Tribe.net. Local Connections Bobzilla http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#1f327665-0691-44c1-b5d8-a7095501a265 2007-11-26T19:59:17Z 2007-11-26T19:59:17Z

From the company blog, posted today by Darren. ******************************** Announcement Delayed We're going to put out an announcement about the future of tribe.net in the next day or so. I was hoping to do it first thing this morning, but I have been working on some codebase changes that I wanted to announce and they aren't quite done with testing yet. Be patient, it's probably less than a day a away. Sing that song from Annie!

Bobzilla 2007-11-26T19:59:17Z Crypto http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#0b921f33-8a9b-4c71-8b80-a4b71e36378f 2007-11-25T05:19:02Z 2007-11-25T05:19:02Z

Crap, I need sleep. Using the same word twice in a sentance...

Crypto 2007-11-25T05:19:02Z Crypto http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#d78f640b-b3d9-45ce-af59-a26dfb57780a 2007-11-25T05:18:34Z 2007-11-25T05:18:34Z

Maybe it's better to sign your own than just bleeding to death from a thousand cuts. And remember, it's not manditory, just optional for certain additional options.

Crypto 2007-11-25T05:18:34Z Baba http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#d58f3784-d918-457d-b295-c894216423c6 2007-11-25T05:03:35Z 2007-11-25T05:03:35Z

I'm worried that many of the people that make tribe special to me won't feel like subscribing at some monthly amount. If they leave, I'll leave. What other social networking sites charge a monthly fee? I think Tribe is concocting it's own death warrant. Peace karl

Baba 2007-11-25T05:03:35Z Bobzilla http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#c658e58f-9a39-49ad-9866-eb01565d3f25 2007-11-24T04:57:10Z 2007-11-24T04:57:10Z

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, OK.

Bobzilla 2007-11-24T04:57:10Z filoxera http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#52c0e81c-054c-46b5-8fae-757c5264a859 2007-11-24T04:53:46Z 2007-11-24T04:53:46Z

cool I like to be 2000 per ticket I have enough with San Francisco bums, that piss and poop all around

filoxera 2007-11-24T04:53:46Z Bobzilla http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#2e82bf0f-88fb-49b4-b20b-6811ccceca5b 2007-11-24T03:10:14Z 2007-11-24T03:10:14Z

boy does my typing suck

Bobzilla 2007-11-24T03:10:14Z Bobzilla http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#1702ff20-9680-4d92-98c6-d0bf16f0c729 2007-11-24T03:09:39Z 2007-11-24T03:09:39Z

Remember, no one is suggesting that the free apart of Triibe (ad supported), what we have no go away, so those who can't afford a subscription/membership/whatever will still be able to participate.

Bobzilla 2007-11-24T03:09:39Z Crypto http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#b5776bd9-f5e8-4bae-a302-b8d22763ba6a 2007-11-23T22:23:21Z 2007-11-23T22:23:21Z

Sad truth is that the whole idea of consensuality is still working its way into the public's mind. Although, you'd think amoung the "Safety Third" crowd, it wouldn't be so controversial an idea to seek pain.

Crypto 2007-11-23T22:23:21Z P∑ñGuïñ http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#2309d031-729e-4079-8d92-d9b28945b567 2007-11-23T16:04:14Z 2007-11-23T16:04:14Z

So immature content...like a lot of what is posted on THIS tribe....will be free?

P∑ñGuïñ 2007-11-23T16:04:14Z Anathema http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#20d6ae14-b576-4128-8c3b-fdde85206632 2007-11-23T15:39:18Z 2007-11-23T15:39:18Z

Most of what I use Tribe for is the "adult" content. I work on a zine that serves the BDSM community, I am on several tribes where fellow pervs discuss everything from proper aftercare for a spanking scene to perv-friendly beauty services. It's hardly a porntastic free-for-all, and anyone who posts any sort of "oh baby, I want you to lick my big throbbing . . ." is roundly mocked and sent on their way as a troll. I did send Mark a message earlier noting that I think Tribe two biggest constituencies are Burners and kinksters, and that while I think the Burner community has folks on here who are better suited than I to organize, that I would be happy to aid in helping do organizing with the kink community. I guess I find it a little annoying that in a theoretically open-minded community like Burning Man, those of us who engage in a lifestyle of consensual sexual deviancy still get to be considered icky and coerced by our fellow Burners. Okay, I'll admit it, my boyfriend has coerced me into a couple of scenes . . . and they were really hot. Except the tickling. God I hate the tickling.

