The objective of this post is to warn tribe.net community of dangerous elements present in Los Angeles party scene. This true story will illustrate some schemes currently used to put unsuspecting party-goers in bondage with evil spirits and members of the psychic cult.
First, a little bit about my background. For many years I was fascinated by everything religious, spiritual, mystical and metaphysical, and was on a quest for the Truth. Since I begun to practice yoga and meditation about three and a half years ago I started experiencing notable psycho-spiritual and physiological changes that could not be classified as developmental or pathological. They fit profiles described in some texts as the ‘Kundalini Awakening,’ and also ‘Shamanic Illness.’
As I became more intuitive and grew in my ability to work the bioenergetic aspects of the human body the nature of my work as a physical therapist changed dramatically.
Seeking a better climate and a vibrant spiritual community, in February of 2006, I moved across the continent to Santa Monica. There, I immediately meet a very gifted and creative group of people I was first introduced to by M., a man who I meet a few months earlier on a training conference.
I was attracted to my new LA friends because of our common interest in spirituality, healing and creative arts. My new friends were showing me extraordinary things in a spontaneous and fun way. They invited me to partake in some amusing practices which at that time seemed harmless and even spiritually enlightening.
Much time was spent at the ‘burners’, events modeled after the Burning Man, a modern hippie festival that takes place once a year in the desert of Nevada -- a huge carnival where anything and everything goes: dancing to trance music, sex, drugs and masquerade at night, socializing, occult and New Age activities in the afternoon.
I was soon intoduced to a physician who gave me a prescription for medical marijuana. It helped my back pain and significantly deepened my spiritual practice, but came at a steep price. I was careful in my drug use that I do not become addicted, but I was ignorant in that the end result can be a spiritual bondage. Month later I’ve learned that such psychotropic substances can open people to demonic invasion.
The stage was set.
The psycho-spiritual transformation I was experiencing was getting progressively more intense. My intuitive abilities and skills as a healer flourished, memory and analytical skills also improved. My physical strength and endurance doubled. I was feeling oneness with the world, loving everything and everyone. It seemed most people were falling in love with me too. All seemed beautiful and well. Maybe that’s what enlightenment is supposed to be like, I thought. I pondered on how to go forward in a responsible way with new powers I seemed to be developing. I trusted I would be shown the way when the time comes.
Things started to drastically shift in early Spring of 2007. When M. went on a month-long trip to Southeast Asia, Robert Ward, tall skinny man in mid forties with curly blond hair suddenly appeared and was very eager to be my friend. I meet him for the first time a year earlier at a holistic health conference
It turned out that Robert and M. were friends with some of the same people. This synchronicity encouraged me to open up and confide in Robert right away. Robbie, as he often introduced himself, immediately wanted to hang out with me all the time. I appreciated his taking me to private parties where I was meeting interesting people. He, as some of my other new friends, asserted that we were brothers, after a very short time of meeting me.
Within a few weeks his behavior became progressively more strange. For example, with no good explanation, he requested to spend time alone in my car. He started asking me a lot of peculiar questions about my past, questions having mostly to do with my moral conduct. For instance, he wanted to know if I’ve ever forced a kiss on a girl. The answer was an honest “of course not”. Robert persisted: “maybe, just a little, ah?” He asked me things like if I ever laughed as a boy seeing another kid fall down. Robert also asked me provocative hypothetical questions, even such as if I would throw a banana peal on the ground – “it’s organic, it’ll decompose”-- or if I would urinate on the street plants. He argued that it would be good for plans since as a healer I’d be sharing good energy. I thought he was surely kidding. I now believe he was looking for a ground, a moral weakness, on the basis of which evil spirit could come into my life.
I began having puzzling experiences of feeling some energetic essences come in and out of my body. On two occasions, both in the presence of Robert, I actually saw several ghost-like creatures enter me from the mirror. It first happened at the Space Island, a dance club in Hollywood. Within a few days, a similar incident happened in the hall of a Santa Monica condo building allegedly owned by Robert’s family.
Robert was becoming more and more possessive and manipulative. A couple of days after the ghosts-in-the-mirror experience he told me he wanted a kind of friend that would jump out of the window if he asked him to. Around Easter, late evening, we had an argument when I told him I was tired and wanted to go home. Robert demanded that I should stay with him. I then insisted that Robert tell me about his real intentions with me, which I increasingly suspected were less than wholesome. His face became utterly malevolent and repulsively lustful. Robert looked like he wanted to devour me. Feeling energetically besieged, I got out of the car. Robert followed me. As I was walking away I felt a large energetic essence enter me from behind. It felt disgusting and extremely invasive. Robert was still following me. I walked away faster. When we were a good distance apart from each other, I ran back, got inside of the car and drove away. Robert tried to open my car’s door as I was already leaving the driveway.
Within a few days my car was stolen. Just a coincidence? You decide.
Concurrently, I was more frequently experiencing telepathy with other members of the group, likely a cult, to which I was introduced to. I soon began to hear voices even when I was home alone. Verbal communication from the spirits appeared in distinctly human voices, different in tonality, age and gender. At one time or another, depending on the spiritual practice I was involved in, voices lead me to believe they were spirit guides, my soul, thought adjusters, even god/goddess. They seemed benevolent and fun. The idea that I was dealing with evil did not even cross my mind.
I started observing some extraordinary ‘gifts’. During those days I could be a long distance away in an unfamiliar neighborhood and get back home easily without even paying attention to the directional signs on the road. Some invisible intelligence, as a ‘force’ in Star Wars, was directing my arms to make the right turns in smooth and confident way. It was very amusing. I called these trips a ‘driving meditation.’ I felt likewise ‘possessed’ when I danced. My body parts seemed to move on their own. I could have resisted but allowing this was a very pleasant sensation. My moves were in synchronicity with what other people were doing next to me. My healing practice, too, became much more ‘intuitive’. Little did I know at the time what, in a not-so-far-away future, will come of these ‘being in a flow’ practices.
I liked the company, and appreciated encouragement and assistance of my new spirit friends. I accepted them as agents of the tribe, which I thought might even be a divine organization. I discounted my experience with Robert as a test of my value system and character. I looked forward to my full acceptance by the group followed by disclosure of the mysteries surrounding events of the past few months, including the one involving the spirits and also the real reasons behind Robert’s odd behavior.
Communication with other people became multilayered. One level consisted of communication of the minds. On another level I was apparently talking with their spirit or spirits. Most ordinary people did not know this and were impressed by my ability to know what’s on their mind. I’ve meet some other people, members of the mysterious group, who had the ability to communicate with spirits too. This was one of the major ways we recognized each other. I was becoming increasingly more like them – in the flow, cool, smooth and spontaneous.
Eventually, voices became bossier. They maintained that my ‘brothers’ wanted me to follow their instructions. Considering this process divine I assumed it was good, and found a way to rationalize all that was happening.
When voices cheered me on to be a ‘bull’, I supposed I was encouraged to be more assertive and outgoing – a good thing, I figured, considering I was chronically shy. I played that role for a couple of weeks, mostly at the parties.
I avoided orgies, alcohol and other hedonistic aspects of these parties, and preferred dancing, music, and observing the theatrical drama. With encouragement by both, the voices and the initiated, I also observed myself exhibiting an increasingly boisterous personality, which was very much unlike my usual introspective and gentle self.
Months later, I read in the Judeo-Christian literature that even an indirect involvement in an occult, gives spirits a legal ground for oppression. It didn’t matter that I had absolutely no intention of serving Satan, in whom I did not even believe at that time.
It was at the ‘burners’, that I most often experienced a strange energetic exchange with other people, people I was led to by mysterious force. Most of these people seemed obviously aware of what was happening and many seemed to enjoy it. This was another way I could tell the initiated. I was puzzled by this and asked around but got no straight answer. My theory at that time was that this was a sort of Tantric exchange of information, spiritual gifts and healing energy.
I later learned what a mistake it was to participate, for those were spirits that were exchanged. These spirits, though, carried with them counterfeit gifts.
Voices encouraged me to stop talking to my old friends and family, and spend more time by myself, at home, smoking pot and meditating. Allegedly, I was groomed for my spiritual awakening and serving a higher purpose, and therefore I was not to waste time on what was unessential at the moment. The idea was that I would later re-enter the world as my more fully realized self.
In reality, of course, voices masterfully exploited my isolation. A combination of yoga practice and drug use dismantled my spiritual boundaries and made my body-mind system susceptible to spirit infiltration. Spirits and my so-called ‘brothers’ played me like a lonely figure on a chess board. I was grossly unprepared to face time-honed schemes of evil.
Voices called me a beautiful man, a genius, most powerful man in the world, etc. With an amazing regularity, like a clock, whenever I saw and admired an attractive object, such as a house or a car, voices announced to me that I’ll have it all. They promised me eternity, and told me I could be anybody I wanted. I was growing suspicious of their sincerity. Besides, those things were not really what I was after in life.
Increasingly, it appeared that everything had a consciousness, not only living creatures but also inanimate objects. One moment circumstances seemed to confirm pantheism, another, polytheism appeared evident. At times, it seemed I had a choice about my reality, at others it was imposed on me. I was receiving some very profound but often contradictory ideas about the nature of existence, God, and purpose of life. Voices cheerfully encouraged my ‘realizations.’ Those were perplexing days but I still trusted that it was part of a good process and that the ultimate truth will soon be revealed.
One day voices announced that I was god. I later understood a fuller significance of this. Considering oneself god is a huge heresy, a sin which demons can use to condemn their victim when the time is right. Also, months later, my research revealed that satanists regard themselves as gods. This act is at the very root of the ‘original sin.’
At that time I knew very little about all this. I rationalized what I heard from my ‘guides’ by remembering the adage that there’s a spark of God in everyone. Voices insisted that I was not a god, but the god. Conceptually I tried this idea for a size, and contemplated that perhaps as Buddhist teach, I am the consciousness which dreams up the existence into being. Ironically, the voices were responsible for my not getting any more invested in this idea, when they insisted that since I was god I should be an ‘asshole.’ This meant, for example, that I should rudely take whatever I wanted, not ask and not pay for it. Voices claimed that except for me, all creatures in this world were automatic mechanisms, marionettes with no free will, designed to react predictably to my thoughts and actions. Even if what they told me was true, I did not want to act badly towards anyone. When I refused to follow their ‘guidance’, one of the more deep-toned voices claimed that indeed he was the god. By then I’ve heard from the voices enough to know that they were not telling me the truth. I no longer believed them. Systematically, spirits endorsed competitiveness, pride, and cynicism. Their advice increasingly seemed ridiculous, and utterly opposed my moral beliefs. Fortunately, for the most part, I had enough insight to hold back.
By April, it got so bad I could not carry on with my work as a physical therapist and a healer. I was more frequently coming late and on a couple of occasions did not show to work at all. Just before leaving the house, I’d often get surges of energy, spontaneous movements of body parts, or a peculiar sweet-sulfur odor would appear. I was embarrassed to show in public like this. Before long, the owner of the clinic where I worked called me and told me that I was fired. I was in agreement that I could not continue working like this. I hopped that this ordeal is a temporary trial and would soon come to an end, at which point I would resume my work.
In early May things started developing with a lightening speed. Another ‘burner’ festival, LIB, was taking place right on my birthday weekend. I was turning 34. On the way to the festival I was informed that the person who was supposed to give me the ticket which was promised to me as a gift from my ‘brothers’ was not coming. When I got there, my ‘brothers’ acted as if they did not even know it was my birthday. This marked a beginning of one of the most disappointing days of my life.
Early in the evening mysterious force lead me to a drawing collage with a picture of a book that had ‘Life’ inscribed on it in Russian, my native language. Voices announced that they had my book of life. As party progressed, I became increasingly a center of attention. It was as if a cruel joke was played on me – instead of being celebrated, about a dozen people teased and made fun of me. I’ve been to the ‘burners’ before. This was a first time I was treated this way.
The morning after my birthday I left the festival grounds. I was upset to say the least. This was nothing comparing to the torture that was to come immediately after.
Already on the way from the festival voices ridiculed and berated me. From then on their pressure for me to convert to their ways increased ton-fold. They were particularly upset when I was nice to people. For example, when I said “thank you,” they teased me in irritating tone ‘we fenk you, we fenk you’, making fun of my accent. They mocked me by calling me a ‘teacher’ and a ‘shepherd’, and implied that my behavior is nauseating, when I attempted to encourage others to do good. They chanted ‘its bull shit, it’s all bull shit’ when I merely thought about anything loving or spirtual. Voices pleaded for me to “concede”.
