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The DMV is not allowing La Contessa to sail the Playa any longer. Apparently too much mayhem.
I say: bullshit! What art car can match La Contessa?
Fuck the DMV.
I say: bullshit! What art car can match La Contessa?
Fuck the DMV.
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 11:56 AMI agree! What are they saying is the problem. Too much Mayhem, what f**king mayhem are they talking about, This doesn't make any sence to me at all.
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 11:57 AMAre you f-ing KIDDING me?!! One of the FIRST things I describe to Virgins is La Contessa.
And how much mayhem are we talking? And in fact, just how much mayhem is too much mayhem for goddamn Burning Man?! What's next to go? Drakka? Thunderdome? (I've seen the posts on other threads regarding BMorg shit that Death Guild evidently takes).
Now to be fair, I could see restricting La Contessa to the open playa only. It was right in front of my camp when she ran down the "No art cars beyond this point" sign in the middle of Dubious last year. I can see her being a tad large for the streets, but on the open playa she's still magnificent. -
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 12:05 PMFirst, let me take off my Ranger Hat, and make it perfectly clear that I am posting this as an individual member of the Burning Man Community and NOT as a representative of the Burning Man LLC in any way shape or form.
Yes, La Contessa is an amazing piece of art. La Contessa is exactly what the DMV means when they say "radically modified" If any mutant vehicle deserves to be on the playa, it is she. Unfortunately the operators of La Contessa have completely f*cked up, broken the rules and ignored warnings, surrendered keys, only to produce a 'spare' set and resume driving.
Danger Ranger once said "Air pressure is a privilege, not a right" when he let the air out of the tires of an offending vehicle, that was tried with La Contessa, they reinflated and continued to sail.
The 'mayhem' that Timber speaks of is exactly the problem, repeatedly, night after night, warning after warning. They've used up all their last chances as far as I am concerned (still speaking as an individual here)
These actions obviously leave the DMV no choice but to deny La Contessa and certain other chronic offenders further driving privileges on the Playa.
We had an unfortunate death this past year, involving a Mutant Vehicle. The operators of that vehicle were, by all indications following the rules and operating safely. Imagine what the fallout would have been if it were found that the operators were acting in an unsafe manner, and that the BM org had tried but been unsuccessful in marshalling them to behave. I can only speculate what would have happened, but some possible scenarios could be: ZERO Mutant Vehicles driven on the playa; increased LAW ENFORCEMENT; increased bad publicity; complete DENIAL of the permit to hold the Burning Man event by the BLM, yea that's right NO MORE BURNING MAN!
When the DMV says that you can not: circle around center camp, that you can not drive up and down the Esplanade, that you MUST have spotters walking in front of your large lumbering vehicle with nearly zero driver visibility; please remember that these rules are in place for the overall good of the community, as well as the safety of the other participants. It could very well be your mother, sister, brother, father, boyfriend, girlfriend, best friend, or just some really cute person that you'll never get to meet who ends up being hurt by an errant Mutant Vehicle.
The Rangers & DMV don't like playing hall monitor, it's not any fun, but we like it even less when someone gets hurt because someone else was being stupid.
Please have the maturity to take responsibility for your actions and act in a reasonably safe manner, so that you do not endanger others.
Yeah, I'm going to miss seeing La Contessa on the playa, but I'd rather have that then have to respond to a call where she's got a bike with a person still attatched to it, lodged under her front wheels.
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 12:33 PMI am sorry but when I read daMongolian's post, I feel that burning man is really becoming more and more like everyday society. No I don't want anybody to get hurt. However I think that we all accept that possibility when we go out there. We risk death according to the ticket. Personally I am willing to accept the dangers that exist in exchange for the radical self expression that we all receive.
daMongolian, while I very much appreciate your post and the view of BMO, do not think that you completely took your ranger hat off.
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 12:48 PM<STILL hatless>
Yeah, it's unfortunate that the default world is encroaching more and more into our weeklong fantasy in the desert. But if it's really that awful why do we still go?
2001 was my first year, well after open driving and firearms were banned. Frankly, I'm glad that's the case. I trust myself, and my friends to act responsibly regarding those things, but can I trust the group of 'fratboys' that just pulled in? What about the guy who's trying out a hallucinogen for the first time? Should I be willing to trust that he's not going to flip out and start shooting that AK-47 he brought (in the what if world of firearms still being allowed)
The event & Organization has grown such that they need to accomodate certain demands from the 'default world'
If ya really miss the 'way things were' I hear there's a 'non event' that takes place round the first week of July that you might want to look into, free driving, free shooting whatever you want. No organized camping, no portapotties, no ice. Of course it's still leave no trace.
daMongolian
- Jocko, this isn't directed right at you, but in the direction of 'they' who feel similarly to you.
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 1:21 PM"If ya really miss the 'way things were' I hear there's a 'non event' that takes place round the first week of July"
I know all about No Man. But I still go to the main event because I love it. Yes, I am nolstagic for some of the things from years back. However, there are many ways that the event is better that it was the first time I went out (when fire arms and open playa driving were allowed). Some things have been lost while many other have been gained. There is no question that the event is still the most amazing thing going and a very large part of my life is dedicated to it.
