A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

topic posted Sun, November 18, 2007 - 8:48 AM by  Kamikaze
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DaBomb posted an update (bm.tribe.net/thread/406d...430eedb898b) or (people.tribe.net/markpincus/blog
re: Tribes financial status.
I'm curious how many of you would pay for this service.
My personal opinion mirrors Rhino.
I love Tribe and hate the alternatives.
Maybe if enough of us let Mark know that we are willing to support this Site, he will set up a Venue to contribute.
I don't know, but I am willing to put my money where my mouth is.
(That sounded Dirty!)

What do YOU think?!
Good idea? Bad idea?? Do you prefer free sites like Facebook, MySpace, Ning???
KK
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  • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

    Sun, November 18, 2007 - 9:19 AM
    As I stated in the other thread... I'd prefer a flat annual fee. I think they'd get better turnout too. A lot of folks don't participate on tribe on a monthly basis... they might ignore it all year long and only participate when BMan rolls around. So they may not be willing to pay a monthly fee. But they'd be more than willing to pay a one time fee for the duration of time that they do participate.

    $25/year. Done. Stay away for a few months, no problem, your subscription won't expire... and we'll be here when you come back.
    • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

      Sun, November 18, 2007 - 9:31 AM
      As DN said "For $25/year they'd need 2,800 members. Given that the BMan tribe alone has over 17,000, I would think getting 2,800 wouldn't be too difficult."
      I don't think the majority of members would pay, but I suspect that a lot of us would!
      It doesn't take much. I feel, in the spirit of Burningman, that it should be 'selflessly and autonomously to remain true to the spirit of participation without the accompanying Ego.'
      Maybe I'm being unrealistic...
      KK
  • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

    Sun, November 18, 2007 - 10:45 AM
    that mean they would dump those annoying ads?

    when they started the ad thing, a lot of folks said they would happily put up some $ to make them go away, but the tribe folks weren't havin it. funny how things could change when they get desperate...
    • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

      Mon, November 19, 2007 - 10:47 AM
      "that mean they would dump those annoying ads?"

      Those annoying ads are the reason this site is here and available to you. How else could a "free" site be free to you and still able to buy and maintain servers, pay bills and salaries, rent office space and on and on? Some people get so used to the concept of social networking sites being "free" that they fail to understand why they're free. No, the annoying ads aren't going to go away nor should they. It's your responsibility to ignore them if you don't like them but those ads are the life blood of tribe. Get used to it and quit whining about them or find some other place to connect with the Burning Man community. But I guarantee that you'll find the ads far more annoying and intrusive on the bigger more predatory social networking sites that are the alternative. Paid a visit to MySpace lately? The ad presence on tribe is mild to nonexistent in comparison. Or maybe you think the three people who run this site should be providing it to you out of simple altruism and they should find a different source of income to live on, like begging for spare change on the street.
      • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

        Mon, November 19, 2007 - 12:19 PM
        >Some people get so used to the concept of social networking sites being "free" that they fail to understand why they're free.

        We face the same thing in public radio where only a fraction of regular listeners ever become members. It amazes me.
        The money has to come from somewhere.
      • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

        Mon, November 19, 2007 - 12:49 PM
        " But I guarantee that you'll find the ads far more annoying and intrusive on the bigger more predatory social networking sites that are the alternative."

        That's for sure. Face book is crawling with them. I especially dislike the ones with sound and movement. Thank God Tribe doesn't have those.
        • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

          Mon, November 19, 2007 - 1:19 PM
          I've never gotten a pop-up on Tribe.
          • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

            Mon, November 19, 2007 - 1:28 PM
            To be honest...
            I use Firefox with Ad blockers.
            I have never clicked on a god damm thing that would generate revenue for this free site.
            I like the idea of some of us contributing to keep Tribe Alive.
            (Whoa, that would make a great title for a Horror flick).

            TANSTAAFL
            as Robert Heinlien used to say.
            KK
            • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

              Mon, November 19, 2007 - 2:16 PM
              *) How about adding a small fee to Burningman and Regional ticket events or having a some % of ticket sales be designated for the Tribal Information Act. Calling Tribe an extention of the burningman artistic community and funding it as our endowment to the arts, education and entertainment of our communities and beyond.