One day I gave a homeless man who was panhandling on the street near my home some change. As soon as I drove away he yelled at me “gotcha”. Voices shamed me: “you lost him” as if I was in some kind of a competition. These wired occurrences became more frequent. When they happened, voices would often accentuate my predicament, saying “Everyone is f@#&ing with you.”
It was getting more bizarre by the day. Voices told me I must have a homosexual relationship; they specifically told me to go to one of my ‘brothers’ and give him oral sex. They said everybody was a “faggot” (not my word) and that I am too straight. Needless to say, I did not comply. I am not judging homosexual, I just personally have no interest in going that way. Voices blamed me for being “too good”, “too righteous.”
Among absurd ideas they tried to get me to believe in was that I was already dead. One version of it was that I died in an accident some months ago and was now in my afterlife. They tried to get me confused in various other ways, with increasing intensity and vigor.
My priority in dealing with people has always been the good Hippocratic dictum – to help, or at least to do no harm. Since I did not like the way voices wanted me to relate to people and did not want to suffer the punishment for opposing them, I withdrew even more.
As I saw my professional and personal life crumble, I increasingly realized, no matter whose agents they were, clearly the source of the voices were not my friends. There was now an unmistakable anger and hatred in their tone. My idea of spirit guides has always been that they are gentle and loving beings. Clearly these spirits were of a different kind.
I asked, whatever these things are, to leave me. This only infuriated the spirits. They retaliated with an awful shower of dreadful insults.
I tried to get some answers from people who apparently initiated me into this, whatever it was. Most of them denied any knowledge. Some mocked me covertly, in synchronicity with what the voices were doing. A few seemed to sympathize with me, but offered little real help. One man hinted to me that these things were not my friends, which confirmed my own growing conviction. Another foretold that they would push my buttons. One young woman blabbered that I was too big, whatever that means, and so they had to ‘fix it.’ She did not explain.
Some of the initiated seemed to channel bizarre supposedly prophetic information about me. Much of it was ominous.
Voices explained that everyone was lying to me, that these people are bull-shitters, and that since I didn’t like their games, nobody wanted me, and that I should now “get the f@(k out.”
At that time when I went outside, there was often somebody stocking or otherwise playing with my mind. When I was in my first-floor apartment in Santa Monica, I heard people congregating by my window laughing and making fun of me.
I tried to find a reason for what was happening to me in a positive light. I reflected on the story of Job, and the Temptations of Saint Anthony. I've considered that this could be super-accelerated karmic cleansing, a temporary purgatory, or a divinely inspired test.
Birthday weekend was the last time I smoked pot. This action did not alter the voices in any way. It was apparently too late, by then they’ve already infested me.
Spirits claimed that I’m their “shell” and forbade all personal initiative. A few times they called me their “taxi”. As far as they were concerned, any action, even thought, was a transgression, punishable by a deluge of threats and insults. Sometimes, when I so much as hinted that I was suffering, they said: “Happy Birthday!” I guess they thought it was funny.
One time, in hopes of being left alone, I teft town and went camping in the mountains. Spirits’ assault at night was horrendous. Mixed in with insults, they kept telling me how stupid I was for coming there and that I didn’t like nature. This is highly ironic because I love nature. I tried to argue with them, reminding that I’ve enjoyed this activity before, and would have enjoyed it now if it wasn’t for them. To this they emphatically exclaimed: “EXACTLY.”
In a desperate effort to break out I went scuba diving. My tormentors were still making fun of me at seventy feet under the surface of Pacific Ocean.
I thought that for whatever reasons I was forced out from town by the cult. In early July I moved out. Persecution from people stopped, but the voices continued.
Eventually, for the most part, spirits gave up on a plot to convince me that the whole world wants me out. My entourage from hell continued their attacks on me in other ways, however. As I’ve become more familiar with their games, their strategies of torturing me became less fantastic, yet still very cruel.
Sometimes spirits’ speech is perfectly fluent; sometimes they tormented me by stretching out their sentences with long echoes of each syllable. Although the voices seem to have unique personalities, they don’t reveal any information that can be used to trace their human identity. In fact, they seem to judge humanity as outsiders. This becomes apparent in the manner of their occasional critical observations such as “you people are so weak.” They accept most identities when I contemplate their nature, the more dramatic the better, and had suggested some of their own. They most often identify themselves collectively as bull-shitters, and sometimes in singular: the island. Some of the other most peculiar names they’ve came up for themselves: prohibiters, not-wanters, border patrol, prosecutors. They liked it when I thought of them as aliens, a brain microchip or a mechanism in my ears. Though a couple of times they suggested that they are a devil, most of the time they insist that they are not demons, which makes me wonder if that is exactly what they are. On a few occasions they’ve told me they are a familiar spirits. The most frequent voice claimed to be my bride. Interestingly enough, every time I thought about sharing my story with others, they’ve tried to convince me that I’m imagining them.
On a daily basis these creatures behave as the worst kind of hooligans who tease and torment for the fun of it. They suggest lewd acts, draw attention to things sexual or filthy, and then scold me for considering them. By commenting on my deeds and thoughts they rob me of all privacy and create an environment in which I feel constantly judged.
When I’m in bed at night, trying to fall asleep, I am often kept up for hours with the threats and scolding, as well as hissing and growling sounds. Spirits talk to me almost all the time, even when I’m sleeping. When I wake up from a dream they comment on it. Sometimes I catch them brainwashing me with evil propaganda. One time I woke up to the voices rhyming a poem, ending it, as soon as I was alert, with the words “all creation in black mass”.
They keep telling me that I “don’t need anything anymore” and also that I should “die already.” They call me all kinds of insulting or absurd names, such as donkey, bitch, stupid, clown and hole puncher.
Here are some of the reasons they gave for tormenting me: “We like it like that”, “It’s delicious”, “We are joking”, “We seriously dislike you”, “We hate you”, “You deserve it”, and “This is your book (of life).”
Until recently, I never gave much thought about evil spirits or devil. I thought Satan and demons are mythical archetypal characters. I also thought they are ideas people used to scare and manipulate masses with. Even if they were real, I used to think, unclean spirits were not likely to seek a relationship with a good man. Clearly, I was naïve and ignorant to think this. In fact, adherents of satanism believe that the more pure the sacrifice, the more power they gain from their lord of darkness. Also, one priest told me that in fact, devil’s clever deception is to convince humans that he does not exist.
There was a lot I did not understand about what was happening to me since I got into spiritual practice. What I was doing seemed to make me a more capable and happier person. My intentions were to do good, to seek the knowledge of God’s will and the truth, and to share it with others. Spirits came in with a promise of holy guidance, and a direct, personal revelation. They were masters of seduction. They were all I wanted them to be… until they got a strong hold of me. When the courtship ended they proceeded to batter my mind with fear and delusion.
I believe I was set up to be possessed by demons by a group of people who serve evil. Clearly, they are in a symbiotic relationship with demonic spirits. It’s likely they first wanted to initiate me into their community. When I did not respond in the way they wanted, they turned on me and tried to destroy me. I suspect many of these people don’t fully realize what they do. May God have mercy on their soul.
Sometimes demons tell me that the game is over, or that they’ve done their cleaning job, even that they’ve made a mistake and that they’re going away; but then a moment later they deny their previous statement, proceed with their assault and tell me that this will never end, that it’s all over for me, and that it’s too late to do anything about it.
I have tried all kinds of things to resolve this problem: energy, psychic, kabalistic, yogic and shamanic healing, positive visualizations and meditation, prayer and exorcism, hypnosis, crystals, herbs, other supplements, and Tibetan medicine are a few examples. I’ve recruited the best healers I could find; nothing helped. I also consulted with several reputed psychologists and psychiatrists. Neither consultations nor medication did anything for the voices. Not that they could, I am convinced that neither neurosis nor chemical disbalance is an issue.
Demonic spirits mock me: “Where’s your God?” Ironically, they’ve made a stronger believer out of me. I was borderline agnostic before the summer of ’07. Evil spirits, contrary to their objective, I’m sure, gave me an evidence of incarnate life. However statistically improbable it is that the physical world is merely a result of a series of incredible accidents, a realm of entirely spiritual creatures surely must have had a Creator, who has to be the true Lord, most high and only God.
I find that Christianity has the soundest explanation for my experience. The nature of my experience was first explained to me by articles I found on the Internet. Then it was confirmed by the Bible, and further enlightened by publications on spiritual warfare and deliverance. I was shocked to learn how prevalent the phenomenon of demonic possession and activity of satanic cults are in our society.
When I pick up Christian literature, or when I go to a Church, spirits try to discourage me, suggesting that I’m a coward for seeking assistance from God. They cry “shut up, just shut up” when I think about exposing their schemes.
I realize that what I describe will stretch most people’s credulity. However, this is an honest account of what has happened to me in the last few months. Unfortunately I cannot recommend a remedy for those already oppressed. I did not find a cure that works for me. I hope that my story will prevent future casualties by giving tribe.net community red flags to watch out for. Maybe it will also inspire some of my former ‘brothers’ to rethink their ways.
I know this post not win me a popularity contest… who wants to hear the uncomfortable truth. It will certainly not make my pain disappear. I feel strongly that telling this story is my cross. It maybe the most important thing I’ll do for humanity in this life. I pray that it will have the most positive effect on those it touches.
May God deliver us all from evil, lead us to all truth, and bless all His children everywhere with good health and peace.
you need psychiatric help.
As I'v stated in my letter, I've been seeing a psychiatrist, several actually. About a dozen medications later I am no better. I am now even more convinced that the nature of this phenomena is spiritual and psychic, not psychological or neurological. What I described to you actually happened. I know that not everyone will believe. But I hope that everyone who read my story will at least have an idea about what's possible, and if they ever find themselves in a situation similar to mine they'll recognize it in time to be able to move away from the danger before the danger gets them.
I know this post not win me a popularity contest… who wants to hear the uncomfortable truth. It will certainly not make my pain disappear. I feel strongly that telling this story is my cross. It maybe the most important thing I’ll do for humanity in this life.<<
if that is what you really think, i would suggest to talk to your god some more because there are about a million more important things you can do for mankind then show up here and post.
i call shenanigans on you!
What do you have against evil anyways ? Without EVIL " good " wouldn't have a job and things
sure would get boring around here now wouldn't they ?
EVIL is just what LIVE sees when it looks in the mirror.
I knew after reading this post you were gonna get some negative feedback...
I have a suggestion that may help you. There is a famous doctor named Victor Geberin that practices in San Diego. He is the foremost expert on Rolfing, but many people claim he has other abilities, consistent with some of the acts seen in 'The Green Mile'. He is someone that you can google and look up on YouTube, and he helps many different types of people with many different types of problems. I am friends with his wife, and even though I've just started reading some literature ('Breaking Open the Head' for starters...) regarding the abilities of Shamanism (which can be used to heal or to harm), I'm no expert and you will need to call him to discuss your situation.
Hopes this helps. If so, please message me about you experience...
Lastly, I think your post had dual reasons. Yes, you posted to possibly warn others of your experience and maybe warm them by looking out for signs. But I also think your post was to be able to tell someone, share what you've experienced, without physically being ridiculed or beat up. Yes, you will get some internet lashing, but hopefully you feel a little better. I can tell you that warnings like yours kept me from trying some of the uber-addictive substances during my college/experimental stages in life, like Heroin, PCP (not addictive, but still scary) or crack. If you never heard of the addictive nature or impossiblly-unescapable situations BEFORE trying something, it becomes a mute point later when you are knee-deep in shit and no one else can help you find your way out...
< The nature of my experience was first explained to me by articles I found on the Internet.>
Could we get a link to these articles?
Also, you might try being upfront about who you are since you want this taken seriously.
I would be glad to help, even if intent is however possibly insincere. Why would you fear to
reveal who you are? I don't, and many others don't. Try integrating some humor into your
>May God deliver us all from evil, lead us to all truth, and bless all His children everywhere with good health and peace.
Shut up you fucking hippie.
I guess we know who has been taking all those mind altering substances you people have been yammering about
religion is all the evil we need.
and people wonder why i think nearly everyone is stupid.
"I knew after reading this post you were gonna get some negative feedback...