However, I am still saddened by the continued "encroachment". It makes me concerned for the future.
"as for wearing the hat, or not.....the really good Rangers, are born that way, and have a habit of 'helping out' and looking out for others wherever they go, so in that sense I always wear the hat"
We are all better off because of that, and I thank you for the work that you do.
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 12:51 PMAmen, brother. Me, I express myself best with a Colt .45, blindfolded & drunk. Bring back guns! Then you'll see some -really- radical self-expression.
Tim
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 8:31 PMI am sorry but when I read daMongolian's post, I feel that burning man is really becoming more and more like everyday society.
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Re: La Contessa
Sat, April 3, 2004 - 3:02 PMOr is everyday society becoming more and more influenced by BRC?
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Re: La Contessa
Fri, March 26, 2004 - 4:23 AMI hate to say it friend, but long gone are the days of drive-by-shooting ranges. Trusting your friends to do well by themselves works in small groups, but not in groups of 30k.
Welcome to the disneyisation of something beautifull. Sure the degredation of the extremism may be a sad sight. Inevitably the new blood and the exposure to the greater moral majority will be greater creatitivity (we hope!).
I say more people, more creativity, more rules, blahblahblah, jesus saves.
Go out to the desert with a bunch of your wierdo friends and blow shit up on your own time.
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Re: La Contessa
Fri, March 26, 2004 - 8:09 PMWell, if BMan is becoming more like everyday society in that society enforces penalties for morons who choose to act in an unsafe and irresponsible manner, and persist in doing so when warned about their lack of responsibility, and continue to persist in doing so even after penalty measures have been taken, then I can't really complain.
Burning Man isn't about free love. It is a private event. The organizers of the event have a responsibility to all the participants to do what they need to do to ensure they can all come out and play next year. If that means a group that is determined to be irresponsible to the point of putting other participants and the event itself in danger gets told not to come back, I really can't have a problem with that.
ANY society needs a means for enforcing the rules that are necessary for when personal and COMMUNITY responsibility fails in certain individuals. I'd rather La Contessa got bounced than they kill someone for their irresponsibility.
Finally, Yes, hon. You're defending La Contessa's irresponsibility. I liked them, too, but hiding their irresponsibility by saying the people around them need to be ~more~ responsible is still hiding their irresponsibility.
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Re: La Contessa
Sun, March 28, 2004 - 12:06 PMActually it isn't about the Contessa and rules. It's about the fact that someone was killed a few years ago falling off a very compliant rule respecting art car. It's about LIABILTY. Sadly.
And it's about all kinds of things including free love--- it's just that the default world makes itself felt and known because that is -reality-
and as we all know reality bites.
No need to suck up to it by jumping on the 'this is the best of all worlds bandwagon' and act like you enjoy being more and more restricted..
responsible people kill others all the time!
irresponbile people cheat death everyday.
that is why people get so screwed up in the head when bad things happen....
I DID EVERYTHING I WAS SUPPOSED TO DO!
And still bad things happen.
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 11:59 AMYeah, it sucks when people don't follow the rules, especially when those "rules" are for everyone's safety. La Contessa was an amazing work of art, unfortunately the people who built her continued to operate her in decidely unsafe fashion after being made aware of the situation time and time again. -
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 12:06 PMthe whole fire thing is pretty unsafe if you want to get picky, dagnabit!
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 12:23 PMYeah, sure....fire is dangerous, fire is hot, you could get burned, you could get hurt, you could DIE. READ YOUR TICKET!
But I'm sure everyone would agree that firing a flamethrower blindly into a crowd of people is a BAD thing.
It's called common sense and not deliberatly exposing others to undue danger.
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Re: La Contessa
Fri, March 26, 2004 - 7:39 AMI get a bit worried when "officials" tell me that I'm in danger and need protection. Isn't this how we got the Patriot act? It sounds to me as if Damongolian was just wearing his hat on a different part of his anatomy.
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Re: La Contessa
Fri, March 26, 2004 - 1:00 PMOk. Fair enough... Now let us suppose that you are in that crowd minding your own busisness having a good time. When someone else decides to say, launch a bottle rocket into the crowd and it blows up next to you and catches your shirt on fire. Now let's say your shirt is a polyester shirt and you have now attained burns to only 12% of your body (Half of your back, and half of one arm) not to mention the polyester shirt is now stuck to your skin. Let us also suppose in the hypothetical bad situation that approximately 40% of your burned skin is a 2nd degree burn. Are you going to live, yes. But what of the bills? Do you go home and try and recover yourself hoping the burns do not become infected? Or do you go to the hospital and hope you can pay the bill?
Also what about the anger you may feel afterwords? Will you be upset that someone else was not looking out for your safety and trying to prevent such forms of chaos and mayhem which might result in bad situations such as this? Oh that's right you assumed that all would be safe when you went into the crowd and never expected a bottle rocket to go off near you which means that there is no need for "protection".
