Tribe.net. Local Connections Ora http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#383da881-37c6-420f-afab-013153a8b243 2007-12-05T19:22:54Z 2007-12-05T19:22:54Z

Yes! Great costume idea! I'll get a friend to be a Japanese tourist, and I'll be a 19th century Russian peasant mother, and then we'll get an English guy somewhere to be a drunk footballer, and we'll have an ancient Mayan warrior, and a midget basketweaver with scuba gear, and a furry dressed in rubber. Yes!!

Ora 2007-12-05T19:22:54Z Ora http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#424b5aab-1136-4238-b91b-32aec8a21676 2007-12-05T19:18:03Z 2007-12-05T19:18:03Z

That's what the other 51 weeks are for. :-)

Ora 2007-12-05T19:18:03Z Hardcore Pippi http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#c359b6bb-5655-4e79-a79b-b899e18a88ef 2007-12-05T08:58:21Z 2007-12-05T08:58:21Z

ohh and i give out hugs all the time cus i think every one needs hugs and if i want more hugs then i need to give to recive yay!

Hardcore Pippi 2007-12-05T08:58:21Z Hardcore Pippi http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#df7d9e0b-2d46-4a03-b2d6-a5549f9edde2 2007-12-05T08:55:36Z 2007-12-05T08:55:36Z

i think that more people from the world will like it cus it is the pos and neg of what the americans think of their own land! i would like to see this happen in other places and get the view points!

Hardcore Pippi 2007-12-05T08:55:36Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#47688fa2-cf9f-4ab4-9a74-9c4ac39f2a37 2007-12-05T05:23:39Z 2007-12-05T05:23:39Z

That's it...oh, and get rid of Center Camp. That place gives me Turret's Syndrome.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-12-05T05:23:39Z Regyna http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#f7c7b561-fc0b-42c0-a652-6bbd89b126eb 2007-12-04T01:55:36Z 2007-12-04T01:55:36Z

not really lovey :) unlike you I feel compelled to actually do something about the things I claim to do...so all I claim to know how to change is me, since that's all I really have control over. everything else is just words.

Regyna 2007-12-04T01:55:36Z Crypto http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#84a66a9a-a470-4b6e-a805-734d0d9470a4 2007-11-10T08:33:27Z 2007-11-10T08:33:27Z

Can't you just hear the whining about the favoritism of the judges, whoever they turn out to be.

Crypto 2007-11-10T08:33:27Z Danger Angel http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#55cd4941-3423-4015-bba6-d1e4f140fd29 2007-11-10T08:28:26Z 2007-11-10T08:28:26Z

"how would YOU envision freezing/lowering/slowing down the population of BRC" Chicken John once had a hilarious version of the Gong Show. I think he should hold 50,000 auditions for 25,000 playa spots. "You're still in the running to becoming America's Next Top Burner!"

Danger Angel 2007-11-10T08:28:26Z Kamikaze http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#12b8915c-18ca-4773-b002-236750e4d7ec 2007-11-10T05:56:36Z 2007-11-10T05:56:36Z

Per your requests, I have changed Burningman. It will now be known as Manburning. Next Thread, please. (so little time, so much to fix) KK

Kamikaze 2007-11-10T05:56:36Z Karine http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#cda3bb30-5268-4a22-b817-3935d07d2932 2007-11-10T05:39:23Z 2007-11-10T05:39:23Z

Here! Here! To Bacon! I

Karine 2007-11-10T05:39:23Z Smelly http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#32cccba0-cfe5-433c-b82a-ddcdd4ed550d 2007-11-10T05:36:35Z 2007-11-10T05:36:35Z

I say just add more cheap vodka and glitter......that is really all the changes that need to be made, in my opion )'(

Smelly 2007-11-10T05:36:35Z Adam http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#624d6334-2e36-4ecd-8926-c7cdee3d1d7c 2007-11-10T05:26:32Z 2007-11-10T05:26:32Z

More on my previous thoughts. Here is a quote from Jarred: "Yes, the BMORG has some issues, but at the end of the day, this isn't a festival run by us, it is run by them. This isn't some democratic society ... This is a business, with some heart, and they will run it, within reason, to make that business thrive." http://bm.tribe.net/thread/11e1b21e-61d0-46c1-bf7a-0f134fd09f65#4f3de0bf-0525-4915-8d5e-c2c14028ee43 He likes the BMORG. But I think that he perfectly demonstrates the problems that I've pointed out about a lack of feeling of ownership, and a broken community - "us versus them". I think some form of "power to the people" would be very good towards fixing the problems of Burningman.

