urine drinking??? shivambu

topic posted Sun, March 19, 2006 - 5:44 PM by  stevie
did anyone hear about the prime minister of india curing himself of cancer by drinking his own urine???? well when i heard this i thought id read up about it - (learnt about it on a yoga course i underwent in rishikesh india ) - it turns out that shiva drank it before meditation - i thought id email Dr Karl <www.abc.net.au/science/k2/aboutkk.htm> + <abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/>
about it - and this was the reply - thought id share it with anyone that was interested - can anyone else share any info on this topic????:-)
sorry about the formatting its the way the email reply came to me:-)

URINE DRINKING
BOOK
YouÕd probably have to be mighty thirsty to drink your own urine, but millions of people do it every day. Recent research shows it might not be such a crazy idea - and this research could lead us to the Òjet lagÓ pill.
People have been drinking their own urine for thousands of years. A few Prime Ministers of India, Morarji Desai and Mahatma Ghandi, did it every day. According to Paul Keating, Queen Beatrice of The Netherlands actually drank a glass of pig urine on Dutch TV, to ÒproveÓ that Dutch pork was of the highest standard.
Some supporters of urine-drinking claim that it is mentioned in the Bible. Proverbs 5: 15 says ÒDrink thy waters of thine own cisternÓ , while John 7: 38 says ÒOut of his belly shall flow rivers of living watersÓ.
However, some old Indian documents are very definite about the benefits of drinking your own urine.
The ancient yogic text, ÒDamara TantraÓ, refers to a technique called Òshivambu kalpa vidhiÓ, which means literally Òurine revitalising techniqueÓ. In this text it says Òa sensible man gets up early in the morning when three quarters of the night has passed (about 3 or 4 AM), faces east and passes urine. The initial and concluding flow of urine is to be discarded. The intermediate flow is to be consumed. This is the most suitable methodÓ. In other words, drink your own mid-stream urine, very early in the morning. They called this habit ÒamaroliÓ - and it was supposed to help them meditate.
But other people claimed medical benefits from urine. As recently as 1863, the habit of injecting urine was mentioned in a book called ÒThe Physiological Memoirs of Surgeon-General Hammond, U.S. ArmyÓ. He recommended using a hypodermic needle and syringe.
Today in alternative medicine, the healing use of urine is called ÒuropathyÓ. It is claimed to cure everything from cancer to AIDS. ItÕs used in every form imaginable. Patients are supposed to drink it, squirt it into various body orifices to use it as an enema or a gargle or a douche, dribble it into their eyes and ears as drops,. If theyÕre a little shy, they can start off with just sniffing urine. Certainly many athletes claim that washing your feet with urine heals blisters very rapidly.
Normally, your body makes about 1 ml of urine per minute - about a small glassful every hour. Urine is about 95% water and about 5% solids. These solids include vitamins, proteins, enzymes, salts, uric acid, prostaglandins, and a recently-discovered hormone called melatonin.
Melatonin is the probably the reason the ancient yogis drank their own urine. Melatonin is made by the pineal gland, which the French philosopher and mathematician Descartes called Òthe seat of the soulÓ.
As a drug, melatonin has a wide range of effects. If you eat it or drink it or sniff it, you can get everything from mild sedation, pain relief, sleep, a feeling of Òemotional balanceÓ, increased visual imagery, and feelings of elation right up to an alteration in your ability to estimate time. Melatonin is produced by the pineal gland only when your eyes are shut. In your blood, the levels of melatonin peaks around 2 AM, but there are significant quantities made between midnight and 6 AM.
It turns out that beta blockers, a drug commonly given for high blood pressure, prevent this night time release of melatonin. This might explain why beta blockers sometimes cause nightmares.
Now the yogic ritual is to get up at 4 AM, drink your own urine and then meditate. Any urine made after 2 AM is loaded with melatonin, and this melatonin might relieve some of the physical pain of sitting motionless and cross-legged for two hours. It would certainly make your meditation easier if you also had increased visual imagery, and feelings of elation. Also the melatonin helps to reset your body clock, and it fools your body into thinking that it has had enough sleep. In fact, scientists are looking at using melatonin as a pill to protect you against jet lag, by re-setting your body clock.
The yogic texts also say that the urine of children is superior to that of adults. The pineal gland in children produces more melatonin, and this is why children sleep longer than adults. The urine of children has much more melatonin than the urine of adults. The extra melatonin would help the meditation.
The yogic texts also say that you should drink your own urine every day for over a month before you get the full effect. Studies have shown that you need to take melatonin for about a month to lock in your sleep cycles.
So the ancient yogic texts were right. A glass of urine a day could keep the stress away. Drinking your own urine could be very handy if you have a big project coming up, and need to burn the candle at both ends. If urine becomes really valuable, maybe recycled lemonade will cost more than fresh lemonade.