I have a suggestion that may help you. There is a famous doctor named Victor Geberin that practices in San Diego. He is the foremost expert on Rolfing, but many people claim he has other abilities, consistent with some of the acts seen in 'The Green Mile'. He is someone that you can google and look up on YouTube, and he helps many different types of people with many different types of problems. I am friends with his wife, and even though I've just started reading some literature ('Breaking Open the Head' for starters...) regarding the abilities of Shamanism (which can be used to heal or to harm), I'm no expert and you will need to call him to discuss your situation. "
and could you both be any more like fucking sock puppets.
i mean look at this quote.
"I have tried all kinds of things to resolve this problem: energy, psychic, kabalistic, yogic and shamanic healing, positive visualizations and meditation, prayer and exorcism, hypnosis, crystals, herbs, other supplements, and Tibetan medicine are a few examples."
i mean i'm not saying psychiatry will help you, you may be to fucking crazy to help.
but none of these things will help you that's for damn sure. in fact i'd say they were closer to symptoms than solutions.
For years my desire was to heal this world one person at a time, and that is what I was doing effectively. Because of what has happened to me I am now incapable of rendering the services which I very much loved. This war between the forces of good and evil was forced on me, this is not what I wanted but it is what I got. So I am doing the best I can do for humanity now under the new cercumstances
there are predators looking to posssess control over unsuspecting victims in deceetful ways. I can be the one to bring awareness of this happening in our back yard so that those who don't really belong here realize it and leave in peace before they get hurt.
Are you a writer? I ask because it reads like a story, perhaps you are trying to see how engaging it is?
Marijuana is not classified as an addictive drug, I don't see how its use set the stage....
Let me repeat a saying: even the smallest of light shines bright in the dark.
Do you believe that? I do.
Focus on the light, and watch the dark disappear.
Let your "angel" battle your demons, you simply have to choose a side.
a primer on demons can be read here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon
here's another insightful one: www.christian-thinktank.com/ghos....html
just google and you'll see many other sources that talk about demonology and evil spirits.
My name is immaterial. It will not add nor subtract from the message.. What it can do is attract a wave of retaliation from those upset about my spoiling their secret ploys. Obviosly I've been already harshly punished just for refusing to convert, retaliation for exposing their schemes might be even more severe. And for what?
BTW, I am not saying to anybody don't go to these parties or don't do drugs, I am suggesting to watch out for the signs of possible attempts to possessing you. I allowed the romance with the evil spirits for too long, not knowing what they trully were, hopefully you won't repeat my mistakes and reverse the course before it's too late, or proceed ahead realizing fully what you are getting into -- a lot of fun and pleasure-filled experiences as well as financially and sexually rewarding relationship with the forces of evil. is it worth it? you deside. will you be willing to obey them in everything? are you willing to trade your personal value system for the collective's self interests? do you see yourself getting old and sick, no longer able to distruct your mind with parties and sex, and having to look back to what you done with your life and beig able to look at yourself in the mirror, and be prepared to face your maker when you die. those are personal questions you have to answer for yourself. I hope that my story will help you beter see the waters you are stepping into, know where they lead, and have a choice about you next move. I wish you a good journey!
....standing up for your friends, huh? Watch out that they won't have you for breakfast one day.
It was not addictive to me; that's not the danger. Marijuana has an efffect of opening one's energy body, aura, chakras, and thus exposing it for infestation by spirits. It can also help open up the channels required to hear the spirits. If you think that's cool, you know what you can do more of to mingle with spirits. If you believe mediumship is dangerous, my story is case in point, I suggest you stay way from pot and psychotropic drugs. Or at least be moderate about their intake and watchful of what you do with time you're high on them.
Thank you for the positive saying.
However, when one is in a war, looking at the sun or even the images of saints will not win the batle, in a strugle it is the oponent that needs to be engaged. There's time for prayer and meditation, there's also a time to drow out the weapons, and yet, choose a side. I can do no physical harm to these spirits, but I can help people by speaking my truth -- the light that I hope will shine through the darkness and hopefully brings out love and peace for all of us, all who wants it, anyway.
snap out of it. this faithfull is a troll.
don't feed the trolls.
trolltrolltroll any1 diffrint issa trolll. may be if is the oppozit of B ORE. who r u 2 say dis aint true? U god his good self or whut? insted a barkin D ONT FEED TH E T ROLLS likea wind up doll May be U shoulld do somethin constructiv wit yo time like dis da lackk a edjucasion in dis country or da lack a imajinatio n or da BAAAAAAAaaaa sheep mentality a all u on here.
o lordy is it august yet?
bless you my children
i can't read your post... because your spelling is hippieriffic annoying. if you need assistance writing in english, and you use firefox, try uploading the u.s. english dictionary at addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fi...se/type:3
I don't know that drugs have anything to do with demons. I would suggest something else at work here.
I see drugs as a disconnect, allowing the conscious and unconscious of the mind to have no seperation.
the "darker side", all the temptations that one might normally keep at bay with consciousness are suddenly let loose...
inhibition is non-existent. Thus, one might think they hear a voice telling them to give in to darker desires, but it is really the
subconscious acting out. The guilt we feel from our conscious might interpret such things as demonic as a coping mechanism.
We are human, not robots, we have freewill--devinely given in my opinion. We make our own choices. If demons (existent or not)
could so easily take over a human being, there would be no point in having freewill. Perhaps a human being could falsely be lead
into believing they must give up their freewill or that it can be taken away, but that is perhaps a demon's only real power--to wear down your belief in your own freewill.
True evil is an absence of humanity, and that is what we should be vigilent of.
i a graduit a Philly publik schoool missy cracker an if u take a minit insted a huffin an puffin u 2 can figgyur thing s out. iff not dont do it but da HI AN MIGH-T shizz make me wanna hurl. if it too much 4 yall git off da computir git yo ass 2 the street an tell da goverment .
anywayx i doin nails here but my coworkur Crystall she rewrite dis jus fo U 1 time.
TROLL, TROLL, TROLL. ANYONE DIFFERENT IS A "TROLL". MAYBE - IF IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF "BORE". WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THIS (POST) ISN'T TRUE? ARE YOU GOD OR WHAT? INSTEAD OF BARKING "DON'T FEED THE TROLLS" LIKE A WIND-UP DOLL, MAYBE YOU SHOULD DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE WITH YOUR TIME, LIKE WORK ON SOLVING THE LACK OF EDUCATION IN THIS COUNTRY OR THE LACK OF IMAGINATION AND SOCIETY'S ATTACK ON ANYONE WITH ORIGINAL (THEREFORE THREATENING) THOUGHTS, OR THE SHEEP LIKE MENTALITY OF MOST OF YOU ON HERE WHO CONSIDER YOURSELVES 'NONCONFORMISTS' BUT FRANTICALLY CONFORM TO EACH OTHER.
u kin read dat mmissy? fancy nuff 4 u ?
Makes perfect sense to me...I get the message loud an clear
it still just sounds like 'blah blah blah'... maybe it's not the spelling, but the content.
There are no demons. There is only you. Whatever you believe is what is. Listen to the Yoga Sutras every day for at least a month. This is cosmic medicine for anything, especially for what you describe. There is an all powerful loving source living within you that is available all the time to help you. Just ask for it passionately and continually with tears in your eyes and in your heart. You will be fine.
O Evilll - C da message a da smart lady above U - liturally an metaforically.
A course it sound like BLAHBLAH 2 U! U a CONFORMIS T who bark DON FEED DA TROLLS like a wind up doll ! an U clearly thinnk dat way 2. don worry your pencil pushin re d tape boxy lil head bout it no furthur. if u stay in yo pen nothin will rile u up.
we have freewill--devinely given in my opinion.
It;s not devinely given.
Your father shot cum into your mother.
Or maybe he was jakkin of and she was standing entirley to close.
Or maybe he had a wet dream on a bus and she was sat on it at the last mommnet.
That's how you got freewill.
That and the hundreds of thousand of soilders and patriots that have died to protect your freedoms.
there is no free will because everything is just one thing, God or whatever. Everything belongs to that source, to think otherwise is to err in thinking.
what did you say?
there is no free will because everything is just one thing, God or whatever. Everything belongs to that source, to think otherwise is to err in thinking.
This is simply Christian propaganda. You have not convinced me of anything "Faithful servant of one true god". Yes I do believe there is evil demonic entities out there. No I don't believe that you had ALL of these experiences. Maybe you did have some of these experiences. But I really do think that a lot of this is in your head. This is also a classic Christian fear mongering technique. Just my opinion though, who knows maybe you are telling the truth... I just doubt it.
tisk, tisk, someone is angry again....
do we need to give you the love someone else didn't?
I say we all say a prayer for fko. This poor soul needs our prayers...
So if you decide to eat vanilla ice cream instead of chocolate, then it was not your own choice?
I find this unlikely.
>So if you decide to eat vanilla ice cream instead of chocolate, then it was not your own choice?
>I find this unlikely. <
I find it a hell of lot more unlikely that some old wizard in a cloud chose your ice cream preference for you.
it's about ownership dudes... ownership.....do you choose when to be born..or barring suicide, choose when to die?
Yes this poor soul need s your prayers and best wishes.
I am a dammend individual.
Get away from me while you can.
I have for so long been denied love from my friends and family.
My mother didn't hold me enough.
My father didn't approve of me enough.
I have nothing but despair within.I
I...excuse me.... I have to re-fill the bubble machine for my kids, I'll be right back.
exactly...so you agree with me...we have free will.
so when your kid asks you how he came about, will you explain it to him like you explained it to me, LOL.
Ya gotta tape it, and put it on youtube, K.
Yes, we agree about the free will. The disagreement (read the post) was that it was DIVINELY granted.
if you wanna keep believing that , that's perfectly fine. It doesn't change the question of ultimate ownership.
>so when your kid asks you how he came about, will you explain it to him like you explained it to me<
Not everyone lies to their kids about their origins. Or makes up myths to explain what they can't understand.
Dreamcatcher was told a Stork craped him out.
Hey guess what I found.
an explanation to Dreacatcher lack of wit.
The Inability to Remember Dreams and Jokes
Martin Grotjahn, M.D.
Frequently people clearly remember that they dream, yet find themselves frustrated by their inability to recover images of the dream on waking. Witticisms are similarly forgotten, and many people are incapable of telling jokes, however much they may have enjoyed them when they heard them. Freud described and analyzed many similarities between dreams and witticisms, but does not mention the ease with which both are repressed and forgotten.
This disturbance is not a failure of retention in memory. The difficulty lies in the inaccessibility of jokes to recall.
The awareness of the loss, the conscious inability to correct it, the feeling of frustration, and the relief when the connecting link is discovered, all show that a repressive force is at work. In hearing a joke, unconscious impulses in the listener are activated, but the censorship requires repression. The momentary release from repression is intelligence.
Hence a person who has difficulty remembering dreams and telling jokes, need only exercise their un-willingness to repress their own intelligence.
Yeah, I suppose if I wasn't smart enough to come up with
my own ideas, I'd copy whole paragraphs too and use
it to convalude the situation. Then nobody would realize
I wasn't half as smart as I thought I was...
Actually, I thought it was the opposite...
Fear, but fear giving power to something demonic, something to be feared for which
there is no greater power to defeat it. I simply beg to differ, fear not evil, but challenge it.
I tried Don Genaro's dream stopping technique from Carlos Castaneda's first book. You know. The fucking thing works! You can actually stop your dreams if you want. Then you can exercise your intelligence analyzing them. Maybe
<I suppose if I wasn't smart enough to come up with
my own ideas,>
OH I see, this is a contest of individual intelligence.
I have listed below some of the projects I have created in the last seven years.
Some of which are still in varying degrees of activity.
Playabook 1, 2 and 3
Dinosaur Soap Box
Mysdom Giant Glow Puppet Theatre
Blacklight Maze and Wooze
Kinky Art School
Words largest Erotic Mural
Cooperate Advertisement Re-assignment Project
Democratic Art Movement
Billboard liberation Front
Sesame Street Portable Disco
Toon Town Disco
Five Minute Art School
One Hour Epic Movie
West Coast Temporary Art Alliance
Backpackers Art and Music Festival
Jack in the Juke Box
Spontaneous Sock Puppet Theatre
24 hour art
Election Campaign Sign Art Recycle
Urban Sound Contact Dance
Fashion Boutique Hostile Takeover
Police Car Beautification Project
Giant Kung Fu Hamster
Assholes on Ice
Improv Junk Symphony
Fire Puppet Boxing
Giant Ant Audio Experiment
March of the Dessert Penguins
Lets see your cards and we'll let the audience decide.
'fear not evil, but challenge it' -- well said.
