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One of my '08 campmates.
A (very solid, reliable) mutual friend/campmate told me this evening. Details are sketchy but he says it was confirmed from 2 different sources who knew her.
I know she pissed off a lot of people here. On this tribe & elsewhere on Tribe.
Her communication & interaction (to my understanding) was pretty much out of control. But **please** be kind. Please.
My belief is that was due to the illness.
Her behavior was tough to be around because of it. I had kept my distance recently, due to the turbulence.
But I never had any idea she'd be suicidal. Not a CLUE.
When she was stable (which was all of the time I was actually around her) she was very sweet, kind, and loving. She also had a wisdom to her that I should have acknowledged more. We had a few really nice conversations where her wisdom & helpfulness shone through.
Her (playa) name was Sunshine.
people.tribe.net/cc2c269d-...7e1a980d67
If I'm wrong about this I'll dance for joy and happily eat my words.
Claudia, you were a tough cookie, and really over the line sometimes; but we (your campmates at least) still loved you. And nobody wanted this for you.
Rest in peace my friend.
A (very solid, reliable) mutual friend/campmate told me this evening. Details are sketchy but he says it was confirmed from 2 different sources who knew her.
I know she pissed off a lot of people here. On this tribe & elsewhere on Tribe.
Her communication & interaction (to my understanding) was pretty much out of control. But **please** be kind. Please.
My belief is that was due to the illness.
Her behavior was tough to be around because of it. I had kept my distance recently, due to the turbulence.
But I never had any idea she'd be suicidal. Not a CLUE.
When she was stable (which was all of the time I was actually around her) she was very sweet, kind, and loving. She also had a wisdom to her that I should have acknowledged more. We had a few really nice conversations where her wisdom & helpfulness shone through.
Her (playa) name was Sunshine.
people.tribe.net/cc2c269d-...7e1a980d67
If I'm wrong about this I'll dance for joy and happily eat my words.
Claudia, you were a tough cookie, and really over the line sometimes; but we (your campmates at least) still loved you. And nobody wanted this for you.
Rest in peace my friend.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 2:51 AMWhat??????
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 2:52 AMGod...I can't process this. My head is buzzing. -
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 2:54 AM:(
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 10:16 AMLets get confirmation on this being true first.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 10:29 AMAgreed, Elaine.
How can we know for sure? I'm so devastated right now. If there's hope, this uncertainty is it for me. Somebody please advise.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 3:06 AMPeace be with her soul whether she is here with us or elsewhere. May good memories comfort those who knew Sunshine.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 5:24 AMNo no no no NO!
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 6:45 AMI sure hope this is not true. If it is I hope she got her poney. -
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 8:34 AMI am at a total loss for words here. Please, Sunshine......if you're out there still, please jump in and say something immedieately. I hope and pray you're alive.
Otherwise, I think I'll just stare outside the window to my office and remember the good you tried so hard to accomplish here and elsewhere.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 8:34 AMThis sucks. I hope everyone who knew her is OK.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 8:36 AMWTF?
This is starting to remind me of a neighborhood where everyone is getting cancer...wtf?...i've never been in a group that had so many deaths, accidents and suicides...is that because we have in common that we like an event that warns us of our death on the ticket? -
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 9:14 AMI would ask all to please be calm and kind in your posts. We all share in each others lives and passing.
Be reflective, but calm and think,
is there any community that rises with the sun that does not find loved ones who have passed in the night?
Or new babies that have been born?
Love yourselves and each other. There is no life without death and no death without life. It is eternal.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 9:24 AMWhat?!?
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 9:47 AMsame here, friended her on tribe after she took on a too-cozy group who were marginalizing others.
jesus! i am not liking this trend.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 10:12 AMthis is fucking terrible....
i hope this trend stops
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 10:32 AMClaudia was a troubled soul; I'm not shocked. I am saddened though, and baffled. I too was part of the camp Moose mentioned.
She had a passion for families with autistic children, personal growth and transformation, and old-school funk music. She loved Burning Man.
I pray for peace for her soul.
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 11:33 AMdammit.........
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Another star fades into the night.
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 11:45 AMThis has been a tough year . We will have plenty to think about out on the playa. I feel for her family and friends my heart goes out to there sadness and on this day, I hope there are many around her family and friends being the strength that they may now need.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 5:04 PMbeing as big as this community is...it is not surprising to hear of another loss... :(.....sorry! :(
the Boston community has suffered a loss of their own.
and as a reminder to all:
REMEMBRANCE PLAQUE FOR BURNERS LOST - NAMES BY JULY 20
Since 1996, an anonymous Burner has created a plaque to commemorate
members of our community who have passed away in the last calendar
year. This tradition continues today to honor people who have impacted
our Burning experiences and participated in making Burning Man happen.