PINEAL GLAND - BIOLOGICAL CLOCK

The pineal gland is a small white gland buried nearly in the centre of the brain. It is shaped like a tiny pinecone, is about 8 mm long, and weighs about the same as a house spider - about one tenth of a gram.
Parts of the pineal gland turn to calcium quite early in life. Doctors who see this calcium on X-rays have long called it Òbrain sandÓ. They found it useful as a marker of the mid-line on X-rays of the skull. Brain sand is found in 30% of people aged 10-20 years, and in 80% of people over 30 years old.
During the day, the pineal gland turns tryptophan into serotonin. At night, it converts the serotonin into melatonin - the chemical that helped the early yogis meditate. So the pineal gland turns information about light (and how many hours of light there are each day) into the hormone, melatonin
The pineal gland is quite small in animals that live near the Equator - where the days are always 12 hours long, and the timing for breeding is not so critical. But near the North and South Poles, the timing is more critical, and the pineal gland is larger. In the newborn elephant seal, the pineal gland takes up 50% of the brain weight!

THE HISTORY OF THE PINEAL GLAND

Practically all animals with backbones over the last 500 million years have had a pineal gland. The pineal gland feeds information about the length of the day and the season to the Òmaster clockÓ elsewhere in the brain.
In the tuatara, the primitive New Zealand lizard, the pineal gland sits just beneath the skin on the skull. In some lizards the pineal gland is exposed to daylight through a clear window on the back of its head. Perhaps the pineal gland is the famous Òthird eyeÓ of the mystical East.
Herophilus, in the fourth century BC, claimed that the pineal gland was a ÒvalveÓ that regulated the flow of thought out of little storage bins in the brain.
RenŽ Descartes, around 1640, believed that the rational soul lived in the pineal gland. He claimed that information about events in the real world entered the eyes, and then passed by ÒstringsÓ in the brain to the pineal gland. The pineal gland reacted by sending ÒhumoursÓ down hollow tubes to various muscles of the body. He was very close to the truth.
In 1918, a Swedish anatomist, Nils Holmgren, found that some cells in the pineal gland of the frog and the dogfish were surprisingly similar to the light-detecting cells in the retina.
In 1958, melatonin was isolated by Lerner and his colleagues at Yale University. The chemists took 4 years to extract the melatonin from the collected pineal glands of 200,000 cattle.

MELATONIN - THE DRACULA HORMONE

Scientists call melatonin ÒThe Dracula HormoneÓ because the blood levels are much higher at night. They also call it ÒThe Hormone of DarknessÓ for the same reason, and also because we know so little about it.
Daytime blood levels of melatonin (in people of all ages) are 17-43 pmol/l. Nighttime levels depend on your age. They are around 1080 pmol/l in children aged 1-3 years, 520 pmol/l in children and adolescents 8-15 years old, and they gradually drop until they reach levels of about 86 pmol/l in adults aged 50-70 years.
Melatonin production is completely switched off by very bright light (about 2,500 lux). Typical indoor lighting is around 250-500 lux. Outdoor brightness ranges from 10,000 lux (cloudy day in northern Europe) to 80,000 lux (sunny day near the Equator).