That's what the Bible encourage people to do. This one is particularly fitting:
"Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them" (Eph 5:11)
Christian Propaganda? whatever... if it's the truth, what does it matter that it comes from world's number one religion.
You don't have to be a Christian to learn something useful from the scriptures.
[>So if you decide to eat vanilla ice cream instead of chocolate, then it was not your own choice?
>I find this unlikely. <
I find it a hell of lot more unlikely that some old wizard in a cloud chose your ice cream preference for you. ]
Well the op was tltr. But your answer is priceless. Any other highlights I should be aware of, or can I just ignore this thread from now on?
i say nothin 2 U , miss evilll Parris hilton. go read Redbook or somethin.
2 D othurs I say whin burners B snotty cauz a spellin... whut ""default world" they b better than?
People that go to LA looking for enlightenment are not my first choice (or 10,000th choice) to whom I would turn for spritual advice. I've been to lots of Burning Man inspired parties, but I've never heard one refered to as a 'burner', is this an LA thing? Burner usually refers to someone who goes to Burning Man. No one that has been to Burning Man and would put on Burning Man inspired parties would call Burning Man a 'modern Hippy Festival'.
So FSOTG, I call bullshit on the whole thing, sorry.
>Any other highlights I should be aware of, or can I just ignore this thread from now on? <
Yeah I really enjoyed FKO's Creation Story. WTF does 'tltr' mean? I missed the memo again!
what was that?
>Any other highlights I should be aware of, or can I just ignore this thread from now on?<
Crypto I would say stay tuned, he's on a roll, singing "comin down on sunny d"...
<WTF does 'tltr' mean? I missed the memo again! >
Too long to read. Next time I'll write a pithier memo.
Kindly explain what you meant by this:
" I can be the one to bring awareness of this happening in our back yard
so that those who don't really belong here realize it and leave in peace before they get hurt."
You have all the markings of a troll.
I cant decide whether you haven't done enough drugs, or that you've done too many....
I disagree with you, Cowboy.
Free Will is Free Will.
It's a thing that takes a while to describe, metaphyisically.
God doesn't want to 'own' us, other shit does.
<if you wanna keep believing that , that's perfectly fine. It doesn't change the question of ultimate ownership.>
Heavily mistaken idea of the One. No ownership. Get that straight, or I might have to disown you.
whut wuz DAT? i smelll a stupid bitch fartin.
whut wuz dat? whut wuz dat? i don hear U. O aint this clever. U clever cracker ho - say whut wuz dat an u look stupidur thin ever. whut wuz dat? i don hear u 2 clevur 4 me O i bow 2 yo superriur white brain so quick an ass-ended go meditate or better wash yo snatch cauz u aint gonna git no man wit dat brain fo shizzle .
FIDO, here's a definition of hippie from Answers.com:
A person who opposes and rejects many of the conventional standards and customs of society, especially one who advocates extreme liberalism in sociopolitical attitudes and lifestyles.
Nevertheless, describing a Burning Man festival is not the point of my story. I stated my objectives upfront. But if you want to discount my story on the basis of semantics, I am not going to try to stop you. Just as I won't oppose anyone who will discount it because I mention Christianity. Some people will discredit it for thinking I am a schizophrenic, or for whatever other reason. There's nothing I can do about that. I did what I felt I had a responsibility to do in order to remain true to my values -- I spoke truthfully about what has happened to me, and I presented an explanation of what happened which makes the most sence to me given the cercumstances. I hate it that I'm beeing judged and called names here for trying to help, but it'll be all worth it to me even if one person is saved.
I love vampire zombie demons!
I thought about this too.
I think I did too much to remain on straight and nerrow; and not enough to merge my consciousness more fully with the collective.
<missy cracker >
not cool at all.
I am sick of the language of the post. This post shows hate. And not tolerance and listening. That is the message of our community.
:Tolerance implies a gratuitous assumption of the inferiority of other faiths to one's own”
i can't understand you...
what are you talking about?
tolerence ISS NOT da message a dis "communnity ". bullshit is (lookit dis word yall:) PANDEMMIC.
an dis aint no communnity.
a community iss where peepil know each othurs REAL NAMES an do things wit h dey homies when dey NOT PARTYIN an allso do things fo othur peepil not jus get in touch with they narsissistic mememe crap like chakkras an personil ass-end-shin. howzabout doin some thing fo othurs on a consistent base-iss that dont give nothin to you/? i see one shot wondurs an "gifting crap in da hell hole but da whole world is goin to shit an you worryin bout whethur u gonna git bustid fo coke in da hell hole. shit.
I'm TRYING to decide! Which one is the intelligent one?
My vote is for "Giant Kung Fu Hamster"
How about this? This is thread is now declared a dead horse. I talked to the guy personnally and after I read his post, it is now a dead horse.
Lets bury this. A guy had a bad trip with the LA burners and he turned Xtian. So what. He does more good for society as an Xtian than abusing drugs and living an unproductive lifestyle.
That means the guy got rid of his drug problem and now actually makes a contribution to society. Yeah, the guy is pretty narrow-minded but att least he is not shooting heroin, smoking crack, or not being filmed for an episode of COPS.
So let's cut this guy a break, call him narrow-minded, but at least give him kudos for making progress and finding spiritual peace in his life.. At least this guy will not be Paul Addiss. And tha is a good thing.
"here's a definition of hippie from Answers.com:
A person who opposes and rejects many of the conventional standards and customs of society, especially one who advocates extreme liberalism in sociopolitical attitudes and lifestyles. "
When you use a term/word you cant assume that every is going to look it up on your favorite reference website. You should assume that everyone is going to take it as what most people think of it as... such as "hippie" a dirty smelly freeloader with long hair that listens to the great full dead etc. Now thats not the way I think of hippies but a lot of people do. Don't make assumptions.
What's a kinky art school?--my interest is beyond piqued.
Yeah, it seems like this thread has reached it's maximum depth (figuratively speaking of course) I think there are a lot of us heathens who need to "get right with god'. For Christ's (oops) sake, I mean just the other day I was beginning to think that we are all connected on some crazy Universal grid that emanates from the center of nothing and everything at the same time; then I started to think that time was a human construct and that we are responsible for our own actions. Thank G-d that this is not the case. I was really beginning to sweat.
Crisco, what happened to the tollerance? ...declaring for everyone that thread is a dead horse.
What's up with the lies?
When did you ever talk to me personallly?
If you don't appreciate my post, fine, don't read or consider it, but why spread lies?
How do you figure that I do more good for society now, and that I've lived an unproductive lifestyle? Prior to the demonic affliction I was a healer, with training in traditional medicine (I'm a physical therapist) and holistic, I worked and effectively healed people with problems ranging from depression to brain cancer. I've also done hundreds of hours of pro-bono work with disabled children. I was given a Presidential Award for Volunterism and Community Service. I'm not a Mother Teresa, but I worked for free in the Mother Teresa orphanage in Lima, Peru, paying all the expence of the trip. I did the soop kitchens, and planted trees. By making this post I am making my self most useful for society under the cercumstances, but I'm hardly better off for myself or others.
Because of what happened I can no longer do the work that I loved and invested so much time and money to do well. I cannot even enjoy being nice to people, much less help, because of the constant punishment I get in responce to my doing good.
How do you figure I had a drug problem? I had a medical prescription for marijuana which was helping me with back pain. It deepened my meditation and yoga practice. It made parties more fun, true; but I did not have a problem. Quiting was easy. And I never in my life even once tried heroin or crack.
How am I nerrow-minded? Because I mentioned that Christianity seems to describe my predicament most precisely? You don't have to agree. I don't tell you what faith to have. Isn't it rather narrow-minded to critisize me for accepting the lessons and moral values of a great teacher who walked this planet two thousand years ago and sacrificed himself for human race?
go away please.
So I read through the whole thing, but didn't make it through all the replies.
I am no professional here, but there are a few things I noticed. ASsuming this isn't some art project or social experiment you are exploring.
I have no doubt that you believe all of this to be true. But my belief is that your belief that all of this is true, is what is holding you back from the much more plausible explanation. Everything you describe is your perception of how things went. Even with your spin on the events, I could totally see the other side, and see that you may have just misinterpreted peoples actions, the intent of their words, and the circumstantial evidence that isn't all that flawless, because of your background of spiritual beliefs.
After all of that, it seems to me that your personal set of morals and values (read "what you shouldn't do, because it's filthy!") along with your spiritual journey, change of living, new friends, and your delving into your spiritual self, has led to a psychological break. Out of the need to survive, your brain has created these voices to express your hedonistic side that you seem pretty intent on not expressing. Instead of taking a healthy balanced approach, your strict adherence to what you assume is your moral code seems to have forced this split on you.
I wouldn't doubt that the ridicule and jokes at your expense were just misinterpretations of those that could see this psychological problem in you, and instead of being supportive and helpful, they protected themselves in the only way they knew. If you were starting to spurt forward stuff about a christian god, I wouldn't doubt that they would make fun of you or shut you out.
I hate to say it, but you are falling into the trap that the Christians have been playing on the weak minded for 2000 years. Any knowledge of psychological problems was completely foreign to anyone before the mid 1800's. Before that, the only way to explain any of this was to invent spirits and demons. To keep control of it's sheep, the christian church held onto these fallacies and keeps them alive. If you would ever put an ounce of energy into researching the christian church you will see there is nothing holy about it, there is no god there. If ever there was a god, that god has been mistranslated, pasteurized, misogenized, reduced, reconstituted, and formed into little chocolate crosses that give those that don't know any better something to believe in that makes their lives make sense. Whatever it took to control a population was the guidelines for that religion.
Drop the christianity and gain some self-confidence. I get so tired of hearing people blame their problems on the spiritual explanation instead of seeing what is obvious, that humankind is capable of a lot more than we give it credit. Just because something goes well, it isn't because of the gods, or god, or luck. We don't give ourselves enough credit. We also don't take enough responsibility for our actions. We become assholes and we blame it on evil demons. NO, it's you!! You are allowing yourself to be an asshole.
Once we take responsibility for ourselves and our actions, our lives, independent of "the gods", we can go on.
But you aren't following a religion that is meant to follow jesus. Modern christianity has nothing o do with jesus. He's just the much needed figure head.
I have no problem with people following religious paths, just do your research first.
In responce to your first post I'll say that just a year and a half ago I would have probably been of the same opinion if I heard someone having experiences like the one I describe. In college I aced every psychology class I took, including abnormal psych. I've read much about human mind and behavior in addition to curricular studdies. What you say makes sence. But having experienced it myself I am certain that I'm dealing with entities which are separate from my consciousness. They've attached themselves to my mind, they usurp it's weaknesses and try to manipulate it, but they are not fragments of it. Believe what you want, but I speak the truth as I know it. Before considering Christian doctrines about demons I looked into other possibilities. Demons theory just happened to explain my experience the best. By the way, the concept of demons is present in all major religions. All of them also recognize insanity as an affliction different from one of being demonized. Obviously, the phenomenon of incarnate beings trying to influence humanity was observed by many. Just because modern medicine cannot observe it in a consistent scientific way does not mean it does not exist.
As for your second responce, I've done tons of research of various religions and spiritial paths, including Christianity. I haven't and I am not going to say that Christian Church of any denomination has the monopoly on truth. I've never been crazy about organized religion and I still am not. ...too much hipocracy for my taste. I disagree that modern Christianity has nothing to do with Jesus, it certainly does, but it is true that it has lost much of the essence of his original teachings. This is true of all religions. An enlightened master is poiting the way, instead of going there people are looking at his finger and create all kinds of rituals and ceremonies around it. Nevertheless, whatever the Church does, Jesus' lessons, as we know them, are good ones. He taught about love, compassion, mercy, justice, tollerance, and truth. I think this would be a happier world if more people lived by these values. I did not ask anyone here to convert to Christianity. That is not the objective of my post. One does not have to be a Christian to be a good man and do the right thing. One does not have to become a Christian to learn form my experience and avoid becoming a victim to evil forces in this world. For your good, I only ask that you keep an open mind about this. You don't have to belive me, just consider what I said. One day it might save you.
Mr. Faith, I wish you the most of luck on your journey. I hope that in the end, you find some peace.
i hope that you don't manage to subject some poor children to your insanity.
i worry about you even being able to drive a car.
Sooo.... How far in your studies of the Kabbalah did you get?
