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I know this is a stretch, but I am moving to Qatar in a few weeks and wanted to see if there were any Burners living in Qatar.
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Re: Any Qatar Burners out there?
Tue, October 20, 2009 - 2:02 PMWell, there will be one for sure.
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Re: Any Qatar Burners out there?
Tue, October 20, 2009 - 9:29 PMI'm in Bahrain (about an hour's flight and by 2014 or so a quick drive across the "Friendship Bridge") . . . this may be the start of a MENA regional -
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Re: Any Qatar Burners out there?
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 9:17 AMWow. We really are everywhere. -
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Re: Any Qatar Burners out there?
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 11:20 AMYeah. And I know durgy....he's for real and a heck of a human being.
BM regional in Antarctica last year, maybe the UAE this year. -
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Re: Any Qatar Burners out there?
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 1:44 PMThe Arabian Peninsula regional?
No PBR
Everything stops five times a day, so we can groove to the techno thump thump of prayers
And all the sisters are naked, under their burkas.
Somehow, I get the feeling that there are some cultural rivers that cannot be crossed. -
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Re: Any Qatar Burners out there?
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 2:26 PMWhile I have not seen PBR, there is beer in Bahrain, Qatar and the UAE (not so much in KSA and Kuwait unless you home brew or bring it in by Diplomatic pouch). In Qatar you need to have a special resident's card to go to the liquor store, and you are limited in your alcohol purchases to an amount you pre-designate (up to 10% of your monthly salary I believe). There is no salary limit on booze purchases in Bahrain (other than what you can afford).
Expatriate women (and some Bahraini women) in Bahrain do not cover. Nobody wears a burka, but many wear the hijab which covers the hair. Some percentage also put a veil that covers everything except the eyes creating a ninja look.
After a short time you hardly notice call to prayer. The Grand Mosque of Bahrain is right around the corner from me, and I only hear the 4:30AM call if I am already awake.
While a beach burn might attract too much attention and get shut down based on cultural misunderstanding (a la Baker Beach) I would imagine one could get away with a desert burn if organized and low key. -
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Re: Any Qatar Burners out there?
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 3:27 PMHey, what's so bad about the sound of muezzin? I thought it was a lovely sound, early early in the a.m., when I visited Beirut in the late 80's. I know it happens 5x/day, but the only time I noticed it was in the early a.m.
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Re: Any Qatar Burners out there?
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 3:29 PMO.K. you win.
I guess there are no real cultural diffrences.
Let's celebrate our unity, with a big platter of bacon. -
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Re: Any Qatar Burners out there?
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 4:19 PM> Let's celebrate our unity, with a big platter of bacon.
Also available in the non-Muslim section of the Al Jazira Market. As are Lucky Charms, as apparently "luck" is haram.
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Re: Any Qatar Burners out there?
Thu, October 22, 2009 - 1:02 PMYou do like to be contrary just to be contrary, don't you? That's cool -- that's your shtick, and you do it well. :)
Of course Burner culture is pretty much diametrically opposed to Muslim culture. That doesn't mean that there can't be peaceful co-existence, IMHO. It just takes people on both sides of the divide dropping their prejudices and actually seeing the other for what it is, not what they've built it up in their minds to be. -
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Re: Any Qatar Burners out there?
Thu, October 22, 2009 - 2:27 PMIn Iran, the spring new year included jumping over bonfires. Surely their must be other fire ceremonies which are culturally acceptable and could provide cover for burner activities?
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 3:03 PMYou can't just wave your hand and dismiss a whole religion. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, etc. already attend the event. Some may not eat the bacon, and others may not use mind-altering substances, whether in the name of certain passages in a book - The Old Testament, The Koran, etc. - or for personal reasons (e.g. annonymous camp, vegetarianism, etc.).
People in this region are accustomed to parties in the desert. Some make art, listen to/make music, drink, fuck, solve the world's problems over the dinner table, etc. As BRC only appeals to a certain percentage of the US population, the same holds true here.
I go back to (probably) my favorite part of Burning Man which is the experiment in community. It's not just peaceful co-existence, it's collaborative existence. Though I admit the tendency in the region is to put greater allegiance in the family you are born into rather than the one you choose, that does not prevent one from widening the circle.
Most people I have described the event think they would enjoy it. For that same group, however, it also presents a logistic nightmare at prohibitive cost. At least in some pretty nutty looking festivals in say India, there will be vending, lodging, etc. and I'd say those would seem approachable for me, even as a first timer . .. but hell I'm 3/4 ot the way there at this point, and I know how to go somewhere and be self-reliant, and could muster the resources and even gain support people just by reaching out.
I know some of my personal limits (thankfully not all). I am not about to volunteer to babysit someone for a week in BRC and/or support a sponsored ambassador. Radical self-reliance - most people have to make the decision on their own to come to BRC. I am not adverse, though, to bringing it to the people in some way, or help someone to plan their travels. I would note that my thread to find someone flying from Bahrain to BRC did not get very far, but it did not hurt to ask, and that really was "Plan D".
I admit that I am not much of an event planner. The Middle East Santa Stumble (MESS) seemed to be my limit . .. and a group of a dozen Santas was well received on the streets of Bahrain. I have not built big art nor do I have the facilities in my apartment to experiment, and I think for a BRC-like event (regional burn) you almost need to build something big and burn it. Nope just a humble newspaper man for one week out of the year and, though typically not the instigator, one that helps turn it up to 11.
So I'm down for a collaboration to "do" something, or otherwise go with my "normal flow" which is more based on small scale personal interaction. -
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Re: Any Qatar Burners out there?
Thu, October 22, 2009 - 3:32 PMMy personal understanding about what humans are tells me that Muslim Arabs must have estatic festivals, just as much as we do. The tradition of Sufi Mystics gives me a very definate "hook" where certain aspects of burningman could "attach" to Islam. Also, I hold the Haj as a possible cousin of the event in some ways.
Right now we are in a very bad (to put it mildly) state of relations between american and muslims in general, arabs in particular. (Oh crap that second phrase may not be true, Iranis/Iraqis might better be discribed as "Persian." Whatever.) I don't think all burners have to be ambassadors to the arab world, or even to the western world. On the other hand, I don't think that we should be so wrapped up in our own uniqueness and specialness that we can really afford to cut ourselves off from any other group of humans. Except hippies. Ravers we only have to tolerate during Raver Toleration Week, the last full week in February.
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