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we need to a find a solution to stop the stolen bikes every year. That's a test for our community.
If you have a cable lock it will be cut. If you have a U-lock you can't lock your bike to something and you bike will be carried away. It happened to me.
I was thinking of bike racks (equipped with locks maybe) at different locations where they would be most needed.
It doesnt cost much and it would pretty much solve the problem if people are willing to walk a little. Which is fine
what do you think?
If you have a cable lock it will be cut. If you have a U-lock you can't lock your bike to something and you bike will be carried away. It happened to me.
I was thinking of bike racks (equipped with locks maybe) at different locations where they would be most needed.
It doesnt cost much and it would pretty much solve the problem if people are willing to walk a little. Which is fine
what do you think?
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Re: bike thieves solution....
Fri, September 18, 2009 - 5:20 AMdo you mean thieves, or a bike thief's solution? -
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 9:14 AM>> do you mean thieves, or a bike thief's solution? <<
Neither, he meant "theft."
Good bike racks would reduce theft a little, but at considerable expense to BMorg and would create a hazard on the open playa. The cost benefit analysis is marginal, and the cost would all be on BMorg (although indirectly all costs are on the citizens of BRC) and benefit only to a fraction of the citizens of BRC . So I don't think that idea will fly. BMorg has provided wooden racks out side the Cafe for many years, I suspect they haven't installed them elsewhere for the reasons cited.
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 7:26 AMCenter camp and some major theme camps already have bike racks, although none of these have built-in locks, which would be an interesting addition. Although I've never seen bike racks with built-in locks anywhere, obviously public storage lockers and public umbrella racks do come with locks, so the general idea isn't new. Adding a lock strong enough to resist a determined thief could get expensive, especially multiplied hundreds of times over.
Bike racks distributed around high-traffic areas could be built as art pieces themselves. That would be very much worthwhile, and might even get funded by the BmORG. -
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 9:03 AM<<<Bike racks distributed around high-traffic areas could be built as art pieces themselves. That would be very much worthwhile, and might even get funded by the BmORG.>>>
I like this idea.
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 10:17 AMMy camp provided a bike rack this year for our patrons. It was filled with abandoned bikes after Tuesday making the rack useless to anybody else and creating a LARGE problem at the end of the event, trying to cut locks to free our bike rack and find room for the extra MOOP left for us to clean up.
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 10:36 AM>trying to cut locks to free our bike rack <
I suspect that half those people whose locks you had to cut to remove their bikes left the playa thinking their bike was stolen. 'Dude, where did I leave the bike!' sorta issue -
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 10:44 AM
I would suggest that you bring a crappy, old, dependable bike.
Decorate it so that it's unique.
Lock it lock it lock it.
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 11:17 AM>I suspect that half those people whose locks you had to cut to remove their bikes left the playa thinking their bike was stolen. 'Dude, where did I leave the bike!' sorta issue<
I'm sure that was the issue. But apparently the people who ‘had their bike stolen’ don't want their bikes back. I have checked every Lost/Found thread looking for the people who made me responsible for their property. -
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 11:37 AMit's true, this does happen. A campmate of mine three years ago parked his bike, got pretty intoxicated, forgot where it was, then assumed it was stolen. The truth was then revealed later in the week when he went back to the spot of intoxication to find his bike where he left it.
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 7:53 AMI think it's a huge shame that this a such a problem with an event of this nature. but it seems that it is, and that problem needs to be addressed if possible.
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 7:54 AMradical self reliance...... shit can get stolen....it happens....protect your shit. We dont need bike racks....they wouldnt solve anything anyways. -
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 9:05 AMBike Racks by 10:00 and 2:00 would seroiusly help a lot.
I had that classic moment of Where the Hell is My Bike.....looked for it for an hour, it was there, all innocent ;)
Our village laminates little address location markers out of day glo, and we zip tie them to our bikes. GREAT gift to your camp! Usually they get returned, as the theives seem like they dont actually want to take the bike home with them.
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 12:50 PM"Our village laminates little address location markers out of day glo, and we zip tie them to our bikes. GREAT gift to your camp! "
That is a GREAT idea.
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Sun, September 20, 2009 - 4:56 PMcamps at 10 and 2 would be wise to provide bike racks. other non BMORG camps do the same, why do you think the sound camps are exempt from that?