              **) Fund Tribe in place of one art project grant.

              ***) Ask Rainbow and other communities and groups to join with us in forming our own network.

              ****) It's A Desert Out There, and we build there why not call it art and build on the internet.
              • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

                Mon, November 19, 2007 - 4:54 PM
                Beach, spend some time on eplaya to see what happens to a bbs that depends on the llc. It went down for like six weeks a couple of years ago. They aren't interested in spending resources on the site they have; no reason to give them another one.
              • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

                Mon, November 19, 2007 - 5:01 PM
                I like your thinking outside of the box Beach. Just remember, Tribe extends beyond the boundaries of BMan, Rainbow, or any other single event or demographic. Lots of great people on here who aren't 'burners' or 'rainbows'... and that's a good thing.

                Tribe needs to remain a self-funding entity.
                • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

                  Mon, November 19, 2007 - 5:02 PM
                  Here's the latest from Mark.

                  ***************************************

                  i just want to say that it's been pleasantly overwhelming to hear the level of response and support for tribe. i'll respond en mass to all the posts, comments and emails i couldnt respond to personally (yet:). feels like jimmy steward in a wonderful life with everyone offering to help save the old savings and loan (replace with old community site).

                  darren has been working on a plan to offer a monthly paid subscription with a goal of generating enough revenue to pay for a full-time engineer/dba. (anyone want that job? email at@tribe.net). we plan to put out an email to all tribe users and post to the blog too.

                  someone also suggested a higher paid subscription for accessing the adult sections which is also the content that has been totally non-monetizable and made it harder for us to attract advertisers so that might make sense.
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                    Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

                    Mon, November 19, 2007 - 6:47 PM
                    Funny... I read just about all the comments on Mark's blog, and have participated in a few discussions about this. I've not seen one person recommend paying a higher rate to access the adult tribes. I don't like that idea at all. Here we go again trying to define what's porn. No, I don't like that idea one bit.
                    • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

                      Mon, November 19, 2007 - 6:53 PM
                      "No, I don't like that idea one bit. "


                      Ooooooh, I love that idea. I never go to anything even remotely porny. Of course, I work for the goverment and they have all of tribe blocked as an "adult website" so, there you go. If I didn't work in IT and have access to all kinds of things, I'd never be able to log in.
  • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

    Sun, November 18, 2007 - 11:26 AM
    Facebook sucks. Those freaking third party applications are driving me nuts! Every time I log on I have to down this and download that.

    Let's face it, we're freaks and Tribe is our home. I will gladly pay.

    I also have no problem with the ads. Ads make Tribe money. Tribe needs money to stay alive. I click on ads, Tribe makes money. Tribe makes money, tribe stays alive. It remains to be seen if enough revenue could be generated via user fees to operate with out the ads. Mark has talked before about making Tribe a non-profit with subscription fees.

    I would absolutely pay $5 or 10$ a month, no sweat. Since I'm doing well I'd even be willing to "sponsor" someone else who can't afford it. If it saves Tribe it's money well spent in my opinion.
  • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

    Sun, November 18, 2007 - 11:52 AM
    I too enjoy tribe above all else, and willing to pay a little for it. Another thing we can do as a tribe is simply use the features on it that generate money for the site. Click on the ads etc.

    I would like to see them have some sort of online store that lets tribe members post items for sale, and tribe gets a %

    Tribe is a great resource for a rather nitche community, it would be a shame to see it just go away.

    Just an increase in ad revenues would help them out a lot and be a pretty good show of support.
    • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

      Sun, November 18, 2007 - 1:39 PM
      I am so happy with my Firefox with adblock, I just don't like having my brain a stomping ground for adcopy without my consent. And well, as I remember, the ads were pretty much Illiano Wear and Ann Coulter, both caused a certain amount of personal revulsion. I'd happily pay, as I've said elsewhere, prefering the $60 a year to the $5 a month. Tribe is a worthy service for me.
      • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

        Sun, November 18, 2007 - 2:07 PM
        how about not paying and volunteer some hacker time or servers tribe has some of the richest and smartest computer heads on the planet as members so if tribe made a general broadcast for help i think i would get fixed fast.
        i think tribe should go co opp i know that they want to make money at it but the tribe didn't like it when they tried to go mainstreams
        so i think a non mainstream answer is the solution
        that way no money no taxes and no bad adds
        what do you think?
        • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

          Sun, November 18, 2007 - 4:43 PM
          Have you ever organized a coop? Consensus and even the simplest of logistics of a dozen people is a big effort. I'm all for self governance and DIY but Damn it's a chore just to get folks to show up on time. Whaddya think any flakes here?
          Let alone hardware maint. and IT architecture shit requires consistency and a thorough knowledge of the specific systems, coding peculiarities, hell even how hot the server room gets, not a bunch of post it notes left by 13 ½ previous stoners on a refrigerator.