Anathema 2007-11-23T15:39:18Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#20eb4d99-adf0-4ac9-93cb-081288637c88 2007-11-23T15:27:55Z 2007-11-23T15:27:55Z

Yawn.....

$item.owner.firstName 2007-11-23T15:27:55Z $item.owner.firstName http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#33805dd2-8839-48e6-83ca-56c37d348f1d 2007-11-23T10:32:02Z 2007-11-23T10:32:02Z

Suns I think it was for mature tribes, not profiles, that they were considering charging for.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-11-23T10:32:02Z philosopher http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#8bb093b6-08e2-4a92-8761-cca110024ea6 2007-11-23T06:48:45Z 2007-11-23T06:48:45Z

I think the best way to start would be voluntary donations. If the mature content issue is a problem that wold be solved by registration with a credit card, the charge could be small enough that virtually anyone could afford it. Legal issues should remain separate from fundraising. Our disposable incomes go up and down, but it is best for tribe access to be constant. Just making it easy to donate (no long "CRM" forms) will generate immediate income from the part of the constituency with good superego development.

philosopher 2007-11-23T06:48:45Z Sunshine http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#4e15ce43-1ce3-4102-8766-cc0b08326eb3 2007-11-23T02:56:54Z 2007-11-23T02:56:54Z

As someone who both regularly posts mature content and is perpetually broke, I find myself facing the eventual scenario of being priced out of my own profile!

Sunshine 2007-11-23T02:56:54Z DreamCatcher http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#efd03b3e-04be-4c98-a1ff-ce5932d2d51e 2007-11-22T09:23:53Z 2007-11-22T09:23:53Z

I think Tribe needs a lot of work before I'm willing to pay for it. It's not there yet. It's got a little bit of everything, a whole lot of nothing, and little focus. I think adult content is the only thing that should have a monthly fee on it, at least at this time. I wouldn't pay for it, it's not my thing. But sex sells, and people do and will pay for that. I think if there was some way to I think it will also create enough of an audience buffer that it will allow Tribe to attract some advertising, it needs it to survive.

DreamCatcher 2007-11-22T09:23:53Z Crypto http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#ce38868f-88af-4a2d-bb19-5ec32d93d058 2007-11-21T19:26:17Z 2007-11-21T19:26:17Z

Is the user base currently united? If you really want your friends to see tthose photos you can't email them?

Crypto 2007-11-21T19:26:17Z Bobzilla http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#0dd20ad2-47d1-454d-bb44-9e88d21b51dd 2007-11-21T17:20:48Z 2007-11-21T17:20:48Z

Ohhhh a kitty!

Bobzilla 2007-11-21T17:20:48Z Hotspur http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#280d9f42-ec52-45c2-bb51-ce4bfbba52fa 2007-11-21T16:50:44Z 2007-11-21T16:50:44Z

I think it's a bad idea. Some of my friends can see all the photos I upload, others only some? Creating hierarchies among the user base could easily lead to fragmentation.

Hotspur 2007-11-21T16:50:44Z grouchosuave http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#9e1abd2c-f18f-448f-919e-4bd5fe5bc3b3 2007-11-21T06:56:04Z 2007-11-21T06:56:04Z

What is a prude like you cruising the adult areas anyways?

grouchosuave 2007-11-21T06:56:04Z Linty's Wasted and apparently armed http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#4cfd8505-3df1-4d05-be09-835b798cede6 2007-11-21T06:47:21Z 2007-11-21T06:47:21Z