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 9:05 AM
<<<radical self reliance...... shit can get stolen....it happens....protect your shit. We dont need bike racks....they wouldnt solve anything anyways..>>>
a locked bike lying on the ground can easily be picked up and carried off....
a bike locked to a bike rack is a bit more secure.....unless they carry the bike rack off with all the bikes on it.....
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 9:54 AMBike racks would help but the truth is, if you want them then build them and bring them. I don't see this as being a BRC issue. -
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Sat, September 19, 2009 - 8:44 AM<<<Bike racks would help but the truth is, if you want them then build them and bring them. I don't see this as being a BRC issue. >>>
the title of this thread is "bike thief solution", and people are suggesting solutions.......and bike theft IS a BRC issue...
Black Rock City...is our city....every issue is OURS.
and yes if we want them, WE will need to bring them....as someone else suggested....or maybe an art instillation bike rack.
i vote YES for bike racks.....and a reminder to always check your bike rack....
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 10:21 AMOutlaw bikes. Require rollerskates.
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 11:05 AMRather than locking it to a 'bike rack', and assuming you have friends, lock your bikes together when you go out. Two bikes locked together is a pretty unwieldy thing to carry away, imagine three or four locked together.
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 11:41 AM"Rather than locking it to a 'bike rack', and assuming you have friends, lock your bikes together when you go out. Two bikes locked together is a pretty unwieldy thing to carry away, imagine three or four locked together."
It only works if you stay with your group of friends all the time. It's a huge restriction. -
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>>It's a huge restriction.<<
Fri, September 18, 2009 - 1:11 PMHUGE!
I hate being weighed down by my friends. They never want to do anything fun at Burning Man.
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 11:33 AMIt is my honest opinion that the mere decoration of any bike (with exception) is the deterrent that provides the most effective means of dissuading one who is looking for a bike, be it for economic or short term gain.
The real solution then is: Find a cheap reliable bike for the event, decorate/personalize the bike like your experience depended upon it, and truthfully i feel locking the bike is setting a bad example to our community, It is my contention the higher road will be to personalize and decorate plus do not bring a bike you will regret if someone by happenstance decides to borrow it..... Just My H.O. -
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 11:39 AM<truthfully i feel locking the bike is setting a bad example to our community, It is my contention the higher road will be to personalize and decorate>
Interesting thought. Makes me wonder how that scales to other choices. For instance: I feel that using birth control sets a bad example to children. It is my contention the higher road will be to personalize and decorate. Cut off or seal in all genitalia if you can't stand to use them.
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 2:14 PMYeah, you're confusing sex with bicycles, like the feminist expression about why they don't need men. :-)
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 12:38 PM>It is my honest opinion that the mere decoration of any bike (with exception) is the deterrent that provides the most effective means of dissuading one who is looking for a bike, be it for economic or short term gain.<
While your theory may hold true for most, for my sitch I'm pretty sure it was the prettiness of my "dragonbike" decorations that got it lifted. People steal unsecured bikes, and leaving your bike unsecured is an invitation for theft.
I DO like the notion of works of art that also happen to be bike racks, or have bike racks incorporated into them, racks that lend themselves to the use of a U-lock (since cable locks just don't do it). Given the Metropolis theme for next year, wouldn't it be a logical project to take on? As we envision the ideal, the utopian city, then it seems to me that innovative solutions for public/civic/urban problems are needed very much, and are at the heart of what we are all about.
And I agree that the 10:00 and 2:00 corners are great places for them. I had a panicky 1/2 hour one night out by OT, trying to locate my locked, well-lit bike in the sea of bicycles that appeared while I was watching Carl Cox. -
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 8:51 PMI'm kicking ideas around with a friend to create art piece bike racks, a combo BRC civic/BRAF art project (if there is such a critter).
I think it would be coolest if there were many of these around the city/esplanade, each one unique but each one solving the problem of bike parking in a beautful, functional way. Ideally, groups/individuals would collaborate on different "teams" to create their functional art, and we'd be applying for grant $$.
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Re: a combo BRC civic/BRAF art project (if there is such a critter).
Fri, September 18, 2009 - 9:11 PMI'm a bit hazy on this, but as I recall there is no such critter, because BRAF is specifically for art off the playa.
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Fri, September 25, 2009 - 10:08 AMbut bike theives would just build a rack art peice on a trailer and tow off a whole load of bikes everyday..