This is a call out to you, our community, to please let us know of any
Burners lost this year who you feel should be added to the Remembrance
Plaque.
Submission of names: remembrance@burningman.com
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 5:16 PMI'm pretty sure he's not anonymous. His name is Dale, a firefighter and former senior construction guy on the Man crew. He's an awesome dude who is a great friend. His contribution to our community -- the plaque -- is sacred and profound. -
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 6:10 PMI really hope the sad news about Sunshine isn't true but rather only a rumor, so I started another thread with a more optimistic headline.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Fri, May 22, 2009 - 6:11 AMI received an an email from one of Sunshine's best friends this morning, describing who found her and how she ended her life. I've not heard anything about funeral arrangements though.
My sense is that a dark force was present in her that she just wasn't willing to deal with, so it kept getting bigger until it dealt with her. I saw it at Burning Man but I didn't recognize it for what it was. It got so she pushed everyone away. She hanged herself and was discovered by someone her uncle had sent to check on her, since he was worried about her.
This is confusing to me. At what point does one intervene, or allow them to hit rock bottom and reach out? What guarantee is there that someone will reach out when they do hit bottom? What beliefs got in the way of her reaching out? I wish I had answers.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Fri, May 22, 2009 - 7:56 AM"This is confusing to me. At what point does one intervene, or allow them to hit rock bottom and reach out? What guarantee is there that someone will reach out when they do hit bottom? What beliefs got in the way of her reaching out? I wish I had answers."
It confuses me as well, knowing when to help out. It also confuses me as to where "rock bottom" is for people. We may try to intervene, do it at the wrong time, and then suddenly compound the problem. That's where I suppose it's best to listen, to be there, and to really care.
A bigger problem that I'm sure many face is that there is still an unwarranted stigma given to those who would seek mental health professionals to aid them. Giving that stigma to someone without knowing particulars of a condition is a belief that gets in the way of many reaching out.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Fri, May 22, 2009 - 9:07 AM<A bigger problem that I'm sure many face is that there is still an unwarranted stigma given to those who would seek mental health professionals to aid them. Giving that stigma to someone without knowing particulars of a condition is a belief that gets in the way of many reaching out. >
A very big problem to be sure. And it is pervasive. I would add that the stigma is extended to people who suffer from mental illness whether or not they seek help. All those people telling us how "selfish" a suicide is. That is so misguided as to be potentially deadly.
To be honest, I don't think that culturally speaking we are much past the old "bury them at the crossroads so they don't become vampires" stage of compassion for the mentally ill. And considering the multiple treatments we now have it is particularly pernicious not to confront the willful ignorance so many people have. -
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Fri, May 22, 2009 - 11:41 AMI was Tribe friends with Sunshine since I joined, and first encountered her on the spiritual tribes that were then active (and troll free) and she was consistently Sunshine-y that whole time and consistently focused on light, fun, ascension. Then in early 2008 I noticed she dropped out of the spiritual stuff and began to talk and blog about ordinary issues only; her tone changed. Then she disappeared to Facebook for awhile--I didn't follow, can't stand FB-- and when she came back, in midsummer, that's when she was dramatically different, flailing out, angry, agitated, not making sense. That's when a lot of people first became aware of her existence and were repelled, calling her an alt of some troll, not real, and in tribe after tribe she got lots of people mad at her, and got mad back, and flew on to another tribe where the same thing would immediate happen. It was clear to me that she was at least manic and either was off her meds or needed new ones. It upset me that people ganged up on her so eagerly and quickly, and yet the usual trend on Tribe is to tolerate or even encourage much, much worse. I certainly thought the universal scorn had a lot to do with her being female. Different standards clearly in place. But that's a different issue. I and some others who had known her long enough to be able to see the difference defended her where we could, telling people no, this is indeed a real person who is suddenly not herself at all. We thought her profile had been hacked, even.
I did go to her directly with my concerns immediately after Burning Man, trying in every diplomatic way to say this is not you, not at all, something seems chemically wrong, would you look back and see when this started, what happened, did you start or stop any type of medication, because you're just not you and it's at the point where you've got to do something, I'm so worried. She denied there was any problem, change or incident, she felt she had real reasons for all of her particular fights with people, but she wasn't defensive or angry with me for bringing it up, and she did seem to calm down and back off for awhile after that. But then she really dropped out of communication all around.
At first I was thinking that something happened at BM to precipitate this, but now, going back to old PMs, I realize it was already in full swing on the playa--must have been obvious to many. But in one of the worst possible places for anybody to say, oh this isn't normal.