Adam 2007-11-10T05:26:32Z Adam http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#b49e6be7-34c6-448e-b269-81dcf8b22089 2007-11-09T07:49:59Z 2007-11-09T07:49:59Z

Kelly: I certainly agree with you that the explosive growth is a problem. John Law left when it got too big for him. Larry Harvey once claimed he'd kill Burningman if it got too big. Who knows if he'll actually live up to that statement.... if Maid Marian will let him.... or if the all "american theme" is actually a not-so-subtle attempt to chase people away. Kelly, have you studied "Gillette's Syndrome". Have the sociologists proposed ay solutions, other than limiting the pace of growth? I think that the biggest problems with the growth is a loss of a feeling of ownership. When a town is tiny, it is "_our_ town". But when it grows beyond a certain size, it starts becoming "_the_ city". When I first started coming to the event, there was a massive feeling of ownership - we were all working together to make this happen. Now, there has been a split in the community. The BMORG and DPW create the event. More and more people don't feel any ownership at all. You hear statements such as this from many members of this tribe: "It's Larry's event" "It's just a party." Personally, and this is just my opinion, I see many of the problems that you describe as symptoms of the dissolution of the community, and the feeling of not having ownership in the project. The fix as I see it is to give more ownership back to the community. When people own something they generally treat it with respect. (And if people are interested, I'll once again explain my thoughts for making that happen.)

Adam 2007-11-09T07:49:59Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#f63a7e92-07b7-4138-9de2-1cb83f30fe1c 2007-11-09T02:30:50Z 2007-11-09T02:30:50Z

I'm here to help. That and to dazzle and confuse.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-11-09T02:30:50Z ki-ren http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#d3bd7221-04ad-48e9-ad64-6072f7dc1327 2007-11-09T02:24:02Z 2007-11-09T02:24:02Z

Brytree says: I don't see the problem... why don't you just ignore them (except for buying a ticket) and just do your own thing anyway? Ahhh good words to burn by. I dont go for the for anyone who works at Burning Man. Nor do I care for the politics of Burning Man. I go for the bacon.

ki-ren 2007-11-09T02:24:02Z Ray http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#fa1e1987-9084-4e86-8d01-44d1b3791aa7 2007-11-08T22:19:27Z 2007-11-08T22:19:27Z

>What to do? Tough one - I certainly don't think an arbitrary limit on the number of tickets is the answer (can you say > "scalper's paradise"?). I have voiced my concerns to folks in the org who also believe it's an important issue and hopefully N.B.: I'm not suggesting that this be done... however, for the sake of argument... There *is* a way to solve the "scalpers" problem and the "too many newbies" problem at the same time, which is to allow everyone leaving BRC in the current year to buy, say, 2 tickets for next year's BM. Then limit public sales by the LLC to the number of tickets sold at the event plus however many would be thought to increase (or decrease :-) the population to a desired level. You'd also want to do typical things that are done to throttle scalper activity like limit the number of tickets you can buy on a single credit card/bank account, etc. Existing anti-scalping laws are probably sufficient to keep down the publicized traffic near the playa (and besides, who's going to gear up and drive all the way out there not knowing whether they'll be able to get a ticket?). It could theoretically even be made retroactive to this year by allowing advance purchase by people in the database as having bought 2007 tickets (or volunteered). I expect dedicated burners would buy enough "extra" tickets for friends they want to ensure will be able to come to suppress the offsite/eBay market price to something reasonable and make it unattractive to professional scalpers. Luckily, there's a safety valve of loosening the restrictions on public tickets if that doesn't come to pass, at the cost of failing to limit population growth. While in theory if everyone did that it could double the population, I think that's highly unlikely, because a) existing Burners generally don't want a giant flood of extra people, and b) it's a big investment for an average burner to make on a lark (and hopefully people are smart enough to realize that if this was done for investment purposes in a widespread manner, it would crash the market price and they'd lose... danger, Will Robinson, danger!).