Bob carefully remove the sharp jagged object imbedded in your left butt cheek and then read this: I did not say that Tribe is a waste of thyme....mmm, I like thyme in my scrambled eggs, but that's not the point....the point, Bob, may I call you Bob, is.....Dammit! What the fuck was my point? Oh, Kitty! Hi! http://tinyurl.com/33y2uu {not mature content, but work safe}

Linty's Wasted and apparently armed 2007-11-21T06:47:21Z Rig http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#58221901-1db3-452e-843f-7ea362223768 2007-11-21T05:13:49Z 2007-11-21T05:13:49Z

You could sort of work it the way it is now. A moderator would declare his tribe "adult" and that would allow "adult" content, the sexy parts shown for instance. If a moderator wanted to keep his site non-adult, he could so declare and then if someone found nasty (hot/sexy/adult) content on his tribe the normal flagging would happen.

Rig 2007-11-21T05:13:49Z Rig http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#a10a1ce6-b38c-49a0-9f85-9c116b5c4938 2007-11-21T05:08:17Z 2007-11-21T05:08:17Z

I like the idea of having to pay a small amount for adult only. It solves the underage problem because you need a credit card to pay. It would be great if it made easier to find the adult sections. If you paid the extra you could search for adult tribes. You can't do now but could a while back. Hugs, Rig Daddy

Rig 2007-11-21T05:08:17Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#326a4410-4bf1-4ec9-8f3b-92de690996d0 2007-11-21T03:47:40Z 2007-11-21T03:45:21Z

By the same token, there are a lot of folks who come here just to play... or 'waste time'... and frankly, my Tribe experience wouldn't be the same without them. For every troll and instigator and creep that pisses me off, there's a thoughtful lurker, a clueless virgin, or a blatant asshole that I can't help but love. If they wanna pay to be here, fine. And if they don't, that's fine too. As long as the structure gives them opportunity to come and waste time with us, I'm happy. Hi Linty! *telepathically pinching your ass right now*

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2007-11-21T03:45:21Z Bobzilla http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#963e03e7-13bb-462b-a785-b0a2d013f980 2007-11-20T23:22:30Z 2007-11-20T23:22:30Z

I don't consider my time on Tribe "wasting time on the net". I work 9 to 5 behind a computer all day, I do tech support so I'm online anyway. Tribe runs in the background all day. I make plans on Tribe to go do real world things with people, collaborate and update each other on projects, search for art events, get recipes, wine tips, restaurant reviews, etc. I get real mileage out of Tribe. $5 bucks a month...I give more to homeless people on the street each month

Bobzilla 2007-11-20T23:22:30Z Linty's Wasted and apparently armed http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#e08f09e8-cb63-4d7a-9a13-ebaad866a6b7 2007-11-20T21:16:14Z 2007-11-20T21:16:14Z

One of Tribes most appealing aspects is the ability for any member to float about and participate in any and all/most tribes. I don't want my aimless wanderings to be moderated by any outside entity. And what is adult content and will the all important appendage reach out to include not only images, but language? Both are under the category "content". Is using the word fuck in the threads considered mature language signifying mature content leading to banishment b/c "we can't have any of that here!" Fuck that. And by the way....I'm not paying for Tribe access. I love you fuckers and all, but payment would force me to feel obligated to waste time on the net as opposed to mountain climbing or washing the dishes or working. You see, paying for Tribe would ruin my life. That is all. Carry on. Hi Dusty! *emphatically waving at the monitor and blowing kisses*

Linty's Wasted and apparently armed 2007-11-20T21:16:14Z Gary http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#8a463955-dbd3-4da5-a4b9-ef2d41977173 2007-11-20T20:32:33Z 2007-11-20T20:32:33Z

This makes sense.....wow that would be a cool feature.....

Gary 2007-11-20T20:32:33Z Bobzilla http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#e85c8552-f2c8-47a9-aba7-e4f363fdf029 2007-11-20T20:22:51Z 2007-11-20T20:22:51Z

But what people want is what I call a "you're dead to me" button. Where if I enable this I see nothing you post anywhere, it's as if you're no longer on the site.

Bobzilla 2007-11-20T20:22:51Z Gary http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#409bee56-9766-4eb6-ab02-e87f24456957 2007-11-20T20:08:24Z 2007-11-20T20:08:24Z

Ahhhhh there is an ignore feature. It's been there for a long time.