BTW, Mongolean is not an "official" he is someone who voulenteers his time to help others of the community. He cares much for this community, more than I have seen from a lot of people in the outside world regarding issues they are concerned with.
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Re: La Contessa
Sat, March 27, 2004 - 9:23 AM
<<Ok. Fair enough... Now let us suppose that you are in that crowd minding your own busisness having a good time. When someone else decides to say, launch a bottle rocket into the crowd and it blows up next to you and catches your shirt on fire. Now let's say your shirt is a polyester shirt and you have now attained burns to only 12% of your body (Half of your back, and half of one arm) not to mention the polyester shirt is now stuck to your skin. Let us also suppose in the hypothetical bad situation that approximately 40% of your burned skin is a 2nd degree burn. Are you going to live, yes. But what of the bills? Do you go home and try and recover yourself hoping the burns do not become infected? Or do you go to the hospital and hope you can pay the bill? >>
Way too many what ifs. Joan Baez was once asked if she would shoot someone trying to rape her grandmother. Her reply was that it was extremely unlikely that anyone would rape her grandmother even more unlkely that she would be there if that did happen and inconceivable that she would have a gun to shoot anybody. Hypothetical cases are responsible for a lot of personal losses of freedom.
When Damongolian talks about taking off his hat he is insinuating that with the "hat" on he considers himself to be some sort of official of BMorg. Just because you are not paid for what you do, does not mean that you are not in the position of " being official"
John
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Re: La Contessa
Wed, March 31, 2004 - 10:38 PM"I get a bit worried when "officials" tell me that I'm in danger and need protection."
Um, actually, it's not officials saying this, it's your fellow community members and the Volunteers who voluntarily run this beloved and cool event. Oh. And it's also members of the Burning Man Mutant Vehicle community.
Burning Man is still cool. It will always be cool. Even when it's hosted by Bob Barker and Mr. deMille comes in for his close up. You'll see. There will be Showgirls. You're gonna LOVE it! In fact, I've already heard rumors that next year's theme is Vegas Lounge.
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Re: La Contessa
Wed, March 31, 2004 - 10:43 PMYou: "I get a bit worried when "officials" tell me that I'm in danger and need protection."
Then I: "Um, actually, it's not officials saying this, it's your fellow community members and the Volunteers who voluntarily run this beloved and cool event. Oh. And it's also members of the Burning Man Mutant Vehicle community."
Oops. Forgot a part. Your fellow Burning Man community members are not telling you that you are in danger and need protection. They are saying that they are in danger and they need protection. You just happen to be standing next to them. You have excellent taste. :)
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Re: La Contessa
Wed, March 31, 2004 - 10:31 PM"the whole fire thing is pretty unsafe if you want to get picky"
It's less safe when someone is blowing it in your face, even after you ask them to please stop. If you want to get pickier.
xx,
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 12:19 PMI loved Contessa to BUUUUUUUUT I am amazed that they hadn't killed anyone. That ship had been caught NUMEROUS times driving 20-30+ mph, in the middle of the night, with no lights and a drunk driver. They could have run someone over and not even known it.
Now, I'm no safety nazi, but dealing with them got to the point of ridiculous effort. They'd be stopped for speeding, promise never to do it angain, do it again, promise that it won't happen again, it would happen again, swear that they would behave themselves, go and do it again... and so on. Since their past behavior indicated that nothing would change, what else could the DMV hotties do?
La Contessa isn't barred from entrance to BM, it just will be denied a driving permit. It will still be a beautifull, stationary art sculpture.
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 12:06 PMI love La Contessa as much as the next person, but maybe they had good reasons for barring her from the playa? I will miss her ghostly stealth and sheer beauty, but according to the letter from BMOrg to Extra Action (posted on EAMB's website) they were driving an enormous vehicle with no lights on it at a fairly high speed, narrowly missing running down people out on the open playa AND apparently running over fences...sounds like a little more than mayhem. However, I know there's multiple aspects to every story...but what this also probably means is no more Extra Action at BM (they seemed understandably pissed on the website)...and that alone can make a girl cry herself to sleep.
The part that I think is bullshit is that apparently (was told this by one of EAMB's members) they didn't allow La Contessa to be stored at the Ranch in the off-season. I mean, we're talking about what is probably the most amazing vehicle the playa has ever seen and they had to put it somewhere else? Where the hell do you keep a full-size Spanish galleon?
By they way, try to catch their new Black Sabbath set...fuck I love those guys...
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 12:18 PM<snip>
The part that I think is bullshit is that apparently (was told this by one of EAMB's members) they didn't allow La Contessa to be stored at the Ranch in the off-season. I mean, we're talking about what is probably the most amazing vehicle the playa has ever seen and they had to put it somewhere else? Where the hell do you keep a full-size Spanish galleon?