JET LAG AND MELATONIN

ÒJet lagÓ is the disruption of your internal body clock. You want your breakfast porridge when everybody else wants dinner. About 15% of travellers never get jet lag, 15% will be bed-ridden by it, while 70% can get by, but donÕt feel great. You need about one day to reset your clock from the shock of crossing one time zone. So it will take you 12 days to recover from flying halfway around the world over 12 time zones.
The standard advice depends on which way you are flying. If you are heading EAST over six or fewer time zones, expose yourself beforehand to natural morning light for about 3-4 hours. But if youÕre planning to cover more than six time zones, avoid the morning light and get the midday light. If you are heading WEST over six or fewer time zones, expose yourself to natural afternoon light for about 3-4 hours. But if youÕre planning to cover more than six time zones, avoid the afternoon light and get the midday light.
But this could all change when the melatonin pill becomes available. If you take melatonin in the morning, it delays your body clock. If you take melatonin in the afternoon or early evening, it advances your body clock. So adjusting for jet lag could be as easy as taking a pill at the right time!

URINE - CLEANER THAN SALIVA?

Most people think that urine is full of germs. TheyÕre wrong - urine has fewer germs than your mouth, or the water you get out of a tap.
Normally, urine is ÒsterileÓ. This medical jargon means that there are no significant numbers of bacteria. If you were to take a few millilitres of urine, and add some germ-free food-for-bacteria, no bacteria would grow. But if you were unlucky to have a Urinary Tract Infection, then there would be bacteria in your urine. These bacteria would grow in the presence of bacteria-food. A microbiologist could recognise these bacteria, and test to find which antibiotics would kill them. Then your doctor would prescribe the most appropriate antibiotic.
So while your urine might not seem very delicious or tasty to drink, at least it has fewer bacteria than your own saliva.

URINE-DRINKING IN TAIWAN

About 200,000 Taiwanese drink their own urine every morning. This movement began when Chen Ching-chuan met an old war friend, after 14 years separation. To his surprise, his old friend had not aged. His friend said he had been drinking his own urine - so Mr. Chen followed his example.
Mr. Chen ran into trouble with the local police, when he recently had to apply for a new identification card. He looked 44 years old, not 64 - but luckily, a friend gave the needed identification. The urine-drinking movement is now so popular that it even runs a Urine Therapy Hot Line.

REFERENCES:

ÒThe Pineal GlandÓ by Richard J. Wurtman and Julius Axelrod, Scientific American, July 1965, pp 50-60

ÒGrayÕs AnatomyÓ, by Roger Warwick & Peter L. Williams, Longman, 1973 (35th edition), ISBN 0 443 01011 0, pp 372, 1371, 1373

Clinical Neuroanatomy for Medical Students by Richard S. Snell, 1980, Little, Brown & Company, ISBN 0-316-80213-1, pp 226-227

The Body Book by David Bodanis, 1984, Little, Brown & Company, ISBN 0-316-10072-2, p 286

ÒA Clockwork GlandÓ by Bruce Fellman, Science 85, May, pp 76-81

ÒThe pineal: a gland that measures time?Ó by Josephine Arendt, New Scientist, No. 1466, 25 July 1985, pp 36-39

ÒA gland for all seasonsÓ by Andrew Loudon, New Scientist, No. 1466, 25 July 1985, pp 40-43

Human Physiology by William F. Ganong, 1987, Appleton and Lange, pp 82, 387

The Body in Time by Kenneth John Rose, 1988, John Wiley & Sons, ISBN 0-471-85762-9, pp 91-92

Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopaedia, 1989, Van Nostrand Reinhold, ISBN 0-442-31816-2, p 2224

ÒCarbohydrates and DepressionÓ by Richard J. Wurtman and Judith J. Wurtman, Scientific American, January 1989, pp 50-57

ÒClear as UrineÓ, New Scientist, No. 1718, 26 May 1990, p 10

ÒThe longest day: 14 1/2 hours of sunlightÓ by Deborah Smith, Sydney Morning Herald, 22 December 1990, p 5

ÒLight Dawns on the Body ClockÓ by James Waterhouse, New Scientist, No. 1792, 26 October 1991, pp 22-26

