I haven't, but I just want to say how GOOOOOOOOOOD it feels to see all that green on the map!!!!!! We greened it like crazy!!!
>>I haven't, but I just want to say how GOOOOOOOOOOD it feels to see all that green on the map!!!!!! We greened it like crazy!!! <<
Why Neon, your eye's are sparkling like beautiful green emeralds as you say that :) LOL
SaintOn, heres a link to the map at SF Decomp: img225.imageshack.us/img225/...oop3.jpg
we are green!!
I'm glad to see that my camp and neighbors took the time to do that.
find it ironic dirty d is interested in moop.....
seems we need to volunteer to help the bigger camps that host 1,000's of us on the esplanade....
HOokahdome was my neighbor the last 2 years but I see this year, they upped their game musically and spaciously which attracted LOTS more people. They came out red.....it is a population thing to a large extent. I picked up glowsticks every morning out by our street. Tough to control....but wheres the line?
Just gotta consciously push for more moop pick up help in those problem areas.
I will take note to be more conscious of moop in those areas when I return to BMan...
Tho a lot of that moop left to view on the map is small particle stuff.....stuff you cant pick up when strolling around.
So thats a toughie.....
What does clean up crew go out there with sieves? (Sp?) Sifts?
PHEW that must be tough.
made a 1/4"- 2'x4' screen box to help get it all yet sweeping and then shoveling the playa into it isn't easy....
<<Why Neon, your eye's are sparkling like beautiful green emeralds as you say that :) LOL>>
That would be beautiful neon green emeralds!!!
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
Okay, yes, i'm in a bit of a good mood...we just had an awesome 1st annual decom in my town!
yay, we were green too! :)
there's a lot of red where the man was....what's up with that?
I wouldn't be surprised about that. After all the man is a focal point of the event. Most people go out and visit him during the week and he is the locus of one of, if not the, biggest crowds of the event. It's only surprising if it's been consistently green in previous years.
Samsa -
Not to far off... either pick it up, or shovel it off to be dealt with...
or if it's big enough, a whole crew will sit in the dirt, and pick it up.
yah, a bit ocd.
but, its what clean up is about.
www.burningman.com/environm...09fin.jpg
The official map, with slight changes from the whiteboard...
"there's a lot of red where the man was....what's up with that? "
It's always bummed me out that right after the burn there would be all this trash (water bottles mostly) around where the man was burned. I've always chalked it up to weekenders who didn't "invest" in the event.
I agree that we all need to be more conscious of moop, Samsa, but disagree with the notion that the particle stuff is hard to pick up. It fits more easily in the pocket, moop bucket or bag than do the large squares of carpet and random bits of rebar. I won't go into specifics here, but if a camp was red, it is because it looked to the restoration crew as if no effort had been put into cleaning it.
Thank you for picking up stuff off of the street during the event. Every bit helps. The back of the ticket says that you agree to spend two hours cleaning up in addition to what it takes you to clean your own camp.
Fawkes told ya that the restoration crew uses sieves, and this is true. For the big messes of little stuff in concentrated areas, the sieves are helpful. Most camps don't require the use of the Special Forces teams, however, and the Line Sweeps crew covers most of the city. They walk in lines, starting at one end of the block and moving as a group (more or less) to the other, picking up everything they see. Dunes get raked out, stakes (so many stakes!) get pulled up with vice grips, and oil spots get shoveled. Photographs are taken of the big messes, and GPS coordinates are noted to more accurately pinpoint which camps are responsible.
It would be so helpful, if the placed camps who got red or yellow were contacted with an explanation as to what the cause was for their designation. We have been on the playa for 10 years and know what it takes to leave no trace. We had people onsite until late Tuesday scrubbing it clean, raking dunes, using magnetic rakes, etc. etc. etc. and so on and so on -- but still got a red. So it baffles me, truly.
I just can't accept the fact that we got a red, and then get no explanation as to why. Tell us - so we can correct any thing that was an oversight for next year!! There must have been something the restoration crew did not like about our spot, but how can we correct it, if we do not know what it was.