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This needs to be put into a little bit of perspective. ALL artists, who were storing art/vehicles on the Work Ranch were asked to remove their property after the event this year. This was done to help bring the ranch into compliance with county codes so that the permits to use the ranch as a staging area in the future. Unfortunate, but true. I'm sure there were some exceptions, accomodations made, but it makes much more sense for those to be made for those who have been cooperative in the past, than for those who have chronically been a thorn in the side (La Contessa, not EAMB)
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 1:22 PMThey had it up a while ago when this all came down...they also posted it in the EAMB tribe postings...check it out there if possible.
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 1:35 PM<i>The part that I think is bullshit is that apparently (was told this by one of EAMB's members) they didn't allow La Contessa to be stored at the Ranch in the off-season</i>
the contessa was at the ranch for most of last summer. and as someone who got to help clean up some of the mess left behind by the contessa and lots of other projects that were "stored" at the dpw ranch at little to no cost to the artists, i can say that's just too bad that they don't get to keep storing it there.
the dpw and burning man didn't build the thing, why should they have to store it?
and more to the point, it wasn't anything 'personal' against the contessa, so they need to get past it: ALL the big projects were removed from the ranch and the place has been completely cleaned up and organized.
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 12:19 PMFor those wondering what (or which one) La Contessa is:
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 12:37 PM>>Where the hell do you keep a full-size Spanish galleon?<<
Should also be noted that they did receive free parking for several years, grant money to create it, access to it for fundraising events while at the ranch, comp tickets, etc.
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 12:47 PMGood points all. And I was unaware of the multiple warning, etc. Except for the one incident that I mentioned above, I hadn't seen or heard anythign else. Yeah if they're behaving like a-holes, sometimes you gotta take the toys away.
Hey can you just take away the keys and give them to another camp, like mine for example? ;)
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 1:05 PM"Yeah if they're behaving like a-holes, sometimes you gotta take the toys away"
Ya know, on second thought, I'm kinda glad that it won't be comming back. Like The Farside and Calvin'n'Hobbs. They ended before they became stale and will always have wonderfull memories in my head.
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 1:17 PMI for one would be more than happy to be killed by La Contessa. I'd be fucking ecstatic. -
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 1:24 PMThat would be one hell of a way to go. What would your head stone say?
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Re: La Contessa
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 1:28 PM> What would your head stone say?
"Crushed by Cacophanous Idiots"
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 1:44 PMThanks for the info.A shot of Tequila is headed your way!
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 1:47 PMSo, just when I am finally going to BM for the first time, you guys decide to pull the best things out !! Great ! :((( -
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 1:51 PMahhh honey trust me.... Contessa is but one of the GREAT things on the playa..... theres many many more.... you'll see....
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 1:37 PMThe DMV, DPW, Rangers, BRC citizens, ART car owners, artists, safety is everyones' resposibility at BM. Yes the ticket says the buyer accepts the risk of death, however it does not say you have the freedom to put anyones life at risk of injury or death through blatant and repeated disregard of common sense, safety is clearly stressed to all participants. Drink lots of water, stake your camp down properly for stong winds, observe posted speed limits, no DUI of moving vehicles etc. so when the DMV refuses to license an offender all the better. BM has grown too large population wise for A-holes to be acting as if they are the only ones out on the playa. If you feel this is bullshit there is another playa you could go to where there is obvious disregard for human life, I think it goes by the name of the Sunni-Triangle. -
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 3:26 PMJust a thought here, and no one has to agree with me (which never happens anyway), but...
I am glad it was BMorg that made the decision to not allow La Contessa to sail anymore and not the Washoe County Sherriff or the other numerous 'law enforcement' agencies out there. This means to me that there still is an element of BMan, and it's organization, that has not been infiltrated by government bureaucracy. It means that we are still capable of taking care of ourselves out there, somewhat. And just that ability to make the rules separates Burning Man from your local, run-of-the-mill 'Chamber of Commerce' event, for example. So I guess there is something positive in that...right?
And one last thing, there is nothing in this world that is constant except the guarantee that things will change. So this year, which project will surpass La Contessa? Which band will be better than the EAMB? Yours? Discuss... -
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 6:08 PM"And one last thing, there is nothing in this world that is constant except the guarantee that things will change. So this year, which project will surpass La Contessa? Which band will be better than the EAMB? Yours? Discuss... "
and THAT is exactly what this thread should be about!!!
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 11:29 PMRodent, thank you very much! I feel validated this eve...
p/s. there was something screaming acros the street just now...gotta wonder about them neighbors...
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 2:09 PMLa Contessa was beautiful and an amazing sight to see sailing across the playa. But this is Burning Man not Disneyland with a bunch of set rides and attractions. La Contessa had a good run for two years but if you start seeing the same stuff every year the playa starts looking pretty damn stale. I go to Black Rock to see whats been created throughout the year not for a repeat of the last year. I may be wrong but isn't one of the reasons we burn our art is to reduce it to a memory and so we can build something even more fabulous and amazing the next year??? Isn't this all about letting go and rebuilding not rehashing the same thing over and over again? I would be far more impressed if the owners of La Contessa dragged it out into the open playa and burned it down then hearing them complain about not getting a dmv license because of their own negligance. -
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 2:16 PMHey Rev
> I would be far more impressed if the owners of La Contessa
> dragged it out into the open playa and burned it down then
> hearing them complain about not getting a dmv license because
> of their own negligance.