Ray 2007-11-08T22:19:27Z spectabilis http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#ed6d205b-c443-417f-8ab5-5a05b335faa6 2007-11-08T07:42:58Z 2007-11-08T07:42:58Z

not even saying thats something i personally would or not want see happen, but how possible is it for a population cap beyond the blm growth restrictions? have you considered the effect of turnover and fallout? just a side note : much of my motivation for taking up the reins of the eplaya was for that reason. its the first place newcommers are introduced to burningman's fractured community with real members, and a good way to hook them up with others including various theme camps with long time veterans who interact and recruit from there. its also a reason i shifted my volunteer efforts to helping those theme camps instead of the site, its a much better way to make an impact in the population problems and i dont have to worry about working for the org. strange though.. larry harvey is directly quoted saying that people who want to change something are not going to get much attention or a voice unless they actively volunteer for the org.. go figure, i guess the literally thousands of others who do important stuff are basically fucked in ever being listened to.

spectabilis 2007-11-08T07:42:58Z spectabilis http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#5419dbc7-6ce5-4072-a625-00a411239cf1 2007-11-08T07:31:08Z 2007-11-08T07:31:08Z

am for the ability to change or more importantly - i am for the empowerment of individuals including the ability to freely associate into whatever groups for whatever purpose of action. i dont really care about the temple and seem to avoid most things explicitly org sponsored and enabled like center camp, the man, temple, artica...so i guess its a pattern that those things are the most entrenched in social form and why i dont like them. but none of this implies i think its nessesarily wrong or evil, they just dont serve the desired effect in the long run.

spectabilis 2007-11-08T07:31:08Z Neon http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#4f5d5512-74bd-42dc-8b75-69409041d607 2007-11-08T07:19:42Z 2007-11-08T07:19:42Z

Yes, there were a lot of new people there. I do my best to "change" them in to burners by inviting them into the public part of our camp, gifting them coffee or tea, chatting, hanging out with them in our blacklight space, asking them about their experience and supporting their ideas for next year. I know it's hard to adjust to the ever-changing thing that is burning man, but if we all do our best to infuse the new people with the things we like about it, they will carry the torch onward. In fact, that's how we all became "burners" in the first place, right?

Neon 2007-11-08T07:19:42Z Reverend Dusty http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#ba619d4c-4f70-4394-b74d-cb837a049955 2007-11-08T00:48:01Z 2007-11-08T00:48:01Z

maybe rephrase the issue: How to better acclimitize the new influx of people to the ethos of the event, without squashing the new energy that they can bring. FWIW, I met a lot of new people this year, who were *not* of the yahoo variety. Then again, I had to leave on Wed night, so what do I know.

Reverend Dusty 2007-11-08T00:48:01Z Kelly http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#51170111-667d-4152-a077-d51aac682aae 2007-11-08T00:40:41Z 2007-11-08T00:40:41Z

<<only thing i would change... is for people to actually have the ability to change anything at burningman without explicit and sanctioned support of the llc.>> Okay Spec, so in my example - how would YOU envision freezing/lowering/slowing down the population of BRC except via the workings of the organization that puts on the event? I suppose you could do like Moistpup and make up shit on the internet to keep away the extremely gullible, but I doubt that would have a seriuos impact...

Kelly 2007-11-08T00:40:41Z Reverend Dusty http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#ec947cdb-bf31-4f7d-97cf-d055c6d44082 2007-11-08T00:39:40Z 2007-11-08T00:39:40Z

God Damn! A giant Turkey w/Bat Wings!!!! Maybe some fire too??? I can't do it on my own, but I'd love to help anyone with that beauty! Shit, I'd love to see something like that running around the playa. How can anyone say the event is getting stale when there is so much to do? (P.S. the burning of the man is not a big deal to me, but I understand the importance of ritual and appreciate it for that aspect of it).

Reverend Dusty 2007-11-08T00:39:40Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#1aad8f32-7ccf-4a15-8287-89310d3dbedc 2007-11-08T00:19:15Z 2007-11-08T00:19:15Z

Wait, are you for or against people have the ability to change things without the explicit and sanctioned support of the llc? So, are you against the Gehry temple?

$item.owner.firstName 2007-11-08T00:19:15Z BryTee http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#52751b4b-7576-4a55-a59d-299f8daa8c5c 2007-11-08T00:13:29Z 2007-11-08T00:13:29Z

Little Raven>> "move it to a location on private land" Check out http://www.permaburn.org

BryTee 2007-11-08T00:13:29Z spectabilis http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#1f34b2a0-ace3-428b-aa51-39c647b4a1f6 2007-11-07T23:57:40Z 2007-11-07T23:57:40Z

only thing i would change... is for people to actually have the ability to change anything at burningman without explicit and sanctioned support of the llc.