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 1:12 PM>i feel locking the bike is setting a bad example to our community
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 2:16 PMSure unlocked bikes makes it easier. Yet if every bike were locked with a good lock it might still be profitable, and so would continue. Locks are only a small part of the equation. And talk about Blame Cannons, isn't your repeated premise just blaming the victim?
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 11:53 AMracks don't have to be expensive. It would be cheap compared to the cost of the yellow bikes. It can be reused every year and does not need repair like the yellow bikes. Less stolen bikes means less yellow bikes needed so it would make sense that BMorg funds the bike racks.
In Japan they have all kind of bike racks, some with built in locks. But those might be too expensive. -
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 8:31 PMdon't leave your bike laying around .......and if you find a bike thief cut there hands off.........
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 9:50 PMSolution = let go your bike before you get there. If it's "borrowed", oh well. Elevate yourself to the inconvenience. I'd be pissed too but BMan is too unique an experience to bring old-world reactions when stuff happens.
If you want more bike racks, bring some.
The labels are a great idea. Our camp made some too. I never got around to attaching mine.
Our camp also brings spare bikes. So if you're left bereft, ask around. Might get a pleasant surprise.
I just don't like creeping featurism. This is how entities evolve. Yick. (Bad enough they sell coffee at CC.)
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Sat, September 19, 2009 - 6:08 AMStep 1: analyze.
I don't have a pat answer for "how", but we need to know why bikes get separated from their owners. At this point it's all speculation (and, being a discussion of beliefs and opinions without aggregate facts, it will likely degrade into a shouting match soon). What we need to know is things like:
1. How many bikes are at BRC?
2. How many bikes are separated from their owners?
3. Safety.
4. How many bikes can be confirmed taken by someone else versus lost, misplaced, borrowed (by a campmate), etc.?
5. Why do people who take bikes take them, and in what percentages? Is it for personal profit ("true" theft), or is it because they think BRC is one big free-for-all, or that bikes are art that is a gift, or did they take the wrong bike by mistake, or did they lose track of their bike and take another because that's "fair" (one of our douchebag campmates in 2006 actually used this excuse on an unadorned full-suspension Trek; I refused to load the bike in question and returned it to lost and found).
I can speculate and provide anecdotal evidence just as well as anyone else on these questions. But to make an effective policy/solution, we first need to know what the problem is. As such, I propose we start figuring out how to collect this data on-playa (perhaps a charming form available at Playa info for people to fill out that asks the "hard questions".) "I turned around and my bike was gone" is not the same thing as "I saw a guy in a green coat cut my lock and ride my bike away." I think the biggest challenge is to filter out prejudice (everyone who's lost a bike is certain it was stolen, biasing reports, but there are so many distractions at Burning Man that walking 10 feet away might as well be a mile).
But whatever the outcome, I'd like to see the real data on all this and we can start our discussion from there.
Ideas are already brewing in my head (i.e. provide a postcard so a respondent can provide a months-later follow-up). If anyone has experience writing surveys, or experience with statistics (not just using mean() and stddev() in Excel but real stuff ... beyond analyzing the "student's T" kind of shit), let me know and maybe we can get something rolling.
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Sat, September 19, 2009 - 9:46 AMSomeone to take on 2 bike rack art installations at the 2 and 10:00 would be praised for months after the event.....and wow would that ever be great interactive art!
:::buys a lotto ticket::::
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Sat, September 19, 2009 - 10:10 AMWith all due respect, we don't need to collect empirical data to begin posing solutions to the problem we've all observed. Since we don't have a city 50 weeks of the year to test our theories on, then we're forced to make decisions based on the information we DO have so that we have a solution or solutions ready to roll out next year. I DON'T think we can afford the luxury of going and collecting data another year before we address this civic problem.
I've got a bike rack idea underway, with the intention of creating two, one each for the 2:00 and 10:00 corners of the Esplanade.
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Sat, September 19, 2009 - 10:20 AMOh, I'll say one thing more. We initially toyed with a "Bike Go Round" idea, just to add a little Playa whimsy, such that sometime after you park your bike, the whole thing rotates so your bike isn't exactly where you left it. Decided that when you add that to the normal effects of inebriation and chemical abuse, that just adds up to the potential for waaaaay too many bikes left out there at the end of the week.
Fun thought, though.
