-ac11-7d5ba081af62 Kamikaze 2007-11-18T17:31:12Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#dd42200f-f402-4868-9a6b-7265ba243839 As I stated in the other thread... I'd prefer a flat annual fee. I think they'd get better turnout too. A lot of folks don't participate on tribe on a monthly basis... they might ignore it all year long and only participate when BMan rolls around. So they may not be willing to pay a monthly fee. But they'd be more than willing to pay a one time fee for the duration of time that they do participate. $25/year. Done. Stay away for a few months, no problem, your subscription won't expire... and we'll be here when you come back. Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:19:33 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#dd42200f-f402-4868-9a6b-7265ba243839 Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2007-11-18T17:19:33Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#bed2f0eb-4e1f-4cbf-baf1-d3e21d366a2e I would pay, especially if it means fewer "Donut Freakouts" (as in down times) Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:58:11 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#bed2f0eb-4e1f-4cbf-baf1-d3e21d366a2e Hummingbird 2007-11-18T16:58:11Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#af2ef5b0-efb9-45cf-9f03-9c13d9e6b502 Like I said, count me in. Facebook and myspace for the teeny boppers. Live journal for the celebs and wannabes. Tribe offers reality, diversity, community. Mr. Pincus, please set up a site to where we can contribute. I've got an alternative set up, but I'd lose so much. THANKS! ^Rhino! Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:53:37 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#af2ef5b0-efb9-45cf-9f03-9c13d9e6b502 Rhino 2007-11-18T16:53:37Z http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#18156fc8-5e73-4100-a6ba-40e6e52cea13 DaBomb posted an update (http://bm.tribe.net/thread/406dd6e7-45a5-440d-be63-b430eedb898b) or (http://people.tribe.net/markpincus/blog?topicid=696641b6-8100-4598-8328-afcaf7d83122) re: Tribes financial status. I'm curious how many of you would pay for this service. My personal opinion mirrors Rhino. I love Tribe and hate the alternatives. Maybe if enough of us let Mark know that we are willing to support this Site, he will set up a Venue to contribute. I don't know, but I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. (That sounded Dirty!) What do YOU think?! Good idea? Bad idea?? Do you prefer free sites like Facebook, MySpace, Ning??? KK Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:48:31 GMT http://bm.tribe.net/thread/5d5616c4-cc40-4fe1-a3bd-abfb61128ea8#18156fc8-5e73-4100-a6ba-40e6e52cea13 Kamikaze 2007-11-18T16:48:31Z