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 2:24 PMUm, no they haven't. This isn't a new development--EAMB found out that La Contessa wasn't going to be allowed to sail the playa months ago. They posted about it back then...and that's also when they had the BMOrg letter on their site. Check out their old tribe posts and see if it's still there, otherwise I believe someone above posted a link to where you can find the letter on the EAMB site.
They're probably not posting about it because it's old news and they've moved on to new ideas...like their kick-ass new set. Mmm...flag girls with rifles....
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 2:24 PMOk my bad and apologies to EAMB tribe for saying that. I still say Burn The Motherfucker though :-) -
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 2:52 PM>>I still say Burn The Motherfucker though<<
That was the original intention, but because they didn't finish building it until Thursday or Friday the first year, they negotiated with Burnign Man LLC to keep it at the Ranch. It was never meant to carry over to last year, but like a lot of the "Pirate Art" from the Floating World theme, it got recycled. -
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Thank You
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 3:34 PMYour Mom would like to Thank You.
Thank you all.
Your Guys have made Your Mom laugh uncontrollably today.
There are SO MANY lies/roumors/distortions in this tread,
it's actually funny.
It'd be more funny if these lies/roumors/distortions,
weren't taken as "facts"
A few examples:
"Danger Ranger once said "Air pressure is a privilege, not a right" when he let the air out of the tires of an offending vehicle, that was tried with La Contessa, they reinflated and continued to sail."
Never happened.
"your large lumbering vehicle with nearly zero driver visibility"
Cause you drove her, and you know, right?
No wait, you didn't. So you don't know.
But it fits in with your side of the story, so who cares.
"That ship had been caught NUMEROUS times driving 20-30+ mph, in the middle of the night, with no lights and a drunk driver. They could have run someone over and not even known it."
This one is great. She doesn't even DO 30+ mph, but boy you're "sure" it happend "NUMEROUS" times, with a drunk driver no less, you know, cause you gave the test yourself, right?
No lights? Don't you mean, no lights except the huge flood lights?
No wait, you mean, no BLINKY lights.
Geeze, how un-burningman.....
RE: burn it "That was the original intention"
Chai Guy, source please? You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you? What would one do with the burned out bus inside? You know there's a bus inside? Of course you do, you know all that is La Contessa.
Once again, Your Mom would like to thank all of you.
You've all shown Your Mom another example of Human Nature.
Your Mom knows this all falls on deaf ears, cause, you all
KNOW FOR SURE what happened.
You all have your "facts"
Besides, those guys are all ASSHOLES!!!!
But, who the fuck really cares, cause
LA CONTESSA.......BANNED FROM BURNINGMAN!!!!!
Hugs and Kisses,
Your Mom
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Re: Thank You
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 5:54 PM
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"Danger Ranger once said "Air pressure is a privilege, not a right" when he let the air out of the tires of an offending vehicle, that was tried with La Contessa, they reinflated and continued to sail."
Never happened.
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OK fine, but they did on numerous occasions receive a final warning, and agree not to drive again, only to be driving later on. It is very possible I was thinking of the air being let out of one of the other chronic offenders.
I am pretty darn sure she DID have her keys confiscated, only to have another set reappear.
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"your large lumbering vehicle with nearly zero driver visibility"
Cause you drove her, and you know, right?
No wait, you didn't. So you don't know.
But it fits in with your side of the story, so who cares.
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No, you're right. I never drove her, hell I never even set foot on her. (sadly)
I think it's a safe assumption that the DMV Hottie who made the original approval to drive sat in the drivers seat to assess the visibility from the drivers seat. And based upon that assessment made the stipulation that there would always be spotters walking in front of the vehicle for safety.
I DID however see Monster Nation 3 episode that featured La Contessa. For those who didn't see this episode, there is one clip showing the view from inside the 'cockpit' with one of the the creators driving her, remarking that he 'has pretty much zero visibility from here' This is NOT a direct quote, but from my memory. If you really want, I can look when I get home, to see if I still have the episode and I'll get the exact quote. -
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Re: Thank You
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 11:02 PMhere we go, From the Monster Garage episode pertaining to La Contessa.
voice over: ."..once this ship of the desert gets rolling it's best to just get out of La Contessa's way"
Simon: "Gotta have a pilot upstairs, cause I can't see much from down here."
It then cuts to a pretty obstructed view from just to the right of the drivers seat.
>I< certainly wouldn't want to be the one responsible for driving it without spotters walking in front of me.
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Re: Thank You
Fri, March 26, 2004 - 10:25 AM<<<Snip>
"Danger Ranger once said "Air pressure is a privilege, not a right" when he let the air out of the tires of an offending vehicle, that was tried with La Contessa, they reinflated and continued to sail."