          Sweet thought.
          but No.

          Sometimes you need an actual hitman not a Halo 3 player.
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    Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

    Sun, November 18, 2007 - 2:54 PM
    I would pay only if they put in a real "ignore" feature. While there are hundreds of people I enjoy reading and communicating with on a huge variety of different subjects there are those few people I would never pay to listen to.
    • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

      Sun, November 18, 2007 - 2:55 PM
      I can think of a few, myself, Eddie.

      And I may be on a list or two.
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        Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

        Sun, November 18, 2007 - 3:11 PM
        Have no doubts that I would be on many lists but I also know it would be mutual.
        • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

          Sun, November 18, 2007 - 4:31 PM
          I wasn't a fan of the fee, until just now when Eddie mentioned it in connection with the idea of an ignore function. Man oh, man, I'd pay 10 bucks a month gladly for that. I also believe I may be on some lists if that happened, but it never bothers me when people don't want to hear from me. What does bother me are the people who insist that I must listen to them.
          • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

            Sun, November 18, 2007 - 4:46 PM
            >>. . . the idea of an ignore function. Man oh, man, I'd pay 10 bucks a month gladly for that.<<

            That's for sure. An "Invisible Fuckin' Jerk forever " function would be sweet.
            I think I already have a list ready.
            • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

              Sun, November 18, 2007 - 6:10 PM
              Don't we all have some sort of 'ignore' function built into our brains already? I enjoy seeing some of the more spirited jousting here as concerns some of the ideas present. Some people who I've disagreed with at first have helped me see the light of new knowledge.

              I can name a few of them, but I won't for fear I might omit some of them and hurt feelings. What I CAN tell you, though, is that there's one or two that I'd love to meet and spend some time with learning from in person, because I know their experience and ability can give me ideas that I'd be that much more rich being exposed to. And, I'd be willing to share any of my experiences that they'd be interested in.

              It's a two-way street, in any case.
              • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

                Sun, November 18, 2007 - 7:20 PM
                >I know that reasonable people disagree, but I am disturbed by the idea that it is somehow my fault that tribe is in trouble because I don't want >to waste my time and brain cells dealing with the bunch of lies and distortions and social poison that advertising represents.

                I completely understand but the fact is that the ONLY source of revenue for Tribe, is advertising. The business model is simple.

                When you block ads, you don't click on them, and Tribe doesn't make money. When Tribe doesn't make money, it goes away.

                Unless..........they can come up with a subscription fee model that will cover the all the costs.
                • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

                  Sun, November 18, 2007 - 7:23 PM
                  I didn't click on them when they weren't blocked. well almost never. And I never bought from them. Which may have meant that they would have decided that advertising with tribe wasn't worth it. My tribe experience is better now, and I'd be happy to pay them directly. And the simple business model doesn't seem to be working for them.
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                    Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

                    Sun, November 18, 2007 - 8:22 PM
                    Well, I've clicked on some ads and even bought from them and reported my happiness with my purchase, but if I don't click on more it's only because they don't interest me. The first ad I saw on this thread was for memorial candles or juice cups or something, then it was a pair of text ads, the first of which exclaimed "I hated Burning Man" and now it's some site that will help me find my soul mate (WTF?). If I was interested in buying a juice glass to commemorate the dearly departed Tribe, or hated BM, or was looking for help finding my soul mate, I'd click, but I'm not, so I won't.