The problem is that hardly anybody is ever in a position to really persuade anybody to get help, and the behaviors that come with mental breakdown push people away, thoroughly. Until the victim is completely alone, and desperate, and at some point, ashamed and scared.
I'm glad it's over for her, just wish it hadn't happened at all and that it could have been some other way.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Fri, May 22, 2009 - 1:24 PMBeautifully, beautifully said.
Thank you.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Fri, May 22, 2009 - 1:12 PMRhino,
So right, stigma is a huge problem. I'm a mental health services evaluator (I study the effectiveness of services). Mental illness is nothing to be afraid of, or ashamed about. How many people know that May is National Mental Health Awareness Month, or that May 7th was mental health awareness day? It is also National Children's Mental Health Awareness month. May 7th was children's mental health awareness day and we put on a gathering to celebrate and educate people in Oroville CA with more than 500 people in attendance. We had information booths and ethnic food and fun activities. It was a huge success. We had a ceremonial release of doves that was beautiful and enjoyed by all. We alerted the local media but no TV news crews bothered to cover it. It is hard to fight stigma if we don't work together.
www.mentalhealthamerica.net/go/may
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ment...ness_Month
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Fri, May 22, 2009 - 8:08 AMhi all,
I have recently spoken to claudia's good friend Gerald and he let me know for certain that Claudia hung herself recently.
I don't know much more than that, beyond that both myself and another friend Tribe 'oola' who both tune in to other realms from time to time heard a giggly claudia say 'peace and blessings'...
she may no longer be physical, she is however, in spirit and buzzing about with great glee! :)
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Fri, May 22, 2009 - 11:39 AMI received the same news.
So it seems to be confirmed.
Also, I called her cell phone last night and there was no answer. Just her voicemail.
She sounded so happy and warm and spiritual on that voicemail....
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Fri, May 22, 2009 - 2:11 PMoh no...
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Fri, May 22, 2009 - 3:17 PM;(
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
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Goodnight, sweet Sunshine, wherever you are.
Fri, May 22, 2009 - 5:03 PMI wonder, is there a way to change the title of this thread?
Sunshine deserves light in the heading under which we post our memories Please. I hate having to read about this wonderful life lost under that "mental illness and suicide" label-banner. Sunshine was so much more than how her physical life ended.
I had really hoped the headline was untrue.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Fri, May 22, 2009 - 7:15 PMDoes anyone know about a memorial service?
I'd like to pay tribute to my lovely Sunshine and meet those who knew her.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide
Fri, May 22, 2009 - 7:19 PMI've got word out to those who are likely to be able to get that information.
Word that the community here would like to know the details of the service, etc.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide
Sat, May 23, 2009 - 4:45 AMI'm wondering if anyone could PM me and tell me how she decided to depart. I'll miss her. already do. -
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide
Sat, May 23, 2009 - 5:14 AMBoy you people just have to keep coming back to the thread with the tantalizing title, don't you?
Please. Go to the thread I started. Go to Owl's. Start one of your own.
Sunshine was much more than a person who was mentally ill who committed suicide. Sure that's how she ended her life. Let's not memorialize her featuring that headline.
What is the allure of the bloodfest? Here's an example of how she was treated by this "community."
brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/...c3feef3,
Others in which Jman&etc mentally abuse her have already been erased by the SOT gang or maybe it was the TOU deletist?
Your words are written in your hearts even if you attempt to erase them from the page. Look upon your works, upon what you allowed and watched happen, and despair.
Cut to another thread with your kindness. This headline was ill-thought and reeks of some sort of grudge.
Remember Sunshine with light not with the pain of her final act.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide
Sat, May 23, 2009 - 9:01 AMUnfortunately it's not possible to change the thread subject. It could be deleted by the originator of the thread or by the mods. As one of the mods, we would decline to do so.
Sunshine was treated poorly by a lot of people on Tribe. Sure she might have been hard to take at times, but who of us doesn't fall into that category. I'm not suggesting anyone here pushed her over the edge, but it is one more reason we should think before we hit submit. These are not just words we type. They have an impact.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 4:13 AMUmmmmm....nooooooo, that's not what I meant.
I am the originator of this thread and I was a friend of Claudia's. Actually she and I never had a quarrel and I certainly have no grudge against her, just pain for her final choice.
It is indeed possible that I was reeling with the awful news when I posted this thread and didn't think it through very well. However I stand by it. She was much more than that, yes; but I didn't say that's all she was. She was my friend, and a bright light in the lives of many, particularly when she was well. She was also one of MANY people we have lost directly due to these two inter-related issues. As a community I feel we need to address these very issues, of mental illness and suicide. As soon as possible, before they snuff out other bright beautiful lights that shine among us.