Never happened.
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OK fine, but they did on numerous occasions receive a final warning, and agree not to drive again, only to be driving later on. It is very possible I was thinking of the air being let out of one of the other chronic offenders.
I am pretty darn sure she DID have her keys confiscated, only to have another set reappear.>>
OK so maybe Iraq didn't have WMDs, and maybe we fabricated the al-qaida-Iraq connection but we had other good reasons to invade Iraq.
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Re: Thank You
Fri, March 26, 2004 - 7:47 PM"I am pretty darn sure she DID have her keys confiscated, only to have another set reappear."
Pretty darn sure?
Pretty darn sure?
Wait a second:
"Rangers do not talk about things about which they do not have first hand knowledge"
Mmmmmmmmmm........bring on the backpeddlin'....AGAIN!
Hugs and kisses,
Your Mom
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Re: Thank You
Sun, March 28, 2004 - 6:45 AMHmmmmm.... That's interesting...
Am I blind, or did you really not provide a ~single~ counter example? Do you have any? How do you know La Contessa wouldn't do more than 30mph?
Oh, I'm sorry! What's that?! You had no intention to begin with of adding anything meaningful to the discussion? Oh! I'm sorry. I missed that part.
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 3:42 PMI would cry. Can't she just get stolen by a better pirate crew that will obey playa law? -
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Thu, March 25, 2004 - 4:16 PMOK, perhaps the speedometer didn't read 30+....there are plenty of eyewitness reports on file of the galleon: speeding at well above the very, very, very clearly posted speed limit of 5 miles an hour; operating with an inebriated driver; operating with no lights on; nearly colliding with other cars; not having walkers to warn foot traffic out of the way....and when one driver would comply and go back to camp, another would grab the keys and head back out again. -
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 4:31 PMQ: How many burners does it take to change a lightbulb?
A; Ten, one to get the lightbulb and nine to complain about how the old lightbulb was so much better.
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Thu, March 25, 2004 - 4:35 PMAgreed. Drunk driving is Is Absolutley Wrong. I will miss the Contessa though...
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 7:17 PM>>RE: burn it "That was the original intention"
Chai Guy, source please? You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you? What would one do with the burned out bus inside? You know there's a bus inside? Of course you do, you know all that is La Contessa. <<
Yep, I know there is a bus under there. Source = Badger, a ranger, on Eplaya BBS. And your side of the story is?? You were going to drive it back to S.F.??
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 8:38 PMI also whole heartedly agree. A community is far more than cool art. I have spent months out there and seen some pretty bad accidents without there being a soul around let alone 30,000 fucked up to the gills partyers and and a fifteen ton behemoth taht has NO VISIBILITY. Reminder it is about building community, not who can be the biggest moron. -
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 11:09 PMseen some pretty bad accidents without there being a soul around
Yep... ya gotta watch for those damned "Playa Worms" cuz they can be killer..... Have ya seen em??? they get big and nasty and can flip a vehicle.....
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Thu, March 25, 2004 - 8:42 PM>Q: How many burners does it take to change a lightbulb?
>A; Ten, one to get the lightbulb and nine to complain about
>how the old lightbulb was so much better.
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Re: How many burners...
Fri, March 26, 2004 - 4:59 PMWe should start a tribe dedicated to it!!
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 11:06 PMwould cry. Can't she just get stolen by a better pirate crew that will obey playa law?
but then they wouldnt be a "better pirate crew" they would just be a crew.... :)
Thats not a bad thing...
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Re: La Contessa
Fri, March 26, 2004 - 6:49 PMBURN IT!
Burn it on open playa! Hell, the DMV can drive it out there with spotters out, if EAMB will agree to burn it.
I mean, does it really have another future? Job retraining? Teach it to float?
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Re: La Contessa
Fri, March 26, 2004 - 12:49 PMi am so torn about how i feel about this - my first year at burning man was '93 i loved the mayhem - the danger - the honing of survival instincts - and last year my art car was shut down by the DMV...it was a fabulous tranformation of my pick-up into a faux fur cop car with a jail cel in the back and a disco ball and a bar and a clothes rack - yes, we were the fashion police - deputising fabulous outfits and arresting those not in the visual spirit...they said it still looked like a car - well NO SHIT - it's suppose to be a playa style cop car! They said that people fucked up needing help might think we were the real cops - Ok - if there is a drug out there that makes you think that a faux fur cop car with a black light siren blasting a mix of the dream police with a break beat underscore is a real cop - can someone get me some of that!?We are the Fucking fashion police!? GET IT?
As it turned out we took the long way home form the dmv and dressed people in costume anyways and i had people tracking me down later that week to let me know what a difference having a fun costume had made their BM experience.
Sorry I went off my little tangent but boy did I long for the days of old school spirit.
On the other hand - I feel as the experiment in community has grown - it has had to police itself and there were a lot less people out there in 93 than 2003....and i live in la and not having to know where my car keys were made my experience there even better.