> It would be so helpful, if the placed camps who got red or yellow were contacted with an explanation as to what the cause was for their designation.
different people do cleanups and can update but its usually done by people with dpw, and for the most part its an internal dpw playa restorationg group. you can try contacting dpw or the resto group (restoration@burningman.com) but good luck in getting a usable reply, i never did. in the past, when people discussed the problems of the map there was always the standard "fuck you" response from dpw'rs.
after a long fight against how its seen and used due to its problems - people were told the map's use wasnt intended to contact people, but as a general guage for repeat offender camps whenever they reapplied the next year (making it the bmorgs placement groups issue). so... if you have an off year it shouldnt matter as much, but definately keep placement in the loop so they know whats up.
The restoration crew is trying to make it easier for people to understand why they have received their ratings. It is a work in progress, to be sure. I am not sure whether or not the photos and notes are available to view publicly, Hedy, but accountability is the ultimate goal. I am sorry that I don't have more specific information.
The ratings are determined by a few factors, including how long it takes the line sweeps crew to get through the area; if there are any burn scars, holes or greywater spills; if special forces had to be called in to pick up lots of tiny fragments; and if any large objects were left behind. The system is not infallible, as dust storms hide things and uncover them, and the wind can move objects across the city. We had a couple of spots that we thought were clean that later revealed themselves to be quite messy.
Just keep trying, please. The playa is a beautiful place when it is empty and clean.
>>in the past, when people discussed the problems of the map there was always the standard "fuck you" response from dpw'rs.<<
Well that's a real shame, especially if we are all supposed to be working towards a common goal.
The more knowledge people have, the less shit there is for DPW to pick up.
Thank you for the restoration group info, though! I'll try and see if I can get any info from them.
The moop map is a relatively new thing, and it is evolving. Restoration this year was vastly different in organization from the earlier years that I had worked. In the past, we did not have extensive note-taking and so, while the information was not available a few years ago, it is my understanding that management is trying to make it more accessible. That being said, I don't think it is likely that there will be somebody who is kept on-staff after restoration for the purpose of contacting camps. Perhaps not every camp wants an explanation?
As far as the placement issue goes, it has worked out favorably. There were camps who left tremendous messes and then were taken off of the Esplanade, only to return the following year when their cleanup had been improved.
I am sorry that you feel you heard only 'the standard 'fuck you'" from DPW. That is unfortunate, and I hope that you won't lump this message into that category.
> I am sorry that you feel you heard only 'the standard 'fuck you'" from DPW. That is unfortunate, and I hope that you won't lump this message into that category.
absolutely not, your responses are incredibly appreciated and quite valueable. now that i know whats up, you probably wont hear me mention it again unless there happens to be a resurgence in that attitude. i greatly appreciate what seems to be a much better management response, because quite a few of us fought hard against those attitudes to correct what seemed to be something that could be helpful and useful. i hope it continues to evolve to that point.
"- but still got a red. So it baffles me, truly.
I just can't accept the fact that we got a red, and then get no explanation as to why"
Perhaps the moop map was off? Perhaps it was a neighbor?
But I agree. You can't fix an issue if you don't get feedback.
I really wish we knew the whys and wherefores. We got a yellow rating this year. We cleaned for days, on what was a relatively clean space to begin with. This is the first year my crew and I have had anything other than green, and we're pretty sad about it.
I wish the camps could check-out with their placers. I would give me some peace of mind. I always worry someone is going to dump carpet or a couch on our property after we leave. I wonder if that's what happened this year.
It turns out that you can have members of the earth guardians show you the extra touches that put you firmly in the green. Read the third post down.
eplaya.burningman.com/viewtopic.php
(I doubt that a dumped couch would get you into yellow--I think it would take you into red. FWIW.)
haven't you heard of moop confusion camp?
they show up after year, right around the time most people leave, search for moopy camps and then move said moop to cleaned up camp spaces.
thus, the moop map confusion.
happens every year...
Still looking for a higher rez version of the MOOP map, wanna zoom in on our Camp- ZanZibar.
Last year someone posted a zoom of near our block, anyone have access to do that?
Looking for between 7:30 and 8:00 & between C & D.
well if ya just wanna see your camp, you can go here and zoom in:
gigapan.org/gigapans/34311/
