I know why my minimag died. The point I was making is that if I were a person who did that to her flashlight every year, it would be a very environmentally damaging--and avoidable--thing. So, if we're talking cradle to grave, the extra wasteful usage has to be included. I was really bad with tents, I think Scott and I bought a new one every year. When we left playa we were so fucking burnt that we didn't take care of it then, and it just sort of settled into something that never got done. Taking care of things takes energy. We have finite lives. We make choices--consciously or unconsciously--about how to deal with things. Sometimes we don't take the greenest route. I think the LA Decomp Organizers got a little prissy and self-righteous when they banned glows. You ban enough things because of the environmental cost, then you don't go to the burn. YOu don't turn on your computer. You just sit in a hole and wait to die. I believe in doing as little damage as possible. I also believe that past a certain point you don't get on other people's cases. Those poor schmucks who might have brought glow to la decomp are such a small part of the problem that it doesn't seem worth the time to go after them. I mean, whatever might have been saved, energy wise--if anything--has quite possibly been wiped out by keeping that thread on tribe's servers and by people reading it. It's back to my complaint about the complaints about Green Man. Focusing on one week, or one day, as opposed to the other 51 or 364 really doesn't give you much leverage in actual change.