But the Contessa is a fabulous and wonderful art car! No, I don't want anyone to die, and i think that i enjoy burning man as much now as i did back then - last year i was blown away by the amount af amazing art i saw - and yes i understand the situation of keeping the press positive and the real cops at bay and the bml land use situation - but all this makes me kinda want to say - BRING BACK THE MAYHEM! VIVA LA CONTESSA! -
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Re: La Contessa
Fri, March 26, 2004 - 1:10 PMThe problem I'm starting to see more and more each year is what the event is centered around. Art. One person's piece of amazing artwork is another person's trash.
Sounds like you had a neat car. What about painting your car bright pink or some other color you would never see on a police car? Unfotunately from what little you described I can see how very easy it can be for some people to confuse your vehicle with a real police car.
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Re: La Contessa
Fri, March 26, 2004 - 3:09 PMWhat about staging an elaborate guerrilla theater piece where you pretend to run over several stoned burners in your 50' school bus boat?
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Politically Incorrect Theme Camp
Fri, March 26, 2004 - 4:31 PMTwo burns back, I suggested to a Jewish friend that he run a Nazi concentration camp, and that he could be the Fuhrer. It would be hilarious. And he loved the idea, but as we talked about it, we both realized that many people on the playa, even those who espouse "radical self-expression," would hypocritically condemn *that* sort of expression.
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Re: Politically Incorrect Theme Camp
Fri, March 26, 2004 - 5:42 PMThere was a similar posting on the Rangers list a while ago about a similar idea. The idea was to create a camp and call it a "Concentration Camp." The objective was to kidnap people and put them in the camp. They could only leave only if they managed to win so many games of concentration. The camp would also be surrounded by concertina wire and have guard towers. the wire and towers aren't there to keep people in, rahter to keep everyone out. For people who had families who had been in concentration camps in the past the idea hit a little too close to home for them. -
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Re: Politically Incorrect Theme Camp
Fri, March 26, 2004 - 6:46 PMRedtux,
for the record...that wasn't the Ranger's list...it was that other list you're on =)
Last year some friends of mine and I toyed with the idea of a takeofff on Jonestown
Unfortunately the guy we had picked to be the "Rev" shot the idea down. (his name fit with the takeoff we were going to do) He wasn't comfortable with the idea.
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Re: Politically Incorrect Theme Camp
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Re: Politically Incorrect Theme Camp
Fri, April 2, 2004 - 5:23 PMA group of friends I knwo did this exact idea last year - Koolaid and all :)
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Re: Politically Incorrect Theme Camp
Tue, April 6, 2004 - 12:37 PM"Two burns back, I suggested to a Jewish friend that he run a Nazi concentration camp, and that he could be the Fuhrer. It would be hilarious. And he loved the idea, but as we talked about it, we both realized that many people on the playa, even those who espouse "radical self-expression," would hypocritically condemn *that* sort of expression."
Let me see if I understand, you convinced yourselves out of doing a project based on how you assumed others would react?
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Re: La Contessa
Fri, March 26, 2004 - 3:16 PMdammit - where were you with these killer ideas when we needed you!? -
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Re: La Contessa
Fri, March 26, 2004 - 4:47 PMTee-hee... Five years ago we had an art car that was a golf cart covered in astro turf with huge bull horns strapped to the front, faux fur seating, tons of homemade offensive right wing bumberstickers, and two guys in golf outfits, bags and all, yelling conservative "country club" type statements at everyone... It was abslolutely hilarious. People tend to take their spritiual/hippy stuff so seriously at Burning Man (especially me.) The DMV at the time told us it was "not artistic enough" so we fashioned an 8" tall cruxifix on the back and would tie people to it as we drive around acting like snobs. Not too much point here, but it's amazing what people get offended by.... let's push more boundaries, not just open up more meditation tents.... radical shit to get EVERYONE to open their mind. -
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Fri, March 26, 2004 - 5:13 PMFor the radical self descruction, not like it used to be, it's not fair, etc. crowd...
Volunteer some time this year walking point for an art car.
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Re: La Contessa
Sat, March 27, 2004 - 9:55 AMI disageree. Look at the number of deaths and serious injuries that happen every year at the major motorcylce rallys. 28 fatalities in three years at bike week and biketoberfest in florida alone.
I too will mourn The Loss of Contessa. I would love to see her burned. Then the burn out shell of the bus donated to a scrap yard.
As for the DMV hotties and the fashion police car. I never saw the car, but I do think (from first hand expeirence and others similar tales) they were making too many judgement calls on what is "art".
Mom, thanks for keeping our radars up, an important and sometimes thankless job.
Rangers, thanks for doing your jobs, but remember, dont keep me safe from my actions.
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, April 1, 2004 - 12:32 PMThere's been plenty of serious injuries at buringman and on the highway home. It hasn't stopped it and shouldn't. If people can fall out of rollercoasters at Great America and the place still runs....
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, April 1, 2004 - 12:34 PMLook folks -- like I said before SHIT HAPPENS to completely sober decent folk and people die! Im not saying we shouldn't have saftey rules and rangers etc.... But BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE ALL THE TIME AND OFTEN NO ONE IS AT FAULT.