                    ...unless that will save me ten bucks a month and get me an ignore function.
                    • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

                      Sun, November 18, 2007 - 11:09 PM
                      I really like the ad of the nearly naked guy in his underwear.
                      If there were more like that I wouldn't mind.
                      But If tribe did charge, how many people who dont know anything about tribe would sign up?
                      If something similar was brought to my attention and had a price tag, doubt I would join.
                      I have a hard time now trying to get peeps I know to come over to tribe.
                      If I had to tell them it cost, there's no way they would.
                      Me, I'd pay to have tribe. It's the best of them all.
                      • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

                        Mon, November 19, 2007 - 12:49 PM
                        If everyone made a habit out of clicking on the ads just for the heck of it, it would help tribe out a lot.
                        Every click helps! I dont mind the ads....I find a lot of ads for places close to home that arent corporate. No problem..
                        • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

                          Mon, November 19, 2007 - 1:14 PM
                          I don't mind clicking on the ads... but the only ads I ever see are Illianawear. I'd wouldn't mind seeing others.

                          Oh, and the google ads... but I almost hesitate to think of them as ads, even though I know they are. My mind blocks out google generated blue text... not just here, but everywhere.
                        • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

                          Mon, November 19, 2007 - 1:48 PM
                          If everyone made a habit out of clicking on the ads just for the heck of it, it would help tribe out a lot.
                          Every click helps! I dont mind the ads...


                          Allow each person on tribe to earn 1 cent for each ad click (Im giggling way to hard to be serious). Then allow tribe to earn the rest. I could see the chaos now. I could see it now........Self made millionaires who spent there day clicking on tribe advertisements.
  • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

    Mon, November 19, 2007 - 11:34 PM
    I personally love Tribe's set-up and community.

    I am broke as hell but I'd pay 5-10 a mo to be able to connect with this service.
    But I agree with the other's posting here that it'd be hard to get more people here if it was a pay site.

    So, do we keep the community that will pay and banish the rest???? How fucking American is that?????

    Side-note: the links in the original post are MIA..............

    Isn't part of the soul of BM the gifting? Where is our grand gifter???????
    • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

      Mon, November 19, 2007 - 11:37 PM
      >It was clearly the work of someone borrowing from others for lack of an original idea.

      Nope. Wrong again.
      • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

        Tue, November 20, 2007 - 2:49 AM
        Now over 21 years old BM needs to grow up, move out into the world and show we have the better idea on building a community anywhere (Including the Internet) with simple determination, the well to survive, succeed and promote community involvement to solve issues that our citizens are effected by. Sure there are many over lapping tribal communities such as Rainbow, Naturist, Spiritual, Health, Lifestylers, Etc... that have tribal rooms and groups on Tribe Net. Be not affraid of inclusion, be affraid of exclution. The answer is not always money.
        It may be about design and drawing sponcers, advertizers and community supporting those who support us.

        X's, Beach
        Las Vegas Tribal Swing
        (Building swings as bridges to adjoining tribes through community involvement)
    • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

      Tue, November 20, 2007 - 6:40 AM
      "So, do we keep the community that will pay and banish the rest???? How fucking American is that?????"

      I don't think that's being suggested. From all I've gathered, there is no proposal to eliminate the 'free' option. The free members just won't have access to bells & whistles that paying members to, and they'll probably see more ads.
      • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

        Tue, November 20, 2007 - 10:23 AM
        "Have you ever organized a coop? "

        Yes. A nightmare.... logistically and emotionally. Tribe becoming a coop would be like making a monkey fly the space shuttle.

        The point I wanted to raise here is that while I might pay for tribe, I know that probably well over %60 of users on tribe would not. They would go elsewhere, where the community is free, and accessible. Tribes would fold in on themselves, and many of the feelings that tribe is a community would crumble. Half the people you know that are active/semi-active users would no longer be around, tribes would become "ghost tribes" an occurance within the past 3 years that we have seen happen A LOT. Tribe has already lost enough users to facebook and myspace.. charging everyone a fee to use it would simply put it under. The amount of user decrease, coupled with the fact that you now have to pay for a seemingly doomed community wouldn't be very appealing, especially to others your trying to incorporate into tribe (as mentioned previously, its not an easy feat).