All this to say that it doesn't take a double blind study to know that the biggest component of bikes being left behind and lost is fucked-up-edness. -
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Sat, September 19, 2009 - 10:28 AMThat and the phenomenon whereby many of the "landmarks" that we use to triangulate on when we set our bikes down are temporary and ephemeral, i.e. art cars. Add in the hundreds of bikes that magically appear in the deserted corner where we set our own bike down 1/2 an hour ago, and it's a recipe for disaster.
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Sat, September 19, 2009 - 11:05 AMOK, you've got me on a roll here so I ain't shutting up just yet.
We should look at the ski industry, how they address issues of lost/stolen skis on those mobbed holiday weekends. They do this in a number of ways:
1) coin-operated ski lockers, where you can actually lock your skis in and take the key with you -- expensive, but also potentially a source of revenue, if it were permitted on the Playa.
2) lots and lots of ski racks, each with a unique sign (e.g. different US states) so you can lock up and remember where you put your gear.
3) ski check service, whereby you put your skis in the hands of someone who's supposed to put them in secured storage and not take them out again until you provide your claim ticket -- requires people giving up part of their Burn to be the secured storage attendant. Not so sure if this will work at BM -- flake factor too darned high, and who wants to work that hard? Yeah, I know we get volunteers for greeting, for selling coffee, for selling ice, etc., but I'm pretty sure self-service is the way to go for us.
I don't think ANY of the resorts actually create "public art" that doubles as mass parking/storage so we're ahead of them there already.
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Sat, September 19, 2009 - 12:04 PMOr, better name (drum roll, please):
OCTO-RACK BIKE-NO-GON
Thank you. Thank you very much.
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Sat, September 19, 2009 - 12:13 PM"I DON'T think we can afford the luxury of going and collecting data another year before we address this civic problem. "
Okay, wha? How in the hell is that a "luxury" just exactly? The "luxury" is NOT locking your bikes, or getting high off your ass and "losing" your bikes. It's a luxury to live in a city where you don't even need a bike, never mind a car, for a week. I had a few friends who didn't have bikes this year for one reason or another, as I do every year. I guess that’s why the yellow bikes are so popular.
No one is going to die if there aren't bike racks anywhere out there next year, much less artsy fartsy ones every two hours on the Esplanade and more every three letters in. Bikes get stolen every year. Bikes get lost every year. Bikes get borrowed, and bikes get broken every damn year.
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Sat, September 19, 2009 - 12:17 PMOK, you guys go run your study next summer. All power to you.
Me, I wanna bring a pretty bike rack. :) -
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Sat, September 19, 2009 - 12:24 PMBringing pretty things is always nice. Bringing pretty useful things is, in my humble opinion, always nicer.
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Sat, September 19, 2009 - 12:58 PM<<Octobike Racktipus. That's all I'm sayin'. :)>>
That's all ya need to say darlin'!
Love it!!!!!
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Sat, September 19, 2009 - 5:01 PMAnother idea, which would require a significant commitment of labor, would be to have valet parking for bikes. This could be developed into a really entertaining schtick. You'd have a bike corral tended by one or two valets, who would give you a ticket for your bike, with the rule "no ticket, no bike."
As long as the valets had a filing system and were reasonably sober, the problem of misplaced bikes or mis-taken bikes should be eliminated. -
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Sat, September 19, 2009 - 6:20 PMI think Jason made some very good points.I think it is important to sort out bikes that are "borrowed" from bikes that are actually stolen.Although both are entirely wrong,if most of these bikes are "borrowed",then simply tieing your wheel to your frame should be enough."Borrowers" arent going to put in the effort to untie knots and such.Ive heard of peoples locked bikes getting stolen,but I believe this is a minority,and that most seperated bikes are due to "desperate" people,who dont consider the people who will be missing their bikes.
I had a friend this year suggest that I "borrow" a bike when she wanted to meet me somewhere,and I was away from my bike.I told her I dont do that kind of thing,and walked there instead.But it made me realize how easy it is for some people to "borrow" things without asking,and how often it probably happens at BRC.