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Re: La Contessa
Fri, March 26, 2004 - 5:15 PMMy dream project:
Going to show up at the gate with a pickuptruck, a big BBQ pit, a chainsaw and A LIVE COW!!!
Yes, I wan't to cruze around the back streets with the living cow in the back, drawing the dotted line cuts of meat right on it's living hide, shouting at people, "You want a RIB, I'll put your name right on it, You want some tritip, I'll put your name right on it.
Then come Sunday, we'll slaughter the fucker, have a nice big evap pond for the blood, strip the innards (probably give that over to DPW or commisary, they'll make SOMETHING with it). Then come on by, we'll hand you the chainsaw and an apron, "You cut it, You cook it, You eat it". Carnivorousness at it's most blantant!
it'll piss soooooo many people off.
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Re: La Contessa
Fri, March 26, 2004 - 5:43 PM>> One negligent death or serious injury would likely be the
>> end of the Burningman festival.
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Money n stuff...
Sat, March 27, 2004 - 1:49 PMahh... think money politics and whatnot. BM is still a somewhat alternative event even though most of us might beg to differ. Football on the other hand brings in BIG BIG money. When someone dies at a sporting event we all call it tragic yet nothing is really done. BIG money talks and usualy get's what it wants. BM on the other hand most people don't understand, and what they don't understand they are either weary or afraid of. When I speak about the event to people the most common response I get is along the lines of "Isn't it that drugged out naked event in California?" I understand that BM is the largest external income source for the BLM and there are many busisness who make a living catering to the BM community, yet overall the money is pretty small. Remember there are no endorsements and there's BIG money to made there. This is one reason why each year there are surveys done to ask people where they go on their way to the event and how much they spend there. The money people spend surrounding the event however is BIG money, but it's mostly indirect. -
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Re: Money n stuff...
Sat, March 27, 2004 - 3:21 PMFrom everything that I have read about last years deaths(there was two). The local and state law enforcement basically said they were accidents and the event was not to blame. Also they said amazingly enough we have a damn good safety record. In an average town of 30,000+ people you would expect an average of like five deaths a week. So it would take something pretty herendous for them to shut us down.
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Re: La Contessa
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Re: La Contessa
Sat, March 27, 2004 - 9:58 AMLMAO- "Ill carv off what I want, and ride the rest home!!" -
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Re: La Contessa
Sat, March 27, 2004 - 1:46 PMLMAO- "Ill carv off what I want, and ride the rest home!!"
now THAT's a visual.... LOL!!!
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Re: La Contessa
Sat, March 27, 2004 - 1:12 PMi'm with ya on this one!
charlie@maybe.i'm.just.hungry.right.now
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SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!!!
Wed, March 31, 2004 - 9:11 PMContessa should face some other art car, say Draka in a demolition derbey of sorts... Ok so it was a crazy ideas which came up amongst friends... :-) While I don't see it happening it is a funny idea. -
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Wed, March 31, 2004 - 9:46 PMI don't thing the contessa stands a chance against DRAKKA.....
not if the fire gets the contessa first.
I would love to see that....
...even though is a crazy Idea and all.....
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Re: SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!!!
Wed, March 31, 2004 - 9:48 PMContessa Vs. The Shark (the other problem car last year)
two birds with one stone.
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Re: SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!!!
Wed, March 31, 2004 - 11:11 PMSpeaking of unsafe vehicles, I was kind of surprised (albeit pleasantly) that no one got seriously hurt when the Whale car caught on fire. Granted, it was parked when it happened, but still...
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Re: La Contessa
Thu, April 1, 2004 - 1:07 AM!VIVA LA CONTESSA!
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Re: La Contessa
Sun, April 4, 2004 - 9:32 PMThanks La Contessa for posing for me...
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Re: La Contessa
Mon, April 5, 2004 - 9:59 PMMmmmmmmm,
put my name on a nice big juicy butt Steak, now thatz gooood eat'en
(2 years camping with Veguns I cant's take it any more)
and I never met a cow that didn't deserve it.
Thank you I pee'd myself laughing.
and I'm with Rev. Burn it. recycling is what you do with pop cans not Art.
(that would be pop art? no?)
Speaking of which everyone bring a Lance and a mountain bike with apropriate Livery next year I think we need to slay a Dragon (or is it a wind mill? I can never tell) -
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Re: La Contessa
Mon, April 5, 2004 - 10:30 PM" think we need to slay a Dragon (or is it a wind mill? I can never tell)"
I'm up for either or both for that matter.
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Re: La Contessa
Tue, April 6, 2004 - 2:41 PMSo, La Contessa won't be on the playa this year... well, I will miss her, even though every time I tried to get on her I was denied by someone who was un-necessarily rude! Anyway, I know of another major attraction loved by all that will not be present this year. I cannot divulge who/what because I am sworn to secrecy, BUT! perhaps I could be bribed.
