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Hello y'all
'09 was my virgin BM experience and I loved every moment of it. As a moderately broke college student, I want to focus on one project for BM 10. I decided a geodesic dome would be a good introduction to Burning Man projects. I have enough money to build a proper 3V 5/8 dome, but I'd like to get creative and try to skimp on the cover. So...
Would it be practical to sew used and trashed clothes, cloth, sheets, etc into a dome cover? Would this stand up to the wind and dust? sporadic rain? The almighty Sun?
I'm leaning towards making the cover out of just used denim, as denim seems to be a strong material, and is quite like canvas. What do you think?
Hello y'all
'09 was my virgin BM experience and I loved every moment of it. As a moderately broke college student, I want to focus on one project for BM 10. I decided a geodesic dome would be a good introduction to Burning Man projects. I have enough money to build a proper 3V 5/8 dome, but I'd like to get creative and try to skimp on the cover. So...
Would it be practical to sew used and trashed clothes, cloth, sheets, etc into a dome cover? Would this stand up to the wind and dust? sporadic rain? The almighty Sun?
I'm leaning towards making the cover out of just used denim, as denim seems to be a strong material, and is quite like canvas. What do you think?
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Re: Used clothes as a dome cover
Fri, October 23, 2009 - 12:36 PMI seem to remember one year recently (08 maybe?) the shade cloth at the will call line was made out of lots of pairs of old panties... -
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Re: Used clothes as a dome cover
Fri, October 23, 2009 - 2:46 PMBefore Panty Camp got pushed out, they had a dome (small) with a cover made of knickers.
The thing about clothing v. parachute is that you could go for a dappled effect that would make the cloth less like a sail, because of the small gaps. -
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Re: Used clothes as a dome cover
Fri, October 23, 2009 - 3:49 PMYou want it to be lightweight and to block light. Sheets could work, although you might want to have flaps cut to reduce the force of the wind. You might also consider looking around for old lightweight tents that people are tossing out, since the material has the right properties (light, strong, good sunblock).
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Re: Used clothes as a dome cover
Fri, October 23, 2009 - 12:37 PMwhats the dome for?
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Re: Used clothes as a dome cover
Fri, October 23, 2009 - 1:32 PMThe reason people use parachutes is because they are so light. That much denim would weigh a ton. I've got friends who have fancy denim tents, not a fraction of the size of a normal dome and they weigh over 50 lbs. I think any fabric would stand up for a week, but that doesn't mean the conections between the items of clothing would. In any quilt, which is what you're talking about, the stitching is the weakest part. So, unless you really do some fancy sewing it will certainly be in shreds. I'd just keep my eyes and ears open for someone getting rid of a parachute.
That being said, the used clothing would be more fun.
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Re: Used clothes as a dome cover
Fri, October 23, 2009 - 6:22 PMOk, good, although not ideal, at least clothing or sheets is a practical idea. I don't want to use a parachute because, well, I don't think they're very unique looking. Next step.
Is there any particular method of heavy duty stitching? Any ideas on weather proofing?
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Re: Used clothes as a dome cover
Fri, October 23, 2009 - 10:27 PMHow and why did panty camp get pushed out? -
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Re: Used clothes as a dome cover
Fri, October 23, 2009 - 11:27 PMThe story I heard.
Basically, they were on the 3 o'clock plaza in 07, which was the first year they had ice sales there. Apparently, people in the ice line were just atrociously behaved. What I heard was mostly about Espresso Camp, since I know Espresso Dude, and over there they were getting flack about not providing cups and not taking garbage. And I think someone took a dump right in front of the booth or something. I don't know any particulars of Panty Camp's experience, but when I asked where they were last July/August someone said that the ice buyers in the plaza had been too much.
So if any of you can figure out a way to teach manners to people in the ice lines, you'd be doing the city a service. -
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Re: Used clothes as a dome cover
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 12:31 AMWe had better luck on the 9 plaza. Seems like later in the week when tempers were getting short, the shaved-ice folks showed up and started handing out snow cones, made from the ice. They had a variety of syrups, and then people started bringing out extra vodka and rum for the snow cones to go with the syrup.
Hard for your temper or your attitude to be wrong when you've got a nice cool snow-cone buzz going on. I even heard a lot of people saying thank you inside Ice-9. And right after ice sales closed on Friday night, the Rangers at outpost Tokyo were serving bacon and mixed drinks to all comers. -
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Re: Used clothes as a dome cover
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 6:12 PM<<Before Panty Camp got pushed out, they had a dome (small) with a cover made of knickers.