My suggestion is that if you believe your bike was stolen,try to wait until Monday evening,and search all of the heavy traffic areas.You'll probably find your bike,because it was probably abandoned. -
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Sun, September 20, 2009 - 11:59 AM>Ive heard of peoples locked bikes getting stolen<
I have to and I don't believe they are stolen. Really, do you think someone walks around with a cable cutting tool, which is rather heavy, thinking that I will go after the 5% of bikes that have a lock rather than take an un-locked bike? I would suggest that >95% ofthe bikes with locks that are 'stolen' are simply removed from things and places they are suppose to be locked to or at. -
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Sun, September 20, 2009 - 2:14 PM"I would suggest that >95% ofthe bikes with locks that are 'stolen' are simply removed from things and places they are suppose to be locked to or at. "
I was helping the guys with the Shiva Vista stage last year and spent a few hours non-stop telling people that the giant flame cannons were NOT bike racks.
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Sun, September 20, 2009 - 3:25 PM>Really, do you think someone walks around with a cable cutting tool, which is rather heavy, thinking that I will go after the 5% of bikes that have a lock rather than take an un-locked bike<
You may not believe it, but that is exactly what happened to me. My bike was locked to my wife's bike with a cable. She went to her bike and found the cable cut, her bike still there (minus its headlight) and my bike gone. I think I still have the cable halves still floating around somewhere. -
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Sun, September 20, 2009 - 4:02 PM>You may not believe it<
Oh, I believe your lock was cut and the bike removed, but I don't believe that bike thieves are roaming around cutting locks and stealing bikes. I mean, must have been one hell of a headlight if someone is willing to buy a ticket to come to the event and steal it.
What was your bike locked to? Where was it locked?
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Thu, October 1, 2009 - 10:37 PM
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Sat, September 19, 2009 - 9:02 PMThere was a camp out there this year with "valet parking" on A, I believe. Probably wrong, but I did most definitely see a booth in front of a camp. -
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Sat, September 19, 2009 - 9:55 PM
1) make your playa bike completely unique looking, so that it could not possibly be mistaken for any other bike. I'd suggest something ugly/ gaudy/ crazy, as well as a 'theme'. An orange bike with black polka dots and rubber mice gooped or wired on would be a 'swiss cheese' bike. Animals of any kind are a good theme too. Images you get from the internet or cut out of a magazine can be made into stickers pretty cheaply, of if you want to be super cheap just use wheat paste to attach the images to your bike and put transparent packing tape over these to protect them. Get a flag for your bike and customize that too. Give your bike a name based on the theme, like the 'Cheese bike' or 'The leopard bike'. =PUT THAT NAME ON THE BIKE FRAME=
2) Use tape (transparent packing tape over a label), engrave, or spray paint your name, camp and home address somewhere on the bike frame. This doesn't have to be located in an obvious place. Underneath the front of the bike frame behind where the front wheel is would be a good 'hidden', but easy to find location.
3) Take a photograph of your bicycle, as well as all it's unique identifying features. Make a photo montage of all your bike's unique features.
4) Put the photo or photo montage of your bike on a business card with your playa name and contact info. Hand out the business card to any new people you meet on the playa as a way of introducing yourself. Even if your bike is never stolen, these people will remember you and recognize you from your unique bike.
5) Use that photograph and put the image of your bicycle on a T-shirt, maybe with lettering that says "Have you seen this bike?" (or a more friendly "Have you seen the Swiss Cheese bike? Leopard bike? Marylin Monroe bike?", etc. based on the theme.)
Iron-on shirt transfers can be purchased for about $20 for a pack of 12. T-shirts can be purchased for about $2 each, so you could even make enough T-shirts for your friends or people in your camp to wear. (Note: This only works if you don't have to cross an international border to get to Burning Man.)
That way, you become a walking billboard advertisement for your stolen bike whenever you wear the shirt.
Optionally, you could put your contact information on the =back= of the shirt. It takes people's brains a few seconds to process the information they saw on front of the shirt as you/ they walk past, and by the time the light bulb goes off they might turn around to see who you are, wondering what you look like from the back amongst the crowd.
I would also put 'Metropolis' and Burning Man 2010', as well as the Burning Man symbol on the shirt too, )'( to make it valuable as a gift or souvenir.
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Sun, September 20, 2009 - 1:25 AMWell how about a upgrade in the solution of the cable lock. Why not make it a welded link chain with a very thick lock, that would take some straight up brute strength to cut.. I know it might be tough to lug something like that around, but it will be worth it. Honestly this was my first year and I feel I am lucky because I left my $700 Specialized bike unlocked at center camp and in my camp and it never got stolen, but seeing so many stories about bike theft makes me plan ahead for next year. Me and my fiance brought U-locks this year but obviously its hard to use them in certain places. -
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Sun, September 20, 2009 - 4:16 AMI took someone's bike after using the porta potty. He/she must have thought my bike was his and drove off. I later discovered I took the wrong bike when I got to camp. Shit happens on the Playa and I felt real bad afterwards. How would I get my bike back and how would I return the one I mistakenly took? They were So close in looking like the same bike.