        I don't mind you guys all standing up and supporting the community by saying you'd pay and suggesting it as a good idea.. you all have very good intentions. You might just be damning it to its eventual defeat.
        • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

          Tue, November 20, 2007 - 10:43 AM
          "Tribe has already lost enough users to facebook and myspace"

          I have a friend who WORKS for myspace who refuses to use myspace. I refuse to use myspace and spend a lot of time on facebook, but that's mostly zombie attacks on my friend’s vampires. Neither are substitutes for Tribe. If someone goes to either hoping to find a free and less ad laden substitute, they would be sadly mistaken.
          • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

            Tue, November 20, 2007 - 10:56 AM
            I never said that myspace or facebook was a better social network.. I think it blows. But that does not account for the numbers of people migrating to the most popular thing. After all, it is a NETWORKING site... people would like to be part of the network all of your friends, family, ect. are a part of.. so people naturally migrate towards the what everyone else is doing. This comes down to a principle of human nature. People feel comfort zones by following large groups of people doing what they want to do. This can EVEN be applied to burning man. Lets say ALL of your friends that went to the burn said " there is this party thats like burningman but its in the mountains in the sierra's. come hit that up with us!" Would you be inclined not to go?

            Lets say you go and enjoy yourself, and also notice the ticket is cheaper. by $120.. Lets say next year BRC LLC decides to up the anty on tickets to 700 at the gate, first tear goes at 300.. what would you do then? What if all your friends suddenly stopped going to the burn but then this sierra mountian festival started taking off because of it... would you convert?

            Those questions are merely hypothetical questions... no real need to answer them, just food for thought.
            • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

              Tue, November 20, 2007 - 11:11 AM
              "After all, it is a NETWORKING site... people would like to be part of the network all of your friends, family, ect. are a part of.. so people naturally migrate towards the what everyone else is doing. "

              I'm not going anywhere my family hangs out. I like them well enough, but I would never use any networking site they were on. No way, no how. Me and a couple hundred of my closest friends have a private social networking website. I've never invited any member of my family to it, and over five or six years, only four or five people total (and all of them already knew most of the people on the site).

              I don't think bigger is better, likewise I don't think cheaper is better, and I've never considered BM in terms of comfort zones or comfort period.
        • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

          Tue, November 20, 2007 - 10:46 AM
          I realize Tribe is not BM but we are trying to solve the issue of having an on-line community for all the various tribal type communities, that use tribe and over lap our views and mission. I do not favor red lining or having a multi tier paid membership for some rooms or groups and not others.
          If we could find and/or hire a really good IT person they could make this site pay for the advertisers and members and keep it free of fees.

          Together we can do it!
          • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

            Tue, November 20, 2007 - 11:04 AM
            "we are trying to solve the issue of having an on-line community for all the various tribal type communities, that use tribe and over lap our views and mission."

            You seem to be forgetting about the many people and tribes on here that have nothing at all to do with 'tribal type' communities. They've never even heard of BMan, or Rainbow, or any of that stuff. The only common view or common mission they share is an interest in a particular topic - like recipes, or a TV show, or toe sucking.

            There are folks on here who have created alternative sites and networks for the 'tribal communities' of which you speak, with varying degrees of success. They are free, they do exist, but they are not Tribe. Many discussions have been had, and will continue to be had, about Tribe alternatives. This discussion, however is about saving Tribe.net, and what it is worth to us.
        • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

          Tue, November 20, 2007 - 10:49 AM
          "charging everyone a fee"

          Noone ever said anything about charging everyone a fee.
          • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

            Tue, November 20, 2007 - 11:00 AM
            "Noone ever said anything about charging everyone a fee."

            ok a misconception of mine... sorry about that.

            but now this brings up the question of what "features" would you have as a premium member? Would they be features that are free on other competitive sites? If so, then what would make the premium membership a desirable asset (short of saving tribe.net)?
            • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

              Tue, November 20, 2007 - 11:12 AM
              "what would make the premium membership a desirable asset '

              The knowledge that you're helping to keep a site afloat that is the best party ever. Even though it costs more, you want to keep it going because it's where all the best people are. You don't want to go to the same lame cookie cutter party everyone else is going to just because it's cheaper. You want to go to the party where the community inspires you, where you can have thoughtful conversations, and where you don't get hit on by every creep at the event. Sure, it costs a little more, but it's either this party, or no party. Cuz I sure as hell ain't gonna waste my time getting the soul sucked out of me at that other party... I don't care how many kids go there. I know better. I don't want to 'network' with the people over there.
              • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