*****ÒMelatonin Supplementation from Early Morning Auto-Urine DrinkingÓ, by M. H. Mills and T. A. Faunce, Medical Hypotheses (1991) 36, pp 195-199

*****ÒA Glass of Urine a Day keeps the Stress AwayÓ by Gail Vines, New Scientist, No. 1810, 29 February 1992, p.14

ÒMore to Winter BluesÓ by Marilyn Bitomsky, Medical Observer, 1st May 1992, p 24

ÒHandling the Drag of Jet LagÓ by Diana Simicevic, Sydney Morning Herald, 8 October 1992, p 27

ÒBrief Report: Melatonin-Related Hypogonadotropic HypogodanismÓ by Manuel Puig-Domingo et al, New England Journal of Medicine, Vol 327, No 19, 5 November 1992, pp 1356-1359

*****Melatonin - the Hormone of DarknessÓ by Robert D. Utiger, New England Journal of Medicine, Vol 327, No 19, 5 November 1992, pp 1377-1379

***ÒGolden virtues of a full-bodied brewÓ, Australian Doctor Weekly, 27 November 1992, p 51

ÒÔDracula pillÕ resets our body clocksÓ by Don Radcliffe, Medical Observer, 11 December 1992, p 21

ÒThis is hard to swallowÓ, The Australian, 14 January 1993, p 9

Melba, The Australian, 15 January 1993, p 13

© Karl S. Kruszelnicki 1993
 He was right. Nerves do run, via the optic nerve, from the retina to the suprachiasmatic nuclei (SCN), which are a key circadian oscillator. From the SCN in the hypothalamus, nerves run to the reticular system, then to the spinal cord, and thence to the superior cervical ganglia. From there, adrenergic postganglionic sympathetic fibers (the conarian nerve) run to the pineal gland, travelling along with the glandÕs blood supply (in the wall of the straight sinus).
 He was half right. The pineal gland does send out at least one ÒhumourÓ, melatonin. It sends it into the blood stream, and also into the cerebrospinal fluid (CSF). In fact, the level in the CSF is much higher than the levels in the blood.

posted by:
stevie
Sydney
  • Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

    Sun, March 19, 2006 - 8:15 PM
    1. If your urine contains melatonin, why not just take a melatonin pill? At NIGHT, when you are supposed to take melatonin?
    2. Urine is a waste product. It contains all the stuff flushed from our bodies that we can't use, random toxins, etc etc..... why would you PUT THIS BACK in your body? If your body couldn't use it the first time, do you think your body will use it the second time?

    <snort>
    • Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

      Sun, March 19, 2006 - 8:34 PM
      what's with all of these morons posting lately?
      • Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

        Sun, March 19, 2006 - 9:36 PM
        Not sure about all these moronic posts lately... but I've noticed.

        Notice how many posts to links to things not really related to burning man? And I don't mean the ones that are blatant spam. And who are all these newbies? I'm not knocking newbies, real ones are welcome and encouraged, and you can tell the real newbies. It's the ones who post links to sites really not related to burning man or BRC and have names that are either too obviously Christian or too hippieish to be real. Look at their names and when they joined, their pics, and who their friends are. I am suspect of them, and no, I'm not being paranoid, I've been noticing this for a few months now and can't keep quiet anymore. Have you noticed how some of the newbies I question ask for detailed experiences about our burning man experiences? It just doesn't feel right, and my hackles are up. Their questions just don't have the tone of curious newbies or a returnee looking for advice. Not to me anyway.

        Maybe it's just me, but my gut is telling me some of these people have alterior motives, and my gut instinct is rarely wrong. Hopefully, I'm wrong this time and am just being overly sensitive.
        • Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

          Tue, March 21, 2006 - 1:01 PM
          hello,
          excuse me if i am a "newbie" since i have never posted to this thread (but have been to BM 4 times) it is interesting to read and observe people and the way they communicate. and i found this post quite fascinating. granted it had nothing to do with BM, but perhaps the writer thought some of you might be interested in it?? in any case, you could see the subject and you still had to open it up and read it, and then you had to crap on somebodys head for sharing information that some might find interesting.
          what i found disgusting was the attitude some of you took to this information.

          i expected more of you. (of course i am not judging the whole community on who posts replies to this particular thread) come on people... where are your minds? stuck inside that tiny box of yours??