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Sun, September 20, 2009 - 4:17 AMJust bring a shitty bike to the Playa. This way if it gets stolen or mistakenly taken (like mine did), you won't cry afterwards. -
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Sun, September 20, 2009 - 5:00 AMI took two bikes and loaned one to someone who came from Scotland and didn't have one. Later, when she hooked up with some guy and disappeared, I loaned it to a girl in that same camp who had loaned hers to a friend whose bike was left behind by the people who flaked on bringing it. After the burn I gave it to another friend in that same camp and saved myself the hassle of bringing it home and storing it for a year. The total cost of those two bikes was $15. My precious Bianchi stays at home. -
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Sun, September 20, 2009 - 9:11 AMI gotta say that these people that get on another bike "by mistake" must have a numb ass.
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Sun, September 20, 2009 - 12:38 PMI had virgins in my camp this year tell me that they were told that it's okay to take other people's stuff on the Playa, that anyone can borrow anyone else's shit.
Some people will believe any dumb-ass story they're told, as long as it conveniences them in some way.
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Sun, September 20, 2009 - 3:09 PMJust noodling on this problem, with reruns of Lonesome Dove playing in the background, and it occurs to me that our bikes are our transportation, our means of carting ice back to our camps, etc. etc. That makes them as important to us as horses were to people settling/taming the wild West. And back in those days, horse thievery was about the only crime you could shoot a man for and NOT get hung yourself.
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Sun, September 20, 2009 - 5:06 PMi like the idea of submitting an art grant for sculptures that are specifically for locking bikes to and then placed in front of the sound camps.
would OT be willing to kick down some fundage for that? or is that met with laughter, while they fly in DJ's from around the world to play for a couple hours?
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Sun, September 20, 2009 - 10:06 PM"Just noodling on this problem, with reruns of Lonesome Dove playing in the background, and it occurs to me that our bikes are our transportation, our means of carting ice back to our camps, etc. etc. That makes them as important to us as horses were to people settling/taming the wild West. And back in those days, horse thievery was about the only crime you could shoot a man for and NOT get hung yourself.
Just sayin'. "
Big difference here would be the proportion of my net worth that went into my $15 dollar bike, or even my $700 bike, verses the proportion of the average person’s net worth in the old West represented by his horse. If it were that big a deal, I shouldn’t be spending over a grand, plus time off from work, to attend this little shindig in the first place. -
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Re: bike thiefs solution
Sun, September 20, 2009 - 11:50 PMjust drive already, nobody's actually checking!
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Re: bike thiefs solution
Sun, September 20, 2009 - 6:18 PMI have a simpler solution.
Ditch yer damn bike and walk. It's good for you. -
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Sun, September 20, 2009 - 11:50 PMYou walk everywhere you go, it is good for you but riding a bike is better... Your body is used to walking so you do not get much exercise from it, also, you get less blisters from riding your bike. -
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Mon, September 21, 2009 - 3:43 PMI'd argue that walking in BRC makes the entire thing more enjoyable. You're interacting with people instead of speeding past them and leaving your bulky two-wheeled (and likely darkwad) moop lying on the open playa, where anyone may trip or ride over it at night.
Oh, and shoes that fit = no blisters.
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Mon, September 21, 2009 - 12:47 AMI love brainstorming all these great solutions. In addition to 10 and 2 locations, in front of every rank of portos would also be good spots for bike racks, and a valet. The valet could also hand out TP and dispense hand sanitizer.
How about cable locks that deliver a fatal electric shock if the insulation is cut?
If it's to expensive to supply racks in every convenient location, or locks themselves are part of the problem, maybe we could centralize the solution.
I propose proactive bike theft.
A couple of art cars will cruse the city looking for unlocked bikes, load them up and transport them to a centralized location. Individuals (perhaps a bounty hunter theme camp?) could also turn in unlocked bikes for vouchers redeemable for ice or souvenir t-shirts. You'd have one location to look instead of turning your whole experience into a theft investigation. Hey, hey, I know! Transport the proactively stolen bikes to a camp on the esplanade. If unclaimed, every day at dusk they'll be doused with lighter fluid, set a flame and launched via catapult out into the playa. It'll be a way of participating in art that is created throughout the week.