spectabilis 2007-11-07T23:57:40Z Raven http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#8cb46400-d689-48ec-87b9-0a7314d7370b 2007-11-07T23:47:10Z 2007-11-07T23:47:10Z

i agree about the theme, BM to me has always been the most multi-cultural event i have ever participated in, and that is one of the many reason's i love it. Labeling it the "american dream" is an outrage to all the people who travel world-wide to experience it. BTW, one of my favorite moments on the playa ever was sitting down at the man in 2002, i had a sudo-sign-language conversation with a man from japan, i do not speak japenese, and he did not speak english, however, we communicated what we were feeling and i gave him a mother earth pendant i was wearing. it was one of the most memorable moments i have ever had on the playa. if i could change anything about BM, i would move it to a location on private land, maybe to the indian reservation near-by, (that wa a big discussion at our village in 03)...and no more fucking LEO's lurking, sneaking, hiding waiting to bust people...seems like they are not there for peoples safety, they are only there to bust as many people as they can, and entrap people as well. i know this is fact because i have experienced it.

Raven 2007-11-07T23:47:10Z Seanan http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#0640755f-796f-46f3-a07e-c8baaac9c924 2007-11-07T23:27:52Z 2007-11-07T23:27:52Z

I noticed plenty of Japanese 'burners' but not any typical Japanese 'tourists' as such, maybe I'm blind. There is quite a strong burner scene developing in Japan, seemingly!

Seanan 2007-11-07T23:27:52Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#2b88fcba-d735-4e45-8ca8-c068fac80672 2007-11-07T16:45:28Z 2007-11-07T16:45:28Z

Maybe the American Dream theme will result in a reduction of Japanese tourists. That has to be the weirdest phenomenon I've seen yet.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-11-07T16:45:28Z Kelly http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#b0a86ace-bda6-456d-8608-2c43fcd42cdc 2007-11-07T05:11:53Z 2007-11-07T05:11:53Z

Right now, I think Burning Man's biggest problem is the rate of population growth - too many new people to enculturate, who treat the event as Daytona Spring Break with flamethrowers. Talking with Rangers and other folks in hte LLC, it's clear that the rate of sexual assaults, theft, and other problems have grown far out of proportion with the simple numbers. This is actually an occurance common to cities experiencing rapid population growth - sociologists call it "Gillette's Syndrome". To quote Wikipedia: <Gillette Syndrome is a term used to describe the social disruption that can occur in a community due to rapid population growth. Such disruptions usually include increased crime, degraded mental health, weakened social and community bonds, abnormally high costs of living, and other social problems. The term is usually applied to boomtowns that are growing rapidly due to nearby natural resource extraction, such as coal mining or natural gas drilling. The term was coined by psychologist ElDean Kohrs in an attempt to describe the social impacts of rapid coal mining development on the boomtown of Gillette, Wyoming.> Black Rock City seems to be a boomtown of another sort, but the problems are similar. What to do? Tough one - I certainly don't think an arbitrary limit on the number of tickets is the answer (can you say "scalper's paradise"?). I have voiced my concerns to folks in the org who also believe it's an important issue and hopefully it's going to be discussed at the post-event staff retreat this very week.

Kelly 2007-11-07T05:11:53Z automatthew http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#f1c65730-06e8-4269-aceb-ef441d56bf6d 2007-11-07T05:10:20Z 2007-11-07T05:10:20Z

i don't like next years theme. it's overly political, negative, alienating to non-americans, and not about art, creativity, or fun. unfortunately i can't do anything about it.

automatthew 2007-11-07T05:10:20Z . http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#904112dd-ed59-4fcb-8f3d-42b044cacdb5 2007-11-07T04:01:04Z 2007-11-07T04:01:04Z

Gawd I know, seeing the kleiglights focused on you, telling a family that their loved one did not survive the crash, seeing the newsman later and feeling sorry that the 1-800 number was the best you could give, it still hurts, deeply, SFO.

. 2007-11-07T04:01:04Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#0482e6ac-346c-4072-8a2f-79e44b2ee8a1 2007-11-07T03:36:06Z 2007-11-07T03:36:06Z

A constantly Burning metal dildo. Now THAT is a great idea.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-11-07T03:36:06Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#4c1a19af-58b3-4653-9e41-e96885c5c551 2007-11-07T03:35:28Z 2007-11-07T03:35:28Z

So for your first paragraph you changed yourself. For your second you learned to lie well. ;-)

$item.owner.firstName 2007-11-07T03:35:28Z Kamikaze http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#fc76740d-1dd4-40cd-bdff-494d15cc2706 2007-11-07T02:40:31Z 2007-11-07T02:40:31Z