          "Look at their names and when they joined, their pics, and who their friends are. I am suspect of them, and no, I'm not being paranoid, I've been noticing this for a few months now and can't keep quiet anymore. "

          so, only the people who joined many years ago and who have "real" BMesque name and have cool friends are worthy????????

          shame on you

          • Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

            Tue, March 21, 2006 - 1:18 PM
            Ok so somebody posts something off-topic and silly at best but we aren't allowed to comment on this because it might offend the original poster because he spent all that time cutting and pasting this garbage??? This has zero to do with being new or how many years you've been to the playa. These are just comments about an absurd post. Think what you want of me but anybody posting that drinking ones own piss is a good idea is just screaming to be commented on.
          • Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

            Tue, March 21, 2006 - 2:41 PM
            >in any case, you could see the subject and you still had to open it up and read it, and then you had to crap on somebodys head for sharing information that some might find interesting.
            what i found disgusting was the attitude some of you took to this information.

            Then you drink his piss - hippie.
          • Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

            Tue, March 21, 2006 - 10:00 PM
            ıts not ınformatıon you damn hıppıe ıts crap!
            • Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

              Tue, March 21, 2006 - 10:01 PM
              the only good reason to drınk your own pee ıs ıf ıt turns you on. and even then you shouldnt do ıt too much or ıt wıll damage your lıver.
              • Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

                Tue, March 21, 2006 - 10:28 PM
                NovySan, that news story was harsh! Ugh!! That poor guy. What a sorry, sorry person. (If the rest of you don't know what I'm talking about, then it's probably a good thing. No real need to go there.)

                Btw, this is one of the funniest threads I've ever read in this tribe. Some of these posts are truly brilliant.

                • Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

                  Wed, March 22, 2006 - 1:15 PM
                  Yup,it was harsh. And I didn't necessarily post to be facetious. I was actually wondering, given the information in the original post about the chemical make up, if indeed, there was a biochemical aspect to the behaviour, in addition to the OCD apect.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

                    Wed, March 22, 2006 - 1:57 PM
                    well novy san,

                    you might remember the story of my as day was dawning drink last year in the desert.

                    once was enough for me.
                    • Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

                      Wed, March 22, 2006 - 2:58 PM
                      And of course we know the psycho-active ingredient in different forms of mushrooms gets passed through mostly unchanged. Shamans in extreme nothern tribes will drink their urine a few times to extend a trance state. There's also a system by which poorer members of the tribe will come and gather bowls ofurine from members who are tripping. Talk about "trickle down economics!"
  • O.P.P.

    Tue, March 21, 2006 - 2:01 PM
    Does it work if I drink O.P.P ? (other people's piss)

    If so, I'm going to throw a big ol' piss party.

    "Eveybody say AAAAAAAHHHHH!"
    • Re: O.P.P.

      Tue, March 21, 2006 - 5:02 PM
      "Does it work if I drink O.P.P ? (other people's piss)
      If so, I'm going to throw a big ol' piss party. "


      Uh, it's already being done. All these fans of the prime minister of India get together at Blow Buddies in SF a couple times a month and celebrate the great restorative powers of urine. I think there's also a lot of ritual involved, ceremonial clothing, etc.
      URL: www.blowbuddies.com/gsb.html
  • Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

    Tue, March 21, 2006 - 6:15 PM
    hi all. i would like to share the energy of love and peace to this world. i honor all of us here because we share the commonality of divinity. there is more going on around this world then we may ever learn in one lifetime, and more to learn of our past then we may be able to comprehend in this moment. the great thing about relaxing the power of perception is that as we gain new insight we can gain new perceptions. there is too much fighting in this world there is too much anger and need for the division of right and wrong. none of this really matters, and yet it is a great way to see where we are individually in our perceptions and judgements. yogis in particular, do a lot of crazy things. stopping the beating of the heart, holding headstands for half an hour with their head under sand, drinking urine......all it really is there to show is that we are much more capable then we allow ourselves to be. there is much more there than we can concieve of, and like creating art, it is all fascinating, it is all testing the edge of that which we have been told by mother culture is all we are capable of. it is about freedom. it is about enlightenment. it is about letting go. that is the joy of burning man. that is the joy of life. thats all any of this is.
  • Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

    Tue, March 21, 2006 - 7:36 PM
    sometimes it's a tough job being me....
    • Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

      Tue, March 21, 2006 - 8:57 PM
      try drinking your own pee...
      • Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

        Tue, March 21, 2006 - 11:23 PM
        Sheeeit Jason L.