OOh ooh! I know! I know! Bmorg can sell mandatory bike registration kits along with the tickets. The kit comes with a little RF transponder you implant in the bike seat. Probably only run $150 per bike. On exit there will be powerful sensors that alert if they detect a bike that's been reported stolen. They'll also log all bikes leaving with a photo of the vehicle's license plate and driver, in case anything is reported stolen later. If any bike is left abandoned in the city, locked or not, they'll easily be able to tell who the registrant is. Whether the bike is stolen or abandoned, the offending party will have their hands cut off, either on exit, or the honor system. Repeat offenders will be banned from the event.
Or maybe I'll just lock my uniquely marked, inexpensive bike to an appropriate rack, car bumper or group of friend's bikes.
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Mon, September 21, 2009 - 10:21 AMI would reiterate what a couple people here have said already. I think if you lock your bike to itself (wheel to frame) it is highly unlikely that it will get stolen. If someone is out to steal a bike, why would they go to the trouble of carrying it away or cutting a lock when there are literally thousands of unlocked bikes around that would be much easier and quicker to take? Thieves tend to take the path of least resistance. I can't imagine a thief bothering to steal a locked bike in BRC unless it is an expensive one, in which case, it probably shouldn't be on the playa in the first place. There's no way to make your bike 100% theft proof. Best you can do is play the odds, and odds are, if you have a beater bike locked it to itself, it will be fine. If not, go to the Reno casinos on the way out, because you've just scored a major longshot. -
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Fri, September 25, 2009 - 12:23 PMYou could have some fun with this, while maybe catching a thief in the act:
Place a nice bike in a public place, a place where you and your camp mates can see it. Attach a very thin, but strong cable to the bike and the other end to something that won't move, like a rebar driven into the ground. 25 or 30 feet of cable should work nicely. If you can partially bury the cable in the playa dust, even better.
Now, sit back and watch what happens. If all goes well, a thief will get onto the bike and start riding. When he gets to the end of the cable, the bike stops suddenly, and hopefully the thief will be thrown over the handlebars.
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Fri, September 25, 2009 - 4:41 PM"would OT be willing to kick down some fundage for that?"
the more you save bikes from beeing stolen or borrowed the less you need yellow bikes and the less the yellow bikes are used. Most yellow bikes get pretty damaged and need to be repaired which as some cost and diminishes the numeber available towrds the end of the event. This actually when they are most needed, when attendance is maximum and when bike theft peaks. Bike rakes don't need maintenance and can be reused from year to year. Even if one bike rack can save 2 or 3 bikes from beeing stolen they are already finacialy worth over 1 night.
I also prefer collective actions than individualism.
Most animals figured out a while ago that "radical self reliance" was not the solution.
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Fri, September 25, 2009 - 4:49 PM"I would reiterate what a couple people here have said already. I think if you lock your bike to itself (wheel to frame) it is highly unlikely that it will get stolen. If someone is out to steal a bike, why would they go to the trouble of carrying it away or cutting a lock when there are literally thousands of unlocked bikes around that would be much easier and quicker to take? Thieves tend to take the path of least resistance. I can't imagine a thief bothering to steal a locked bike in BRC unless it is an expensive one, in which case, it probably shouldn't be on the playa in the first place. There's no way to make your bike 100% theft proof. Best you can do is play the odds, and odds are, if you have a beater bike locked it to itself, it will be fine. If not, go to the Reno casinos on the way out, because you've just scored a major longshot."
more and more thefts do this to resale the bike at the end. Think about how many can't attend to burning man because of the price. it has become a business (or just a way to pay for the ticket and the expenses to come to BM) on sunday night and the following days. So if a bike is worth it they will cut the cable or carry the bike with them. They will also take parts of bikes. The last two years i looked for my stolen bikes at the end and i saw tons of cut cables and parts of bike.
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Re: bike thiefs solution
Fri, September 25, 2009 - 4:54 PMplant several decoy bikes around, stake out with cops or rangers, when thieves hit, make sure you can run fast and get em.
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Re: bike thiefs solution
Fri, September 25, 2009 - 6:13 PMMaybe everyone should be required to bring a bike or two - that way, everyone makes out like a bike bandit!