The thing about clothing v. parachute is that you could go for a dappled effect that would make the cloth less like a sail, because of the small gaps.>>
Or you could have the best of both worlds and get Baron Munchausen's balloon made entirely of lady's undergarments.
www.smart.co.uk/dreams/balloon.jpg
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Re: Used clothes as a dome cover
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 7:15 PMIf I get your picture, you want a dome made of clearly identifiable pants,shirts,garter belts,etc..that is real funky, and is something no one else has ever seen.
I like it, and can really see where you are going with this.
Some of the issues I see right off are that even if you double seam every piece,the actual fabric will probably rip,right next to the seam.
you might want to make some sort of netting undergarment, so to speak, for your dome.
That way, you will be able to attach the clothing to a lot of places, instead of just relying on the seams to hold it together.
Clothing shapes are akward puzzle pieces. Are you going to put on several layers, or stick one layer on something like say, a parachute?
Anyway you do it, it is going to be heavy. I'm not sure that PVC will hold up something like that.
I hope you have a metal dome.
It is going to be real bulky, and afterwards, it will be ungodly filthy. This full scale art project will require some real logistics.
And finally, if you do this, and I think you should, if it is done right, it will be insane on the labor intensive chart.
However, you have a year, and it is going to be a long winter.
Good luck.
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Re: Used clothes as a dome cover
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 7:25 PMWhat if you used sheets to make the "canvas" and then on each sheet, attach a piece of clothing? This would make the clothing recognizable and yet the whole thing not as heavy. You could cut each clothing item front from the back, so each one would turn into two and be lighter that way. -
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Re: Used clothes as a dome cover
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 7:38 PMOh, by the way,
Has anyone ever told you about the Burning Man "Sophmore Crazies?"
That is where someone has a absoluely fantastic first time at the festival, then is determened to bring some monster big project, the second year.
Unfortunatly, these projects tend to have a high failure rate.
It is the usual things, no real money, space to work in, and August is so far away, Surely I have plenty of time.
And when you do hit the playa, you've been there before. You probably already know where you want to get into trouble, and don't want to wait to get there.
Your project will suffer.
So, just be aware that many have gone down the path, that you are now on.
Keep your project as simple as you can, and it will increase the likelyhood that it will work on the playa. -
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Re: Used clothes as a dome cover
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 9:22 PMZaius, you're speaking some common sense there.
An additional method that's tried and true is to not plan a project which will 'debut' on-playa. Assemble it BEFORE you get there, and test it. A good place to do this is at a regional burn, if they have visual and/or interactive art. Get the kinks out beforehand, and make it a smooth assembly. Remember that the project has to travel and take the shake, rattle, and roll of travel. Pack carefully. Pack plenty of tools and spare things you might need. Never assume.
And remember KISS. (Keep It Simple, Simian!)
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Re: Used clothes as a dome cover
Tue, October 27, 2009 - 12:52 PMWow, ok thanks a lot! The more you guys give me feedback the more I realize what I'm getting myself into. I love challenges though. First I gotta build this 1" conduit dome, then I'll start on the cover.
And yes, I am a sophomore and I am fuckin crazy. I'm also good at organizing things like this.
I'll keep you guys updated!
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Re: Used clothes as a dome cover
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 1:31 PMThis year Midnight Ridazz had a yurt made of jeans known as 'party in my pants".
Start hitting the dumpsters behind thrift stores on a regular basis.
I'd guess to avoid synthetics as they're flammable.
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Re: Used clothes as a dome cover
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 3:03 PMif you used panties from big girls, you'd use fewer of them. -
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Re: Used clothes as a dome cover
Mon, November 2, 2009 - 3:57 AM<<if you used panties from big girls, you'd use fewer of them.>>
That's true. 'Granny bloomers' have more surface area as well. They are somewhat squarish, (actually fork shaped) so attaching four grommets through them should make the work load easier. Silk is stronger than cotton but tends to disintergrate if exposed to sunlight.
I know when I lived in Toronto, there used to be literally tons and tons of shredded garments thrown away by the garment industry downtown. It seems they do this with the clothes they make but can't sell. Most of these are women's clothes.
in the 1990's, used clothing became a business with a 2000% profit margin. As a used clothing company, you stick out donation bins so people donate their old clothes into them 'for free'. Then, you can sell these clothes in bulk at about a dollar a pound. Some Vintage clothing stores in Toronto hired 'pickers', to go through these bulk clothes and pick out the best ones. Then, you could take these pairs of used jeans and sell them again for $20 and up.
You could also make a great deal of money by selling used clothing to third world countries such as the countries in Africa. In this case, the clothes are wrapped in huge bales. My guess is that you'd probably need at least one of these 1,500 pound bales (4feet x 4 feet square) to cover your dome.
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