We are all susceptible to these issues. "There but for the grace of God go I,'" the old saying goes. That's how I always think of these things.
Thank you moderators for keeping a level head and not reacting.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 6:44 PM
omg, I just saw this in your blog, Moose.
I had been trying to reach Sunshine for a while - last I heard she was going to CR.
I am really saddened. I only knew her from our emails and meeting at some Funkadelic events, but always knew her to have a clue into things other people didn't - a visionary. I wish we had been able to catch up - I sensed she was struggling, but she always seemed to be working on brilliant plans and loved her work.
I've sent a PM, please keep me in loop re: memorials.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 10:22 PMi was introduced to agape by sunshine. i sent an email for then.
last time i saw her she was so nice with me but she got on a big big argumnent with the waitress on the restaurante for no reason at all and we almost got kicked out of the restaurant.
i cannot believe tHat somebopdy that keep saying "peace AND blessing" for everyone, and on her messages or on the hello on her phone or goodbye in a conversation didn't find peace on her on life.
she was definitly mental ill by the last time i saw her.
RIP sunshine, and i'll pray for you find PEACE AND BLESS now.
she was definitlly a thought cookie, sometime too ungry, but i knew her outside this ungry and i'll miss her smile and her hug at the parties. i'll miss her phone calling me by accident and her invitations to go to AGAPE.
PEACE AND BLESS TO EVERYONE.
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 9:58 AMI camped at the BRBH in 08 with Sunshine as well and she was so amazing to be around. I felt that meeting her and getting to know her and feel her "Sunshine" in my life was truly a blessing. She was a constant source of radiance and beauty at the Burn. I was there with my husband at the time (we recently got divorced) and she was so kind to us and her and G had their tent next to ours in our camp and I would sit and talk to her about life and she had such great insight and words of wisdom to share with my young, naive, confused mind. She actually taught me a lot about myself, and I got the impression from her talking about the various lessons that she learned in life that she was a generally happy person, but had been through some really trying times. After the burn was over we kept in touch on here and on the phone and she was a great friend to me and helped me greatly through my divorce, one of the most difficult times in my life. She was so full of love and generosity (at least that is how I perceived it). I am in total and complete shock right now that she took her own life. Let me quote something that she gifted to me at this last burn (and ultimately her last burn) that she handed to me at just the moment that I needed, and know that she is still a Spiritual Warrior. She is still present. She is still fighting for the light. She is just doing so from another realm now, but she goes on, just as we all do, just as we must do.
THE SPIRITUAL WARRIOR
Life offers us the opportunity to become a Spiritual Warrior.
A warrior is one who bravely goes into those dark areas within themselves
to ferret out the Truth of their being.
It takes great courage, stamina and endurance
to become a Spiritual Warrior.
The path is narrow, the terrain rough and rocky.
You will walk alone:
through the dark caves, up those steep climbs
and through the dense thick forest.
You will meet your dark side.
The faces of fear, deceit, and sadness all await your arrival.
No one can take this journey but you.
There comes a time, in each of our lives,
when we are given the choice to follow this path.
Should we decide to embark on this journey,
we can never turn back... our lives are changed forever.
On this journey, there are many different places
we can choose to slip into and hide. But the path goes on.
The Spiritual Warrior stays the course, wounded at times,
exhausted and out of energy.
Many times, the Warrior will struggle back to their feet
to take only a few steps before falling again.
Rested, they forge on, continuing the treacherous path.
The journey continues. The Spiritual Warrior stays the course.
Weakened, but never broken.
One day, the battle, loneliness and desperate fights are over.
The sun breaks through the clouds;
the birds begin to sing their sweet melodies.
There is a change in the energy.
A deep change within the self.
The Warrior has fought the courageous fight.
The battle of the dark night of the soul has won.
New energy now fills the Warrior.
A new path is now laid before them.
A gentler path filled with the inner-knowing
of one who has personal empowerment.
With their personal battle won, they are filled with joy.
A new awareness that they are one with the Spirit beams
as they go forth to show others the way.
They are not permitted to walk the path for others.
They can only love, guide and be a living example of the Truth of their being.
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I wish I could have sent this back to her in her time of need. I wish I would have known she was in trouble. I hope these words can still guide her where she is now, and she stays the course of her path, even if it is from the other side.
RIP Claudia. I loved you. You touched my soul and brought the Sunshine into my life when I needed it most. I am sorry I couldn't do the same in return. -
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 10:52 AMThank you, Jes.
Just...thank you!
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Re: We lost another Burner to mental illness & suicide (I think)
Sat, May 30, 2009 - 3:22 PMWow :(
If you have a friend that is hurting, reach out to them. Talk to them. Let them know they are not alone and that you will stand with them, help them.
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