Did you try reading any of those links I left you? Perhaps this
is really just about what something wants from you, not whether
it is good or bad. If you don't want it, tell it to fuck off. Really, I'm
not kidding. Be fierce. Now... women, from the dawn of man, have
been used as broodmares by men, for fathering their sons and
as an object for man's lusts. If Lilith or some entity screamed off
from the beginning because she refused to bow and be an underling
of Adam (whatever version), it is about time we observed that she may
have had a point.
Man has treated this world as an object also, to tussle over, to 'own',
and all that has gotten us is endless warfare. So... "bitch.. take it, give
me sons, I reserve the right to cut your clitoris off, and don't whine if
all I care for is endless possessiveness and deathdealing..."
Uhhhh, so if some succubi are pestering you, maybe as males it's
about time we got our comeuppance. I think I'll err on the side of the
feminine here, since I am sick of greedy dickheads (not implying you
are in this category, just riffing..)
Also, that name is way silly. You might try something with a little less
>>>a huge carnival where anything and everything goes: dancing to trance music, sex, drugs and masquerade at night, socializing, occult and New Age activities in the afternoon.
hehe....funny description....no offense,.....it just sounds like something one would type up in a f*cking brochure about Bman....geez, seriously?
>>>A combination of yoga practice and drug use dismantled my spiritual boundaries
smoking pot constantly and doing yoga practice can literally make you go crazy....you are opening up to an simultaneously fucking with your subtle nerve channels....too bad no one told you this when you naively started doing all this "meditating and smoking pot"....
sorry to hear about your torment....i do believe there are energy vamps out there, and oddly enough you claim they abound right in this community....i can imagine that you may have unfortunately have had something to do with your own mental deteriorization.....not blaming you, but maybe the way you think about things....may have led people to just kind of fuck with you and tease you.....dunno if i ever met you around in our community, but i do apologize for the juvenile actions of some not so enlightened folks in the oh so hip scene.....
hope you find the help you need bro....it's hard to believe there's nothing out there in all those avenues you tried that could've helped...seems like you took all the good routes....seriously nothing helped? pray for guidance
Since there is no way to verify your claims, since the person you reference
as *not* having talked to you might have in all truth done so and yet you
speak of lies, since you follow a mistaken view of God as dualistic, an
'eternal war' which it is quite apparent that no one here is interested in,
whether spiritual, religious or whatnot, since you would tell us of good
works while hiding as an alt, expecting us to believe, since I have seen
this sort of thing (the sowing of division) all over tribe, casual instigation...
I just have to say that _there is no reason_ to listen to you anymore.
Any real person, having some idea as to this community, wanting to see
how they were, would go about having conversations rather than touting
an old dead perceptual viewpoint. No one is going to come in to a place like
this with an accusatory tone, saying that Burners are demon-possessed.
If you wanted advice, you would have shown a face, gained trust, participated
in conversations, then told your tale and asked for advice. What's your hurry?
The webpages you reference are full of the same old hackneyed bible thumping
and quoting, in order to keep the fear machine well fed. I hate that crap. So maybe
like Hagee you want the end of the world. Gotta get busy destroying everything, huh?
Just so you can have eternal life. Does that make any sense whatsoever?!?
If God *did* create this world, would he want people who prefer to cop out on the
struggle to be human and respect others (all humans under this theory being faces
of God) to decide destroying the world would bring their 'salvation'? Might as well
strap on a bomb and go kill some innocents with that attitude.
In the emanations from one Sephirah to another, leftover forces become the
qliphoth before the emanating is completed. It's that simple. It's all God, by that
theory. You wallow in dualism. Have fun with it.
yeah, i just wanna say, i'm not so into the Christian viewpoint of god talked about by the poster here, but i felt like responding out of some kind of concern for this person's pain and deception (whether it was external or internal)....hopefully if he believes in the bible, the church, etc....will be able to help him......although i would personally have my doubts
Hey I heard there was a great party in LA.
I was thinking about car-pooling.
With gas prices, those bloodsuckers are like vampires and will suck your wallet dry.
Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, crucify me, all I can do is think about getting home and having a tall cool glass of Demonic Whiskey.
Christ it raises my spirits.
Next batter... big whiffer... everybody move in... definite ground ball.
Wormhole, as for telling the spirits to fuck off -- I tried, they only retaliate. It is mental rape.
As for my views of God, they are not a point of my post, but anyway, do you honestly know which view are right? I, btw, don't claim that I do, and I am not trying to force my faith on anybody in this forum, I'm just sharing my story. The point is that there are predators operating in this community. I looked at your links -- very interesting, thank you for prividing an additional resource which clearly agnowledges existance of spirits whose motives are less then kind. No one has to listen to me or do anything about what I reported. My post is for those who are interested and apparently there are quite a few, judging by the number of responces. Many of the blindly negative replies here only help make my point as to the nature of many, by all means not all, but many, people participating in the burner scene. To me it is obvious that there is a war between good and evil. We chose our side in every decision we make. I did not invent the division, it's there, even in the Burning Man and on this forum, there are tribes of lightworker/healers and tribes of satanists -- Satan, btw, literally means an adversary. Those who love evil and hate good are actively recruiting, and, as my experience shows, they don't take 'no' for an answer.
As for my not showing a face, what I look like or what my real name is is immaterial. I don't want to attract any more unwanted attention then I already have. One just have to look at some replies in this thread to see how much some hate what I stand for.
So, then perhaps you believe in evolution as an explanation for our coming into existence?
K, shakeup a puzzle box from now until your last day on earth, let me know when it finally shakes together into a completed puzzle.
little flower, thank you for good wishes.
You are right on about your view of the effect of the drugs and yoga on my bodymind system. It was a serious error on my part to combine these two. I did not know better. Maybe some people can learn from my experience.
You are also right that some people around me used the confusion they saw in me to fuck with me. I don't think they are all evil or possessed. Some are. Those are perhaps too far gone. Those who were merely irresponsible in their action I hope will be kinder to their friends in the future. Real friends help each other, not hurt.
As for my viewpoint of God, once again, it's not a point of my post. I've gone through periods in my life when I was atheistic. When I was most influenced by the spirits a bit over a year ago I was into pantheism. Right now it makes the most sence to me that the universe could have innitially had only one Creator. This I call God. The reason for my tribe.net name choice is a protest to spirits trying to get me under their control. Believing that this God is good is a personal choice. It's a faith that keeps me going, not a certain knowledge. If you or anyone would rather believe otherwise I won't try to stop you. I am also not going to insist that these spirits are any particular kind of entities. They could be fallen angels, spirits of the dead, I suppose they could even be a life-form from another planet. What I am certain about is that they are not a product of my imagination, and also that they have ruined my life in retaliation for my refusing to become their slave and do harm to others.
This is what I think, and again, perhaps it is a Christian way of thinking, but I think it applies to all. All this talk of the supernatural is convaluding the real heart of the matter. I don't believe we are meant to do battle with the supernatural--we are humbly human. The supernatural is not for us to worry about.
What's the saying? It's not the Demons on the outside you have to worry about, but the Demons on the inside you need to worry about...
We should all ask ourselves: are we helping to make the world a better place or are we making it an ugly place? What will we leave behind for our children and their children?
Does this sound corny? If you have a child or niece or nephew, look into their eyes, see their smiles and then decide if this is really such a corny way of thinking...
Events and circumstance (life experiences) flesh out our thoughts into actions...It helps us figure out who we really are.
You wanna worry about Demons? Worry about yourselves. What will you do when chaos inevitably comes. Will you be a person of substance, helping your brethren, or will you simply secumb to fear and be a hungry ghost, doing evil's bidding?
When famine comes, will you rip bread out of your neighbors' hand to feed your own child? When disease strikes, will you take the time to check to see who is infected and who is not, or will you authorize the destruction of a whole community? What will you do when chaos inevitably comes knocking? Every generation is challenged (droughts, wars, disease), and history shows their victories and failures.
"I fear no evil as I walk thru the valley of darkness, for I know the Lord is with me." That valley of darkness is within, and one day we all may have to walk thru it.
DreamCatcher, you said it well. I don't think it's corny. You are absolutelly right, the battle of good vs evil happens first of all in our mind. I also agree that we should not be preoccupied with the spirit world. But it is good to be aware of it. I wasn't... not about evil anyway. Being in the spiritual/energy healers community I heard often about spirit guieds, spirits who help human race, not harm. My ignorance of demonic spirits resulted in my having too much trust in the incarnate beings. I erroneously assumed that spirits are inherently good. Discerning spirits is a skill I did not have. (BTW, there's tons published about it on the Internet and in literature, for those who want to look into it further.) If you take anything from my post at least take the awareness that there indeed are spiritual entities with malicious agenda. One day you might hear a voice not coming from any person, or feel guided to do something that isn't you mind's idea. When you do, don't assume you are channeling, for example, some enlightened master just because that's what voice tells you, test it. If you're going to attempt or allow your bodymind be used as a medium for spirits, realize the risks involved, and be ready to pull our at the first sign of trouble. It's a cliche but true -- things are not always what they appear to be. This is especially true as far as the supernatural is concerned. Knowledge is power. Be safe.
you're a fucking idiot.
"So, then perhaps you believe in evolution as an explanation for our coming into existence?
K, shakeup a puzzle box from now until your last day on earth, let me know when it finally shakes together into a completed puzzle."
The original post is a classic example the onset of schizophrenia. I didn't read all the other posts, but you really should seek some help from a doctor. Your life is going to be really difficult until you find someone to help you. This is a mental disease that a lot of people have.
OK, wanna play?
"The point is that there are predators operating in this community"
"thank you for prividing an additional resource which clearly agnowledges existance of spirits whose motives are less then kind."
I did no such thing. That is just a perceptual viewpiont, in any case...
"To me it is obvious that there is a war between good and evil."
Prove it. Already too accusatory of a tone. Why all the hate, God-lover?
Sounds like the 'dark side' to me.
"I did not invent the division, it's there, even in the Burning Man and on this forum, there are tribes of lightworker/healers and tribes of satanists -- Satan, btw, literally means an adversary."
You're still not getting it. Good vs. Bad, Light vd. Dark... so on.. dualistic thinking.
"Those who love evil and hate good are actively recruiting, and, as my experience shows, they don't take 'no' for an answer."
And this is based on sexual feelings? Sorry, that is a HUGE burden to prove.
"As for my not showing a face, what I look like or what my real name is is immaterial"
I don't feel so. What are you afraid of? I am afraid of nothing... well... not even that!
God to a religious tribe and spout this nonsense, see how far you get.
I have *no idea* what you stand for... seriously!
You are too argumentative to be a truthful example of someone needing repairing.
Therefore, I have no faith in you whatsoever.
Can't you even go get a foto from a frame in a Michael's and post it,
then create a story to back up the image? So weak...
"blindly negative replies here only help make my point"
What you see as negative many others see as heckling.
More rending, would you like?
What *do you* think of the Kabbalah? Not worth it to you, huh?
Once again, I dislike this mode of discourse, and I will not even open this thread again.
I'm gonna try my very best not to. Do your own research. It doesn't seem that by being in an extreme
position, you are helping yourself, this world, or anyone else in any way.
What did you do as far as Kabbalah, just wear a red string on your wrist?
If it's mental rape, why don't you just sit back and enjoy it?
That's it... OUT!
One more thing... why not!
Suppose I've experienced the exact same thing you've related.
Would that make you feel any better?
Your answer would be very important here... think about it.
Don't just type anything... ruminate a while.
I have no dislike of you, whoever you are, just dislike of this old crappy dialectic.
This old spent argument. This endless in perpetuity handwringing over whether
good or evil prevails... If you have no faith in God, then why the fuck even post this?!
Now, suppose that more and more people might begin to experience this same phenomenon...
Is that a good thing, or a bad thing?
Does it mean telepathy not just with humankind, but with all essences?
Does this make chills creep up your spine?
<Evolution isn't "random." If every time two of the pieces that belonged next to each other in the puzzle came into contact they stuck together, then it wouldn't take very long. It's not a very good analogy, but your little illustration is worse. Just on of those "this should stop the conversation because it's so misguided that people are going to be in shock" bombs that the anti-evolutionists use because they don't have much of any solid defenses.
<shakeup a puzzle box from now until your last day on earth, let me know when it finally shakes together into a completed puzzle. > Evolution isn't "random." If every time two of the pieces that belonged next to each other in the puzzle came into contact they stuck together, then it wouldn't take very long. It's not a very good analogy, but your little illustration is worse. Just on of those "this should stop the conversation because it's so misguided that people are going to be in shock" bombs that the anti-evolutionists use because they don't have much of any solid defenses.