Gary 2007-11-20T20:08:24Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#3abd5812-82bd-4aa6-b16d-c00cee74f731 2007-11-20T19:16:17Z 2007-11-20T19:16:17Z

"I'm wondering who would classify "adult", though." The million dollar question.

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2007-11-20T19:16:17Z Brody http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#0f5df9fb-52b1-4296-b185-e5b076c6d0c9 2007-11-20T19:02:31Z 2007-11-20T19:02:31Z

I'm wondering who would classify "adult", though. Would the Polyamory tribes be considered adult? Even though the focus isn't explicit sex, but relationships with multiple people, would that equal adult? How about the Fine Art Nude photography tribes? Or are we just talking OBVIOUSLY adult tribes like the porn-esque tribes?

Brody 2007-11-20T19:02:31Z Bobzilla http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#0fbb7ce4-63df-4d40-a4a1-3edbb76aa70c 2007-11-20T03:48:19Z 2007-11-20T03:48:19Z

Part of the problem with multiple levels of paid membership is that unless there are substantial benefits for the higher levels, people cheap out and buy the lowest level. Just like BM tickets, I *know* there are lots of people who can afford higher priced tickets that get the cheapest tier one tickets. Any tiered system has to plan to make their projected financial goal achievable if 100% go for the cheapest option, then anyone who goes for a higher level is just gravy.

Bobzilla 2007-11-20T03:48:19Z grouchosuave http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#557f2c06-77ae-4e06-b1a5-5141eb2e44e3 2007-11-20T03:47:49Z 2007-11-20T03:47:49Z

Yeah, Thunderdome is a passion play with no real blood. Playing at "badass" Drop the fucker off in the middle of the playa. Not alone. Right next to you, my friend. Face to face with no veils. It would be like that Star Trek episode where Kirk is transported to a rocky wasteland planet to battle a Lizard Warrior. Yeah, it would be JUST like that Star Trek episode

grouchosuave 2007-11-20T03:47:49Z MdJGutie http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#538b5e0f-2871-4a3e-b7b5-1d4387e23bef 2007-11-20T03:44:41Z 2007-11-20T03:44:41Z

Right, and I don't look at that stuff either. I can't. In my head it's all lumped together, and like you said earlier, “who would decide” which is what for the purposes of advertising? If it was paid for by subscribers, that would make the lost ad revenue a moot point. (but I really want an ignore feature).

MdJGutie 2007-11-20T03:44:41Z grouchosuave http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#de9db0fc-380b-4d14-92cc-3332fc1e0ee8 2007-11-20T03:42:51Z 2007-11-20T03:42:51Z

Yeah, what she said and that's even more of a reason to not ghettoize it.

grouchosuave 2007-11-20T03:42:51Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#420e3e79-cb0f-4605-8fe6-fa6f0dd3f6dc 2007-11-20T03:39:42Z 2007-11-20T03:39:42Z

Important to note: Adult content is not porn... at least not on Tribe. A lot of genuine art and mature subject matter has been categorized as 'adult' on Tribe. We're not talking about porn here, we're talking about adult content.

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2007-11-20T03:39:42Z MdJGutie http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#e0c8d529-f956-487d-bc82-5d5379a369c2 2007-11-20T03:38:33Z 2007-11-20T03:36:18Z

I'd be all for it. I don't do porn. I feel sorry for the actors and/or models and that takes any of the fun out of it. I think I may have spent too much time working with abused kids. In a two tiered plan, I'd pay, but I'd really, really, really like an ignore feature.

MdJGutie 2007-11-20T03:36:18Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#733e4e0f-f0a7-4a6f-91be-b3c68c4b6f11 2007-11-20T03:33:24Z 2007-11-20T03:29:55Z

I guess the 3 level plan was my own interpretation. He mentioned a 'higher paid' subscription... implying there would be a 'lower paid' subscription. A 2 level plan... free and paid (which includes access to adult content) would be fine by me. It's the idea of segregating the paid memberships that doesn't sit right with me for some reason. It also sounds like he's floating the idea to test the waters and see what we think. We should let him know what we think.