Adam I have worked with the Board, the BORG, and DPW. As an Airport Manager, I was intimately involved with all aspects of the organization. You, quite simply, don't know a god damn thing. You just bray from the outside. Let me repost my direct comment to you. Adam This is not a Democracy. This is Tribe. A business that connects us, a community with shared values that relies on advertising to pay the bills. You have chilled participation through your relentless self promotion. It has been pointed out to you by many that your agenda is harmful, but you chose not to listen, respect, or change. Many of us gave you a second/third/fourth and fifth chance. Again...you didn't respect those trying to help you. You are on your own. Live with the consequences of your actions. Be a man. Suck it up and go away. Live, learn, and grow are seemingly concepts beyond you at this point in your life. I wish you well, but you do not belong here in the place where you are at. Come back when you are more humble, sane, and Community minded. KK www.abuse@tribe.net

Kamikaze 2007-11-07T02:40:31Z Crypto http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#cd52aa22-83d6-4d36-a2a3-ea2c16b4246d 2007-11-07T02:29:14Z 2007-11-07T02:29:14Z

Even if it is brought to the streets of default (and I would argue that in many small ways it is) then the event could remain as a recharger of batteries.

Crypto 2007-11-07T02:29:14Z Supernova http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#53f0edc3-ea5b-4f01-b2f8-87c4729222a9 2007-11-07T01:32:04Z 2007-11-07T01:32:04Z

I would say the worst thing about Burning Man is that it's stuck on the Playa. The thing I would change the most is to bring all that creative, joyful goodness out onto the streets of default...

Supernova 2007-11-07T01:32:04Z BryTee http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#6e8ba6c3-e95d-4a90-af22-6f065ee38972 2007-11-07T01:27:48Z 2007-11-07T01:27:48Z

>> The BMORG has taken Burningman from the community, they seem to be betraying the values of Burningman, and at every turn chosing dishonesty and spin over open honest disclosure. I don't see any easy fix to any of that. But I will keep pointing out problem when I see then. I don't see the problem... why don't you just ignore them (except for buying a ticket) and just do your own thing anyway?

BryTee 2007-11-07T01:27:48Z Adam http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#3a777396-a5bc-41ea-963e-00df80cf4d65 2007-11-07T00:50:50Z 2007-11-07T00:50:50Z

MoistPup: The BMORG has taken Burningman from the community, they seem to be betraying the values of Burningman, and at every turn chosing dishonesty and spin over open honest disclosure. I don't see any easy fix to any of that. But I will keep pointing out problem when I see then. The voices of normality, structure and order have seemed to have quashed the spirit of Cacophony at the event. Let me remind everyone that the first event in the desert was a Cacophony event, which Larry was invited to only as an afterthought. There is an easy fix for that though. I loved the Cacophony, so I plan to personally help bring some of it back next year. Expect the unexpected, and learn to embrace it. :-)

Adam 2007-11-07T00:50:50Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#99050422-3ef5-429a-878c-6e9af2b2b379 2007-11-07T00:03:57Z 2007-11-07T00:03:57Z

I wouldn't change a thing. It's pretty much perfect the way it is. Well, maybe I'd change the icon. No more man. I want a giant turkey with bat wings. Then maybe the next year we'll have a constantly burning metal dildo. Oh, and I'd bring back the guns. I like guns. Mixed with drugs. And a puppy.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-11-07T00:03:57Z Miss Cheeky http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#90a38e39-1114-4bc6-b2c0-7341aa63b337 2007-11-06T23:10:38Z 2007-11-06T23:10:38Z

I thought this was going to be about dirty diapers.

Miss Cheeky 2007-11-06T23:10:38Z Regyna http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#59b3b9a2-3062-4d2c-881f-8992094cb5be 2007-11-06T23:04:32Z 2007-11-06T23:04:32Z

well, I didn't really like that there were so many people there this year that Tuesday felt like Thursday...but who the hell cares if I like it or not. there's not a dang thing I can do about it, and if I did it would be wrong. it's for anyone who wants to go, and too bad for me if it changes and I don't like it. I can choose to go or not as I please, just as they can. I have begun telling anyone who asks me that it sucks, and they shouldn't go, just in case. but they don't seem to believe me...

Regyna 2007-11-06T23:04:32Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/459d0813-e25c-494c-8af7-052f5978b642#5a8a8f5f-b40a-4f4d-b3e7-c4c821068d28 2007-11-06T17:29:56Z 2007-11-06T17:29:56Z

Burning Man is a Do-ocracy. If you don't like the way something is then do something about it. What did you see that you didn't like, what did you do to change it? Is there something currently you don't like? What are you going to do to change it?

$item.owner.firstName 2007-11-06T17:29:56Z