I just can figure out why you haven't apologised to the "LA Burners"
I thought Christains were more responsible that to make sweeping accusations against so many people, many of whom are really wonderful, kind hearted people.
Will you paint evryone whom you distrust with the same brush?
It appears as though in starting this post all those
unnamed mockers that this person is experiencing
just got names... ours...
Yet... we don't get his... why is that?
So the badly written story went from accepting blame
from hassling voices, ascribing them to your party hearties,
then lashing out to a community that had never seen your face,
calling burners the equivalent to satan worshippers (LA such
to begin with, now this crowd) all because your heuristic algorthm
modalities are down. And because you want to war with something.
By insisting you are the ultimate clinger to good (in the form of the
Judeo-Christian god), you make these voices evil. Because it is
a war between you, for dominance. Sexual dominance games...
heheheheheheh.... mistaken ideas on absolute goodness.
Uhhh, faithfull.... who is more real, you, or the voices?
Make a decision.
And yeah, I really just couldn't help myself, going back into this thread.
And no, this guy *isn't* my alt. That's the funny part.
But what's happening is like Kabuki theatre..."The word kabuki is believed
to derive from the verb kabuku, meaning "to lean" or "to be out of the ordinary",
so kabuki can be interpreted to mean "avant-garde" or "bizarre" theatre."
From wiki. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imag...-stamp.jpg
Apologise for what... trying to help? ...speaking the truth?
I said it before, and I'll say it again, many burners, I belive, are good people, indeed wonderful and kind hearted. To those my post is directed, apparently not for you, and obviously not for your friend Wormhole who thinks that rape is to be enjoyed.
My previous post was to interplanet_janet.
Wormhole, people are not as stupid as you think and want them to be. Anyone with half a brain can see through your projections. You are obviously upset about the facts of my story and the implications, and are trying to kill the message. Why not just let it be, leave the thread, let other readers draw their own conclusions.
"and obviously not for your friend Wormhole who thinks that rape is to be enjoyed."
How weak! That, my friend, is a true projection. Slink away into the darkness, whydoncha?
You simply cannot understand me, can you?
What facts? It's all in your mind!
"If it's mental rape, why don't you just sit back and enjoy it?"
Those are your words, Wormhole.
You asked me if I want to play. No, Wormhole, I did not come here to play. I'm not into bullshit. I'm here to save lives.
"Slink away into the darkness, whadoncha?"
Whatever you might believe, I wish you well. I hope what happened to me never happens to you.
I truly wish you and everyone here well.
"You are obviously upset about the facts of my story and the implications, and are trying to kill the message.
Why not just let it be, leave the thread, let other readers draw their own conclusions."
Waaahhh, leave the thread! What message! Seriously!
What implications!? If you are unwilling to state them, why should I?
You first said 'mental rape', then you change it to 'rape'. Nice modification.
OK, I'll let you alone for a while. Let's see how much more you post.
But just remember, you haven't addressed the 'implication' I proposed.
A la if many experience what you 'say' you have. You can't handle that idea, can you?
You seem remarkably self-possessed for someone supposedly harried as much as you 'say' you are.
"I'm here to save lives."
Pride. Let them save themselves, if they feel like it.
If that is even a proper way to look at it. What matters
if they find their own way to the Virgin Spirit, the Source,
Brahma, whatever it could be called?
What the heck does 'save lives' mean anyway?
Save them for what? Does god 'own' us? Look in
another thread. If you think god 'owns' you, you're in for it.
In some theories, the qliphoth depend downwards from Yesod.
Yet, this does not give a qliphah to Malkuth. They all have them.
So, what is the Vice of Malkuth? Avarice(Greed), Inertia.
How many get to go to Heaven? Some number you decide?
144,000? All of them? Is there a 'soul bank'? Is that putting
a limit on the number of souls God can create? Dualism!
How many of God's created souls does he want to 'save'?
Would He even want to correct those leftovers, the qliphoth?
Or at least give them some function? Are they trying to
determine their own function? Does he like that? Separateness.
If it's 'mental rape', all you just doing it to yourself?
Re-absorb them. Act like your own God, and re-absorb them.
I feel no separateness, really.
In my book pride is rejecting your creator and pretending to be God.
That is exactly the mindset spirits tried to accomplish in me in the first weeks of them talking to me.
Such philosophy is a slippery road. It is attractive, but not rational. We are mere mortals, volnerable human beings.
Saving lives, on the other hand, is loving kindness.
Living in this world we depend on each other's support.
Oneness is nice, and I would like that, but I want that with the source of Love, Light, Peace, Truth, not just anything that comes along and wants a piece of me, even if it's willing to reward my compliance and denial of what's really important with pleasures and material goods.
Someone should repost this thread to the
'Fun with Fundies' tribe. This is truly hilarious.
Who determines what God is? Do humans?
I DON'T THINK SO. Was Christ God? Did he
perform acts beyond the human ken?
Back to the Trinity puzzle.
There are no facts in your story.
There is just what's gone on in your mind.
These are your imaginings. Do you judge
yourself over them? Is anything you think
or imagine separate from you?
I have no intention of rejecting *any* creator.
You know that. Right now, you have been
creating this. Have I rejected you?
"We are mere mortals, vulnerable human beings."
We don't have to be forever. God wants lucid, sentient beings as companions,
not parrots. The Devil, even if there is such, wants yesmen. I will not be anyone's
yesman. I question.
'pretending to be God' --- Is God pretending to be God?
You need to start out with some extremely low hurdles,
but please, don't quit competing!
>In my book pride is rejecting your creator and pretending to be God.<
Well in my book you can color on the pages and I like to make god green with red spots.
My other favorate book is my scratch and sniff book "We all Poop".
Waitress! ----- Waitress?!
Why was I served just the remnants of the other guests meals in this frying pan?!
I paid good money! I expected eggs, bacon, sausage, some kielbasa, pork rinds,
hash browns, toast, OJ, tabasco sauce and a sprig of parsley. Why was I just given
this overly carcinogenated fricasseed hodge podge of stuck-on thin layered fried
completely inedible blackened hash? I can't even get it off the pan with the spatula!
This isn't what I paid for!!!
(Waitress says---) Kiss My Grits!
Some of us have no creators to reject.
Has anyone here ever heard of Schizophrenia? It's a mental illness, with real, physical, chemical imbalances in the brain that cause this kind of confusion of facts & feelings. Very interesting stuff; fantastical, but offered as truth, which he may even believe (but also, he could just as easily be taking us for a little ride - for his own amusement) Opinionated, very unstable, highly inaccurate, & undependable, to say the least~
You are all arguing with a mental illness! Do you really expect to win something?
And some of you just fall to attacking each other, trying to show your superiority to each other. As if mere accomplishments equal superiority! Or that knowledge & beliefs prove one's correctness!
You ALL appear to be Mad! MAD I say! That's why I LOVE this tribe so much ;-D
Please, carry on folks, & keep up the good work!
PS~ Wormhole, love your show!
Others of us belive hubris is believing that you had a special creator, because you cannot stand to be of the same stuff as the rest of life.
Oh well, COG, you are not the first to suggest this. And I am not surprised that this opinion is popular here. I know what the phenomenon I describe might look like... I took abnormal psychology in college and have worked with mentally ill as physical therapist.
Interestingly enough, spirits explicitly gave me an ultimatum -- be a bullshitter or bullshitters will consider you crazy. I made my choice.
Quite honestly, I don't care what you or anyone here thinks of my mental health. I am not here to make an image for myself. Thus, I am not even going to address the baseless accusations you pose against my character.
Sometimes it's the right thing to go against the grain.
It must have been pretty lonely for non-fascists in the nazi Germany during the World War Two. Many millions have been converted to the evil idiology by a charismatic leader, millions more followed the momentum of the group.
Crypto was highlighting the human tendency to escape challenging realities by means of contrived elitism and delusion.
Or were you demonstrating the pathology, a sly rhetorical example?
well now that it comes down to nazi germany, you've hit all the major buttons.
please, you are a christian troll, and a bad one at that.
christianity is going against the grain.
Hey, in 100 ad. It's been coasting on that for a while, but, you know...
>> You are all arguing with a mental illness! Do you really expect to win something?
Although sometimes it is hard to distinguish between a schizophrenic and your run-of-the-mill fundamentalist Christian. In either case, it is was waste of time to engage them in discussion.
matthew, if I was trying to promote Christianity on this community, you betcha I'd be going against the grain -- I dare you to find much representation for it on tribe.net or at Burning Man, but one can much more easily find a satanic tribe and a hitler camp -- but once again, I'm not here to accomplish religious conversion, I am here to share my story and lessons I learned.
I, for one, belive in the freedom of choice, this includes a freedom to chose one's spiritual path. demonic spirits, on contraire, are trying to force me to abandon my values and serve their evil purpose. there are people here, who obviously fallen itno the demonic trap. if they want to remain there, it's their choice, but I feel I must warn those who can still escape this affliction.
you. are. crazy.
at the risk of seeming a grammar nazi,
I JUST LOVE IT!! WHEN SOMEBODY OVERREACHES, FRONTING INTELLECT AND SHOOTS THEMSELVES IN THE FOOT!!!!
such a telltale.........
Well he did say he was Russian, as a means to excuse his bad grammar.
And, not to be mean FSOTG, but I still say Schizo!!!
You say you are healthy, but that demons are at war for your mortal soul. (this doesn't sound like an old scenario to anyone else does it?)
So healthy, in fact, that only YOU can detect them? So... all the rest of us non-christian humans have these demons as well, only we are too... what?... greedy, stupid, unaware, desirous of 'evil', in need of YOUR divine guidance to know what is happening to us? Is that about right? You are here as warning, a light, a savior?
Please, don't answer. I AM now done chatting with crazy, though I won’t say it hasn’t been fun at times…
Thanks for your concerns, but please, tend to your OWN wounds first before trying to SAVE any of the rest of us.
Oh, & BTW, to all the Angelenos implicated in this silly thread, San Diego doesn't believe the hype about you LA folks being VAMPIRES. Personally I think LA can tap your energies, but as to REAL blood sucking? Well who knows? ha ha ha
Interestingly enough, the religious zealots have been battleing it out over at the Astrology Tribe...wonders never cease.
That's a good place to play "My invisible friend can beat up your invisible friend" imo.
well im a christian muslim buddhist .
I think your ok, I sense a wave of evil at burning man, occasionaly while traveling high or not high. I can not forget one summer in 2000, where out on the playa, a girl in her mid 20's was way out of her mind, screaming crying kicking, banging the shit out of some art sculpture thaqt made diffrent soundz. I can see the demons on her using her body to hit this thing, and as she hit it her whole body lite up, and i can see all kinds of demons around her (well i was tripping)
I felt bad like i had to comfort her, but i couldnt appoach her, i was than surronded by others, watching her. I think she was really high, she started screaming things like she was just rapped. Im sure this may or not have happend, yet i here stories of it, it happens in all communities tempororary like BM or Rainbow, conventional 12 60 or 1320 , rape is happening.
Im sure all kinds of bad things happens , it is a playground of our imagaination. So lets have good dream, and create some peace and love, compassion and tolerance.
<in all communities tempororary like BM or Rainbow, conventional 12 60 or 1320 >
<in all communities tempororary like BM or Rainbow, conventional 12 60 or 1320 >
as in all communities> Burning Man, Rainbow Gatherings. (rape does happen) a conventional community is the one where you are 12:60 , IE Albuquerque suburb, or Sunnyvale , or San Jose, or where wver you are it is conventional enough to have a wire signal to tinternet.
a 13 20 community, based on love and gifiting is akin to BM or a rainbow gathering. Sadly , i do think a level of deceptive energies do function at these events to, hence a level of crime: Rape, theft etc.....
If Burning Man fully funtioned in the codes of the 13 20, i doubt there would be any rape or plunder, or crime. There would be no need for the law to be there thats fo sure.
i think if any community fully functioned in the 13 20 there would be absoulote peace....... well till than i guess thats why it is called the dream time.....
There will always be conflict between people and things will get violent or sticky or dishonest as a result.
Would someone please scratch my ass chakra?
Um, no. I'm simply not willing to do something so intimate.
>Lets bury this. A guy had a bad trip with the LA burners and he turned Xtian. So what. He does more good for society as an Xtian than abusing drugs and living an unproductive lifestyle.
I'd argue that one. At least drug addled ravers don't go about collectively trying to legislate their morality on others.
amen. and he's not just christian he's delusional. what if he thinks someone is possessed and attacks that person? what if, heaven forfend, he manages to have children and thinks that one of them is possessed and manages to murder them during an exorcism?
like in this case...
or this one...
or this one...
or this one...
or this one...
or this one...