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2007-11-20T03:29:55Z Bobzilla http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#c24fbff6-2734-4676-8572-15ca68969e00 2007-11-20T03:21:40Z 2007-11-20T03:21:40Z

I don't see where there is any indication of a three level plan. Mark said it "might make sense" for an adult content level, but that they were working on plan now. I'm going to wait and see what they come back with. Regardless I plan on joining and also paying for a friend who *can't afford it*, as opposed to *won't pay it".

Bobzilla 2007-11-20T03:21:40Z Crypto http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#437b0dfb-9d03-43a3-9da6-458cc610d458 2007-11-20T03:20:03Z 2007-11-20T03:20:03Z

Thunderdome's too good for them. (and coming from me that's something.) No, they need to spend some time in Fluffy Pastel Bunnyland, where the Fluffy Pastel Bunnies are also Gangster Atheist Bunnies. With tommyguns in violin cases. I'm talking serious Bunnies, who don't take shit from no one.

Crypto 2007-11-20T03:20:03Z Rhino http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#3af3ac52-a174-47eb-9fa7-1e7dd173bfd1 2007-11-20T03:18:02Z 2007-11-20T03:18:02Z

Hell, they also need to do something about some of the worst trolls around here. I just left a Creation/Evolution debate site because of a fucktard who called me a liar. Christianoid. Go figure. There are some people who should be forced to spend time at Thunderdome.

Rhino 2007-11-20T03:18:02Z grouchosuave http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#23c9930a-c844-4acc-90fd-7a4436e97e1e 2007-11-20T03:10:32Z 2007-11-20T03:10:32Z

Man, if folks don't know how to adblock on their own by now... Jeebus. Screw a higher price for the adult stuff. Some peoples are on a porn budget, yo. Just gimme a power user membership with some filesharing widgets or some html options and maybe a live tribe/thread activity monitoring sidebar. That would be stylin'.

grouchosuave 2007-11-20T03:10:32Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#279b9b9e-9e84-49cf-8f6e-0a8f237e782f 2007-11-20T03:06:31Z 2007-11-20T03:06:31Z

It sounds like they're talking 3 levels, the highest being 'adult' content. What would be considered 'adult' is anybody's guess.

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2007-11-20T03:06:31Z Crypto http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#a3a682a4-4eb0-4bc2-a7d6-2ca8e127a1f0 2007-11-20T02:59:52Z 2007-11-20T02:59:52Z

Are we talking three total levels? 1 basic. 2 ad blocking 3 adult? I'd like to be able to have adult content on here and having that where it doesn't cause trouble with the "Will Somebody Think of the Children?" crowd makes sense to me. I'd prefer 2 and 3 to be jammed together, with I suppose whatever ID check is needed.

Crypto 2007-11-20T02:59:52Z Dusty Nipples (Kim) http://bm.tribe.net/thread/44a618e6-318c-44ec-a3de-52ed46bdcbf6#89bf6164-5d91-4b26-ba37-b59cd85f518e 2007-11-20T02:57:38Z 2007-11-20T02:57:08Z

Okay, so many have shown their support for Tribe by stating they'd be willing to pay a fee. Let's take the conversation one step further. This from Mark's latest blog entry: "i just want to say that it's been pleasantly overwhelming to hear the level of response and support for tribe. i'll respond en mass to all the posts, comments and emails i couldnt respond to personally (yet:). feels like jimmy steward in a wonderful life with everyone offering to help save the old savings and loan (replace with old community site). darren has been working on a plan to offer a monthly paid subscription with a goal of generating enough revenue to pay for a full-time engineer/dba. (anyone want that job? email at@tribe.net). we plan to put out an email to all tribe users and post to the blog too. someone also suggested a higher paid subscription for accessing the adult sections which is also the content that has been totally non-monetizable and made it harder for us to attract advertisers so that might make sense." QUESTION: What do you think about a higher paid subscription for accessing adult sections?

Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2007-11-20T02:57:08Z