        Delete the whole thread or leave it alone.

        I consider these weird off topic posts followed by posts from "actual" burners to be a source of education to those new to the list and I gotta believe that if you delete individual posts leaving no hint of what it was you deleted that it implies that the original post was valid while the responses weren't?!

        And I don't believe that.

        Sas
        • Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

          Wed, March 22, 2006 - 2:42 AM
          Yep... responses are good.

          We learn a lot from other people. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's not. Our default social structure is so survival of the fittest, bestest, prettiest. Be PC and you're ok. Fuck that. It's good to come here and speak my mind and not be judged. I am more challenged to think about my own ingrained ways of thinking when I see posts that do not agree with what I think I believe. I have learned from my BM experiences that we are who we are, and our opinions are listened to, no matter who we are or what we do. It's a very freeing thing. For me anyway.

          And no, I won't be drinking any piss, I'll stick to Gatorade and water and PBR. I Might be eating some crap, but that's it. Hopefully, it'll be bacon flavored crap.


        • Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

          Wed, March 22, 2006 - 11:53 AM
          actually Sas. i requested jason to delete the posts.

          if you are really interested PM me and i will show you why i wanted them stricken from the record.

          it was all my doing.
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            Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

            Wed, March 22, 2006 - 3:13 PM
            people really do drink their urine. I know people who do. apparently your body makes a natural cure to your own ailments. of course most of you will think its gross. its easy for doctors to dose you up with all kinds of drugs when they want to make money. and why would they tell you to drink your urine when it would be to simple for you and they would lose their job. their is one person i know that says his urine cured his herpes. i can't be too sure about this but i don't doubt it. just think about what breast milk can do to nurture. one time i had a serious cold and i couldnt breath through my nose - i sampled some stuff that i squeezed out of my nipple and i could miraculously, instantly breath for like 10 seconds - too bad there was not more of it. im sure this link is not total bs. maybe dude thought burning man supporters might be a little more open minded than most~ cant knock something till you test it.
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            Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

            Wed, March 22, 2006 - 3:21 PM
            people really do drink their urine. I know people who do. apparently your body makes a natural cure to your own ailments. of course most of you will think its gross. its easy for doctors to dose you up with all kinds of drugs when they want to make money. and why would they tell you to drink your urine when it would be to simple for you and they would lose their job. their is one person i know that says his urine cured his herpes. i can't be too sure about this but i don't doubt it. just think about what breast milk can do to nurture. one time i had a serious cold and i couldnt breath through my nose - i sampled some stuff that i squeezed out of my nipple and i could miraculously, instantly breath for like 10 seconds - too bad there was not more of it. im sure this link is not total bs. maybe dude thought burning man supporters might be a little more open minded than most~
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    Re: urine drinking??? shivambu

    Wed, March 22, 2006 - 3:23 PM
    people really do drink their urine. I know people who do. apparently your body makes a natural cure to your own ailments. of course most of you will think its gross. its easy for doctors to dose you up with all kinds of drugs when they want to make money. and why would they tell you to drink your urine when it would be to simple for you and they would lose their job. their is one person i know that says his urine cured his herpes. i can't be too sure about this but i don't doubt it. just think about what breast milk can do to nurture. one time i had a serious cold and i couldnt breath through my nose - i sampled some stuff that i squeezed out of my nipple and i could miraculously, instantly breath for like 10 seconds - too bad there was not more of it. im sure this link is not total bs. maybe dude thought burning man supporters might be a little more open minded than most~ cant smak it till you test it