"At least drug addled ravers don't go about collectively trying to legislate their morality on others."
If you aren't a troll, nor a missionary, and this shit is real,
my advice to you is to seek comfort in the fact you haven't lost,
given in and done something terrible to anyone or yourself.
From what I read, you are winning.
The voices can't seem to convert you, and you should take at least a little bit of devious enjoyment
out of their frustration with you not listening to them.
I cannot imagine the struggle you have gone through,
but I see this post as yet another victory for you, coming back to life.
My take on this all is that when people die, they don't just suddenly 'see the light' and become angels.
Nor do they instantly become 'demons'. They probably don't really change that much.
Perhaps ignorant people with a passive aggressive attitude, become 'ghostly bullies',
unaware of the true pain and discomfort they create.
Kinda like when you play Grand Theft Auto, do you really care about the folks you just rammed?
No we don't, coz that shit ain't 'real'.
Maybe they don't know it is 'real', and maybe your body is like a shelter for such derailed spirits,
where they can come curse at you all they like, but will only learn it is not the way to be.
Maybe you can point them in a different direction, and get them back on track whatever that is.
Maybe you've become more of a healer than you are aware of, and maybe you have all kinds of helpers helping you out all the time,
but they anonymous and invisible so the derailed spirits visiting you start wondering about your strength and devotion to goodness.
Maybe every now and then they wonder, they imagine how it could be to do constructive, loving good deeds,
maybe you make them doubt their actions. Try to look at them as misguided children, eagerly wanting to be loved,
perhaps unaware of their deepest longing for affection and togetherness.
Instead of going to a shrink yourself, maybe YOU are THEIR shrink...
Are there any voices that seem to be gone? Are there some that seemed to have moved on?
Now, if this is all made up, and you are in fact what we call a 'troll',
I figure you are in deeper shit then if this was indeed real.
i personally have been exorcised by my homophobic parents because they thought that "demons" caused my homosexuality.
one the stand in divorce court my father testified that he was not responsible for beating my mother because he was "possessed by demons."
it never ceases to amaze me how fucking full of it people can be.
"If you aren't a troll, nor a missionary, and this shit is real,
my advice to you is to seek comfort in the fact you haven't lost,
given in and done something terrible to anyone or yourself.
From what I read, you are winning. "
here's another little gem.
"A mother suspected of killing her four children, whose decomposing bodies were found in her home, told police they were possessed by demons, according to court records."
"Jacks told police that her daughters were possessed by demons and that each died in her sleep during a seven- to 10-day period, court documents said. Aja died first, she told police, then N'kiah, Tatianna and Brittany."
"Preliminary findings are that Brittany was stabbed to death and that Aja died from blunt-force impact to the back of her head and possible ligature strangulation."
who knows what someone this divorced from reality will do?
what if he thinks the voices are god now?
what if they tell him to do something? if he thinks it's god, he would believe it right?
Then it looks like I'll have to do it myself on Faithful Servant of One True God's head.
Ramon, thank you for advice and a vote of trust, or at least a benefit of the doubt.
You propose an interesting explanation for how these spirits can go on inflicting the pain the cause. I have thought about it many times. I cannot imagine how anyone can be so purposefully and continuously hurtful if they realize that the suffering is real. To them it is obviously a game, they enjoy it. They claim it's a joke. I suspect it's exactly as you describe for people who assist these spirits. I wonder too if these spirits might have been terribly hurt sometime ago, or maybe even to a present day, or if for whatever reason they're deeply envious of human beings, that this is how they satisfy their anger at life or God and/or hatered of humanity. As I've mentioned, they often remind me that they hate me; they say it passionatelly, I belive them.
I have also thought about and have attempted to rehabilitate them. I spent countless hours meditating on loving kindness and praying not only for my own salvation but also for the betterment of the whole world, I read texts that speak about compassion by enlightened teachers of various spiritual paths, I've done charity... all these things seem to have only irritated these spirits. They believe that "it's all bullshit." ...'all' apparently includes life itself. They obviously don't value human life at all.
In the days after I rejected spirit's demand that I should be 'an asshole' and asked them to leave, some voices disappeared. Several voices that stayed remained to this day, though, now a year later. They promise me that they'll never leave. They say they'll be gone when I'm gone. They've ruined my life in every way and are determined to keep it that way. They are also perfectly aware and seem to enjoy the suffering my affliction cause my friends and family. As much as I would love to think the best, I no longer believe that these spirits can grow a heart. These spirits are a pure evil, most probably beyond repair.
I do belive that the good in people and the world, however, can prevail over the powers of darkness.
Go see a shaman is my advice, a trained one in the midst of the amazon in peru. There you will find your sanctuary back and perhaps your next step on the path of healing.
Greert, thanks for advice; done that already. I had high hopes for shammanism. This path in particular deals with undoing of black magic. I saw several prominent shamans in the states and spent two weeks with a native shaman in Puruvian jungle, near Iquitos. Unfortunatelly, they have not been able to help. Shamans, apparently, specialize with releasing spirits which are a thought forms created by magicians (Brujo). What I have, I'm increasingly convinced, are actual spiritual entities, independent of any human practitioner of psychic arts, and thus more resistent to a human efforts to excrete them. I suspect these spritis are demons -- fallen angels, or spirits of particularly wicked people who died. Given their general animosity toward all of humanity I tend to believe that they've been incarnal for all of their existance.
I want to precede what I am about to type as being merely conjecture on my part. What I am about to attempt to relate is mostly the product of intuitive reasoning on my part. There is something about Faithful Servant that just doesn't seem to fit. He/She is rational, intelligent yet presents a point of view that seems to be the product of a schizophrenic mind. It seems like He/She is promoting Christianity but then whenever this is called out the poster replies with a sound yet slightly passive-aggressive response. The didactic employed consistently throughout these posts (on this tribe and elsewhere) reminds me a lot of how Bill Clinton defended himself after the Monica Lewinsky affair.
On the politics tribe, there is another guy who evokes the same emotions I experience upon reading this post. Namely, of presenting a point of view which seems logical at times and downright crazy at other times. So, I started reading up on Culture Jamming. The definition of which is:
A precise definition of culture jamming is elusive. Its been called a resistance movement to cultural hegemony, whereas some say the defining theme of culture jamming is an individualistic turning away from all forms of herd mentality – including that of movements – and by that definition, culture jamming should never be represented as a movement. Culture jamming is not defined by any specific political position or message, nor even by any specific cultural position or message. The common thread is mainly an urge to poke fun at the homogenous nature of popular culture, often by means of guerrilla communication (communication unsanctioned or opposed by government or other powers-that-be).
Culture jamming could be defined as an art movement, although this too may be insufficient to cover the full spectrum of activities identified as culture jamming. Culture jamming has been characterized as a form of public activism which is generally in opposition to commercialism, and the vectors of corporate image. However, this also is too narrow a definition to cover all culture jamming activities (that definition more closely fits Subvertising). Some culture jamming takes aim at these power structures because they are part of the dominant culture, but any other aspects of the dominant culture are also fair game for culture jamming.
Culture jamming sometimes entails transforming mass media to produce ironic or satirical commentary about itself, using the original medium's communication method.
Now, I am not saying that these posts constitute an attempt to Jam the BM culture, but I can't help but to notice that in each one of these posts, one of the possible intended effects is to isolate and marginalize what in my opinion is a vast and dynamic community. It's as if these posts when distilled into their essence would in effect assert that Burning Man fosters Religious Intolerance, Liberal Terrorism and Seditious Behavior. Like I said, this is just a hunch brought about by intuitive reasoning that is not based upon logic. I just wonder if anyone else feels that something is not quite right about this?
possibly. though in many ways it sounds like an all too plausible combination of stupid belief systems in an unfortunate trainwreck of obnoxiousness.
...yes; as the old saying goes.. "these things usually come in threes."
It's more a big mix of self-obsessed, attention-seeking, whining, spoiled white kids who believe every turd that drops out of there ass is worth gold. They put it on a pedestal and worship it like they want to get raped by it. This is a twisted community with many twisted individuals that have not evolved to be human yet. Their spirits are lost in a whirlwind of their own farts. Save yourself while you can, run from being sucked in this pandora's box. Run....RUN.....!!
That's all I have to say about that.
and one more thing. These long posts really suck ass. It takes an excrutiating seventy seconds to scroll to the bottom of the post with the down arrow key. Then in order to get to the bottom by grabbing onto the scroll button and dragging it down the screen one would have to have the dexterity of a neuro-surgeon! The size of the vertical scrolling button shrinks as the post gets longer and longer. It's enough to drive a person mad.
nothing you say makes an ounce of sense.
"It's more a big mix of self-obsessed, attention-seeking, whining, spoiled white kids who believe every turd that drops out of there ass is worth gold."
particularly when many posters on this thread have a tenuous hold on reality to being with!
"It's enough to drive a person mad."
That's because you don't understand. The whole world doesn't make sense to you. Even 'you' don't make sense to you. Go let those demons crawl up your ass and don't bother. Maybe in a next incarnation you will have more insight as a ... worm.
Not trying to be snarky but didn't Forest Gump say 'That's all I have to say about that," as the camera POV panned to him sitting on the park bench with the old woman?
"As much as I would love to think the best, I no longer believe that these spirits can grow a heart. These spirits are a pure evil, most probably beyond repair. Given their general animosity toward all of humanity I tend to believe that they've been incarnal for all of their existance."
I don't believe that.
To me it seems more likely that you are hearing your own messages, through different voices.
You might have had a traumatic experience in the past, that you've suppressed beyond memory,
that has triggered a downward spiral in your overall well Being, ultimately resulting in your current situation.
Even though you might be a 'troll' or 'culture jammer', I feel it would still be usefull to try and help you out.
For one, I wonder if you've ever seen "Detox or Die": www.youtube.com/watch
It's about a longtime heroin and methadon addict, that filmed his own recovery through a potentially lethal Ibogaine treatment.
I don't neccessarily think it would help in your case, but it is an example of how a desperate soul got his life back.
Secondly, I wonder if you've ever considered a trip around the world, chasing the horizon for adventure and new friendships,
complete freedom. Save up some money and go where your heart tells you to go, even if voices point in another direction.
Perhaps take on a new hobby, learn an instrument and play funny (or sappy, melodramatic) music when they try to bring you down.
I would also advice to search deeper than the bible, especially the apocryph gnostic texts from Nag Hamadi & the Red Sea.
Not because I think you are dealing with demons, but because I feel the gnostic roots of Christianity are far more intruiging than the bible.
The bible is imho nothing more than carefully selected recycled and designed texts bundled together for maximum oppression & control over the 'lower' classes. The Vatican determines it's content, and books like the 'Gospel of Thomas' have been denied entry in the bible.
It seems it all started with sun worship, and when you think about it, it is pretty much the only worship that makes any sense.
The sun brings light and warmth, and I'm sure even primitive homo sapiens figured nothing would exist without it.
And here's another idea, sunbathing or sungazing, maybe that'll light a spark in the hearts of your tormenters.
That's great advice Ramon. Another in depth reading you might find useful is the texts in the corpus hermeticum. These texts contain old wisdom and can open up different doors to selfrealisation. There are many stories where people who practice the things you did went insane, temporarily or forever. Within the theories of chaos-magick, the splitting of the mind is actually described as a tool for releasing the mind of the comfort of a reality that is already very thin.
I do have a few questions though:
Do you have animals in your surroundings?
Do you have animals that give you power?
Are there stables with horses you might be able to visit..?
Do you talk to plants? Have/had you family that talks to plants?
Is there a soul you can share this with on an intimate level..?
Have you a belief in God or an all surrounding power?
I think with help of spirit-animals and spirit-plants that have far greater power than any lost soul out there, you will be able to get rid of these spirits/voices. It takes a lot of power and comes down to complete will, fighting and protective power. Do some reading on spiritual protection, making your weapons, shields and amulets and use them as a spiritual tools.
Have you done that before?
you only imagine that the world makes sense to you.
"That's because you don't understand. The whole world doesn't make sense to you. Even 'you' don't make sense to you. Go let those demons crawl up your ass and don't bother. Maybe in a next incarnation you will have more insight as a ... worm."
I thought you might say that. You can keep disdaining the power of the spirit. Keep rejecting yourself as a being that has the power to live a healthy, purposeful life. Just crawl away in your little shell and numb out from reality as it presents it's self to you everyday. Keep feeling sorry for your pityfull existence. It's okay... I mean....if nothing has any value for you, why live right.