                Tue, November 20, 2007 - 11:17 AM
                I think you ignored the parenthesis's at the end of that comment. The reason I put that there is to challenge you to think outside of the box of idealism. I realized that I would get your response, the reason I challenge you beyond it is because while you and many other avid tribe users might not even blink at paying more money to support what they love, what about EVERYONE ELSE? Idealism tends to be filled to the brim with good intentions, but seems to lack in execution of those ideals.
                I'm also looking at this from a business perspective, what in the long run is going to be best for tribe? A handful of avid fans? No, its the mass of tribe that will help, and trying to figure out how to incorporate everyone is the only solution that will work in the long run.
                • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

                  Tue, November 20, 2007 - 11:23 AM
                  Sorry, my idealism run amok.

                  There has been talk of specific feature enhancements for paying users. Some ideas have included ad blocking, more customization, more space for pics and videos, rss feeds. Perhaps better editing capability would be nice. I've suggested giving paying members a voice in some of the functionality decisions that are made... like polling us for input at times.
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                    Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

                    Tue, November 20, 2007 - 11:32 AM
                    "The knowledge that you're helping to keep a site afloat that is the best party ever."

                    I don't require extra features to be a paying member. I like Tribe, it is my preferred networking site, if I can help keep it afloat then yippee. I only care if other people contribute to the extent that Tribe is functional.
                    • Re: A Fin a month to keep Tribe alive?

                      Tue, November 20, 2007 - 11:41 AM
                      I will pay so that others can get a free ride. Many here will do the same and have already said so.
                      • Ok so im done playing devils advocate for a min..

                        Tue, November 20, 2007 - 12:05 PM
                        Time for my suggestions.

                        Yeah maybe a paypal account and even possibly *gasp* an actual fund raiser? I'm talkin real party, real sound systems, real dj's.. all whom would volunteer it for free to create the event. Might help with some woe's of the finances.

                        Alternatively, Tribe has HUGE techno geek tribes. Why not post these sorrows in those tribes. Someone might be willing to provide external support here and there.. of course there should be some type of application and reviewing process for these people. I understand the need for an organizer to be in place to keep things organized.. but this does not mean they have to be full time. Contract work for people is easily accessible. Pay some guy part time salary to come in and do work when its necessary and make him in charge of organization and distribution of work.
                        • Re: Ok so im done playing devils advocate for a min..

                          Tue, November 20, 2007 - 12:10 PM
                          No reason not to do that too!
                          Talk to Mark.
                          You Bay Area Peeps should be able to throw a kick ass party/fundraiser...right?!
                          KK
                          • Re: Ok so im done playing devils advocate for a min..

                            Tue, November 20, 2007 - 12:30 PM
                            Not to throw cold water on any of your ideas but all of these have already been discussed with the powers that be at tribe. A one time fundraiser isn't enough. They need regular income, an additional 70K a year, every year.

                            They don't have the cash to pay any contractors and the two people who work at Tribe full time have their hands full.
                            • Who said the fund raiser had to be one time? I think if everyone in tribe got a message from tribe itself informing them of the fundraiser(s) and why it is being thrown (so that people can still use tribe) im sure you'd get many positive responses, as this thread proves. Many tribe users are SF based, but i'm sure that an LA fund raiser could be held as well. Who knows, should they take off well enough, tribe parties might get a rep going.

                              I guess the reason im such and advocate of the party idea is because Im a party thrower/goer myself. (i perfer saying that over the distasteful wording of "promoter")
                              • I'm hoping my $60 a year will give me the option of being on a "don't send me fundraiser info" list.
                                • "I'm hoping my $60 a year will give me the option of being on a "don't send me fundraiser info" list. "

                                  I concur. I don't know how many charities send me what amounts to junk mail because I've donated to charities. Blaugh. I have enough fundraisers to attend right now, for friends and causes that are usually supported by fundraisers. What's wrong with treating this business like a business? Sure, it’s a business we really, really like, but if you put them in a position where their business model is passing that hat, how's that going to keep them afloat in the long run? Besides, I have lots and lots of parties in my life, and only one Tribe. Why make them fight for what's already a pie being sliced many ways?

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