You better start seeing opportunities in your gifts, which I am sure you have. Because that is what you are gonna live and die by. And if you feel your gift is destroying reason and progress, knock on somebody elses shell, cause I left mine years ago.
i am the light of consciousness communing with imminent reality. your hideous, racist and mumbled delusions are an insult to the beauty of the universe.
"I thought you might say that. You can keep disdaining the power of the spirit. Keep rejecting yourself as a being that has the power to live a healthy, purposeful life. Just crawl away in your little shell and numb out from reality as it presents it's self to you everyday. Keep feeling sorry for your pityfull existence. It's okay... I mean....if nothing has any value for you, why live right.
You better start seeing opportunities in your gifts, which I am sure you have. Because that is what you are gonna live and die by. And if you feel your gift is destroying reason and progress, knock on somebody elses shell, cause I left mine years ago."
I always knew that cantankerous rodent was some kind of evil hudu in disguise. Hallelu, FSotOTG! You tell 'em.
"an dis aint no communnity. "
No tribe is not a very good community but tribe is the internet and not real life. The Burner community I belong to is loving, caring, crazy, inviting, and all in all the best damned community I can think of.......a wold community.
Wow that is the most dirty hippy thing I have ever said but I can't think of another way to say it.
Yep. You betcha.
How about a fucking spell checker for D'eCiduous?
GEEBUS X QUISTE
Yeah, I think my ears just exploded, or maybe I'm possessed
Jesus has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with XtInanity!
I love Jesus, but live to crush the abomination which is XtInanity!!!!
Gold Guy : Unthreaded ;-(
">> You are all arguing with a mental illness! Do you really expect to win something?
"Although sometimes it is hard to distinguish between a schizophrenic and your run-of-the-mill fundamentalist Christian. In either case, it is was waste of time to engage them in discussion."
Demons and demonic oppression are real. Exponentially more people experience demonic oppression than possession. Possession tend to be ovbious, oppression is almost always not obvious because it's subversive and is made to appear as just "shit happens." And yes, regularly hanging out with persons who are heavily oppressed by demons may induce a sympathetic state of vibration in one's psyche that gives demonic activity a foothold in one's life. Your experiences have been mirrored in many other lives, verily, despite the scoffing of many in response to your post.
Since you are drawn to Christian input, I suggest you get the following books. They are Christian-based processes for reliably identifying and breaking the hold and effect of demons on the individual, groups and even objects as large as buildings. They require you to be a Christian, in the accepting Jesus C. as your Lord and Saviour sense, (BUT [if opposed to being Xtian] AND [if not]), they empower you to clean house!
Be well! Stay well!
Blessing or Curse: You Can Choose
by Derek Prince
Paperback: 304 pages
Publisher: Chosen; 3 edition (September 1, 2006)
Unbroken Curses (Paperback) - the most comprehensive of the two
by Rebecca Brown, Daniel Yoder
Paperback: 175 pages
Publisher: Whitaker House (December 1, 1995)
It's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about. You're a danger, a radical that has no outlet and therefore holds up an image of false truths to reflect onto others. You have been bathing in your own gravy for so long, that you can't see the whole diner table. You may think you're a squeeky clean eightball, in fact you're a meatball.
And if you are really the "light of consciousness communing with imminent reality" how does that reflect on this microcosm of a presidential campaign right here. I'm not out here to convince you of being more than you can be. You already believe that, but your actions don't correspond with your own description of your self.
I don't know a thing about you, and though I would love to know more, life is way too short to be insulting and be insulted. It's time to live up to the higher ideas you stand for. Love for others can show it's beautiful face in many ways, even in an insult.
I love you too..
Oh crap. The power of the spiritt doesn't have to involve pretentious prose.
Pretentious prose is a warning sign.
<How about a fucking spell checker for D'eCiduous?
GEEBUS X QUISTE >
She's actually a troll I have no trouble ignoring. It helps a lot.
Just getting my message across. It doesn't have to do with anything, if that is what you choose, who am I ...you know. I'm not here to save your soul. Live anyway you want. Just stop being assholes, is what I'm saying. No... in fact... 'be' an asshole. Go ahead and be the biggest asshole you can be, how liberating that must be. But if my words sound like prose to you, I wonder what books you've been reading, get your head out of your ass and stop living a lie.
Um. Don't tell me I'm living a lie--you have no idea how I live my life. (CAn I forward all those gushing pms I get about how brave I am?)
As for the a$$hoism, you haven't checked out what tribes I'm in, have you?
I don't like to talk about the ladder of spiritual advancement, for several reasons--but I'm a little tired of the constant scolding that has been going on in this tribe lately, people telling others how spiritually backwards they are.
I honestly think that the lower you are on the spiritual ladder, the more you are tempted to put other people in what you believe to be their spiritual place. All I know about my own spiritual development is that I left behind the stage where I was being good as a performance, to show people I am good. So I'm one rung from the bottom.
I also believe that using obscure and obfuscating language is not a sign of spirtual enlightenment, but an attempt to hide your own ignorance and make yourself feel important. I do realize that various traditions hold otherwise, and frankly I'm not interested in the debate, so I will stipulate right off that there are differing interpretations of this behavior.
My biggest spirtual accomplishment to date? Realizing that I had enough trouble running my own life and had no qualifications to run the lives of others.
I'm sure you are very brave.
But from the first entry I made it this tribe, I got bombarded with insults, hateful comments and people who think their wit is an excuse to be an asshole. I am not one who accepts just anything, so sorry if I made a remark in your direction that was not appropriate. But reason lacks in this tribe, genuine listeners, intelectual reasoning, and constructive conversation are rare here.
Blessings to you.
yeah, um, have you considered the fact that you might be schizophrenic?
Yeah it's a rough and tumble free for all. The consensus is that that's as it should be.
this is why perople get scared and sell out there dreams...3 sides of ego-which one do u feed?
>"...but I can't think of another way to say it."
"Why can't I QUIT you?"
"Go see a shaman is my advice, a trained one in the midst of the amazon in peru. "
Yes, yes. And then pull a tooth out, put it under your pillow and wish *real* hard that the tooth fairy leaves a quarter under your pillow.
I thank those of you who tried to be genuinely helpful.
I'll look into your suggestions.
I'd especially recommend the suggestion for professional help/counseling.
i totally believe you, BUt most people are blind and don't wanna learn about the illuminate. anyways...
fucken masons, people all masses up inthere togetherments, excuse me apartments... fancy new death caskets...
ibogaine and learning about shamanism helps me.
for get psychiatrists,
joseph campbell has more Keys and a school for you to go if you really want help.
bliss up solider!
Hey! something I feel to chime in on...
The mind can be a useful tool for creativity when put to use, or if one chooses to not take responsible for the creation of their own misery and joy, negativity and positivity, heaven or hell, the mind can become a tyrant and think it's in charge. Regardless we can choose to accept responsibility and make change on not. No one can do it for us. Not even a psychic shaman psychiatrist.
There’s a old famous parable:
Once a man was traveling, and entered paradise accidentally. Now, in the Indian concept of paradise there are wish-fulfilling trees. You just sit underneath them, desire anything, and immediately it is fulfilled - there is no gap between the desire and the fulfillment.
The man was tired, so he fell asleep under this wish-fulfilling tree. When he awoke he was feeling hungry, so he said, “I am feeling so hungry, I wish I could get some food from somewhere.” And immediately food appeared out of nowhere - just floating in the air, and it was very delicious food.
He was so hungry that he didn’t pay much attention to where it had come from - when you are hungry you are not much philosophic. He immediately started eating, and the food was so delicious... then once his hunger was gone, he looked around.
Now he was feeling satisfied. And another thought rose in him: “If only I could get something to drink...” And there is still no prohibition in paradise; immediately, precious wine appeared.
Drinking the wine relatedly in the cool breeze of paradise under the shade of of the tree, he started wondering, “What is going on? What is happening? Have I fallen into a dream, or are there some ghosts around who are playing tricks with me?”
And ghosts appeared. And they were ferocious tricksters, horrible and nauseating. And he started to trembling, and a thought rose in him: “Now I am sure to be killed...”
And he was killed.
Your mind is a wish-fulfilling tree. Whatsoever you think, sooner or later is fulfilled.
(A Osho Story: from Take It Easy, Vol. 2, pg. 176-179)
I have heard, Everybody here is a magician. Spinning and weaving a magic world around themselves... and then become caught up in it. The spider itself is caught in it’s own web.
There is nobody torturing you except yourself. Once this is understood, then things’ll start to change.
Let's terminate this thread. It is going no where and does not serve any benefit. Not evey Christian is wacko like John Hagee. or Rod Parsley. Okay. I have a lot of friends that of this faith.
And the last thing that I want to see this board is to turn into den of hate.
Let's talk about the Burn and forget about religion. Lets talk about the Burn and not mock Religon. Okay. We have boards for that on Tribe.
A useless thread and it seems nobody has solved this problem so let's terminateit. it.
well, deletion is in the hands of op and he seems to be really fascinated with himself and with getting attention.
Ignoring it...........? well, fuck.
I just bumped it.
Besides, expecting to be able to talk about the Burn without venturing into religion seems impossible. Either someone is trying to turn the 10 principles or whatever ethos they have found into an ersatz religion, indulging in the worst sophomoric New Age potpourri mysticism, or taking potshots at all of it.
And tell me- faith, creatiivity, creation, principle, living on paths of principle, self reliant thinking v. default thinking, ecstatic visions, community/definiton, roots and birth of,..........etc. - just what domains don't overlap both subjects in some way?
It's just a shame a lot of folks aren't equipped for coherent, truly inquisitive or critically rigorous participation.
This thread is the funniest shit I have ever read on tribe.
Better than tv or a movie.
I am trying so hard not to laugh out loud so not to wake my roommates.
Excuse me while I wipe the tears of laughter from my eyes.
Thanks for the laugh.
BWWWWWWAAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
I GOTTA READ THIS SHIT AGAIN.
Garimo, thank you for your view and an interesting and insightful parable.
I first read this parable about three years ago when I was into Osho. His ideas are no doubt compelling. There is a wisdom in this parable, but it does not reflect a complete story of what happened to me. Just as it does not fully apply to the countless victims of Genocide, Inquisition, Holocaust, natural disasters, wars, crimes, rape, etc. It is true to some extent that we co-create our reality by our actions and thoughts, but we are also affected by the actions and thoughts of others around us, those often are not in harmony with our own and impose on us circumstances that are beyond our control. Having said this, I was partially responsible for what has happened to me and I am responsible for it -- I placed myself in harm's way. But I certainly did not imagine these demons, as I've mentioned I did not even believe in the forces of darkness as actual entities untill only recently, when this conclusion was the only reasonable explanation for what has occured. If you've never dealt with evil spirits then it's hard to believe in their existance, it is certainly an uncomfortable thought. I don't blame anyone here for preferring a thought that my affliction in imaginary. I assure you it's real. I hope others here can learn from my experience and remain in control of their thoughts and lives as much as possible, be free of demons, real or imagined.
how cum every body B so muthafukkin mean whin some 1 B sayin some thing diffrint?
how cum U so sure he fulla shit?
gonna burn witches next?
even if da man B nuts don he git no compasshin frum yo SPIRICHILL asses or whutnot ?
who U 2 say wass reel? u god?
I contacted him. I'm going to try to lead him out of it.
If any of the rest of you experience this, let me know.
Dee, how you doin'? You didn't have to defriend me
so quickly. I just wanted to know what else you were
willing to talk about. When one awakens, the false
side needs to be taken care of. It's really just the limiting
side. God puts that limit there for a purpose. Gateways.
He doesn't want the inhuman making it into his palace.
He doesn't have time for that. I do, though.
To answer your questions... should I? Can you handle it?
It isn't easy to comprehend. I have whole heaps problems
holding onto all the ideas myself.
Geert, I saw something you posted a while ago
that I am trying to remember... it might have some bearing on this.
I'll search your handle to see if I can find it.
BTW, I was impressed.
DVD, what do you find so funny?
If mankind has a built up residue of thousands of years of hate,
someone is going to have to take care of it. It's quit a scrubbing job.
It's like being a dishwasher for ages.
I'll start explaining all this soon in the kabbalah tribe,
sephirah by sephirah. Bit by bit. With some added
topical info from the Bible and such works. More the
history behind the Bible. I'm gonna use anything I haveta.